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[RBM]

I'm shocked that Drew Brees was available at 1.09 and taken after Flacco, Watt, and Newton. He's one of those quarterbacks that makes your team playoff bound even if your draft outside of the first round is only average compared to the rest of the teams. He just turned 34 so he still has a good 5 or so years left. Gandalas has to be thrilled.

Very hard for me to choose Flacco over him, but the age and size were the deciding factors. I disagree with the 5 good yrs comment. I'd say more like 2-3 at his current level.

Yes, I was VERY happy. Now that I have a complete stud at the QB position, I can go wherever the draft takes me with my later picks.

Exactly. I feel the same way. Rodgers and Brees don't need grade A talent around them on offense to be successful. If I started with a Flacco or a Newton for example I would feel like I would have to invest early on offense to put them in a position to succeed. With Rodgers, I feel like I could focus on defense early if the board dictated that and still have one of the best offenses in the league.

You don't think the current Ravens have a ton of offensive talent do you? We just saw them pick on the best D in the league on the biggest stage. Really wondered if Flacco would still need defended after what he just did, yet I'm still surprised that I have to. I mean I'd rather have Rodgers but to lump him in with Newton is pretty disrespectful.

 

[Late225]

1.13 Patriots select Eli Manning

Multi super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.

on phone, sorry for spelling

 

[Wu-banger]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

 

[RBM]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

I'm shocked that Drew Brees was available at 1.09 and taken after Flacco, Watt, and Newton. He's one of those quarterbacks that makes your team playoff bound even if your draft outside of the first round is only average compared to the rest of the teams. He just turned 34 so he still has a good 5 or so years left. Gandalas has to be thrilled.

Very hard for me to choose Flacco over him, but the age and size were the deciding factors. I disagree with the 5 good yrs comment. I'd say more like 2-3 at his current level.

Yes, I was VERY happy. Now that I have a complete stud at the QB position, I can go wherever the draft takes me with my later picks.

Exactly. I feel the same way. Rodgers and Brees don't need grade A talent around them on offense to be successful. If I started with a Flacco or a Newton for example I would feel like I would have to invest early on offense to put them in a position to succeed. With Rodgers, I feel like I could focus on defense early if the board dictated that and still have one of the best offenses in the league.

You don't think the current Ravens have a ton of offensive talent do you? We just saw them pick on the best D in the league on the biggest stage. Really wondered if Flacco would still need defended after what he just did, yet I'm still surprised that I have to. I mean I'd rather have Rodgers but to lump him in with Newton is pretty disrespectful.

Stepping back for a moment, when you made your Flacco pick originally, I said "I don't agree with it, but Flacco would not be available in the second round. If Flacco was his top player, he has to take him. For that reason, I can't criticize any of the picks so far. " I don't disagree with your pick or think it's bad at all.Having said that, my personal preference would be to take Brees over Flacco and by a good margin. Before this last year, Flacco has always had an elite team around him that he could rely on and one of the best backs in the game. This past year, he improved tremendously and has taken on a lot more responsibility. His limited record of handling the increased responsibility and carrying his team would make me opt for Brees, who has repeatedly shown he can put the team on his back. However, Flacco's growth this past year makes me understand your pick.

Edit: and in regards to lumping Cam with him, Flacco's current level does exceed Newton. However, Cam's physical skillset does give him the potential to be the best in the league. Considering upside and growth, I don't think it's disrespectful to lump those two together. 3 years ago, would it have been disrespectful to lump Flacco with Brees?

 

[ExaltedOne]

Any thoughts on my selection of Matt Ryan? Too high? Too low? Just right?

 

[Warrior]

The Oakland Raiders select

1.14 Peyton Manning QB

Our franchise will be Super Bowl contenders from day 1. Peyton was agruably the best QB in the entire league in 2012. We will worry about selecting our QB of the future in subsequent drafts.

Happy to have potentially the greatest QB of all time leading our offense. There may be no other player in the league that has as big of a positive impact on offense in 2014.

