Buffalo Safety-Damar Hamlin is awake and **Bills at Bengals** Game has been Canceled (1 Viewer)

[jobarules]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

Are you serious? The guy wasn't breathing. He didn't break a leg. Get a clue.

 

[growlers]

I really don't understand the hate for NFL not deciding immediately. Let the facts get out. For all we know, they decided quick but delayed the announcement to prepare the police and staff to safely empty the stadium.
these logistics are important for safety

 

[LawFitz]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

I think the main difference is Lockett and Daks' teammates and opponents weren't fearing for their lives.

 

[fatness]

This post is going to attract a massive amount of hate but raises some excellent points about how the league handles injuries going forward.

"If a player on either team has no pulse and is not breathing, the game shall be suspended for [duration]" seems like a good starter rule.

 

[timschochet]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

Dude just stop. There is a MASSIVE difference between watching someone get an aircast or neck brace (while giving a thumbs up) and getting CPR. MASSIVE. The first you can worry about but function after a few minutes. The second is gonna shake you up so badly you will be a zombie for at least a day or two. NO CHANCE the bills could reasonably be expected to finish this game tonight. NONE ZERO PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION.

That said, it's a giant business with literally hundreds of millions at stake, and a compressed timeline to figure things out. Realistically the Bills will either have to forfeit or play the game no later then maybe Wednesday (the NFL could postpone both following games for these teams to MOnday?) But that's a discussion to be had tomorrow morning

Thanks for your info. And thank you for the lives you’ve saved.

 

[renesauz]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

You're brave

no, just ignorant. Not necessarily in a crazy (bad person) kind of way. CPR on a loved one is a different animal from any of the other injuries he mentioned

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Damar Hamlin has a toy drive fundraiser with a goal of $2,500 Over $300,000 has been donated in the last 10 minutes

Sorry I'm not posting the source, these are all Twitter feeds and I can't get my phone to post it correctly. This one from @AlexCaruso

 

[Penguin]

What Skip Bayless tweeted was inappropriate and ill-advised, but it wasn’t quite as bad IMO as the condemnation he’s receiving. However, Bayless has a terrible reputation built up over decades of trying to be outrageous, so I guess hes earned it.

I’ve noticed that whenever there is a tragedy, people can’t wait to savagely attack the first person who responds inappropriately (and somebody always does, it never fails.) I think everyone in this thread has behaved very well.

The thing about Bayless is he's just a national troll. He knows his controversial takes will raise ratings and pad his pocket book. Dude is a terrible human being, troll and media shill.

 

[Pipes]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

You're brave

That’s one adjective that applies here

 

[Bozeman Bruiser]

Thanks @growlers , @renesauz , @ProstheticRGK and the others with medical expertise for sharing your insights.

 

[Billy1x]

FYI: His representative, Jordon Rooney, provided an update on Monday night after Hamlin arrived at the hospital. Rooney tweeted that Hamlin’s vitals are “back to normal,” and added that Hamlin was put to sleep in order to get a breathing tube down his throat

 

[mr roboto]

You can tell who in this thread has seen someone up close, in person nearly die and those that haven’t. It’s terrifying. If it isn’t you have either seen too much or have something wrong.

 

[sho nuff]

Damar Hamlin has a toy drive fundraiser with a goal of $2,500 Over $300,000 has been donated in the last 10 minutes

Sorry I'm not posting the source, these are all Twitter feeds and I can't get my phone to post it correctly. This one from @AlexCaruso

Apparently over $800,000 now.

 

[TZMarkie]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

This post is going to attract a massive amount of hate but raises some excellent points about how the league handles injuries going forward.

It might.
And to be clear, I am 100% not being insensitive to the injured player in question. (But in todays world, everyone might whine and say how what I said is uncalled for or just wrong............but I'm more looking to how ALL INJURIES ARE HANDLED. ) To put a lot more emphasis on the current situation, well isn't that detracting from the other injuries in some way. Just because it happened tonight, doesn't mean that Dak's ankle injury wasn't every bit as serious and how it was viewed AT THAT TIME .

Wasn't there a Saints player 10+ years ago that went down, and was ultimately paralyzed.........? The point is from memory that injury was every bit as severe, life threatening and concerning at that time.

