***Buffalo at Kansas City*** (-1.5) 54u Mr Allen, Mr Mahomes, gentlemen...START...YOUR...ENGINES!!! (1 Viewer)

[humpback]

Right, a squib kick has a lot of unpredictability which can be good. As I said this should have been reversed in practice multiple times. If there were concerns about placement then they should have mortar kicked. The objective is to run clock.

In a vacuum it is easy to say "they should have stopped them" but the Bills were not stopping Mahomes. The Chiefs moved down the field very easily prior to the Bills last TD. There was nothing to suggest that was going to change. In fact, as soon as the Bills kicked the ball deep I was convince the game was going to OT.

I said that it can be good, but I don't think so in this instance. There's no benefit to having it bounce around, the clock doesn't start until someone touches it. Squibbing it there adds a lot more bad that can happen (gets covered by an up man, goes out of bounds, etc.) than any benefit it gives them.

Oh come on. Prior to the 64 yd TD from Tyreek the Chiefs gained 17 yards on their previous 7 plays.

People are getting lost in the term squib kick. The intent isn't a short kick; rather the intent is to run clock. The ball needed to be kicked to force a return. Whether it was a squib kick (down to teh 20) or mortar kick made little difference as a long as it forced the Chiefs to return it. That would have run a minimum of 6 seconds off the clock. 

Well the term has a meaning. I already said I would have tried to have a "normal" kickoff that came down inside their 10, but if they would have busted off a long return and kicked a FG people would have been saying that was the wrong choice too. Classic Monday Morning QBing.

Bottom line, they should not have played such soft defense and allowed them to gain 44 yards in 10 seconds. It's not like they were super tough throws or catches either, just simple pitch and catch. Pathetic.

 

[ChiefD]

Josh Allen literally played the best 2 game stretch of any QB in NFL history. Its incredible that he's going home. 

Andy Reid beat Sean McDermott. It starts there, and it arguably ends there. 

Man, I don't know about this at all. I mean, what else do you want Buffalo to do. They went ahead with 13 seconds to play. 

13 seconds!!!! I mean, it's almost statisically impossible to not win that game. Buffalo did everything right there. And still lost on literally a one in a million drive. 

That was just pure magic, withcraft, luck....whatever you want to call it. But I don't blame McDermott one bit. Reid didn't outcoach him. He just had the ball last. 

 

[ChiefD]

Heck, to take it one step further, Andy Reid made THE worst call of the game with that stupid Blake Bell at QB thing. This is two games in a row they had a guy who really hadn't been in that position try to make a gimmick play and fail.

The Chiefs bury the Bills right then and there if they score a TD. Alas, they call that dumb call and kick the FG to set up that insane last few minutes.

Mahomes bailed Reid out in this game. 

 

[travdogg]

Man, I don't know about this at all. I mean, what else do you want Buffalo to do. They went ahead with 13 seconds to play. 

13 seconds!!!! I mean, it's almost statisically impossible to not win that game. Buffalo did everything right there. And still lost on literally a one in a million drive. 

That was just pure magic, withcraft, luck....whatever you want to call it. But I don't blame McDermott one bit. Reid didn't outcoach him. He just had the ball last. 

I guess I'm referring to the terrible decisions not A) kick it deep, instead of squib, and B) playing way off coverage on the 1st down play, giving up 20 yards instantly. It took great execution by Mahomes and co. no doubt, but it should not have even been possible. I agree the Bell play was kinda dumb, as was the flip to CEH, especially as both plays typically go to Kelce. 

Same way TB shouldn't have blown that Rams game at the end, no reason to all out blitz in that scenario, with a kicker who wasn't making anything over 50 yards. Literally gave up the only thing they couldn't.

These last 2 weeks really should have soured teams on potentially hiring Frazier, Bowles, Moore, Hackett, and maybe Leftwich in my opinion. 

 

[need2know]

Best game ever 

 

[Wildcat]

Note to future teams playing KC, if you hear Mahomes yell "do it Kels!" pre-snap, maybe try covering Kelce:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/do-it-kels-patrick-mahomes-audible-preceded-pivotal-pass-to-travis-kelce-on-game-tying-drive-vs-bills/

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Right, a squib kick has a lot of unpredictability which can be good. As I said this should have been reversed in practice multiple times. If there were concerns about placement then they should have mortar kicked. The objective is to run clock.

