Buffalo Safety-Damar Hamlin is awake and **Bills at Bengals** Game has been Canceled (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

No doubt the NFL is considering postponing the rest of this game - but how? This late in the season, a game of this magnitude is crucial to the regular-season outcome ... which suddenly seems so irrelevant.

Wow...I thought the tweet would be a whole lot worse based on comments. Not even sure if this would make Skip's top ten worst takes....for today alone.

 

[TZMarkie]

i can't imagine forcing either team to play a game again in the near future, let alone other NFL players who have seen the hit. Will be a bit of a challenge for the NFL to determine how the season and playoffs proceed depending the outcome here

Probably will go down the same as a airline pilot seeing another plane crash or a doctor treating a Covid patient after seeing another doctor die from covid or the local Amazon worker punching the clock again after another worker gets crushed by a forklift. Hope Hamlin has a full recovery but let's not forget there have been 1000's of tragedies this short year alone. It's the lights and camera that make this bigger.

I 100% DO NOT AGREE with stopping/then canceling the game.
(Well, let me clarify, obviously I think it should have been stopped right as it happened. But once he is off the field, let the teams resume play)

For those that say "well a few guys might be thrown off, we need everyone 100% on point to play or risk possible other injury". Well if thats the case, suppose we reschedule the game until Thursday night. So by waiting a couple days that means everyone will "get past this"....? Umm, NO. things won't change massively between now and Thursday.

My point really is, is this is a violent game, and we should expect this sort of thing to happen even more frequently than it is.
Note - I am not being insensitive to the player in question, in fact I am looking well past all that.

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

I remember when Tyler Lockett went down, it looked pretty damn bad. Yet once he got an air cast then airlifted away, the game restarted.
How about when Dak absolutely crushed his ankle.....? I remember the kneejerk commentary the first day or two was "He might not ever play football again, he might not ever walk 100% again".
The point is, we didn't cancel the rest of those games. Give everyone a bit to regroup and then restart the games.

You're brave

no, just ignorant. Not necessarily in a crazy (bad person) kind of way. CPR on a loved one is a different animal from any of the other injuries he mentioned

Not ignorance. I have been around far more difficult things with family, life changing decisions etc than you will ever know, but thats not why I responded.
You are free to disagree with me, and Its OK, we will both get by.

I just think you don't remember how severe a few different injuries were at the time they happened. It wasn't too long after we knew, that Dak would be OK. (I still remember him visibly shaking his ankle and it just was flapping, a very sick sight......other than the Theismann injury that might have been the worst sight I can recall)
But I remember the Lockett injury clear as a bell, and right when it happened they indeed thought it was far more severe than it ultimately turned out to be.

My point is, maybe the NFL should have better protocol in place, and rules to follow in these instances.
Just "flying by the seat of your pants when an injury occurs" probably isn't the best way to handle things.

Dude...NONE of those other injuries were LIFE THREATENING. As in DEAD? What part of this do you not get?

DUDE, when the Lockett injury occurred, it was indeed considered "possibly life threatening", several times the cameras "cut away" and only after 30+ minutes or so did the signs start to get better..... the thumbs up etc.

What part of this do YOU not get .
It's not about this specific injury, its about ALL the serious injuries we see, and some are more serious than others, obviously.

But feel free to try and twist my words, and make this into something its not. You can just block me, and in fact thats probably best,considering you would rather argue about what YOU believe (and are trying to twist my words into), than being open minded and trying to look at everything overall, past injuries etc.

 

[renesauz]

If we are going to cancel the rest of the game, can you tell me exactly what the difference is between this and any one of a number of other very serious injuries where the player was carted off, taken off to hospital and then play was restarted.....?

The difference here is that a player nearly died (and still very well might die) on the field, requiring immediate CPR. I shattered my ankle Dak-style playing soccer in high school, which required an ambulance on the field, a stretcher, all sorts of recovery, but the game still went on. It's fundamentally different when your teammate is on the verge of death right in front of your eyes. I can't even imagine the trauma that the players on both sides are dealing with.