EST

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Any thoughts on my selection of Matt Ryan? Too high? Too low? Just right?

Just right. Ryan is one of the coveted quarterbacks in this draft that can be a team's franchise QB. Ryan is only 27 and has no gaping holes in his game. Very solid pick.

 

[Nate Blough]

Ryan was great pick. I was hoping to get him 16th. I personally would have taken him over Kaep Wilson Griffin.

 

[Instinctive]

I had to pick between JJ, Cam, and Calvin at my spot. I wanted all upside, and Calvin's young, but I eventually decided that ANY WR this early isn't a great pick, even one of the best of all time.

Maybe 1.11 works, maybe not. I think there are bigger dropoffs and more important positions elsewhere. That's why this will be so cool to look back on!!!!!

 

[Skeletore Eh]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

This made me wonder Eli's age, 32, so I don't know why it's unbelievable to take someone that is ten years younger, who is coming off a better season. Side note, did anyone know Eli's first name is Elisha? Made me laugh

 

[Meecrob]

Hitting the bar; back in a couple of hours to make the Texans pick; if we get there...

 

[RBM]

Any thoughts on my selection of Matt Ryan? Too high? Too low? Just right?

Can't argue with it. He showed me a lot in his two playoff games this year and he is just entering his prime.

 

[RBM]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

This made me wonder Eli's age, 32, so I don't know why it's unbelievable to take someone that is ten years younger, who is coming off a better season. Side note, did anyone know Eli's first name is Elisha? Made me laugh

All these guys are so talented, I guess I put a lot of stock in guys who I know can lead a team to a title. And 32 would not scare me off.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Lots of crazy with some of those first picks.

 

[HellToupee]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

Says the guy who took Flacco 6th

 

[RBM]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

Says the guy who took Flacco 6th

Yeah crazy pick. No way you can win a title with Flacco.

 

[FUBAR]

Ryan was great pick. I was hoping to get him 16th. I personally would have taken him over Kaep Wilson Griffin.

Ryan is a very good QB but I just don't think he has the intangibles Wilson has. I could be wrong of course, maybe he'll bust. Part of the fun here though is taking the players YOU want to build around. Brees would be far better in the Madden sim of course...

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

Says the guy who took Flacco 6th

Yeah crazy pick. No way you can win a title with Flacco.

Not drafting him at 7 you wont. Even the Ravens knew to wait until 18.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I would have taken Rodgers, Luck or RG3 over Ryan for sure. I like him better than Kaep or the old guys though. I'd definitely prefer him over Flacco FWIW.

 

[Warrior]

I see a pattern. Looking back, you took Trent Dilfer at 1.06 in the 2001 Build a FRANCHISE draft as well.

 

[JMon348]

Whicker will pick within the hour.

 

[RBM]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

Says the guy who took Flacco 6th

Yeah crazy pick. No way you can win a title with Flacco.

Not drafting him at 7 you wont. Even the Ravens knew to wait until 18.

Maybe I'll prove to be a better GM than Ozzie

 

[Concept Coop]

This is awesome. Thanks for doing and sharing this, those involved.

 

[RBM]

I would have taken Rodgers, Luck or RG3 over Ryan for sure. I like him better than Kaep or the old guys though. I'd definitely prefer him over Flacco FWIW.

I considered him when I took Flacco. Can I ask what you base your preference of Ryan on though? I like Ryan a lot but couldn't justify taking him over Flacco.

 

[HellToupee]

I think with a RG3 , Newton , Kaep you build a different O than with Reckless. Two different paths , neither one wrong. It will be interesting to see how the teams gel

 

[Skeletore Eh]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

This made me wonder Eli's age, 32, so I don't know why it's unbelievable to take someone that is ten years younger, who is coming off a better season. Side note, did anyone know Eli's first name is Elisha? Made me laugh

All these guys are so talented, I guess I put a lot of stock in guys who I know can lead a team to a title. And 32 would not scare me off.

