BROWNS THREAD 2009 4 GAME WIN STREAK! (1 Viewer)

[nxmehta]

Enough with picking up the Jets scrubs....I think they should make a run at Holt. 2yr deal. The guy can still catch the ball, and the Browns have no clear #1 or #2 receiver. I think Holt could ease the pain for Edwards.

For the right price, this would be a great move.Unfortunately I don't think Magnini is going to sign a name that we've actually heard of

 

[MAC_32]

They have Cushing wayyy down the list and isn't Cushing a tweener project??? ILB???? Does Mangini really need that? I've also heard the steroid rumors...

He's not really a tweener, he can play a multitude of positions. Think, Adalius Thomas. My only concerns with him revolve around health and roids, if either of those are truly issues (I'm not privy to that sort of information) than by all means we should pass on him (I'd be on board with Raji) but if neither are really issues I think Cush is going to be a great player, wherever he ends up.

Really? Isn't Thomas like 30lbs heavier AND Faster?NFLdraftscout has their combine #'s at:

AT: 270 lbs 4.56 40 yd draftscout

BC: 243 lbs 4.68 40 yd Draftscout

That site also has the steroid notes that he addressed at the combine. Also has durability issues.

Wasn't Thomas a Project that took years to be what he is?

The reason I like Raji so much is because, at a pick that high you pretty much go for the sure thing and time will tell but, IMO he's much more of a sure thing.. Besides the fact that 1) Rogers is already acting up, 2) the scheme is like 90% dependent on a NT 3) NT's are getting tons of money these days and 4) Raji and Rogers together could be a site to see with Raji at DE in the 3/4 - in this scheme, if you build a wall like that up front, then there's a lot of room for scheming behind them.

I guess Cushing would be an ILB in the 3-4 - Would he have speed for OLB or beef for 3/4 DE.

I was referring to the role Cushing could play, not his build. I think he can play inside or outside in any scheme and be effective doing it too.

 

[mr fancypants]

Looks like Kevin Shafer has now been given the proverbial boot

http://cle.scout.com/2/846706.html

 

[Bobcat10]

Looks like Kevin Shafer has now been given the proverbial boot

http://cle.scout.com/2/846706.html

JJ too. Sigh...

 

[mr fancypants]

The makeover continues as the brownies now have Eric Barton and Floyd Womack Signed.

http://cle.scout.com/2/847085.html

 

[MAC_32]

The makeover continues as the brownies now have Eric Barton and Floyd Womack Signed.

http://cle.scout.com/2/847085.html

Holy crap, they actually did something I like. I mean, nothing special, but at least we're getting the 30th best players on other team's rosters instead of the 50th.

 

[mr fancypants]

The makeover continues as the brownies now have Eric Barton and Floyd Womack Signed.

http://cle.scout.com/2/847085.html

Holy crap, they actually did something I like. I mean, nothing special, but at least we're getting the 30th best players on other team's rosters instead of the 50th.

Actually I like the way the brownies have went about this offseason (sans JJ). Prior to the current regime, Savage was overly active and signing big time FA's on the 1st day and look where it's gotten them. Now it looks like they are taking more of a methodical approach and looking for depth and role players. I'm hoping it's kind of like when Billichek 1st took over the Pats and did the same thing his first year.

 

[MAC_32]

The makeover continues as the brownies now have Eric Barton and Floyd Womack Signed.

http://cle.scout.com/2/847085.html

Holy crap, they actually did something I like. I mean, nothing special, but at least we're getting the 30th best players on other team's rosters instead of the 50th.

Actually I like the way the brownies have went about this offseason (sans JJ). Prior to the current regime, Savage was overly active and signing big time FA's on the 1st day and look where it's gotten them. Now it looks like they are taking more of a methodical approach and looking for depth and role players. I'm hoping it's kind of like when Billichek 1st took over the Pats and did the same thing his first year.

I agree with you, The Tuna did something similar with Miami last year. My problem being that there have been several bargains available at positions of need that we haven't even bothered calling.

 

[Bobcat10]

More beef added to the line.