I don't really know the right result here. It looks like the NFL said "the show must go on", and both the Bills and Bengals said "**** that". If push comes to shove, then maybe the Bills just forfeit and move on. **** playoff seeding, it's just a game. If the players don't feel comfortable playing, I'm not going to hold it against them.

100% this

It may well necessitate a forfeit...and we should all be ok with that. We'll figure out the fantasy stuff

Yeah just now thought about FF. Going to wait til tomorrow…but likely checking with the two teams in the finals to just split the title. One guy had Burrow and was behind, but not by much.

Another league the team down a little had Allen. That league has already determined to donate all funds.

Yeah I'm in a couple of finals. Both are a four team best score wins but 4 of my 6 opponents had Allen going tonight. If scores stood as they are I'd win the ship in one and take 2nd in the other.....but was more likely to be 2nd and third had the games played out. I'm not gonna claim the title this way. (stupid week 14 byes wrecked havoc on multi copy giant leagues!)

 

[BassNBrew]

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, the NFL's week 2 games (September 16 and 17) were postponed and rescheduled to the weekend of January 6 and 7, 2002. To retain the full playoff format, all playoff games, including Super Bowl XXXVI, were rescheduled one week later.

Some historical perspective.

I think this is more likely that a single game cancelation.

 

[timschochet]

No doubt the NFL is considering postponing the rest of this game - but how? This late in the season, a game of this magnitude is crucial to the regular-season outcome ... which suddenly seems so irrelevant.

Wow...I thought the tweet would be a whole lot worse based on comments. Not even sure if this would make Skip's top ten worst takes....for today alone.

I thought the same. Which is why the outrage surprised me- but the more I thought about it, there is always outrage over somebody’s imprudent comments after every tragic event. And maybe people need to express outrage.

 

[fatness]

Suppose the resumption of this game is delayed 1, 2, or 3 days. The NFL can make that happen --- they have immense financial resources and influence. The following week's games involving the Bengals and Bills could be delayed 0, 1, or 2 days. Again, the NFL can absolutely make that happen. By the following week, assuming 1 or both teams are still alive in the playoffs, they could be back to the original schedule.

No games lost, perhaps some awkward dates and locations for a few games (and a lot of negotiating to accomplish it), but the NFL is absolutely powerful enough to make it happen.

Just one possibility.

 

[tricky92]

I just read Skip's Tweet, and it almost seems like everyone missed this part: ... which suddenly seems so irrelevant.

The first part seemed rhetorical to set up the main point.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Another thing to take to mind:. Truly awesome job by the medical staff. We are quick to rag on the NFL, refs, etc, but give credit the the medical staff. They saved a life tonight.

It’s crazy to think but read a doc on Twitter who said this is “the best” place to collapse with an issue. Trained people everywhere and very close.

Yep. While any cardiac arrest is terrible, rapid, high quality CPR and immediate access to an AED for a shockable rhythm are best case scenarios. Delays in getting blood circulating causes organ damage, most critically to the brain.

About 90% of people who experience an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest die. A subset of those who don’t suffer permanent brain damage, including some who remain in a vegetative state. Given the circumstances, Hamlin’s arrest was more similar to that occurring in a hospital, where the survival rates are more than twice as high.

 

[renesauz]

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, the NFL's week 2 games (September 16 and 17) were postponed and rescheduled to the weekend of January 6 and 7, 2002. To retain the full playoff format, all playoff games, including Super Bowl XXXVI, were rescheduled one week later.

Some historical perspective.

I think this is more likely that a single game cancelation.

HUge difference between pushing stuff back a week 3 months from now, and doing so...NEXT WEEK.
Would be shocked if they were able to work that solution this time

 

[BassNBrew]

Suppose the resumption of this game is delayed 1, 2, or 3 days. The NFL can make that happen --- they have immense financial resources and influence. The following week's games involving the Bengals and Bills could be delayed 0, 1, or 2 days. Again, the NFL can absolutely make that happen. By the following week, assuming 1 or both teams are still alive in the playoffs, they could be back to the original schedule.

No games lost, perhaps some awkward dates and locations for a few games (and a lot of negotiating to accomplish it), but the NFL is absolutely powerful enough to make it happen.

Just one possibility.

