Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Do we even discuss what to do as Commish on Championship Weekend?
Yeah, I didn't think so either
Yeah, I didn't think so either
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Buffalo Safety-Damar Hamlin is awake and **Bills at Bengals** Game has been Canceled (2 Viewers)
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
They really need to just play a movie or something with something scrolling at the bottom about what happened.
This is just awkward and unnecessary
This is just awkward and unnecessary
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
A five minute warmup wasn’t it
Shutout
Footballguy
I know players and coaches understand the risks of football but I wonder if seeing this on the field as it happened leads any players to rethink playing.i know that's small talk but I've just never seen players react like that. I'm sure this will lead to some very significant safety policy changes.
themeistersinger
Footballguy
There is a precedent in the NFL - Chuck Hughes of Detroit Lions, October 24, 1971.
en.wikipedia.org
Chuck Hughes - Wikipedia
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Often darkest before the dawn.
Without abandoning the reality of the situation, I'm going to send positive vibes and assume that he will make a full recovery.
DHam's a fighter and in the prime of his life.
Without abandoning the reality of the situation, I'm going to send positive vibes and assume that he will make a full recovery.
DHam's a fighter and in the prime of his life.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
Burrow to the Bills Locker room
This is correct. What can they do for him in the hospital they can't do right there?
ffjunk
Footballguy
Not so fast. It also means electrical current is still in the heart. Most of the time defibrillators won't even let you shock as there is no current in the heart.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not really. They can do a lot, however, they don't have access to lab results, a doctor............
They do basic life savings techniques until they get somewhere that can actually address the problem itself.
rick6668
Footballguy
Yeah, my son is a paramedic and works out of an ambulance 80+ hours a week and there is no way an ambulance is just as good as a hospital. You want to get a patient this critical as quickly to the hospital as possible.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I’m sorry but you are being kind of an *** here. This is a situation the NFL has not dealt with before. Have some grace.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Except the guys who were in school for like 10 years to learn stuff are at the hospital not the abulance.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This guy has been pretty solid on the little info we have so far, glad you linked him
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Uhh... That is certainly not even close to true.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The percentage of recovery if a shock needs to be administered is......very low. Just saying
Shutout
Footballguy
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I'm not arguing with you, just saying I can understand people making a bad calling such a situation. But, heck, I'm still wondering how the NFL played a season during a global pandemic with zero game cancellations.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I yield to no one in my cynicism toward the NFL, but this is a totally unprecedented situation, and I think everyone is figuring this stuff out in the fly. Seems like what happened is they initially said 5m, and then the coaches got together and both agreed there was no way anyone was ready to play
FairWarning
Footballguy
I do remember when Chuck Hughes died on the field in a Bears-Lions game in’71. Butkus was waving for the drs to come out.
Zow
Footballguy
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No doubt. Again, though, if it’s handle right from here I’m willing to overlook it.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Christian Eriksen collapsed and had to undergo CPR on the field. Play resumed after he was removed from the stadium. This isn't just an NFL thing.
That Joe D guy has had really good updates on this situation
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
Terrible terrible situation. Because it’s such an “important” game you’d have to think they do try to play it at some point, but if they arent going to play tomorrow, when could they? They aren’t going to postpone the playoffs. If the game was less important I think they would just call it a tie or something. And yes I realize this all pales in comparison to the health of the player.
Paramedics are trained across a broad spectrum, but have limited resources. He needs specialized care that only a hospital can provide.
Shutout
Footballguy
Short of specialized surgery or something, yeah, pretty much.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
One very important thing: Have him surrounded by multiple specialists, the best, with decades of combined experience.
ffjunk
Footballguy
True. Paramedics can do everything in the field. Protocols are different everywhere but have been leaning to staying on scene as long as possible and not delay care- provided the proper care is available. Paramedics are basically field docs. Basic EMTs are not and do not administer meds the paramedics can.
HellToupee
Footballguy
You are seeing exactly what the leadership of this league is made of and it's a disgrace
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Within reason - no one’s doing heart surgery in an ambulance.
But once his heart is beating & he’s intubated, he’s probably he considered “stable”.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Ref handed a cell phone to McDermott and Taylor
Coaches exchanged hugs
Doesn't sound good...
Coaches exchanged hugs
Doesn't sound good...
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Hours, days, weeks...or just cancel the season.
Again, let the people involved make the decision that's right for them.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
Gotta be talking to Goddell, right?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I’m not willing to be fair at all. As awful and horrendous as this is, it 100% should have been a situation that was planned for.
If there wasn’t a plan, then it’s gross incompetence and negligence and worthy of contempt. Especially if their first reaction is to get the game going again rather than consulting with the organizations to make a decision together.
If it was planned for and that was their plan, then Goodell and a large number of people should be fired.
Journalists over the next several days should be demanding to know which it was.
karl.Racki
Footballguy
If both teams are in the hallway hugging, can't be good?
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Starting to look like game won’t continue. Hard to imagine how it could at this point
Zow
Footballguy
Only right answers would be Goodell or player’s mom.
Capella
Footballguy
Imagine somebody you work with or love practically dying right in front of you and your boss going ok you got 5 minutes get back to it.
This is insane. You all don’t have to defend the shield like this. The nfl doesn’t care about you either.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Huge props to Zac Taylor for saying f that to resuming in 5 minutes and going over to talk with McDermott and agreeing to walk off.
Zow
Footballguy
No chance assuming any semblance of logic.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not at all no, and it's really starting to bother me how several people here are talking medical when you clearly have not even the faintest of an idea what you are talking about.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I assume
Dawn Aponte was right there, Goodell's right hand gal at every MNF game