32 wouldn't scare me off either, but if I'm starting a franchise, an extra 8-10 years is a big deal. Not only playing football, but also from a marketability standpoint.

 

[IHEARTFF]

No surprise that Flacco guy liked the Eli pick. Those 2 are the biggest reaches in the draft so far.

Brees at 1.9 is the best value thus far.

 

[Warrior]

1.13 Patriots select Eli ManningMulti super bowl winning quarterback in mid first seems like a no brainer. Still has a shot to be greatest ever but his time is running out and he probably needs two more super bowl victories. If he plays as long as Peyton - he has many years left.on phone, sorry for spelling

very hard for me to see any scenario where Eli is the greatest ever ......very hard.

Like Eli a lot but I agree with this. Can't believe guys like Griffin, Newton and Wilson went ahead of him.

This made me wonder Eli's age, 32, so I don't know why it's unbelievable to take someone that is ten years younger, who is coming off a better season. Side note, did anyone know Eli's first name is Elisha? Made me laugh

All these guys are so talented, I guess I put a lot of stock in guys who I know can lead a team to a title. And 32 would not scare me off.

32 wouldn't scare me off either, but if I'm starting a franchise, an extra 8-10 years is a big deal. Not only playing football, but also from a marketability standpoint.

Too much emphasis being placed on age so far IMO.

 

[Spin]

Concerned about Dolfan, still hasn't sent me his number, and he hasn't posted in here since agreeing to take over.

If Dolfan ends up being a no show. I can take over his picks if needed.

 

[JMon348]

Concerned about Dolfan, still hasn't sent me his number, and he hasn't posted in here since agreeing to take over.

If Dolfan ends up being a no show. I can take over his picks if needed.

ok great, thanks. I'll let you know. I have PM'd him twice with no response, we will see when it gets to his pick.

 

[FUBAR]

Not drafting him at 7 you wont. Even the Ravens knew to wait until 18.

Yeah, that Brady pick is a huge reach too, he's a bum.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I would have taken Rodgers, Luck or RG3 over Ryan for sure. I like him better than Kaep or the old guys though. I'd definitely prefer him over Flacco FWIW.

I considered him when I took Flacco. Can I ask what you base your preference of Ryan on though? I like Ryan a lot but couldn't justify taking him over Flacco.

That's an interesting question. Talent-wise, I think they are about equal and they are the same age. Flacco has obviously done well in the playoffs and won a Superbowl, but how much of that is him and how much of that is a great defense and coaching staff? Ryan has made the playoffs 4/5 years and with a MUCH less talented team.Ryan holds the record for Most Regular Season wins by a quarterback in his first five seasons: 56 Flacco has never thrown for more than 3817 yards, Matt Ryan has done it twice.Flacco has never thrown for more than 25 TDs, Matt Ryan has done it 3 times.In today's NFL, if I'm going to take a QB this early I want him to throw for 4500+ yards and 30+ TDs AND/OR be a major threat on the ground. Flacco does not do either.Also, I don't know what it is about him, but I don't like Flacco's personality.

 

[RBM]

No surprise that Flacco guy liked the Eli pick. Those 2 are the biggest reaches in the draft so far.

Yeah all that talent, leadership, plus Super Bowl rings....soooo overrated.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Any word from Whicker?

 

[Warrior]

No surprise that Flacco guy liked the Eli pick. Those 2 are the biggest reaches in the draft so far.

Yeah all that talent, leadership, plus Super Bowl rings....soooo overrated.

I didn't realize you got Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, Osi, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, etc. along with them.Maybe I should have drafted Rex Grossman in the first round, since QB's are getting all the credit for defenses that carried their teams to Super Bowls.

 

[Whicker]

1.15 Cardinals select Geno Atkins, DT

The only QB left really to consider here is Matt Stafford. I don't really trust his mechanics or injury history enough to pull the trigger. Atkins is only 25 and has established himself as one of, if not the top DT in the league today. I believe that Atkins can be the foundation for an elite D-line which will in turn lead to a better defense in all facets.