I just look back to other injuries, some of them very serious (where the players future was 100% in question at the time) and ultimately the game was restarted.
Just because tonight's injury just happened, doesn't make it any more grave or significant than others in the last.
I just don't believe we should use recency bias to examine things or change protocol, but sadly thats the way of the world.

If anything, I hope the NFL comes forward with some updated type or procedures/roads to follow in the event of serious injury again.

 

[Hankmoody]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

This post is going to attract a massive amount of hate but raises some excellent points about how the league handles injuries going forward.

No it doesn't. This is a life-threatening situation. Torn ACL's are not. End.

 

[Penguin]

Still hard to see this game continuing tomorrow, even with the playoff consequences.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Life still goes on. It must. I was at work when someone died and the business gave off to employees who wanted to and anyone who wanted to still work could. That was maybe 3 days and the weekend, so the following Monday everyone was back. The only people who really need off for longer are immediate family.

People grieve differently. Some people need off, some people bury themselves in their work. Maybe it's something else for others. In the end, life still goes on and business is still a business and needs to operate.

Did you want them to report to the field at 8am?
Can they at least have a bowl of steel cut before they stretch?
I understand what you are saying and any other poster I might not lead in with sarcasm but I know where you are going
Don't say it, Don't say it
You would have supported the game finishing tonight, that's what you are hinting at I assume?

No, that's not what I was saying at all.

Anytime time off is going to be measured in days, not weeks or months unless you're immediate family.

Appreciate you clarifying

 

[scottybo]

Damar Hamlin has a toy drive fundraiser with a goal of $2,500 Over $300,000 has been donated in the last 10 minutes

Sorry I'm not posting the source, these are all Twitter feeds and I can't get my phone to post it correctly. This one from @AlexCaruso

Approaching 1 million mark.

 

[belljr]

Damar Hamlin has a toy drive fundraiser with a goal of $2,500 Over $300,000 has been donated in the last 10 minutes

Sorry I'm not posting the source, these are all Twitter feeds and I can't get my phone to post it correctly. This one from @AlexCaruso

Apparently over $800,000 now.

I don't want to be a downer, as that is incredible but that drive is from 2020..... I hope the funds won't be "lost"......I don't know how it works but incredible gesture none the less

 

[renesauz]

Still hard to see this game continuing tomorrow, even with the playoff consequences.

If Bills flying home tonight would be next to impossible. They could make Wednesday work I think, with moves for other games next weekend

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Still hard to see this game continuing tomorrow, even with the playoff consequences.

Bills have already flown home.

 

[dickey moe]

Bills reportedly flying home tonight to be with family. Not staying in Cinci.

ESPN just showed Stefon Diggs walking into University of Cincinnati Medical Center, FWIW. That's a solid friend right there.

 

[jobarules]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

This post is going to attract a massive amount of hate but raises some excellent points about how the league handles injuries going forward.

It might.
And to be clear, I am 100% not being insensitive to the injured player in question. (But in todays world, everyone might whine and say how what I said is uncalled for or just wrong............but I'm more looking to how ALL INJURIES ARE HANDLED. ) To put a lot more emphasis on the current situation, well isn't that detracting from the other injuries in some way. Just because it happened tonight, doesn't mean that Dak's ankle injury wasn't every bit as serious and how it was viewed AT THAT TIME .

Wasn't there a Saints player 10+ years ago that went down, and was ultimately paralyzed.........? The point is from memory that injury was every bit as severe, life threatening and concerning at that time.

I just look back to other injuries, some of them very serious (where the players future was 100% in question at the time) and ultimately the game was restarted.
Just because tonight's injury just happened, doesn't make it any more grave or significant than others in the last.
I just don't believe we should use recency bias to examine things or change protocol, but sadly thats the way of the world.

If anything, I hope the NFL comes forward with some updated type or procedures/roads to follow in the event of serious injury again.

Wow

This guy wasn't injured. He almost died. There's a difference. Learn it. You sound really dumb.

 

[Dickies]

For those wanting to search, Skip Bayless is a despicable human being.

Hopefully something positive comes out of this and we are finally done with this clown.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Stefon Diggs Ubered to the hospital where a reporter had to explain to the hospital staff who he is so they would let him in. Diggs is a real one.