This is the most likely scenario. Ripple effects are to big to just abandon a game.

 

[Capella]

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, the NFL's week 2 games (September 16 and 17) were postponed and rescheduled to the weekend of January 6 and 7, 2002. To retain the full playoff format, all playoff games, including Super Bowl XXXVI, were rescheduled one week later.

Some historical perspective.

I think this is more likely that a single game cancelation.

Pushing the Super Bowl back a week seems almost impossible logistically. They plan around that week and block it off years in advance.

 

[timschochet]

As far as the game goes, I say just cancel it. So the Bills and the Bengals each have at least one less game overall. So what? If it changes the playoff implications so be it.

That could change players paychecks across the league this year. It potentially changes paychecks for some players for years to come. It changes the playoff seedings which impacts team revenues and city revenues. That changes payouts in huge fantasy contests. This is big business. When the Amazon warehouse worker is run over by a forklift they aren't canceling your deliveries for the next month.

You raise good points here for sure. But I kind of feel like forcing these teams to play another game (which would have to be immediate) would be an even worse outcome. And I also think a forfeit is a more unfair outcome than simply canceling. So my conclusion is that a cancel is the best of three bad options. But I’m not at all sure I’m right.

 

[BassNBrew]

Another thing to take to mind:. Truly awesome job by the medical staff. We are quick to rag on the NFL, refs, etc, but give credit the the medical staff. They saved a life tonight.

It’s crazy to think but read a doc on Twitter who said this is “the best” place to collapse with an issue. Trained people everywhere and very close.

Yep. While any cardiac arrest is terrible, rapid, high quality CPR and immediate access to an AED for a shockable rhythm are best case scenarios. Delays in getting blood circulating causes organ damage, most critically to the brain.

About 90% of people who experience an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest die. A subset of those who don’t suffer permanent brain damage, including some who remain in a vegetative state. Given the circumstances, Hamlin’s arrest was more similar to that occurring in a hospital, where the survival rates are more than twice as high.

So you are saying that he had an 80% chance of dying on the field?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Guys, like it or not - and I doubt anyone does, it's a no-win situation - the game has to be played. Likely played tomorrow.

Then you move these two teams' final game to Monday next week. Then you engineer the schedule to make sure if either plays the first playoff weekend, they play on Sunday not Saturday.

It's yucky but we're taking a multi billion dollar operation with tens of thousands of people involved.

If you HAVE to have resolution without completing the game, the fairest result to the teams is declaring a tie - strictly IMO.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Obviously I am conflicted here on all kinds of levels, but this game is just massive for playoff seeding and one or more fanbases are going to feel hard done by no matter what the league does here. I'll live with it if it ends up being a Bills forfeit.

 

[BassNBrew]

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, the NFL's week 2 games (September 16 and 17) were postponed and rescheduled to the weekend of January 6 and 7, 2002. To retain the full playoff format, all playoff games, including Super Bowl XXXVI, were rescheduled one week later.

Some historical perspective.

I think this is more likely that a single game cancelation.

Pushing the Super Bowl back a week seems almost impossible logistically. They plan around that week and block it off years in advance.

There's a two week period between the Championships and the Bow.

 

[Schmeabs]

Game will be played tomorrow or Wednesday IMO assuming he recovers.

 

[Capella]

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, the NFL's week 2 games (September 16 and 17) were postponed and rescheduled to the weekend of January 6 and 7, 2002. To retain the full playoff format, all playoff games, including Super Bowl XXXVI, were rescheduled one week later.

Some historical perspective.

I think this is more likely that a single game cancelation.

Pushing the Super Bowl back a week seems almost impossible logistically. They plan around that week and block it off years in advance.

There's a two week period between the Championships and the Bow.

Yea they could cancel that bye week if they had to but moving the game seems very unlikely. Going to be interesting to see how this is handled.

 

[BassNBrew]

Obviously I am conflicted here on all kinds of levels, but this game is just massive for playoff seeding and one or more fanbases are going to feel hard done by no matter what the league does here. I'll live with it if it ends up being a Bills forfeit.

Feel free to quote my if I'm wrong but the Bills aren't forfeiting.

