Buffalo Safety-Damar Hamlin is awake and **Bills at Bengals** Game has been Canceled (3 Viewers)

[BassNBrew]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

 

[The Kerminator]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Just came in to post this. Continued prayers

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Just got chills. That's incredible news.

It’s a step. Long way to bring out of the woods, but I’ll let the medical folks opine on that.

 

[ChiefD]

For those wanting to search, Skip Bayless is a despicable human being.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Kudos to the Bengals organization, their coaches, and players. Class acts all around.

Bills organization, their coaches and players as well.
Not slamming Goodell or the NFL but it did seem like Bills and Bengals put their foot down and said no way are we continuing tonight
Nothing but respect for McDermott and have for a few years now

 

[BladeRunner]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Life still goes on. It must. I was at work when someone died and the business gave off to employees who wanted to and anyone who wanted to still work could. That was maybe 3 days and the weekend, so the following Monday everyone was back. The only people who really need off for longer are immediate family.

People grieve differently. Some people need off, some people bury themselves in their work. Maybe it's something else for others. In the end, life still goes on and business is still a business and needs to operate.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yes, true. HSG and others had me flustered with stuff that was just random speculation with no experience in anything medical.

I worked in healthcare for 12 years and was a AED & CPR certified for 11 of them.

Again, my apologies for misstating that. I had only ever been told that CPR was for no heartbeat. And again, I appreciate your taking the time to explain it further.

 

[BassNBrew]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

 

[renesauz]

when I said misinformation, I probably meant more "uninformed speculation"
"given oxygen" can mean many different things.
We apparently know now that he is intubated, I was more just responding to the armchair docs in the thread in real time

intubating is a normal event during any cardiac arrest (IE; giving CPR by qualified individuals with proper equipment available). It would be far more surprising if he WASN'T intubated

It is up to the airway doc whether to intubate on the field or in the tunnel or in the rig. pro and cons to each decision and depends on situation

also, for instance, a person is in v fib, AED delivers shock, and patient goes into perfusing rhythm, may not need to be intubated

true, but in most cases it's because the pt immediately wakes up moving and breathes....and that's not common. I could see them using a BVM until in the truck with 50k people watching provided they had good ventilation with it.

Kid is young, if CPR was good would like his chances....and we just don't know enough. Did CPR get started with 60 seconds? DId he regain a perfusing rythm after an AED shock (if in fact he was in vfib from the condition suggested above due to the hit itself).

 

[jobarules]

5 minute warmup period

just sick

I can't get over that

 

[belljr]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

Is that a bad thing of they did?

 

[scottybo]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Just got chills. That's incredible news.

It’s a step. Long way to bring out of the woods, but I’ll let the medical folks opine on that.

Absolutely. It's a good sign for now. Waiting game for more specific information. This sounds correct based on the situation that we know, but still could be misconstrued.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Does putting Hamlin to sleep with a breathing tube attached dwon his throat...
That sounds like a some type of coma but again I'm not a medical professional and would only be speculating
Happy to hear his vital signs are returning to a more normal state

Long way to go, agreed

 

[renesauz]

His vitals are back to normal and they have put him to sleep to put a breathing tube down his throat. They are currently running tests.

"Put him to sleep" suggests they were using sedatives (normal if you're intubated) this is good news because it means they NEEDED to use sedatives....which means he was (probably) moving or doing something else they needed to subdue

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

https://twitter.com/neurooruen/status/1610113373227581440?s=46&t=Pu-LbZaA9imuGK1QWIamSg

Hypoxic/Ischemic encephalopathy after cardiac arrest is a horrifying reality of my job. I'm cruched by Damar Hamlin's injury. Much will be unknown for the night or even the coming days. Prayers x 1000. No conclusions should be drawn at this time. #Bills #Hamlin

Who was that tweet from? It’s been del

https://twitter.com/neurooruen/status/1610117327005310976?s=46&t=Pu-LbZaA9imuGK1QWIamSg

Hey guys. I tweeted about Damar Hamlin. I am not looking to have a viral tweet over his injury. It feels really wrong to me. Prayers to him and his family and hope he makes a FULL recovery!