Cleveland Browns sign lineman John St. Clairby Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Tuesday March 17, 2009, 5:44 PMCLEVELAND -- The Browns have confirmed the signing of Bears free agent offensive lineman John St. Clair.Brad Briggs of the Chicago Sun-Times reported the Browns gave St. Clair a three-year contract worth $9 million.St. Clair, who visited the Browns on Monday, was offered about one-half that total value in a three-year deal from the Bears.St. Clair made 16 starts at left tackle for the Bears last year and also has started at right tackle and guard in his nine-year career with Chicago, the Dolphins and Rams. The Browns have not confirmed the signing. Messages to Ben Dogra, St. Clair's agent, were not immediately returned.

 

[MAC_32]

St Clair?

Oof.

 

[amnesiac]

why anyone would sign a Bears olineman is a bit puzzling.

i am encouraged by their focus on strengthening the depth on the lines though.

BGP must also be happy so far.

 

[Bobcat10]

why anyone would sign a Bears olineman is a bit puzzling. i am encouraged by their focus on strengthening the depth on the lines though.

The Bears had him starting 16 games at LT and that probably isn't his ideal position, maybe just the best the Bears could come up with. We obviously don't need a LT, so I see this as a potentially positive move. I mean, we needed to add some players just because of who we've lost/cut. Maybe a move to RT/RG will take part of the load off in this case.

BGP must also be happy so far.

 

[nxmehta]

why anyone would sign a Bears olineman is a bit puzzling. i am encouraged by their focus on strengthening the depth on the lines though.BGP must also be happy so far.

BGP won't be happy until we draft OL/DL with EVERY SINGLE PICK for the next 10 years

 

[MAC_32]

Hooray! We signed Corey Ivy! Hooray! All of our problems are solved! Hooray!

 

[Tecumseh]

IF Stallworth was drunk, and IF he is convicted, and IF the Browns forgive and forget like the Rams did with Little, I will absolutely renounce my loyalty to this team. No shtick.

 

[nxmehta]

IF Stallworth was drunk, and IF he is convicted, and IF the Browns forgive and forget like the Rams did with Little, I will absolutely renounce my loyalty to this team. No shtick.

I don't think it's gonna happen- Stallworth is gone for good. He's going to jail for what he's done. And he's seen his last dollar from the Cleveland Browns. If Mangini stands for anything, it's removing people like this from the team.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

A lil heads-up.

We just had a private workout with Orackpo on the 18th, a week before his official pro day on the 25th with the rest of the league.

From this article it appears we showed a keen interest in Brian at the Combine.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11515045

With Texas' upcoming pro day March 25, Brian Orakpo is focused on proving his versatility. He's one of several college defensive ends in this draft class being examined closely by NFL teams employing 3-4 defenses for a potential move to rush outside linebacker.

... He looks forward to working out for teams who question if he has the athleticism to handle this transition, mainly because he believes he has already proven he can play linebacker.

"It's like what I told all of the teams (at the combine) that talked to me about playing linebacker," he said. "I'm not the guy that can potentially play the position, I'm the guy that can play the position -- and I have the film to prove it."

The film Orakpo refers to stems from his play as an outside linebacker each of the past two seasons. At times the Longhorns operated out of a 3-4 defense, putting Orakpo on the edge in a stand-up position. The Cleveland Browns, Green Bay Packers and San Francisco 49ers -- three teams using the 3-4 defense with top 10 selections in April -- all spoke to him about in Indianapolis.

... Orakpo had to hope his interviews went well, because a pulled hamstring limited him to only some of the defensive-line drills and kept him from participating in the linebacker drills.

After measuring in at 6-3 and 263 pounds, Orakpo finished among the top-seven defensive linemen tested in the 40-yard dash (4.70 seconds), vertical jump (39.5 inches) and bench press (31 reps at 225 pounds). He was engaging and personable in the interview with media and, according to scouts, was the same in meetings with league personnel. "The combine was a great experience for me," Orakpo said. "I performed about as I expected. I would have liked to have finished the workout, but by working out there, I gave them (scouts) an idea of what I can do. I'll do anything else they'd like for me to do March 25."

... With the interviews scheduled back-to-back and many of the same questions being asked team after team, Orakpo struggled to come up with some of the specifics of the meetings.

"Cleveland seemed pretty interested, though that is just from my perspective," Orakpo said. "Coach (Eric) Mangini and the rest of the staff seemed very interested in what I bring to the table. They made a comment after I was talking about the scheme responsibilities that I 'passed the test' and then they started asking me other, funnier, more random questions like about my favorite TV show (Family Guy) or the first musician on my iPod (Lil' Wayne) and stuff like that."