 

[belljr]

Alternative, schedule stays as is week 18. If after week 18 this game matters, they play it and push stuff around. If it doesn't, they give Cincy the w and continue as normal

 

[SoBeDad]

Obviously I am conflicted here on all kinds of levels, but this game is just massive for playoff seeding and one or more fanbases are going to feel hard done by no matter what the league does here. I'll live with it if it ends up being a Bills forfeit.

Forfeit because they were losing when the game was canceled? And a win for CIN?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Guys, like it or not - and I doubt anyone does, it's a no-win situation - the game has to be played. Likely played tomorrow.

Then you move these two teams' final game to Monday next week. Then you engineer the schedule to make sure if either plays the first playoff weekend, they play on Sunday not Saturday.

It's yucky but we're taking a multi billion dollar operation with tens of thousands of people involved.

If you HAVE to have resolution without completing the game, the fairest result to the teams is declaring a tie - strictly IMO.

I gave this like a like because I agree with you directionally. But technically this game doesn't have to be played. They could just call it a 16 game season for these two teams, or call it a tie, or hand the Bills a forfeit or loss. All of those are kind of defensible.

 

[timschochet]

Guys, like it or not - and I doubt anyone does, it's a no-win situation - the game has to be played. Likely played tomorrow.

Then you move these two teams' final game to Monday next week. Then you engineer the schedule to make sure if either plays the first playoff weekend, they play on Sunday not Saturday.

It's yucky but we're taking a multi billion dollar operation with tens of thousands of people involved.

I don’t see why it has to be played. And it might do terrible damage to the league’s image to force it to be played.

 

[timschochet]

A forfeit is unfair. Just call it a 16 game season and be done with it.

 

[The General]

Guys, like it or not - and I doubt anyone does, it's a no-win situation - the game has to be played. Likely played tomorrow.

Then you move these two teams' final game to Monday next week. Then you engineer the schedule to make sure if either plays the first playoff weekend, they play on Sunday not Saturday.

It's yucky but we're taking a multi billion dollar operation with tens of thousands of people involved.

If you HAVE to have resolution without completing the game, the fairest result to the teams is declaring a tie - strictly IMO.

From the practical, business side - everyone is concerned, sickened, shocked, etc about what happened playing a game - I think they could do this on Thursday.

Or Bills forfeit the game.

 

[Capella]

A forfeit is unfair. Just call it a 16 game season and be done with it.

There’s no easy answer here but that is unfair to the Bills (who almost certainly do not care) as they are behind the Chiefs in winning % for the 1 seed and also the Ravens who then can’t catch the Bengals for the north.

Just saying “be done with it” ignores the complexity of the situation.

 

[BassNBrew]

In the wake of the September 11 attacks, the NFL's week 2 games (September 16 and 17) were postponed and rescheduled to the weekend of January 6 and 7, 2002. To retain the full playoff format, all playoff games, including Super Bowl XXXVI, were rescheduled one week later.

Some historical perspective.

I think this is more likely that a single game cancelation.

Pushing the Super Bowl back a week seems almost impossible logistically. They plan around that week and block it off years in advance.

There's a two week period between the Championships and the Bow.

Yea they could cancel that bye week if they had to but moving the game seems very unlikely. Going to be interesting to see how this is handled.

Feel free to fire away but I suspect we'll get Hamiln wants us to play or would have wanted us to play. once people digest most business aren't shutting down when an employee has something really bad happen at work.

 

[Doug B]

Perhaps it simply portends that I am getting older (Gen X), but my reaction was to ingest the potential seriousness and gravity of the situation, pray for a positive outcome (heartfelt prayer), and get back to playing ball. I believe that in 1993, they would have.

I have no doubt that had this happened 30 years ago, play would have resumed later in the night.

Many hockey fans here will know of Bill Masterson. Hamlin’s trauma tonight led to seek a deeper account of what happened to Masterson, his teammates, and opponents during and immediately after his last game.

 

[renesauz]

Another thing to take to mind:. Truly awesome job by the medical staff. We are quick to rag on the NFL, refs, etc, but give credit the the medical staff. They saved a life tonight.