 

[scottybo]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Does putting Hamlin to sleep with a breathing tube attached dwon his throat...
That sounds like a some type of coma but again I'm not a medical professional and would only be speculating
Happy to hear his vital signs are returning to a more normal state

Long way to go, agreed

Likely to make sure his vitals continue to be stable for a certain period of time and/or prevent him from fighting them not knowing what's going on.

I mentioned in another post above that my Fire Chief went into cardiac arrest. He fought and tried to get out of the ambulance 5 or 6 times on the way to the hospital and was determined he was fine and nothing happened.

 

[BassNBrew]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

Is that a bad thing of they did?

No....just pointing out that things are more complicated than they appear to us. It may be required by contract that the NFL consults the NFLPA before postponing a game to a different date.

 

[Bozeman Bruiser]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Off topic and hope nobody takes this as an opportunity to derail the thread....

As much criticism as Twitter gets, when used properly, in this case to share good news, it has an amazing reach. Almost 10 million views in 20 minutes.

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[zamboni]

Ryan Clark is an impressive guy. And from what he went through himself, he knows of what he speaks.

 

[belljr]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

Is that a bad thing of they did?

No....just pointing out that things are more complicated than they appear to us. It may be required by contract that the NFL consults the NFLPA before postponing a game to a different date.

Yeah, as someone in a union shop, it wouldn't surprise me if contact was made with the union before final decisions were made

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

For those wanting to search, Skip Bayless is a despicable human being.

The blowback over the last hour from other players is... appropriate.

 

[growlers]

5 minute warmup period

just sick

I can't get over that

I would caution against the pitchforks on this issue
not all the officiating crew was likely aware in real time of how serious it was and the medical staff microphones microphones aren't heard by them
from my sideline experience one of the refs is supposed to signal a 5 minute "warning" after it appears the field is being cleared of the rig and medical staff after an extended medical delay, this struck me as totally reasonable under the normal flow of circumstances

 

[GoBirds]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

That caught my attention too, sad reminder it’s a big business that can’t just make the right humane call right away.

 

[Penguin]

And has been forever but it's getting may worse day by day

For those wanting to search, Skip Bayless is a despicable human being.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Life still goes on. It must. I was at work when someone died and the business gave off to employees who wanted to and anyone who wanted to still work could. That was maybe 3 days and the weekend, so the following Monday everyone was back. The only people who really need off for longer are immediate family.

People grieve differently. Some people need off, some people bury themselves in their work. Maybe it's something else for others. In the end, life still goes on and business is still a business and needs to operate.

Did you want them to report to the field at 8am?
Can they at least have a bowl of steel cut before they stretch?
I understand what you are saying and any other poster I might not lead in with sarcasm but I know where you are going
Don't say it, Don't say it
You would have supported the game finishing tonight, that's what you are hinting at I assume?

 

[renesauz]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Does putting Hamlin to sleep with a breathing tube attached dwon his throat...
That sounds like a some type of coma but again I'm not a medical professional and would only be speculating
Happy to hear his vital signs are returning to a more normal state

Long way to go, agreed

Likely to make sure his vitals continue to be stable for a certain period of time and/or prevent him from fighting them not knowing what's going on.

I mentioned in another post above that my Fire Chief went into cardiac arrest. He fought and tried to get out of the ambulance 5 or 6 times on the way to the hospital and was determined he was fine and nothing happened.

Yep...they'll want to watch him for at least a few hours and do some basic cardiac tests (ECCO/EKG/LABS) before thinking about pulling the tube. They'll also want to see him able to understand people talking to him (follow some simple commands) and prove he can breathe effectively on his own. ANY time somebody has ca cardiac arrest, even a brief time without circulation to your brain can result in an insult, and the event can leave someone delirious or comatose for a day or two. Sometimes the person can't breathe effectively on their own for a day or two. Sometimes this is temporary, sometimes it isn't. Can't draw bad conclusions for at least a couple of days. But he's young, he got CPR quickly, it seems the actual arrest (CPR period) was relatively short. All reasons to hope for a good/speedy recovery

 

[Penguin]

A great sign for humanity is we have over 240 people in this thread all pulling for Hamlin

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This got the waterworks started for me.

