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[ExaltedOne]

I don't care what they say. Geno was the best qb available IMO and I'm glad I got him.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

I don't care what they say. Geno was the best qb available IMO and I'm glad I got him.

Maybe RBM is trying to blow off steam for his Flacco critism? (which he is still unjustifiably getting even today with the Dalton pick). I feel like both have been discussed to the extent they should and the following summarizes it:Flacco+Can make every throw+Shown he can win a Super Bowl and legitimately win and deserve MVP+Is relatively young and has a lot of postseason experience-Passed on Brees who is almost unamimously agreed upon to be better (although he's older)-Passed on younger, qbs that have higher upside and run the RO dangerously well-Passed on other QB options who are perceived to offer higher upside or a better shot at winning nowBottom Line: Many people disagree with the Flacco selection in favor of alternatives (including me) but there are arguments to be made in favor of the Flacco pick and Flacco was never going to make it back in round 2. If Flacco was the top player on your board, you have to take him and stick to your guns instead of going with the "consensus pick." This is not a pick others agree with but it can't be ruled as egregiously bad because he would be taken later in the round.Geno+Offers many tools you want in a QB prospect and succeeded at the college level-Not proven at the NFL level and unsure how his talent and physical abilities translate to the prosBottom Line: Geno was picked in the late fourth round when there were no more young, proven studs. That means the rest of the players on the board either offered a limited number of prime years left or were unproven players with high potential but a limited track record. At this point, all of the players on the board carried some sizable degree of risk. Combine that with the fact that the rest of the quarterbacks either offer limited upside or presented great risk themselves, the Geno Smith pick can't be ruled as a bad pick. If ExaltedOne holds a strong conviction that Geno Smith will overcome the risks associated with him and will be leading his team for the next 10+ years, then this is a steal of a pick for him.It is foolish to believe that Geno Smith will certainly bust or will certainly be a star. If there was clarity, then the (real life) Chiefs would have an easy selection at 1.1. There is inherent uncertainty and even the people that are paid the big bucks can't bat 1.000. The pick is a high risk, high reward and ExaltedOne apparently believes the gamble is a +EV move. I hope this post ends useless Flacco/Geno bickering for the rest of the thread.

 

[FUBAR]

I don't care what they say. Geno was the best qb available IMO and I'm glad I got him.

I disagree, by a wide margin. There's at least one guy left who has done pretty well in the NFL and would better utilize your WRs.That said, if you like Geno best, cool. For all we know he'll be an all-pro.

 

[ExaltedOne]

You're right of course. I apologize if I upset you RBM.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I don't care what they say. Geno was the best qb available IMO and I'm glad I got him.

I disagree, by a wide margin. There's at least one guy left who has done pretty well in the NFL and would better utilize your WRs.That said, if you like Geno best, cool. For all we know he'll be an all-pro.

Pm me with who that guy is, because I looked at everyone. I really didn't want to go with an older vet because of limited upside. Sure they could hit these two receivers, but so could any nfl qb. I believe that Geno has great short to medium accuracy tht will translate, and these two receivers can make up for any lack of deep ball accuracy with their jump ball skills. Heck manning's arm strength was terrible this year and dt did great, daltons deep accuracy is constantly questioned but green still got his. Geno has a quick release which is something you can't teach.The upside is huge and I think the risk of busting is low in this offense.

 

[Wu-banger]

Think the only issue I have with Geno Smith pick is the fact he probably could have been had a couple rounds later.

Despite how you feel about him you have to realize his perception and this draft class' perception of being a weak QB draft

 

[FUBAR]

I don't care what they say. Geno was the best qb available IMO and I'm glad I got him.

I disagree, by a wide margin. There's at least one guy left who has done pretty well in the NFL and would better utilize your WRs.That said, if you like Geno best, cool. For all we know he'll be an all-pro.

Pm me with who that guy is, because I looked at everyone. I really didn't want to go with an older vet because of limited upside. Sure they could hit these two receivers, but so could any nfl qb. I believe that Geno has great short to medium accuracy tht will translate, and these two receivers can make up for any lack of deep ball accuracy with their jump ball skills. Heck manning's arm strength was terrible this year and dt did great, daltons deep accuracy is constantly questioned but green still got his. Geno has a quick release which is something you can't teach.