 

[travdogg]

The thing I keep thinking about is, there was absolutely nothing wrong with this play. It was a hit that probably happens 100 times every game. There is nothing to clean up, or fix, or change. just one of those 1 in a billion fluke things.

Skip Bayless likely doesn't have a job tomorrow. At least there's that.

FYI: His representative, Jordon Rooney, provided an update on Monday night after Hamlin arrived at the hospital. Rooney tweeted that Hamlin’s vitals are “back to normal,” and added that Hamlin was put to sleep in order to get a breathing tube down his throat

That's good to hear. This has been certainly the scariest thing I've ever seen in 30 years of watching football, and I, like many I'm sure, were sort of expecting/fearing the worst.

 

[Steve Tasker]

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

The difference here is that a player nearly died (and still very well might die) on the field, requiring immediate CPR. I shattered my ankle Dak-style playing soccer in high school, which required an ambulance on the field, a stretcher, all sorts of recovery, but the game still went on. It's fundamentally different when your teammate is on the verge of death right in front of your eyes. I can't even imagine the trauma that the players on both sides are dealing with.

I don't really know the right result here. It looks like the NFL said "the show must go on", and both the Bills and Bengals said "**** that". If push comes to shove, then maybe the Bills just forfeit and move on. **** playoff seeding, it's just a game. If the players don't feel comfortable playing, I'm not going to hold it against them.

 

[Wooderson]

Still hard to see this game continuing tomorrow, even with the playoff consequences.

Bills have already flown home.

Thought they just showed the Bills bus at the stadium.
Just seen Diggs walk into the hospital .

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I really don't understand the hate for NFL not deciding immediately. Let the facts get out. For all we know, they decided quick but delayed the announcement to prepare the police and staff to safely empty the stadium.
these logistics are important for safety

I agree with you on this
It makes a lot of sense what you are saying

But you understand why folks would think some other things I hope.

 

[jobarules]

Still hard to see this game continuing tomorrow, even with the playoff consequences.

Bills have already flown home.

Not yet

The busses are still there and players are going to hospital. Still agree tomorrow doesn't seem possible.

 

[BassNBrew]

You can tell who in this thread has seen someone up close, in person nearly die and those that haven’t. It’s terrifying. If it isn’t you have either seen too much or have something wrong.

How can you tell this?

 

[The General]

What Skip Bayless tweeted was inappropriate and ill-advised, but it wasn’t quite as bad IMO as the condemnation he’s receiving. However, Bayless has a terrible reputation built up over decades of trying to be outrageous, so I guess hes earned it.

I’ve noticed that whenever there is a tragedy, people can’t wait to savagely attack the first person who responds inappropriately (and somebody always does, it never fails.) I think everyone in this thread has behaved very well.

I didn’t read what he wrote but his shtick is typically really bad.

People’s comments on Twitter though are usually the last place you want to be when there is an issue such as this.

 

[BassNBrew]

Still hard to see this game continuing tomorrow, even with the playoff consequences.

Bills have already flown home.

Not yet

The busses are still there and players are going to hospital. Still agree tomorrow doesn't seem possible.

Hour and 17 minute flight. Probably about half the time it takes the LA players to get to their home games.

 

[TZMarkie]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

You're brave

no, just ignorant. Not necessarily in a crazy (bad person) kind of way. CPR on a loved one is a different animal from any of the other injuries he mentioned

Not ignorance. I have been around far more difficult things with family, life changing decisions etc than you will ever know, but thats not why I responded.
You are free to disagree with me, and Its OK, we will both get by.

I just think you don't remember how severe a few different injuries were at the time they happened. It wasn't too long after we knew, that Dak would be OK. (I still remember him visibly shaking his ankle and it just was flapping, a very sick sight......other than the Theismann injury that might have been the worst sight I can recall)
But I remember the Lockett injury clear as a bell, and right when it happened they indeed thought it was far more severe than it ultimately turned out to be.

My point is, maybe the NFL should have better protocol in place, and rules to follow in these instances.
Just "flying by the seat of your pants when an injury occurs" probably isn't the best way to handle things.

 

[Army Eye]

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....

The difference is the players in this case were wondering whether they just saw their teammate literally die.