I haven't seen anything about the private workout but I would imagine from the above that we are very high on Orackpo for our first pick.

 

[Jedeye]

If Stallworth cannot return to the Browns, which seems more and more likely, would the Browns receive a compensatory pick in this years or next years draft?

Did Atlanta?

 

[mr fancypants]

And the housecleaning continues The OBR website is rumoring Braylon Edwards maybe on his way to the Giants

http://cle.scout.com/

 

[amnesiac]

if the Browns are going to run the Maryland I this year, i think they're going to need some more fullbacks.

 

[NYRAGE]

If Stallworth cannot return to the Browns, which seems more and more likely, would the Browns receive a compensatory pick in this years or next years draft?Did Atlanta?

Under the Rae Carruth precedent, the Browns should get awarded at least at third round pick. Murder gets a higher compensation (at least a first rounder) than just vehicular manslaughter under the influence.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

If Stallworth cannot return to the Browns, which seems more and more likely, would the Browns receive a compensatory pick in this years or next years draft?Did Atlanta?

Under the Rae Carruth precedent, the Browns should get awarded at least at third round pick. Murder gets a higher compensation (at least a first rounder) than just vehicular manslaughter under the influence.

If it is based on his numbers from last year, then they should have to give up a pick if he is unable to return.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Let me first say that I am a life-long Browns fan - since the mid-60's.

This whole Mangini thing is a freakin' of the highest order. Talk about an organization so capable of ####in' up a wet dream. I am so bummed that I am considering quitting on them. Almost 50 years - done. F'em.

Not to go after Shanahan is pitiful. Or Gruden, or even Marty, but go after this toad and hire him. Yeah - that's right toad ...T-O-A-D.

I would never wish ill-will on this organization, but what the hell - they don't need anyone to hex them - they do it to themselves. I want to puke.

 

[Bobcat10]

And the housecleaning continues The OBR website is rumoring Braylon Edwards maybe on his way to the Giants

http://cle.scout.com/

What's inside the article?

 

[Peak]

And the housecleaning continues The OBR website is rumoring Braylon Edwards maybe on his way to the Giants

http://cle.scout.com/

What's inside the article?

My guess is it is the same rumor that was tossed out there a month ago. Braylor for Kiwi and a pick. I've also heard Braylon for a WR Steve Smith of NYG. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a trade between these two teams, although I would be much more in favor of a trade that would net us another DLineman than a WR for WR trade. Of course, that would necessitate them taking Crabtree with the first pick given the team's current WR status.

 

[mr fancypants]

And the housecleaning continues The OBR website is rumoring Braylon Edwards maybe on his way to the Giants

http://cle.scout.com/

What's inside the article?

My guess is it is the same rumor that was tossed out there a month ago. Braylor for Kiwi and a pick. I've also heard Braylon for a WR Steve Smith of NYG. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a trade between these two teams, although I would be much more in favor of a trade that would net us another DLineman than a WR for WR trade. Of course, that would necessitate them taking Crabtree with the first pick given the team's current WR status.

Sorry guys, but I'm not a paid subscriber either. I did find this article though that refers to the OBR link coming from a NY perspective.http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/03...ts_discuss.html

 

[NJDawgPound]

Here's the article by Mary Kay: (2nd and a 5th, yuck!)

Report: Giants and Cleveland Browns discuss trade for Edwards by By Mary Kay Cabot Monday March 23, 2009, 9:14 AMThe New York Giants have inquired about trading for Browns receiver Braylon Edwards, Ken Palmer of The Giant Insider reported.The report debunks rumors that the Browns had talked about trading Edwards for Giants defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka. Instead, the Giants reportedly offered Cleveland the two draft picks they received from the Saints last year in exchange for tight end Jeremy Shockey: a second and fifth.The Browns asked for receiver Steve Smith instead and were told no. The Giants then offered either of two other receivers, Domenik Hixon of the University of Akron and Mario Manningham, a native of Warren, Oh. The Browns declined both.Talks ended after that, but could heat up around draft time, the report speculated.The Giants might need a marquis receiver if Plaxico Burress goes to jail, and coach Tom Coughlin told the Newark Star-Ledger at the NFL Combine last month, "it'd be great to have a player, if it's not Plaxico, but with Plaxico's magnitude, on our football team."Edwards had one of his best games of the season last year against the Giants, catching five passes for 154 yards and a touchdown. But he led the NFL with at least 16 drops last season -- some Browns insiders estimated it was more like 22 -- and finished with 55 catches for 873 yards and three touchdowns.Edwards' contract is also up after the this season, and the Browns might not want to pay him the $8-$10 million a year he'll undoubtedly be seeking.Edwards has also been vocal about not being liked here because he's from Michigan, and might want a change of scenery. You can bet the bright lights and big city would be attractive to him.Hixon, who burned the Browns for three TDs in preseason last year, finished last season with 43 catches for 596 yards and two TDs despite starting just seven games. Manningham, whom the Giants coaches feel has tremendous potential, didn't play much his first season.Smith, the Giants' second-round pick in 2007 out of USC, started only four games, but caught a team-high 57 passes for 574 yards and one TD.The talks, if true, show that no one on the Browns' roster is untouchable.