Honestly, if you make a list of top FF or statistical QBs from last year and remove those already taken, the answer will be obvious. There may be two actually, but one is clearly better at this point than the other. Upside is relatively limited, but I think it's still higher for the next 3-5 years than Geno. You make a good point with Dalton, and I honestly can't say Geno won't have similar success.

The upside is huge and I think the risk of busting is low in this offense.

That's the thing though, we won't really know that. Geno could be an all-pro with your team and a bust in real life.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Think the only issue I have with Geno Smith pick is the fact he probably could have been had a couple rounds later.Despite how you feel about him you have to realize his perception and this draft class' perception of being a weak QB draft

I couldn't take that risk. 6 teams didn't have a QB and would pick TWICE before I got to pick again. Awesomeauger already said he would have taken him in the 5th. I could have taken someone else, but I really like him and think he's a good fit for my team and what I envision.I know there is a perception that this is a weak draft class, but I really think it's underrated at this point. Tannehill wasn't on anyone's top 32 last season but he went top 10. I think there is a lot of smokescreening going on.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Honestly, if you make a list of top FF or statistical QBs from last year and remove those already taken, the answer will be obvious. There may be two actually, but one is clearly better at this point than the other. Upside is relatively limited, but I think it's still higher for the next 3-5 years than Geno.

There are 3 veteran starters that I considered and one backup as well as all of the other rookies. I don't want to name names here, so I'll just say that for me, all of them have bigger question marks (accuracy, arm strength, injuries, character) than Geno. I think he has all the important tools and the things he doesn't do as well (footwork mainly) can be taught or schemed around. A lot of college QBs played in the spread like Geno, but he played under center his sophomore year. Some people point to his quick offense and say that won't translate, but I really like that he can read defenses, go through his progressions quickly, and get rid of the ball. He threw 42 TDs and only 6 interceptions last season, so we know he can make good decisions.I understand others may not be as high on him as I am.

 

[gandalas]

Sorry for the delay - I got the text message at 10:30 that I was up, but I was already in bed.

With Pick 4.27, the Colts select DE Michael Johnson

With Wake on one side and Johnson on the other, the colts have definitely re-incarnated their pass-rush from Mathis and Freeney in their primes. But this team also has Joe Haden on the back end to pick passes off, which is something that the earlier colts defenses NEVER had.

1.27) Tony Romo, QB

2.7) Joe Haden, CB

3.7) Cameron Wake, DE

4.27) Michael Johnson, DE

Well, I am building an offensive superpower with the 49ers, and seems a defensive squad with these Colts. Talk about role reversal!

 

[RBM]

You're right of course. I apologize if I upset you RBM.

Ha not upset at all. I just could not pass the opportunity to jump on that "not a weak class" comment by one of my biggest Flacco critics. I'm still having fun.But Fubar is right, it's your team and if you think Geno is the right guy for what you want to do, then you had to take him.

 

[RBM]

Sorry for the delay - I got the text message at 10:30 that I was up, but I was already in bed.

With Pick 4.27, the Colts select DE Michael Johnson

With Wake on one side and Johnson on the other, the colts have definitely re-incarnated their pass-rush from Mathis and Freeney in their primes. But this team also has Joe Haden on the back end to pick passes off, which is something that the earlier colts defenses NEVER had.

1.27) Tony Romo, QB

2.7) Joe Haden, CB

3.7) Cameron Wake, DE

4.27) Michael Johnson, DE

Well, I am building an offensive superpower with the 49ers, and seems a defensive squad with these Colts. Talk about role reversal!

I like this defense so far.

 

[Wu-banger]

Not sure if Romo is a QB I would want running my defensive team ...... Too many turnovers and his gun slinger mentally could put a death sentence on a great D by giving the opponents offense a short field.

 

[RBM]

Sorry for the delay - I got the text message at 10:30 that I was up, but I was already in bed.

With Pick 4.27, the Colts select DE Michael Johnson

With Wake on one side and Johnson on the other, the colts have definitely re-incarnated their pass-rush from Mathis and Freeney in their primes. But this team also has Joe Haden on the back end to pick passes off, which is something that the earlier colts defenses NEVER had.

1.27) Tony Romo, QB

2.7) Joe Haden, CB

3.7) Cameron Wake, DE

4.27) Michael Johnson, DE

Well, I am building an offensive superpower with the 49ers, and seems a defensive squad with these Colts. Talk about role reversal!

I like this defense so far.