In a couple days, will they have 'got past this'? No. But they will be more 'past it' then they would have been tonight. I've experienced a traumatic event in my life, probably most of us have. I was much more composed some days afterward, compared to the day of, even if the situation didn't improve.

 

[timschochet]

As far as the game goes, I say just cancel it. So the Bills and the Bengals each have at least one less game overall. So what? If it changes the playoff implications so be it.

 

[renesauz]

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

The difference here is that a player nearly died (and still very well might die) on the field, requiring immediate CPR. I shattered my ankle Dak-style playing soccer in high school, which required an ambulance on the field, a stretcher, all sorts of recovery, but the game still went on. It's fundamentally different when your teammate is on the verge of death right in front of your eyes. I can't even imagine the trauma that the players on both sides are dealing with.

I don't really know the right result here. It looks like the NFL said "the show must go on", and both the Bills and Bengals said "**** that". If push comes to shove, then maybe the Bills just forfeit and move on. **** playoff seeding, it's just a game. If the players don't feel comfortable playing, I'm not going to hold it against them.

100% this

It may well necessitate a forfeit...and we should all be ok with that. We'll figure out the fantasy stuff

 

[travdogg]

As far as the game goes, I say just cancel it. So the Bills and the Bengals each have at least one less game overall. So what? If it changes the playoff implications so be it.

I mean, in theory, each team had 1 full possession, so if one wanted to, you could fairly say the Bengals win 7-3. Not ideal, but more sensible than an outright forfeit.

Antivaxxers on the interwebs are trying to make this about the COVID vaccine, and frankly I’m ready for the giant meteor to hit right this minute.

Those people aren't worth the energy. Plenty of other people not deserving of meteors hitting.

 

[renesauz]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

You're brave

no, just ignorant. Not necessarily in a crazy (bad person) kind of way. CPR on a loved one is a different animal from any of the other injuries he mentioned

Not ignorance. I have been around far more difficult things with family, life changing decisions etc than you will ever know, but thats not why I responded.
You are free to disagree with me, and Its OK, we will both get by.

I just think you don't remember how severe a few different injuries were at the time they happened. It wasn't too long after we knew, that Dak would be OK. (I still remember him visibly shaking his ankle and it just was flapping, a very sick sight......other than the Theismann injury that might have been the worst sight I can recall)
But I remember the Lockett injury clear as a bell, and right when it happened they indeed thought it was far more severe than it ultimately turned out to be.

My point is, maybe the NFL should have better protocol in place, and rules to follow in these instances.
Just "flying by the seat of your pants when an injury occurs" probably isn't the best way to handle things.

Dude...NONE of those other injuries were LIFE THREATENING. As in DEAD? What part of this do you not get?

 

[ghostguy123]

As far as the game goes, I say just cancel it. So the Bills and the Bengals each have at least one less game overall. So what? If it changes the playoff implications so be it.

They might, but even if they do there's no need to make that decision right NOW

 

[fatness]

FYI: His representative, Jordon Rooney, provided an update on Monday night after Hamlin arrived at the hospital. Rooney tweeted that Hamlin’s vitals are “back to normal,” and added that Hamlin was put to sleep in order to get a breathing tube down his throat

https://twitter.com/jordonr

 

[Terminalxylem]

We typically hear something like
"He was alert" and we didn't get any of that and we haven't heard a GD F'Bomb word if this guy is going to be OK or not
It's very frustrating right now

It seems he had a cardiac arrest, possibly as a direct result of a blow to the chest, or some underlying problem with his heart. When this occurs, you aren’t alert.

Hopefully CPR was adequate to maintain blood flow to his brain those ~10 minutes his heart wasn’t beating, else his prospects for recovery aren’t great. But immediately post-arrest it isn’t always apparent if a patient will be “OK”, or even recover in a meaningful way.

 

[sho nuff]

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

The difference here is that a player nearly died (and still very well might die) on the field, requiring immediate CPR. I shattered my ankle Dak-style playing soccer in high school, which required an ambulance on the field, a stretcher, all sorts of recovery, but the game still went on. It's fundamentally different when your teammate is on the verge of death right in front of your eyes. I can't even imagine the trauma that the players on both sides are dealing with.