 

[Bobcat10]

So the Giants essentially think they can trade Shockey for Braylon? I'd tell them to call back when ready to talk seriously.

 

[Kiddnets]

Let me first say that I am a life-long Browns fan - since the mid-60's. This whole Mangini thing is a freakin' of the highest order. Talk about an organization so capable of ####in' up a wet dream. I am so bummed that I am considering quitting on them. Almost 50 years - done. F'em. Not to go after Shanahan is pitiful. Or Gruden, or even Marty, but go after this toad and hire him. Yeah - that's right toad ...T-O-A-D. I would never wish ill-will on this organization, but what the hell - they don't need anyone to hex them - they do it to themselves. I want to puke.

Sorry man - wish I could tell you its going to get better but as a Jet fan who watched Mangini closely for 3 years - just wait until the games start. Hope you are not looking for in game adjustments! This guy getting a new job with more power after overseeing an epic collapse is mind boggling.

 

[Yenrub]

So the Giants essentially think they can trade Shockey for Braylon? I'd tell them to call back when ready to talk seriously.

What do you think would be a fair offer for Edwards?

 

[Kendall]

So the Giants essentially think they can trade Shockey for Braylon? I'd tell them to call back when ready to talk seriously.

What do you think would be a fair offer for Edwards?

Braylon didn't exactly set the league on fire last year.

 

[amnesiac]

i really don't care if they trade Braylon, but who in the world is going to catch the football?

i for one am not interested in Crabtree as the Browns #1 WR next year.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Let me first say that I am a life-long Browns fan - since the mid-60's. This whole Mangini thing is a freakin' of the highest order. Talk about an organization so capable of ####in' up a wet dream. I am so bummed that I am considering quitting on them. Almost 50 years - done. F'em. Not to go after Shanahan is pitiful. Or Gruden, or even Marty, but go after this toad and hire him. Yeah - that's right toad ...T-O-A-D. I would never wish ill-will on this organization, but what the hell - they don't need anyone to hex them - they do it to themselves. I want to puke.

Sorry man - wish I could tell you its going to get better but as a Jet fan who watched Mangini closely for 3 years - just wait until the games start. Hope you are not looking for in game adjustments! This guy getting a new job with more power after overseeing an epic collapse is mind boggling.

Mangini did have 2 winning seasons out of 3. Belichick had 1 out of 5 in Cleveland and the fans couldn't stand him either. Now he is considered the best coach around and one of the all time best.

 

[nxmehta]

i really don't care if they trade Braylon, but who in the world is going to catch the football?i for one am not interested in Crabtree as the Browns #1 WR next year.

Seriously. I understand that we're rebuilding, that Braylon's contract ends after this year (or next?) and he will want nothing to do with the Browns, etc etc. But has anyone looked at our roster lately? We have like 4 WRs rostered... Edwards, Steptoe, Cribbs and Hubbard. Trading Edwards and not getting a receiver in return... sounds kind of nuts?So our #1 WR with either be a rookie, a scrub, or an aging vet (if we sign someone like Holt or Harrison)?We can trade away all the players we like, but at some point, um, we need some replacements? I don't know if it's a good strategy to trade away all your best skill players at the same time...

 

[amnesiac]

i really don't care if they trade Braylon, but who in the world is going to catch the football?i for one am not interested in Crabtree as the Browns #1 WR next year.