 

[Nate Blough]

4.28 Baltimore Ravens select Ahtya Rubin

Im gonna roll with a 3-4 and a strong nose tackle is key. With Rubin upfront he'll allow Willis and Kuechly to roam freely.

Can someone update the google doc and also pm whos next. Im at work. Thanks.

 

[Meecrob]

4.29 Houston Selects - Ryan Kalil, C

The opportunity to have two brothers on my O-line is too good to pass up! They both happen to be pretty damn good too.

Matt Kalil, OT

Ryan Kalil, C

Derrelle Revis, CB

Brian Orakpo, OLB

ETA:Skeletoreh PM'ed

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Panthers 4.30 select Derrick Morgan de

Ryan Tannehill

Aaron Hernandez

Patrick Peterson

Derrick Morgan

 

[ExaltedOne]

Panthers 4.30 select Derrick Morgan de

Solid pick

 

[Instinctive]

4.31 Broncos select Andre Smith, OT

I think that people are underestimating the importance of a RT, and they always have. Smith finally seems to have rounded into the form he was supposed to have when drafted, and was one of the best tackles last season, as a balanced blocker in both the passing and running game.

1.31 Joe Thomas, OT

2.02 Nick Mangold, C

3.02 Brandon Marshall, WR

4.31 Andre Smith, OT

 

[JMon348]

Jaguars select:

4.32 Anthony Davis, RT

5.1 Lesean McCoy, RB

Building that line, I think I have the best LT in Duane Brown and now the best RT in Anthony Davis. Jay Cutler getting protected is no longer a problem. McCoy is one of the best running backs in the league and still fairly young. Like his pass catching ability to help Cutler.

Offense:

Jay Cutler

Lesean McCoy

Duane Brown

Anthony Davis

Defense:

Clay Matthews

 

[Instinctive]

Jaguars select:

4.32 Anthony Davis, RT

5.1 Lesean McCoy, RB

Building that line, I think I have the best LT in Duane Brown and now the best RT in Anthony Davis. Jay Cutler getting protected is no longer a problem. McCoy is one of the best running backs in the league and still fairly young. Like his pass catching ability to help Cutler.

Offense:

Jay Cutler

Lesean McCoy

Duane Brown

Anthony Davis

Defense:

Clay Matthews

It really amuses me that each of us thinks we have the best pair of tackles.

 

[JMon348]

4.31 Broncos select Andre Smith, OT

I think that people are underestimating the importance of a RT, and they always have. Smith finally seems to have rounded into the form he was supposed to have when drafted, and was one of the best tackles last season, as a balanced blocker in both the passing and running game.

1.31 Joe Thomas, OT

2.02 Nick Mangold, C

3.02 Brandon Marshall, WR

4.31 Andre Smith, OT

Lol, we had the same idea. We probably have the best two LTs, and RTs.

 

[Instinctive]

5.02 Broncos select Matt Schaub, QB

Had my eye on Schaub for a while now. Very surprised he's still here, and way too afraid he won't be next time to wait any longer. He is a competent QB, capable of huge games, and isn't going to kill you. He's no top 10 guy, but he's not the kind of guy you need to worry about either, kind of like Joe Flacco (just kidding RBM haha).

Now I've got a line, a single dominant receiver, and a QB that can make the throws to him. Kind of reminds me of Schaub's real team.

1.31 Joe Thomas, OT

2.02 Nick Mangold, C

3.02 Brandon Marshall, WR

4.31 Andre Smith, OT

5.02 Matt Schaub, QB

 

[Whoosah]

Dang, was targeting both RTs on the wrap around...nicely done

 

[Instinctive]

Dang, was targeting both RTs on the wrap around...nicely done

Thanks!I was going to take Schaub and then one of Davis/Smith, but realized how dumb I'd be with ebok already sitting on Cutler. So I took the RT I preferred lol.In other news, PM sent to Skeletor.

 

[FUBAR]

Jaguars select:

4.32 Anthony Davis, RT

5.1 Lesean McCoy, RB

Building that line, I think I have the best LT in Duane Brown and now the best RT in Anthony Davis. Jay Cutler getting protected is no longer a problem. McCoy is one of the best running backs in the league and still fairly young. Like his pass catching ability to help Cutler.

Offense:

Jay Cutler

Lesean McCoy

Duane Brown

Anthony Davis

Defense:

Clay Matthews

Can McCoy catch Cutler's 100 mph passes?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

His defense looks a little weak.