In a vacuum it is easy to say "they should have stopped them" but the Bills were not stopping Mahomes. The Chiefs moved down the field very easily prior to the Bills last TD. There was nothing to suggest that was going to change. In fact, as soon as the Bills kicked the ball deep I was convince the game was going to OT.

I don't really know how you can honestly say this....this thing was freaking OVER......13 seconds....c'mon man....you may be the only person in the world that was "convinced"....sorry but gotta call you out on that... 

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Best game ever 

How about a Mt Rushmore, that way I can enter the Epic in Miami as a strong challenger to this title? 

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I don't really know how you can honestly say this....this thing was freaking OVER......13 seconds....c'mon man....you may be the only person in the world that was "convinced"....sorry but gotta call you out on that... 

If you thought it was over then you weren’t watching closely? And clearly you were wrong. Chiefs had 3 TOs, the Bills were playing loose because Tyreek just scorched them, and Mahomes was red-hot. Given the circumstances there was plenty of time to get a FG. 

 

[renesauz]

The OT rules still bother me when one team is not allowed to touch the ball.

52%...that's how often the team winning the coin toss wins FIFTY TWO PERCENT

Statistics prove the current system is fair and balanced

 

[Ksquared]

Check the playoff record...it was announced as 90% wins by the team winning the flip.  I have not verified this, but if true basically makes the flip of the coin decide the winner.

 

[Ksquared]

Check the % during the playoffs...it was announced as 90% wins by the team winning the flip.  I have not verified this, but if true basically makes the flip of the coin decide the winner.

 

[Da Guru]

If you thought it was over then you weren’t watching closely? And clearly you were wrong. Chiefs had 3 TOs, the Bills were playing loose because Tyreek just scorched them, and Mahomes was red-hot. Given the circumstances there was plenty of time to get a FG. 

On ESPN Monday they said the refs should have called taunting on Hill on his TD. 

Which would have been a spot foul at the 20 and then 15 yards back to the 35.   KC would have still scored at least a FG but the dynamics with the clock would have changed.

I hate the taunting rule but it is a rule that is called and they let that one go.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

On ESPN Monday they said the refs should have called taunting on Hill on his TD. 

Which would have been a spot foul at the 20 and then 15 yards back to the 35.   KC would have still scored at least a FG but the dynamics with the clock would have changed.

I hate the taunting rule but it is a rule that is called and they let that one go.

are you allowed to give the peace sign to your own teammate during a play..?...there was a blocker there as well....by calling it taunting, you are assuming his intent and assuming he was giving it to the other team....when we start asking officials to officiate intent, we start getting into gray areas....this is different then standing over another player or pointing a finger directly in their face up close...or what the dude did when taking steps to the sideline and taunting the whole sideline....maybe Hill was telling his teammate "peace out bruh, I got this".....which I think is what he is just saying in generally to "everybody", every time he does it....I know he has been flagged before and there was an "emphasis" placed on taunting.....but I don't think what Hill did is what they are really trying to get out of the game......I think they are looking at the more "aggressive" taunting when looking to implement...thats just my two cents, and yes I am a KC fan.....but if Stephan Diggs did that, I would feel the same way....

 

[Da Guru]

are you allowed to give the peace sign to your own teammate during a play..?...there was a blocker there as well....by calling it taunting, you are assuming his intent and assuming he was giving it to the other team....when we start asking officials to officiate intent, we start getting into gray areas....this is different then standing over another player or pointing a finger directly in their face up close...or what the dude did when taking steps to the sideline and taunting the whole sideline....maybe Hill was telling his teammate "peace out bruh, I got this".....which I think is what he is just saying in generally to "everybody", every time he does it....I know he has been flagged before and there was an "emphasis" placed on taunting.....but I don't think what Hill did is what they are really trying to get out of the game......I think they are looking at the more "aggressive" taunting when looking to implement...thats just my two cents, and yes I am a KC fan.....but if Stephan Diggs did that, I would feel the same way....