It’s crazy to think but read a doc on Twitter who said this is “the best” place to collapse with an issue. Trained people everywhere and very close.

Yep. While any cardiac arrest is terrible, rapid, high quality CPR and immediate access to an AED for a shockable rhythm are best case scenarios. Delays in getting blood circulating causes organ damage, most critically to the brain.

About 90% of people who experience an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest die. A subset of those who don’t suffer permanent brain damage, including some who remain in a vegetative state. Given the circumstances, Hamlin’s arrest was more similar to that occurring in a hospital, where the survival rates are more than twice as high.

So you are saying that he had an 80% chance of dying on the field?

If it had been a pickup game in the local park....sorta (see last line). There with doctors and medics on hand....much lower. Too many variables to give good odds. Was it vfib from the hit? A congenital thing? His age and condition are foactors too. Most 20soemthings don't go into cardiac arrest so historical averages are misleading

 

[GroveDiesel]

Hopefully not being out of line in any way, but for everyone that watched that, take care of your mental health too. That was pretty traumatic to witness.

My young-ish daughter was watching with me and I messed up in not immediately turning it off and then messed up further by not being careful enough in how I talked about it with my wife and dad (who hadn’t seen it and called to find out what happened). She began to cry quite a bit when heading up to bed and we had to spend some time talking with her and calming her down. What happened wasn’t a typical injury and it’s ok if it messed you up a bit.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Guys, like it or not - and I doubt anyone does, it's a no-win situation - the game has to be played. Likely played tomorrow.

Then you move these two teams' final game to Monday next week. Then you engineer the schedule to make sure if either plays the first playoff weekend, they play on Sunday not Saturday.

It's yucky but we're taking a multi billion dollar operation with tens of thousands of people involved.

If you HAVE to have resolution without completing the game, the fairest result to the teams is declaring a tie - strictly IMO.

I gave this like a like because I agree with you directionally. But technically this game doesn't have to be played. They could just call it a 16 game season for these two teams, or call it a tie, or hand the Bills a forfeit or loss. All of those are kind of defensible.

I would guess (totality guess) that that's not really possible. Probably not even legally possible - disrupting competitive balance or some such thing. If they based the playoffs on win percentage alone then maybe, but they don't.

Before chasing down that rabbit hole though, best to drop it since it's so speculative.

Again, I think the best resolution that would get the least blowback from a do competitive sense is declaring a tie.

 

[SoBeDad]

Lots of speculation. What if Demar recovers by tomorrow and says play the game?

 

[kinghill]

Any of you FF commissioners out there getting questions from your league about how championship game / 3rd place games will be handled?

I said no idea waiting until we learn more tomorrow

 

[The General]

A forfeit is unfair. Just call it a 16 game season and be done with it.

There’s no easy answer here but that is unfair to the Bills (who almost certainly do not care) as they are behind the Chiefs in winning % for the 1 seed and also the Ravens who then can’t catch the Bengals for the north.

Just saying “be done with it” ignores the complexity of the situation.

This is the stuff that will have to be talked about by the league, the teams, the player’s association. People are ripping folks for talking about this but it will need to be figured out in next day realistically.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Firstly, I have been praying for DHam and am cautiously encouraged by what little info is trickling out thus far. I will continue to think positively in regards to a full recovery, Lord-willing.

Been watching the NFL since the 70's. I am not offended in the least that the game was suspended tonight, and fully understand the reasoning behind it. However, I also wouldn't have been offended had it resumed either. In fact, I expected them to. Obviously, most of you would disagree and I respect that, but no need for me to be dishonest....so please don't throw shade...just being genuine. This is an amazingly violent game, and it's borderline miraculous that this doesn't happen more often.

Having said that, this is a fascinating insight tonight as to societal changes that have occurred in America. Perhaps it simply portends that I am getting older (Gen X), but my reaction was to ingest the potential seriousness and gravity of the situation, pray for a positive outcome (heartfelt prayer), and get back to playing ball. I believe that in 1993, they would have. Then it dawned on me that all of these players and most of the coaches/commentators/fans/posters are from a totally different generation from me; have different experiences, reactions, and coping mechanisms. I'm not saying that they are wrong....just different....and tonight was one of those moments that lifted the veil for me. We have moved from the familiar (to me) "let's carry on" to "let's process". Fascinating.