Seriously. I understand that we're rebuilding, that Braylon's contract ends after this year (or next?) and he will want nothing to do with the Browns, etc etc. But has anyone looked at our roster lately? We have like 4 WRs rostered... Edwards, Steptoe, Cribbs and Hubbard. Trading Edwards and not getting a receiver in return... sounds kind of nuts?So our #1 WR with either be a rookie, a scrub, or an aging vet (if we sign someone like Holt or Harrison)?We can trade away all the players we like, but at some point, um, we need some replacements? I don't know if it's a good strategy to trade away all your best skill players at the same time... :(

after not signing JJ, (which is somewhat understandable, depending on his knee), they have to have some sort of plan for WR, don't they?i'm just not a big fan of drafting WR high in the draft, paying big money and waiting 2-3 years for them to learn how to play.but i'm not sure what else they can really do at this point either? i was looking at the WR FA list, and it's not pretty. Matt Jones, Joey Porter, Torry Holt, DJ Hackett...

 

[Bobcat10]

i really don't care if they trade Braylon, but who in the world is going to catch the football?i for one am not interested in Crabtree as the Browns #1 WR next year.

Seriously. I understand that we're rebuilding, that Braylon's contract ends after this year (or next?) and he will want nothing to do with the Browns, etc etc. But has anyone looked at our roster lately? We have like 4 WRs rostered... Edwards, Steptoe, Cribbs and Hubbard. Trading Edwards and not getting a receiver in return... sounds kind of nuts?So our #1 WR with either be a rookie, a scrub, or an aging vet (if we sign someone like Holt or Harrison)?We can trade away all the players we like, but at some point, um, we need some replacements? I don't know if it's a good strategy to trade away all your best skill players at the same time...

after not signing JJ, (which is somewhat understandable, depending on his knee), they have to have some sort of plan for WR, don't they?i'm just not a big fan of drafting WR high in the draft, paying big money and waiting 2-3 years for them to learn how to play.but i'm not sure what else they can really do at this point either? i was looking at the WR FA list, and it's not pretty. Matt Jones, Joey Porter, Torry Holt, DJ Hackett...

To name a few more:Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Drew Carter, Darrell Jackson, D.J. Hackett, Marty Booker, Keary Colbert, Lance Moore (restricted), David Patten, Amani Toomer, Drew Bennett, Ike Hilliard, Jerry Porter, Tab Perry, Reggie Williams and Ashley Lelie.

 

[Bobcat10]

So the Giants essentially think they can trade Shockey for Braylon? I'd tell them to call back when ready to talk seriously.

What do you think would be a fair offer for Edwards?

Braylon didn't exactly set the league on fire last year.

I agree 100%, but what did Shockey, a TE, do before they traded him? I just think the Browns have the edge in bargaining right now. As we move closer to the draft, it evens up more IF the Browns are truely interested in dealing Braylon with what is rostered now (not a heck of alot). If you want to compare Edwards/Shockey/Winslow...my opinion would be that Edwards has the most value and would warrant the most in return. I also don't think a 1st rounder is necessary...#45 is a great starting point.

 

[Yenrub]

So the Giants essentially think they can trade Shockey for Braylon? I'd tell them to call back when ready to talk seriously.

What do you think would be a fair offer for Edwards?

Braylon didn't exactly set the league on fire last year.

I agree 100%, but what did Shockey, a TE, do before they traded him? I just think the Browns have the edge in bargaining right now. As we move closer to the draft, it evens up more IF the Browns are truely interested in dealing Braylon with what is rostered now (not a heck of alot). If you want to compare Edwards/Shockey/Winslow...my opinion would be that Edwards has the most value and would warrant the most in return. I also don't think a 1st rounder is necessary...#45 is a great starting point.

Those two statements don't seem to go togetherThe 2nd round pick the Giants offered is #45 (the pick they got from the Saints) plus they offered the 5th rounder (not sure of the number)

 

[Yenrub]

So the Giants essentially think they can trade Shockey for Braylon? I'd tell them to call back when ready to talk seriously.

What do you think would be a fair offer for Edwards?

Braylon didn't exactly set the league on fire last year.

I agree 100%, but what did Shockey, a TE, do before they traded him?

Not that it matters but here are the statsShockey 2007 – 57 receptions, 619 yards 3 TDEdwards 2008 – 55 receptions, 873 yards 3 TD

 

[NJDawgPound]

So the Giants essentially think they can trade Shockey for Braylon? I'd tell them to call back when ready to talk seriously.

What do you think would be a fair offer for Edwards?

