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Why the hell not? He's been banged up, but what he's done in PITT behind that line is impressive. He wins big games and has shown he can handle more of the load, as his defense has gotten older. Ben is a franchise QB. There's nothing more important than that on your roster. And I am not suggesting Flacco should be a top 6 pick. But he isn't Rex Grossman. He isn't 2011 Joe Flacco, even.
Measure leadership? How about by doing just what Flacco just did, WTF? I thought that was pretty obvious.You measure leadership by stats? Your username is perfect. Cam and Kaep are better than Flacco? You really want to stick with that?
Fixed it sorry. I am OTC but misread the text thinking I was up.My bad.
This is a steal.
Great pick. I had forgotten about Ben in my last post (although I still would have taken Atkins).
I agree with this. I have no problem with anyone's selections so far. I just would have taken a different player first. I don't think anyone has been taken who should have lasted to round 2.
Completely agree
I think Brees is the unabashed steal of the draft at this point. I think he should have gone top 5, definitely ahead of Newton and Flacco and Wilson, probably ahead of RG3, and I wouldn't argue if someone took at him at 1.02 over Luck. There really isn't a player outside of Rodgers, Brees, Brady and Manning who is a unanimous elite QB over the last several years. Brees has a more proven history of ability here than anyone including Rodgers... 4 years of the last 7 he's led the league in passing yards. Rodgers is really the only guy who can make any claim at being as productive, and his age should make him the consensus top pick.Brees is going to be 34 this season, so you are close to a lock to get 3-4 years of elite level QB play from him plus a chance at another 2 or so at a high level and possibly still elite.A lot of the QBs taken ahead of him are going to give more years of above average or very good play, but when you look at the odds of each individual to able to do what Brees has shown he can, the odds are poor that that each will will attain that level of play, especially after Luck.I don't think the order QBs were taken reflect the value of having a truly elite player who is proven to be able to carry any semblance of a normal team. It took an NFL historic worst defense and loss of their coach to knock the Saints down from the playoffs this year.Flacco for example had a good year. It's a reason to uptick our opinion of him yes. But that's because he played much better over the course of a season and in the playoffs, not because he ended up with a Super Bowl ring. If we have any kind of realistic view of a player, it would not change much just because of a game result that can swing on a single play. We shouldn't have seen previously Flacco as someone incapable of winning a championship when he was a dropped pass from making it to the Super Bowl in 2011, nor should we assume he is suddenly as good of a QB as Brady, etc, just because he made it and won one this year when he could easily have been knocked out of the playoffs against Denver without any change to what he did in the game being needed, or by the 49ers in the Super Bowl. Have one WR drop a pass or have Rice fumble a scoop and score and a view based "on he's a Super Bowl champion" would change since wouldn't be, despite Flacco's abilities never changing one iota.Flacco may go on to become the next elite QB, the next Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Manning. But it's a gamble to think he can attain that level. Right now we know he's good enough he can contribute significantly to winning a Super Bowl. But we haven't seen him show enough consistently that he's a marquee QB that will consistently be the primary reason his team is a contender. So far he's had success do to a very complete surrounding team, and often it was his passing that was the weaker part of his team. He might be changing that, but I wouldn't feel confident saying he's there now when we know Brees has been doing it for a half decade.
This is awesome. Thanks for doing and sharing this, those involved.
I had the third pick and was deciding between Brees and rg3. I was going back and forth and can't blame anyone for preferring brees. As someone had stated before, he's the type of qb that will make your offense, allowing you to focus on defense knowing brees can carry the offense with lesser receivers than a guy like flacco, Ben, Eli, Wilson and others might need
FTFYBoth are quiet guys. It is easy to automatically label them as leaders after their team wins a superbowl, but I wouldn't call them leaders any more than I would call Matt Hasselback or Carson Palmer a leader.
Great post
1000% agree
Also a great post. UNDRAFTEDS should remain anonymous.
I never understood this. Can you guys elaborate on why its bad form.
All I will say on this is that my view of Flacco is not based on just being a "Super Bowl champion". It's mostly based on what he did the last two post seasons. 15 tds and 1 int. I mean I don't care what your personal views on the guy are, but those numbers cannot be ignored. They are as good as any qb that's ever played. He outplayed Manning and Brady on their home fields and then on the biggest stage had his way with the best D in the league.
My bad. I wasn't thinking when I wrote my explanation. Won't happen again.
Just don't want to put a player , no matter how obvious, in someones mind if he wasn't thinking of him.I never understood this. Can you guys elaborate on why its bad form.
This is correct. Sorry for the hiccup.
I stand corrected...I see it , just never received the email or pop up notification.
Damn I really was hoping he fell to me. Great pick 33.5 sacks in the first 2 years is sick.
Aldon Smith is a great pass rusher, but I think he benefited greatly from UNDRAFTED DE. When said DE was out, Aldon was pedestrian.