Well we're only 4 picks in. Everyone's team looks weak with only 4 players

It was a joke of course.

 

[FUBAR]

5.02 Broncos select Matt Schaub, QB

Had my eye on Schaub for a while now. Very surprised he's still here, and way too afraid he won't be next time to wait any longer. He is a competent QB, capable of huge games, and isn't going to kill you. He's no top 10 guy, but he's not the kind of guy you need to worry about either, kind of like Joe Flacco (just kidding RBM haha).

Now I've got a line, a single dominant receiver, and a QB that can make the throws to him. Kind of reminds me of Schaub's real team.

1.31 Joe Thomas, OT

2.02 Nick Mangold, C

3.02 Brandon Marshall, WR

4.31 Andre Smith, OT

5.02 Matt Schaub, QB

Well done. Schaub will have all day to wait until Marshall gets open. Schaub's the guy I thought would go ahead of Geno and even debated vs. Dalton - almost didn't take either, expecting one could fall. ETA: one major exception to the bolded, they have a defense.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

5.03 Carolina panthers select lavonte david, lb

Ryan Tannehill

Aaron Hernandez

Patrick Peterson

Derrick Morgan

Lavonte david

 

[Wu-banger]

with the 3rd Round reverse format the guys looking to build a great O -Line were rewarded ....

two amazing lines pairing the two best LT's with the two best RT's.

ETA ...with McCoy being snatched too I really hate this turn!!

 

[AwesomeAuger]

5.02 Broncos select Matt Schaub, QB

Had my eye on Schaub for a while now. Very surprised he's still here, and way too afraid he won't be next time to wait any longer. He is a competent QB, capable of huge games, and isn't going to kill you. He's no top 10 guy, but he's not the kind of guy you need to worry about either, kind of like Joe Flacco (just kidding RBM haha).

Now I've got a line, a single dominant receiver, and a QB that can make the throws to him. Kind of reminds me of Schaub's real team.

1.31 Joe Thomas, OT

2.02 Nick Mangold, C

3.02 Brandon Marshall, WR

4.31 Andre Smith, OT

5.02 Matt Schaub, QB

Well done. Schaub will have all day to wait until Marshall gets open. Schaub's the guy I thought would go ahead of Geno and even debated vs. Dalton - almost didn't take either, expecting one could fall.

Schaub was the guy I was considering at 4.25. He's a very solid quarterback who can win you games but I don't like his limited upside relative to where we are in the draft.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Well done. Schaub will have all day to wait until Marshall gets open. Schaub's the guy I thought would go ahead of Geno and even debated vs. Dalton - almost didn't take either, expecting one could fall.

Schaub was the guy I was considering at 4.25. He's a very solid quarterback who can win you games but I don't like his limited upside relative to where we are in the draft.

Age + injuries + never thrown 30TDs even in a great offense =

 

[Meecrob]

5.04 Houston Selects - Chance Warmack - G

The Kalil brothers new best friend. This guy is an absolute mauler. Houston's O-Line is staring to look nasty!

Matt Kalil - OT

Ryan Kalil - C

Chance Warmack -G

Derrelle Revis - CB

Brian Orakpo - OLB

 

[ExaltedOne]

5.04 Houston Selects - Chance Warmack - G

Wow nice pick I was really hoping he'd fall.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just because this class isn't ridiculous like 2012 does not mean it's weak. I believe Geno is the best of the class and it's not close IMO.

Oh stop....this is a very weak qb class. Very rare to not see a qb go in the top 5. We may not see one go in the top 10.

I'd list the great QBs that didn't go top 10 in the NFL draft, but you drafted Flacco.2011 had 4 QBs go in the top 12. Is that a great class?

No but the only way we can evaluate these guys is where they get drafted until they step on a field. How are we supposed to evaluate your team with a guy who has never played a down as your starting qb?

Isn't is possible that he drafts a veteran later in the draft to start for him team during the first season?

 

[Instinctive]

Well done. Schaub will have all day to wait until Marshall gets open. Schaub's the guy I thought would go ahead of Geno and even debated vs. Dalton - almost didn't take either, expecting one could fall.

Schaub was the guy I was considering at 4.25. He's a very solid quarterback who can win you games but I don't like his limited upside relative to where we are in the draft.