Braylon didn't exactly set the league on fire last year.

I agree 100%, but what did Shockey, a TE, do before they traded him? I just think the Browns have the edge in bargaining right now. As we move closer to the draft, it evens up more IF the Browns are truely interested in dealing Braylon with what is rostered now (not a heck of alot). If you want to compare Edwards/Shockey/Winslow...my opinion would be that Edwards has the most value and would warrant the most in return. I also don't think a 1st rounder is necessary...#45 is a great starting point.

Those two statements don't seem to go togetherThe 2nd round pick the Giants offered is #45 (the pick they got from the Saints) plus they offered the 5th rounder (not sure of the number)

The Giants are in need with Plaxico's legal uncertainties, and the Browns do not have to trade Edwards. As a matter of fact, right now he's Brady Quinn's (or Anderson's if they go that route) only playmaker. So the Browns would be dealing from a position of strength. Considering that Braylon was a #3 overall and has a monster season under his belt, I would think that Smith, a second rounder himself, and the #45 should be the least the Browns accept, even with Braylon's off year last year.

 

[Kiddnets]

Let me first say that I am a life-long Browns fan - since the mid-60's. This whole Mangini thing is a freakin' of the highest order. Talk about an organization so capable of ####in' up a wet dream. I am so bummed that I am considering quitting on them. Almost 50 years - done. F'em. Not to go after Shanahan is pitiful. Or Gruden, or even Marty, but go after this toad and hire him. Yeah - that's right toad ...T-O-A-D. I would never wish ill-will on this organization, but what the hell - they don't need anyone to hex them - they do it to themselves. I want to puke.

Sorry man - wish I could tell you its going to get better but as a Jet fan who watched Mangini closely for 3 years - just wait until the games start. Hope you are not looking for in game adjustments! This guy getting a new job with more power after overseeing an epic collapse is mind boggling.

Mangini did have 2 winning seasons out of 3. Belichick had 1 out of 5 in Cleveland and the fans couldn't stand him either. Now he is considered the best coach around and one of the all time best.

I hope you're right but at least Bellijerk had a pedigree and was considered a defensive genius and top coordinator for years - Manigni does not have that kind of background. He also wasnt doing to well until Brady came along. I actually like cleveland - so hope if works out - winning seasons don't come around the JEts too often and the fans were thrilled that he got canned. Players didn't shed any tears either. Not a good sign IMO but maybe he is the next Belli.

 

[nxmehta]

I just think the Browns have the edge in bargaining right now. As we move closer to the draft, it evens up more IF the Browns are truely interested in dealing Braylon with what is rostered now (not a heck of alot). If you want to compare Edwards/Shockey/Winslow...my opinion would be that Edwards has the most value and would warrant the most in return. I also don't think a 1st rounder is necessary...#45 is a great starting point.

Do you really believe this? Sometimes I think people think that draft picks are magic or something. You believe that Braylon Edwards' value is close to the value of the 45th best player from the NCAA in 2009?Let's assume that the Browns take a WR with the 45th pick. And let's assume for simplicity that reaching the Pro Bowl is a measure of WR success. In the last 10 years of the NFL draft, by my count only 11 WRs selected from rounds 2-7 have made the Pro Bowl. That's around 1 every year. I don't think that we have very good odds of picking a standout WR with pick #45.

Braylon isn't great, I'll be the first to admit that, but he's (with high probability) more valuable than what we can get in return. We can collect all the 2nd and 3rd round picks we want, but the harsh reality is that many if not most of these picks don't pan out. I don't know if it's worth throwing away our arguably most skilled offensive player, despite his problems.

 

[nxmehta]

Although, it looks like we picked up David PatteRn, so maybe all my worrying about WRs is moot.

 

[MAC_32]

Well, it seems like we have no intentions on re-upping Braylon at the end of the season, or he has no intentions on re-signing, or both. Probably both.

What would you rather have? Considering we'd get a comp pick for Braylon in two years I'll ignore the 5th rounder as I see that exchange as a wash. Four years of a 2nd round pick + a player (lets say Steve Smith even though the Giants said no)? or one year of Braylon on a team that probably won't compete for the division?

Call me crazy, but I think I'd lean toward the latter.

 

[Fallerjw]

i really don't care if they trade Braylon, but who in the world is going to catch the football?

i for one am not interested in Crabtree as the Browns #1 WR next year.