Here is the article

Officials miss taunting call on Hill.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

this has been Hill's signature celebration thing.....peace out, I'm gone....according to the rule book, the rule is "sing baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams.".....if Hill giving the "peace out" I'm outta here sign creates ill will, I guess that is in the eye of those who feel victimized by it....if a guy looks back at you and starts high stepping (which we see all the time)....is that creating ill will...again, I just feel this is a little different than standing over a guy after a big hit, getting in somebody's face, or posturing and taunting an entire sideline....etc.....but thats just my opinion.....I guess I can see how others think this is just as bad....I just don't.....and thats the problem sometimes when you ask officials to start officiating "intent".....what you may think is taunting, I may not....I think for most of us we know taunting when we see it....to me the peace out sign is more of a signature celebration than taunting....but again just IMO and I can see how others feel differently..

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I wish this game had turned out differently, but I don't want any taunting flags.  Don't want Hill to taunt you on his way to end zone?  Stop him.

 

[JohnnyU]

this has been Hill's signature celebration thing.....peace out, I'm gone....according to the rule book, the rule is "sing baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams.".....if Hill giving the "peace out" I'm outta here sign creates ill will, I guess that is in the eye of those who feel victimized by it....if a guy looks back and you and starts high stepping (which we see all the time)....is that creating ill will...again, I just feel this is a little different than standing over a guy after a big hit, getting in somebody's face, or posturing and taunting an entire sideline....etc.....but thats just my opinion.....I guess I can see how others think this is just as bad....I just don't.....and thats the problem sometimes when you ask officials to start officiating "intent".....what you may think is taunting, I may not....I think for most of us we know taunting when we see it....to me the peace out sign is more of a signature celebration than taunting....but again just IMO and I can see how others feel differently..

I don’t think ther should be a penalty for taunting.  These are grown men, so grow a pair.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don’t think ther should be a penalty for taunting.  These are grown men, so grow a pair.

I’m with you. This is the classic case of “if you don’t want to see the player celebrating, don’t let him score”

IMO “taunting” should be like standing over a player after a big hit, or r-rated gestures (middle finger, hand on crotch, the classic “suck it” motion, etc)

Penalizing players for celebrating is dumb. I’ve seen several this year that should not have been called penalties. I recall one where the player was looking at the other sideline from across the field & was flagged. Just looking in that direction That was preposterous. 

 

[ericttspikes]

this has been Hill's signature celebration thing.....peace out, I'm gone....according to the rule book, the rule is "sing baiting or taunting acts or words that may engender ill will between teams.".....if Hill giving the "peace out" I'm outta here sign creates ill will, I guess that is in the eye of those who feel victimized by it....if a guy looks back and you and starts high stepping (which we see all the time)....is that creating ill will...again, I just feel this is a little different than standing over a guy after a big hit, getting in somebody's face, or posturing and taunting an entire sideline....etc.....but thats just my opinion.....I guess I can see how others think this is just as bad....I just don't.....and thats the problem sometimes when you ask officials to start officiating "intent".....what you may think is taunting, I may not....I think for most of us we know taunting when we see it....to me the peace out sign is more of a signature celebration than taunting....but again just IMO and I can see how others feel differently..

If it was taunting, he was taunting Milano 5 yards before blowing by him. Seems like Milano had a chance to stop him after the peace sign and before scoring, and it would've been moot. Kind of hard to call taunting before the play is even complete IMO.

 

[crushedspirit]

I’m with you. This is the classic case of “if you don’t want to see the player celebrating, don’t let him score”

IMO “taunting” should be like standing over a player after a big hit, or r-rated gestures (middle finger, hand on crotch, the classic “suck it” motion, etc)

Penalizing players for celebrating is dumb. I’ve seen several this year that should not have been called penalties. I recall one where the player was looking at the other sideline from across the field & was flagged. Just looking in that direction That was preposterous. 

Steelers vs Bears, and it was a huge penalty since the Steelers were stopped on that 3rd down play with less than 4 min to go in a 3 point game.

Worst "taunting" penalty I witnessed all season, hands down. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Steelers vs Bears, and it was a huge penalty since the Steelers were stopped on that 3rd down play with less than 4 min to go in a 3 point game.