Outstanding post, thanks for sharing this, More folks agree than you might think.
I bet some folks felt pulled in both directions tonight

 

[BassNBrew]

Another thing to take to mind:. Truly awesome job by the medical staff. We are quick to rag on the NFL, refs, etc, but give credit the the medical staff. They saved a life tonight.

It’s crazy to think but read a doc on Twitter who said this is “the best” place to collapse with an issue. Trained people everywhere and very close.

Yep. While any cardiac arrest is terrible, rapid, high quality CPR and immediate access to an AED for a shockable rhythm are best case scenarios. Delays in getting blood circulating causes organ damage, most critically to the brain.

About 90% of people who experience an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest die. A subset of those who don’t suffer permanent brain damage, including some who remain in a vegetative state. Given the circumstances, Hamlin’s arrest was more similar to that occurring in a hospital, where the survival rates are more than twice as high.

So you are saying that he had an 80% chance of dying on the field?

If it had been a pickup game in the local park....sorta (see last line). There with doctors and medics on hand....much lower. Too many variables to give good odds. Was it vfib from the hit? A congenital thing? His age and condition are foactors too. Most 20soemthings don't go into cardiac arrest so historical averages are misleading

Thank you for posting this. I read Term's statement and didn't think about the averages not applying here.

Any of you FF commissioners out there getting questions from your league about how championship game / 3rd place games will be handled?

I said no idea waiting until we learn more tomorrow

Handle it like there had been a hurricane or huge snowstorm. Sit back and wait for the game to be re-scheduled.

 

[Capella]

Any of you FF commissioners out there getting questions from your league about how championship game / 3rd place games will be handled?

I said no idea waiting until we learn more tomorrow

Our title game the guy starting Josh Allen was down 3 points coming in and he had 2.5. Other guy has no players left. I told them to hold off and see but if the game got cancelled I have no idea what I would do. Worry about it later.

 

[renesauz]

Lots of speculation. What if Demar recovers by tomorrow and says play the game?

This isn't out of the realm of possibility if CPR was good. I've seen more then one scary looking arrest turn out very well fairly quickly.
But if it doesn't happen that quickly, it doesn't mean he can't/won't have a full or near full recovery

 

[The General]

Lots of speculation. What if Demar recovers by tomorrow and says play the game?

Let’s have this happen.

 

[renesauz]

Any of you FF commissioners out there getting questions from your league about how championship game / 3rd place games will be handled?

I said no idea waiting until we learn more tomorrow

Our title game the guy starting Josh Allen was down 3 points coming in and he had 2.5. Other guy has no players left. I told them to hold off and see but if the game got cancelled I have no idea what I would do. Worry about it later.

Would hope the guy "winning" by 0.5 in that scenario would be ok with no less then declaring a draw and spliting the pot....if not conceding altogether

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Any of you FF commissioners out there getting questions from your league about how championship game / 3rd place games will be handled?

I said no idea waiting until we learn more tomorrow

My 1st reaction is to declare Co-Champions and take the prize money for 1st and 2nd and split it down the middle
That likely will not be the option others want
I also will allow my league to vote for what's best assuming they don't make this game up which i feel like they might squeeze the game in tomorrow
Just my .02
All the players are there, be very difficult to reschedule and I think somehow just a 16 game schedule for 2 teams gunning for the Playoffs and all other 30 teams forced to play 17 games

No easy answers but a resuming of the game at any time tomorrow seems like a better option vs delaying or canceling, just my opinion

 

[Capella]

Any of you FF commissioners out there getting questions from your league about how championship game / 3rd place games will be handled?

I said no idea waiting until we learn more tomorrow

Our title game the guy starting Josh Allen was down 3 points coming in and he had 2.5. Other guy has no players left. I told them to hold off and see but if the game got cancelled I have no idea what I would do. Worry about it later.

Would hope the guy "winning" by 0.5 in that scenario would be ok with no less then declaring a draw and spliting the pot....if not conceding altogether

Yea we’re all friends so I doubt it’s an issue. More of a curiosity right now but hopefully he makes it through this and things go on.