Seriously. I understand that we're rebuilding, that Braylon's contract ends after this year (or next?) and he will want nothing to do with the Browns, etc etc. But has anyone looked at our roster lately? We have like 4 WRs rostered... Edwards, Steptoe, Cribbs and Hubbard. Trading Edwards and not getting a receiver in return... sounds kind of nuts?So our #1 WR with either be a rookie, a scrub, or an aging vet (if we sign someone like Holt or Harrison)?

We can trade away all the players we like, but at some point, um, we need some replacements? I don't know if it's a good strategy to trade away all your best skill players at the same time...

after not signing JJ, (which is somewhat understandable, depending on his knee), they have to have some sort of plan for WR, don't they?i'm just not a big fan of drafting WR high in the draft, paying big money and waiting 2-3 years for them to learn how to play.

but i'm not sure what else they can really do at this point either? i was looking at the WR FA list, and it's not pretty. Matt Jones, Joey Porter, Torry Holt, DJ Hackett...

To name a few more:Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison, Drew Carter, Darrell Jackson, D.J. Hackett, Marty Booker, Keary Colbert, Lance Moore (restricted), David Patten, Amani Toomer, Drew Bennett, Ike Hilliard, Jerry Porter, Tab Perry, Reggie Williams and Ashley Lelie.

Guys I'd be willing to give a shot. We have got to do something, because last year was pathetic and now we are thinner at WR.

 

[Fallerjw]

Well, it seems like we have no intentions on re-upping Braylon at the end of the season, or he has no intentions on re-signing, or both. Probably both.What would you rather have? Considering we'd get a comp pick for Braylon in two years I'll ignore the 5th rounder as I see that exchange as a wash. Four years of a 2nd round pick + a player (lets say Steve Smith even though the Giants said no)? or one year of Braylon on a team that probably won't compete for the division?Call me crazy, but I think I'd lean toward the latter.

I actually might lean toward the former.....if Steve Smith is thrown in. He's a solid player. If we can get him and an early-ish 2nd rounder I'd consider it.

 

[Yenrub]

Ok so what is the deal with Edwards anyway?

I haven't paid too much attention to him but it looks like he only had one good year

2005-32-512-3 (rookie season)

2006-61-884-6

2007-80-1289-16

2008-55-873-3

Everyone says he had the drops in 2008, does the same apply to 2006?

 

[MAC_32]

Well, it seems like we have no intentions on re-upping Braylon at the end of the season, or he has no intentions on re-signing, or both. Probably both.What would you rather have? Considering we'd get a comp pick for Braylon in two years I'll ignore the 5th rounder as I see that exchange as a wash. Four years of a 2nd round pick + a player (lets say Steve Smith even though the Giants said no)? or one year of Braylon on a team that probably won't compete for the division?Call me crazy, but I think I'd lean toward the latter.

I actually might lean toward the former.....if Steve Smith is thrown in. He's a solid player. If we can get him and an early-ish 2nd rounder I'd consider it.

Oops, I meant to write former as well.

 

[MAC_32]

Ok so what is the deal with Edwards anyway?I haven't paid too much attention to him but it looks like he only had one good year2005-32-512-3 (rookie season)2006-61-884-62007-80-1289-162008-55-873-3Everyone says he had the drops in 2008, does the same apply to 2006?

In 2006 he returned sooner than expected from a torn ACL that shortened his 2005 and had Charlie Frye as his QB.As for the drops, he's had those his entire career, college included.He has all the talent and potential in the world, but he's a head case.

 

[travdogg]

Maybe I don't see enough of the Giants, but if I were the Browns I'd rather get Hixon than Smith. If they really want to deal Braylon(big if) and that's what is holding it up then I just have to question their scouting ability.

Also someone mentioned how the Giants would be essentially trading Shockey for Braylon. I don't see how that's relevant. Its not the Giants fault New Orleans made a bad deal and its not as though Cleveland has any control over how the Giants got that pick.

If they really don't think Braylon will re-sign after this year than I'd take Hixon, a 2nd and a 5th and then either take Crabtree or take a flyer on Matt Jones or someone of that ilk.

Its not as though Braylon will help them much this year and if he's as good as gone next year why let him go for nothing then when they could get something valuable now.

As of now the Browns seem like the worst team in the AFC North and seem to be rebuilding(not that they were ever really built in the first place) so why not make a deal?