If anyone needs me, imma be sipping a good bourbon with Damar in my thoughts.

https://twitter.com/lorischmidt/status/1610118113772568576?s=46&t=XroQgOKOI8wx8hkshBZ8sg

 

[Pipes]

5 minute warmup period

just sick

I can't get over that

5 minute warmup period

just sick

I can't get over that

I would caution against the pitchforks on this issue
not all the officiating crew was likely aware in real time of how serious it was and the medical staff microphones microphones aren't heard by them
from my sideline experience one of the refs is supposed to signal a 5 minute "warning" after it appears the field is being cleared of the rig and medical staff after an extended medical delay, this struck me as totally reasonable under the normal flow of circumstances

This right here.

 

[Zow]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

That caught my attention too, sad reminder it’s a big business that can’t just make the right humane call right away.

I have no issue with them calling the union. Seems prudent under the circumstances.

 

[modogg]

i wouldn't post if i hadn't seen these guys video before, but he is an MD who posts about injuries on youtube. i watched some of his videos before regarding concussions, and he was objective and knowlegable. little more info, and the guy seems responsbil with his video here (i hope, and not just rushing a video out to get views):

Damar Hamlin Collapse on the Field

Damar Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest after taking a hard hit, requiring CPR on their field. NFL and Football Videos:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrdpld...

www.youtube.com

 

[TZMarkie]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

 

[The General]

5 minute warmup period

just sick

I can't get over that

I would caution against the pitchforks on this issue
not all the officiating crew was likely aware in real time of how serious it was and the medical staff microphones microphones aren't heard by them
from my sideline experience one of the refs is supposed to signal a 5 minute "warning" after it appears the field is being cleared of the rig and medical staff after an extended medical delay, this struck me as totally reasonable under the normal flow of circumstances

This was a very unique situation not sure how it could be handled perfectly.

ESPN’s sideline reporter on the Bills sideline said Diggs was getting people pumped up to play again, trying to rally them.

People just go to their routines.

 

[Penguin]

Sometimes life just, sucks

 

[The_Man]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

I saw a tweet that the 2 teams’ player reps called the NFLPA and told them they weren’t playing, which the PA then told the NFL. So that might have been the “consultation”

 

[ghostguy123]

Honestly, not sure why everyone has been bashing the NFL this whole thread.
The 5 minute thing was most likely so they could have more time. Simple as that.
If anything, super propers for how fast the staff got out there and went to work. If he survives with good health, the NFL deserves tons of props.

 

[GoBirds]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

That caught my attention too, sad reminder it’s a big business that can’t just make the right humane call right away.

I have no issue with them calling the union. Seems prudent under the circumstances.

I’m sure they legally have to, doubt it’s optional for the NFL machine.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

This post is going to attract a massive amount of hate but raises some excellent points about how the league handles injuries going forward.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Does putting Hamlin to sleep with a breathing tube attached dwon his throat...
That sounds like a some type of coma but again I'm not a medical professional and would only be speculating
Happy to hear his vital signs are returning to a more normal state

Long way to go, agreed

Likely to make sure his vitals continue to be stable for a certain period of time and/or prevent him from fighting them not knowing what's going on.

I mentioned in another post above that my Fire Chief went into cardiac arrest. He fought and tried to get out of the ambulance 5 or 6 times on the way to the hospital and was determined he was fine and nothing happened.

Thank you and I was reading your others posts in here as well. Amazing your Fire Chief had no long term effects.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Anyone else notice that the NFL consulted with the Player's Association before postponing the game.

That caught my attention too, sad reminder it’s a big business that can’t just make the right humane call right away.

I have no issue with them calling the union. Seems prudent under the circumstances.

When my office was in a union shop, they had a significant accident involving a forklift. Workers were shaken. Management and union leadership met immediately, shook hands and sent everyone home.

I know the NFL seems different, but it really isn’t for stuff like this. I see it as boilerplate.

 

[GoBirds]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

Yes, it appeared as though this player may have died or clearly was close to it. Unprecedented.