 

[growlers]

Another thing to take to mind:. Truly awesome job by the medical staff. We are quick to rag on the NFL, refs, etc, but give credit the the medical staff. They saved a life tonight.

It’s crazy to think but read a doc on Twitter who said this is “the best” place to collapse with an issue. Trained people everywhere and very close.

Yep. While any cardiac arrest is terrible, rapid, high quality CPR and immediate access to an AED for a shockable rhythm are best case scenarios. Delays in getting blood circulating causes organ damage, most critically to the brain.

About 90% of people who experience an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest die. A subset of those who don’t suffer permanent brain damage, including some who remain in a vegetative state. Given the circumstances, Hamlin’s arrest was more similar to that occurring in a hospital, where the survival rates are more than twice as high.

I know you know this caveat, but for the rest:
this is a unbelievably unique circumstance so ignore any % speculations. We did NFL training with sophisticated smart mannequins where we use the actual available gameday equipment and run scenarios that were timed with a stopwatch. One of them was this exact scenario. There is an ER doc on the sideline with a bag of equipment whose only job is to save a player in this exact circumstance. We go over all of this at a dedicated 60 minute meeting with all the medical staff, ems, and the head ref. The patient is a world class young athlete with likely no past medical history. Most studies that quote a survival % is all comers, totally skewing the results. Most in hospital cardiac arrests are patients that would otherwise have died regardless

 

[GroveDiesel]

Another thing to take to mind:. Truly awesome job by the medical staff. We are quick to rag on the NFL, refs, etc, but give credit the the medical staff. They saved a life tonight.

It’s crazy to think but read a doc on Twitter who said this is “the best” place to collapse with an issue. Trained people everywhere and very close.

Yep. While any cardiac arrest is terrible, rapid, high quality CPR and immediate access to an AED for a shockable rhythm are best case scenarios. Delays in getting blood circulating causes organ damage, most critically to the brain.

About 90% of people who experience an out-of-hospital cardiac arrest die. A subset of those who don’t suffer permanent brain damage, including some who remain in a vegetative state. Given the circumstances, Hamlin’s arrest was more similar to that occurring in a hospital, where the survival rates are more than twice as high.

If it was Commotio Cordid rather than a typical cardiac arrest, the survival rate seems to be about 58% currently. The sooner the AED is used, the better the odds (at least according to Wikipedia). (And as growlers said, those are stats of all situations including ones where and AED isn’t present or not quickly accessible).

 

[Leroy Hoard]

In the 2020 covid season I remember a game being pushed back to Wednesday.

 

[timschochet]

Lots of speculation. What if Demar recovers by tomorrow and says play the game?

Like Adrian in Rocky II?

 

[menobrown]

In the 2020 covid season I remember a game being pushed back to Wednesday.

Steelers vs Ravens. I can't remember if both teams played the following Sunday, do you recall?

ETA-The Steelers played the following week on Monday and the Ravens played the following week on Tuesday. Not sure how possible any that type of movement is at this point in the season.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

In the 2020 covid season I remember a game being pushed back to Wednesday.

Steelers vs Ravens. I can't remember if both teams played the following Sunday, do you recall?

That might have been made a mnf game, not sure.

 

[BassNBrew]

I know some are yawning from a fantasy perspective as it really is insignificant....on the other hand....

Place	Prize
FFPC Overall Champion	$1.000,000 + Custom FFPC Championship Helmet trophy
2nd	$200,000
3rd	$100,000
4th	$50,000
5th	$25,000
6th	$15,000
7th	$12,500
8th	$10,000

 

[timschochet]

A forfeit is unfair. Just call it a 16 game season and be done with it.

There’s no easy answer here but that is unfair to the Bills (who almost certainly do not care) as they are behind the Chiefs in winning % for the 1 seed and also the Ravens who then can’t catch the Bengals for the north.

Just saying “be done with it” ignores the complexity of the situation.

No you’re right it’s complicated. As I wrote, while I believe at this moment that canceling is the best of several bad outcomes, I could easily be wrong. I’m no expert.

I just want this kid to make it. Then I guess whatever happens is OK.