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Thanks for posting that. I think the author took down the paywall.
Well, we're going off DM's paraphrase of the interview, but I would assume that Chao meant it was crucial that they were able to begin treatment within seconds
I am not a medical expert, but my understanding is that as soon as CPR begins that blood flow (and oxygen) to the brain resumes and that is the biggest factor in outcome. I don't know how many minutes of CPR were performed before the AED was used and brought his heart back to regular rhythm, or if that even matters as long as the CPR is pumping the blood manually, but the reports say his heartbeat had resumed on its own before he left the field.
I really think it would be best for everyone -- all AFC playoff contenders, not just the Bills and Bengals -- if the league announced sooner rather than later that they're cancelling the game and how they're treating the "outcome." It's a hardship on everyone to have uncertainty about the schedule hanging out there.
I still remember that guy who dropped dead at mile 4 of the Olympic marathon trials a few years ago. The guy just had an undiagnosed heart condition somehow and that was that.
Never mind. It's not the same thing. Don't know why I thought it was.
I completely agree with you here. This game should not be replayed. I think the league should just call it a no contest and go off of winning percentages.*
Plus under this scenario the #1 seed would have 3 weeks off before they played (the NFC team at least, and maybe KC).
They WILL take days if there hasn't already been strong positive news
CPR doesn't give anywhere close to the same blood flow as a normal heartbeat. If it did, we'd do CPR for much longer periods then we do. Generally speaking, the longer the period of CPR, the lower the chances of a complete recovery, and we rarely go over 30 minutes total
This was my take. It isn't fair to the Bills, but injuries are NEVER fair. It's the only solution that's fair to the rest of the league.
High quality CPR can briefly keep someone alive, but it’s no substitute for the return of spontaneous circulation. Because CPR is seldom performed flawlessly, prolonged resuscitation times are associated with worse outcomes, principally from anoxic brain injury (brain damage from not enough oxygenated blood circulating).
Do we know that the Bengals wanted to play but the Bills refused? If not, how can that be called a forfeit? Why not just go by winning percentages?
Based on what you've heard so far, are you discouraged regarding Hamlin's long-term prognosis?
Right. Any solution will have unfair outcomes, but there's a difference between unfair outcomes that are immediately resolved (ie, Bills and/or Bengals get screwed on playoff seeding) and unfair outcomes that cause ongoing knock-on effects (moving the entire playoff schedule back a week). I think the league will choose the former.
Like I said
I think the 5 minute warm-up may be protocol after such a long delay for injury. Whoever mentioned that likely had no idea what the condition of Hamlin was at the time.
Too few details, and it’s too early, but requiring mechanical ventilation post-resuscitation isn’t ideal. Sometimes a shock is all it takes. On the other hand, it’s good news they needed to sedate him while on the vent, as it suggests enough functionality to fight the tube in his airway.
No questions, but I already declared everything final. Most were blowouts so irrelevant, one was close-ish but the guy leading had an extra player going too so a comeback would have been highly unlikely. High caliber guys that I would guess don't dispute since there's only about $100 at stake. If there's a dispute at all I'll just chop it.
You have clearly ridiculed it so, sure.
I’m not sure that “we shouldn’t punish the Bills, so let’s punish the Chiefs” is a reasonable alternative unfortunately.
My wife has been a nurse for 25 years including multiple years in Neurology. She mentioned she thought Hamlin suffered a neurological event after he collapsed and fell based on his arm movements (blood clot, stoke, etc.). She believes he suffered a brain related injury before the entire CPR process even got started (in addition to potential limited blood flow to the brain risk from the extended CPR). That's just her opinion from watching the replay . . . curious if you had an opinion on that. She fears he's more at risk from the neurological event more than the cardiac event.
Once we heard CPR everyone in the world knew his condition
They were just discussing on the radio and tv here (Boston market) that the last time an NFL game was started and not completed was in 1935. Certainly there is nothing that demands they finish the game, but it hasn't happened in 87 years.
If the Bills dont play next week, seems obvious it would be a forfeit
They won’t restrict the Pats to 16 games, that would be unfairly punishing them.
Agreed. It’d be unfair to have the Pats watch the Dolphins or Steelers leapfrog them without having the opportunity to play. I don’t think it’ll come down to a forfeit though.
It goes well beyond this one play and you know that.
This is pretty much where we are.
Yea that’s an underrated point. They have to go watch film and practice this week? Going to be hard.
The Bengals lost Chris Henry and played 3 days later. It sucks but things happen. Not trying to sound like "get over it", if anyone is too affected to play even by Sunday then that is okay for them to not play, but life just goes on for most people.
The latest I read is that the Bills haven’t even thought about watching film, gameplanning, practicing, etc at this point. I’d say there’s a decent chance they decide to forfeit. Or maybe go play with basically no gameplanning and like it’s a preseason game (the one positive is that it’s a division foe they already know a lot about).
Correct me if I am wrong, but has it actually been released that he was in ventricular fibrillation? Probably statistically most likely, but that is one of the assumptions I've been cautioning against.