Worst "taunting" penalty I witnessed all season, hands down. 

lol.....thats what's so bad about this and the gray area I was talking about....I thought what that guy did was a slam dunk example of taunting and what the league wants to get rid of......he made a play....did a flying circle ninja kick....then hopped like three times towards the Steelers bench in full peacock mode in a very aggressive/demonstrative way.....I see that way different then the "peace out" sign.....lol

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Steelers vs Bears, and it was a huge penalty since the Steelers were stopped on that 3rd down play with less than 4 min to go in a 3 point game.

Worst "taunting" penalty I witnessed all season, hands down. 

Yep - hugely impactful penalty. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

lol.....thats what's so bad about this and the gray area I was talking about....I thought what that guy did was a slam dunk example of taunting and what the league wants to get rid of......he made a play....did a flying circle ninja kick....then hopped like three times towards the Steelers bench in full peacock mode in a very aggressive/demonstrative way.....I see that way different then the "peace out" sign.....lol

From across the field? 

Cmon.  If a DL can crawl on his hands & knees for 3 yards up the field after making a sack, there should be no issue with a “flying circle ninja kick” (whatever that is) or hopping however many times from across the field.

 

[The Duff Man]

I am glad taunting was not called as the rule is dumb.  The refs also did a good job staying out of the way all game and this would have a massive impact if called. 

But to argue that it wasn’t taunting is laughable. He literally had gloves made because he knew it was taunting and didn’t want to get called. And had already been fined once.  Again, no issue with him doing it but let’s call it what it is.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

From across the field? 

Cmon.  If a DL can crawl on his hands & knees for 3 yards up the field after making a sack, there should be no issue with a “flying circle ninja kick” (whatever that is) or hopping however many times from across the field.

no problem with them crawling towards the goal post...and zero problem with the ninja kick....(actually thought that was pretty freaking bad ###).....its the peacock mode, aggressive and demonstrative hops towards the Steeler bench....he was directing that display directly at them and displaying IMO the type of behavior that "engender ill will" between teams.....he went towards the Steelers bench and was in full tilt taunting mode 100% at the Steelers....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I am glad taunting was not called as the rule is dumb.  The refs also did a good job staying out of the way all game and this would have a massive impact if called. 

But to argue that it wasn’t taunting is laughable. He literally had gloves made because he knew it was taunting and didn’t want to get called. And had already been fined once.  Again, no issue with him doing it but let’s call it what it is.

yeah different ways of looking at it I guess....to some its taunting to others its a signature celebration sign basically saying bye bye, I got this, I'm scoring....kinda like looking back at you and high stepping in from 15 yards away....

 

[ChiefD]

Hill was taunting. Are you kidding me?  

I held my breath a good 10 seconds there waiting for the flag, as did 98% of the Chiefs population. As @The Duff Man said above - glad the refs let the players impact the game instead of them. 

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Hill was taunting. Are you kidding me?  

I held my breath a good 10 seconds there waiting for the flag, as did 98% of the Chiefs population. As @The Duff Man said above - glad the refs let the players impact the game instead of them. 

I guess I kind of have two boxes of "taunting":

Box #1: peace sign.....high stepping, etc....

Box #2: getting in someone's face, head butting, pointing directly at their facemask, standing over you and posturing after a big hit, etc.

IMO....box #1....nothing to see here play on......box #2 I could see wanting to get rid of some of these things

 

[ChiefD]

I guess I kind of have two boxes of "taunting":

Box #1: peace sign.....high stepping, etc....

Box #2: getting in someone's face, head butting, pointing directly at their facemask, standing over you and posturing after a big hit, etc.

IMO....box #1....nothing to see here play on......box #2 I could see wanting to get rid of some of these things

I agree - this is the way it should be.  

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I agree - this is the way it should be.  

for the record I too wanted to crawl through the TV and strangle Hill as soon as he did it....."I was like please god no....no flag please, please, please"....don't even put yourself in a position where that can cost you/your team....it was dumb

 

[Stinkin Ref]

If you thought it was over then you weren’t watching closely? And clearly you were wrong. Chiefs had 3 TOs, the Bills were playing loose because Tyreek just scorched them, and Mahomes was red-hot. Given the circumstances there was plenty of time to get a FG. 

the chiefs somehow entered some unknown world for 13 seconds filled with unicorns running on rainbows, pixy dust, and Diane Lane giving Stinkin Ref a call 20 years ago....that thing was over...13 seconds in the real football world really isn't/shouldn't be "plenty" of time to get a FG...I don't care how many time outs they had left...you said you were "convinced" it was going to OT as soon as they kicked it through the end zone...again, you have to be the only one....so I guess I'll give you props....wish I could have you on speed dial for some mid game bets moving forward...