Age + injuries + never thrown 30TDs even in a great offense =

Ehh. 32. You must not know me well, because for years now I've been the biggest proponent on the board that Schaub, Stafford, etc are not injury prone but rather just got unlucky 2 years in a row.He doesn't need to throw 30 TDs.

 

[RBM]

5.04 Houston Selects - Chance Warmack - GThe Kalil brothers new best friend. This guy is an absolute mauler. Houston's O-Line is staring to look nasty!Matt Kalil - OTRyan Kalil - CChance Warmack -GDerrelle Revis - CBBrian Orakpo - OLB

Wow...some of the best guards in football are available.

 

[RBM]

Just because this class isn't ridiculous like 2012 does not mean it's weak. I believe Geno is the best of the class and it's not close IMO.

Oh stop....this is a very weak qb class. Very rare to not see a qb go in the top 5. We may not see one go in the top 10.

I'd list the great QBs that didn't go top 10 in the NFL draft, but you drafted Flacco.2011 had 4 QBs go in the top 12. Is that a great class?

No but the only way we can evaluate these guys is where they get drafted until they step on a field. How are we supposed to evaluate your team with a guy who has never played a down as your starting qb?

Isn't is possible that he drafts a veteran later in the draft to start for him team during the first season?

Thought we were just drafting starters.

 

[Meecrob]

5.04 Houston Selects - Chance Warmack - GThe Kalil brothers new best friend. This guy is an absolute mauler. Houston's O-Line is staring to look nasty!Matt Kalil - OTRyan Kalil - CChance Warmack -GDerrelle Revis - CBBrian Orakpo - OLB

Wow...some of the best guards in football are available.

Yep, if I'm starting a team for the next 10-15 years though; I'm going with youth. I have also seen this guy described as the best football player in the draft so I dont think his talent is questioned.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Ehh. 32. You must not know me well, because for years now I've been the biggest proponent on the board that Schaub, Stafford, etc are not injury prone but rather just got unlucky 2 years in a row.He doesn't need to throw 30 TDs.

I understand why you'd take him here if you feel that way. He's certainly been a top 15 QB when healthy, but I wonder for how much longer? Are you paying for his past performance or future?

 

[Nate Blough]

5.05 Baltimore Ravens select Ray Rice.

Gives Rivers a steady guy to hand the ball off to.

 

[Instinctive]

Ehh. 32. You must not know me well, because for years now I've been the biggest proponent on the board that Schaub, Stafford, etc are not injury prone but rather just got unlucky 2 years in a row.He doesn't need to throw 30 TDs.

I understand why you'd take him here if you feel that way. He's certainly been a top 15 QB when healthy, but I wonder for how much longer? Are you paying for his past performance or future?

Dude, he's 32. Not 36. Plenty of time to groom a replacement.

 

[gandalas]

With the 5.6 pick, the Colts select WR Vincent Jackson.

Had to get a top WR...Jackson is 6-5 and has speed to burn.

1.27) Tony Romo, QB

2.6) Joe Haden, CB

3.6) Cameron Wake, DE

4.27) Michael johnson, DE

5.6) Vincent Jackson, WR

 

[AwesomeAuger]

I sent a pre-pick to Whoosah. I'll have limited access for the next couple of hours. If my guy is taken, feel free to send me an email specified in the first post.

 

[RBM]

5.05 Baltimore Ravens select Ray Rice. Gives Rivers a steady guy to hand the ball off to.

This was my pick. Need a few to re group

 

[ExaltedOne]

The stud runningback market is starting to dry up.

 

[RBM]

5.7 Buffalo Bills - Tamba Hali, OLB

Not too many established, legit pass rushers available so not too big a deal to go this route. Should get consistent production from him for the next few years. He and Ngata are a nice start for this D.

1.26 Haloti Ngata, NT

2.7 Joe Staley, LT

3.7 Mike Iupati, LG

4.26 Marshall Yanda, RG

5.7 Tamba Hali, OLB

 

[gandalas]

5.6 Buffalo Bills - Tamba Hali, OLB

Not too many established, legit pass rushers available so not too big a deal to go this route. Should get consistent production from him for the next few years. He and Ngata are a nice start for this D.

5.7

 

[RBM]

AwesomeAuger sent a list?

 

[Whoosah]

5.8 Chiefs select Jared Veldheer, LT (per his PM to me)

I will be making my pick shortly