I don't really know the right result here. It looks like the NFL said "the show must go on", and both the Bills and Bengals said "**** that". If push comes to shove, then maybe the Bills just forfeit and move on. **** playoff seeding, it's just a game. If the players don't feel comfortable playing, I'm not going to hold it against them.

100% this

It may well necessitate a forfeit...and we should all be ok with that. We'll figure out the fantasy stuff

Yeah just now thought about FF. Going to wait til tomorrow…but likely checking with the two teams in the finals to just split the title. One guy had Burrow and was behind, but not by much.

Another league the team down a little had Allen. That league has already determined to donate all funds.

 

[Stat Correction]

Firstly, I have been praying for DHam and am cautiously encouraged by what little info is trickling out thus far. I will continue to think positively in regards to a full recovery, Lord-willing.

Been watching the NFL since the 70's. I am not offended in the least that the game was suspended tonight, and fully understand the reasoning behind it. However, I also wouldn't have been offended had it resumed either. In fact, I expected them to. Obviously, most of you would disagree and I respect that, but no need for me to be dishonest....so please don't throw shade...just being genuine. This is an amazingly violent game, and it's borderline miraculous that this doesn't happen more often.

Having said that, this is a fascinating insight tonight as to societal changes that have occurred in America. Perhaps it simply portends that I am getting older (Gen X), but my reaction was to ingest the potential seriousness and gravity of the situation, pray for a positive outcome (heartfelt prayer), and get back to playing ball. I believe that in 1993, they would have. Then it dawned on me that all of these players and most of the coaches/commentators/fans/posters are from a totally different generation from me; have different experiences, reactions, and coping mechanisms. I'm not saying that they are wrong....just different....and tonight was one of those moments that lifted the veil for me. We have moved from the familiar (to me) "let's carry on" to "let's process". Fascinating.

 

[BassNBrew]

As far as the game goes, I say just cancel it. So the Bills and the Bengals each have at least one less game overall. So what? If it changes the playoff implications so be it.

That could change players paychecks across the league this year. It potentially changes paychecks for some players for years to come. It changes the playoff seedings which impacts team revenues and city revenues. That changes payouts in huge fantasy contests. This is big business. When the Amazon warehouse worker is run over by a forklift they aren't canceling your deliveries for the next month.

 

[TZMarkie]

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

The difference here is that a player nearly died (and still very well might die) on the field, requiring immediate CPR. I shattered my ankle Dak-style playing soccer in high school, which required an ambulance on the field, a stretcher, all sorts of recovery, but the game still went on. It's fundamentally different when your teammate is on the verge of death right in front of your eyes. I can't even imagine the trauma that the players on both sides are dealing with.

I don't really know the right result here. It looks like the NFL said "the show must go on", and both the Bills and Bengals said "**** that". If push comes to shove, then maybe the Bills just forfeit and move on. **** playoff seeding, it's just a game. If the players don't feel comfortable playing, I'm not going to hold it against them.

I appreciate the response. The Dak injury was different, in that in 10-15 minutes much of the long term concerns were gone, or at least not as bad as they thought initially.
But there have certainly been other injuries that seemed far worse when they happened, yet the game was ultimately restarted.

Its easy for any of us to look back and say "well that injury wasn't as severe, etc etc, since time has passed and we learned more". But there have been several injuries where there were massive concerns right when they happened, and then the game was restarted a bit later.

As I said above, maybe this instills a better protocol or guidelines to follow the next time a serious injury occurs. Not just "flying by the seat of your pants when something happens or an injury occurs" as the NFL seems to do at times.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Stefon Diggs Ubered to the hospital where a reporter had to explain to the hospital staff who he is so they would let him in. Diggs is a real one.

Always been a fan. Even more so now. The real deal for sure.

Really hope Hamlin recovers, whatever that means at this point. Any good news is a positive…..

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As far as the game goes, I say just cancel it. So the Bills and the Bengals each have at least one less game overall. So what? If it changes the playoff implications so be it.

You seem very eager to cancel, seems like the first option in your playbook from your posts and contributions this evening in this thread

Thanks for your POV

 

[belljr]

At least we sniffed out Dak Prescott's alias

 

[tricky92]

Antivaxxers on the interwebs are trying to make this about the COVID vaccine, and frankly I’m ready for the giant meteor to hit right this minute.

Leave it there.