 

[32 Counter Pass]

the chiefs somehow entered some unknown world for 13 seconds filled with unicorns running on rainbows, pixy dust, and Diane Lane giving Stinkin Ref a call 20 years ago....that thing was over...13 seconds in the real football world really isn't/shouldn't be "plenty" of time to get a FG...I don't care how many time outs they had left...you said you were "convinced" it was going to OT as soon as they kicked it through the end zone...again, you have to be the only one....so I guess I'll give you props....wish I could have you on speed dial for some mid game bets moving forward...

Na, I have been getting beaten like a borrowed mule betting this year. I was just watching hang the game. I knew immediately the Bills had mismanaged the game when they didn’t squib/mortar kick and the combination of Mahomes level of play + 3 TOs there was more than enough time for a FG attempt. I did text several friends about the Bills screw up as soon as they kicked it deep. But I see almost every coach make that mistake.
 

5 Billion dollar industry and these clowns cannot manage the end of games. 

 

[Wingnut]

I knew immediately the Bills had mismanaged the game when they didn’t squib/mortar kick and the combination of Mahomes level of play + 3 TOs there was more than enough time for a FG attempt. 

Same here. When BUF scored that last TD in regulation and the coaches were hugging and celebrating I said to the GF "Don't do that, Mahomes has 13 seconds and 3 time outs!! It ain't over!"

And then they kicked it deep and I said "welp. They just F'd up. Why would they DO that?!"

Saw it coming a mile away.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I guess I kind of have two boxes of "taunting":

Box #1: peace sign.....high stepping, etc....

Box #2: getting in someone's face, head butting, pointing directly at their facemask, standing over you and posturing after a big hit, etc.

IMO....box #1....nothing to see here play on......box #2 I could see wanting to get rid of some of these things

Yeah, if only Buffalo sports fans had experience with a stupid rule that that the refs had called all year but decided to swallow their whistles on said rule in the playoffs. 

Never happened before. 

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Na, I have been getting beaten like a borrowed mule betting this year. I was just watching hang the game. I knew immediately the Bills had mismanaged the game when they didn’t squib/mortar kick and the combination of Mahomes level of play + 3 TOs there was more than enough time for a FG attempt. I did text several friends about the Bills screw up as soon as they kicked it deep. But I see almost every coach make that mistake.
 

5 Billion dollar industry and these clowns cannot manage the end of games. 

Link

Very clear that everyone other than the K knew the right kick in that situation. Can't blame that on the coaches. 

Now the two defensive plays...

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Link

Very clear that everyone other than the K knew the right kick in that situation. Can't blame that on the coaches. 

Now the two defensive plays...

Yup, saw this on Twitter which shows McDermont understands game management, but I would still put it on him. How can something like this get lost in communication? This is on the HC.

 

[Godsbrother]

Yup, saw this on Twitter which shows McDermont understands game management, but I would still put it on him. How can something like this get lost in communication? This is on the HC.

I can't access the article but the job of the coaching staff is to communicate very clearly exactly what they want to do in that situation.  Every guy on the kicking team needs to know what they are supposed to do,  especially the kicker.  

If that didn't happen it is on the coaches.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I can't access the article but the job of the coaching staff is to communicate very clearly exactly what they want to do in that situation.  Every guy on the kicking team needs to know what they are supposed to do,  especially the kicker.  

If that didn't happen it is on the coaches.

I agree if the kicker didn't know. If he did know and then miss hit because he was too pumped up or something like that, then I think it's more on the kicker and not the coach. Sort of like when the coach tells the players to be sure to not score and just give themselves up at the end of a game and the player goes ahead and scores anyway. 

 

[32 Counter Pass]

I agree if the kicker didn't know. If he did know and then miss hit because he was too pumped up or something like that, then I think it's more on the kicker and not the coach. Sort of like when the coach tells the players to be sure to not score and just give themselves up at the end of a game and the player goes ahead and scores anyway. 

Still on the coach. Can you imagine Belichick excusing a player's executing due to the player being "too pumped up?"