When I heard “CPR is being administered “ my jaw hit the floor and felt like one of those awful moments you never forget. I really hope we find a positive ending here somehow.

 

[The General]

Sounds like we will get a press conference from the hospital soon according to Bills beat writer.

 

[growlers]

Back with potentially better news - this is Damar’s rep, providing an update directly from his family. Long way to go.

Does putting Hamlin to sleep with a breathing tube attached dwon his throat...
That sounds like a some type of coma but again I'm not a medical professional and would only be speculating
Happy to hear his vital signs are returning to a more normal state

Long way to go, agreed

Likely to make sure his vitals continue to be stable for a certain period of time and/or prevent him from fighting them not knowing what's going on.

I mentioned in another post above that my Fire Chief went into cardiac arrest. He fought and tried to get out of the ambulance 5 or 6 times on the way to the hospital and was determined he was fine and nothing happened.

Yep...they'll want to watch him for at least a few hours and do some basic cardiac tests (ECCO/EKG/LABS) before thinking about pulling the tube. They'll also want to see him able to understand people talking to him (follow some simple commands) and prove he can breathe effectively on his own. ANY time somebody has ca cardiac arrest, even a brief time without circulation to your brain can result in an insult, and the event can leave someone delirious or comatose for a day or two. Sometimes the person can't breathe effectively on their own for a day or two. Sometimes this is temporary, sometimes it isn't. Can't draw bad conclusions for at least a couple of days. But he's young, he got CPR quickly, it seems the actual arrest (CPR period) was relatively short. All reasons to hope for a good/speedy recovery

I would also think there would be discussion of doing an EP study before extubating him for a potential AICD

 

[Ministry of Pain]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

You're brave

 

[fatness]

Jordon Rooney @jordonr

Update on Damar: His vitals are back to normal and they have put him to sleep to put a breathing tube down his throat. They are currently running tests. We will provide updates as we have them.

------------------------------

Jordon Rooney @jordonr

Source is me - His friend and marketing rep.

 

[BladeRunner]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Life still goes on. It must. I was at work when someone died and the business gave off to employees who wanted to and anyone who wanted to still work could. That was maybe 3 days and the weekend, so the following Monday everyone was back. The only people who really need off for longer are immediate family.

People grieve differently. Some people need off, some people bury themselves in their work. Maybe it's something else for others. In the end, life still goes on and business is still a business and needs to operate.

Did you want them to report to the field at 8am?
Can they at least have a bowl of steel cut before they stretch?
I understand what you are saying and any other poster I might not lead in with sarcasm but I know where you are going
Don't say it, Don't say it
You would have supported the game finishing tonight, that's what you are hinting at I assume?

No, that's not what I was saying at all.

Anytime time off is going to be measured in days, not weeks or months unless you're immediate family.

 

[renesauz]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

Dude just stop. There is a MASSIVE difference between watching someone get an aircast or neck brace (while giving a thumbs up) and getting CPR. MASSIVE. The first you can worry about but function after a few minutes. The second is gonna shake you up so badly you will be a zombie for at least a day or two. NO CHANCE the bills could reasonably be expected to finish this game tonight. NONE ZERO PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION.

That said, it's a giant business with literally hundreds of millions at stake, and a compressed timeline to figure things out. Realistically the Bills will either have to forfeit or play the game no later then maybe Wednesday (the NFL could postpone both following games for these teams to MOnday?) But that's a discussion to be had tomorrow morning

 

[GroveDiesel]

Bills reportedly flying home tonight to be with family. Not staying in Cinci.

 

[Penguin]

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

This is an unprecedented event. I love football more than anyone, it courses my vains, but no way should this game continue, zero point zero chance

 

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What Skip Bayless tweeted was inappropriate and ill-advised, but it wasn’t quite as bad IMO as the condemnation he’s receiving. However, Bayless has a terrible reputation built up over decades of trying to be outrageous, so I guess hes earned it.

I’ve noticed that whenever there is a tragedy, people can’t wait to savagely attack the first person who responds inappropriately (and somebody always does, it never fails.) I think everyone in this thread has behaved very well.