 

[IHEARTFF]

No surprise that Flacco guy liked the Eli pick. Those 2 are the biggest reaches in the draft so far.

Yeah all that talent, leadership, plus Super Bowl rings....soooo overrated.

How do you measure leadership? Super Bowl rings are a team effort and a bad argument for why you would pick 1 player over another. Brees, Cam, Peyton, Kaepernick & Ryan are all better QBs. Also, the guy who picked Calvin Johnson is likely to get a similar qb to Flacco in round 2. Calvin + QB16 >>>>>>>>> Flacco + #5WR.

 

[ExaltedOne]

1.15 Cardinals select Geno Atkins, DTThe only QB left really to consider here is Matt Stafford. I don't really trust his mechanics or injury history enough to pull the trigger. Atkins is only 25 and has established himself as one of, if not the top DT in the league today. Only Ngata, IMO, compares and Atkins has four years on him. I believe that Atkins can be the foundation for an elite D-line which will in turn lead to a better defense in all facets.

I really like this pick. Pass rushers are key and Atkins is amazing in that regard.

 

[FUBAR]

1.15 Cardinals select Geno Atkins, DTThe only QB left really to consider here is Matt Stafford. I don't really trust his mechanics or injury history enough to pull the trigger. Atkins is only 25 and has established himself as one of, if not the top DT in the league today. Only Ngata, IMO, compares and Atkins has four years on him. I believe that Atkins can be the foundation for an elite D-line which will in turn lead to a better defense in all facets.

 

[FUBAR]

I would have taken Rodgers, Luck or RG3 over Ryan for sure. I like him better than Kaep or the old guys though. I'd definitely prefer him over Flacco FWIW.

I considered him when I took Flacco. Can I ask what you base your preference of Ryan on though? I like Ryan a lot but couldn't justify taking him over Flacco.

That's an interesting question. Talent-wise, I think they are about equal and they are the same age. Flacco has obviously done well in the playoffs and won a Superbowl, but how much of that is him and how much of that is a great defense and coaching staff? Ryan has made the playoffs 4/5 years and with a MUCH less talented team.Ryan holds the record for Most Regular Season wins by a quarterback in his first five seasons: 56

Flacco has never thrown for more than 3817 yards, Matt Ryan has done it twice.

Flacco has never thrown for more than 25 TDs, Matt Ryan has done it 3 times.

In today's NFL, if I'm going to take a QB this early I want him to throw for 4500+ yards and 30+ TDs AND/OR be a major threat on the ground. Flacco does not do either.

Also, I don't know what it is about him, but I don't like Flacco's personality.

but then we get to include Gonzo, Roddy, and Jones vs. whatever Baltimore has thrown out there...

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Damn, I was targeting Atkins at 25. I guess I never had a chance.

 

[Concept Coop]

I didn't realize you got Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, Osi, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, etc. along with them.Maybe I should have drafted Rex Grossman in the first round, since QB's are getting all the credit for defenses that carried their teams to Super Bowls.

He had one of the best post-seasons ever. And since you bring it up - look at the QBs who have won SuperBowls the last decade plus. Brady, Roethlisberger, and Eli Manning were all "bus drivers" when they won their first rings. They then win on go GREATLY increase their production from that point on. I am not saying Flacco will join them, but he is still getting better and winning a ring is a very good sign moving forward.

 

[RBM]

Here are the questions I asked myself when considering a qb.

- Does he have what it takes to lead a team, upstairs?

- Is him arm strong enough to make all throws?

- Is he durable?

- Has he shown he can put it all on his shoulders and win a big game?

I understand the lure of these athletic, incredibly talented young guys. Potential is thru the roof. But if we were really going to lace up, I can't see passing on guys that have proven they can carry a team in a big game. And guys like Eli and Flacco and Brees and one other that is surprisingly (to me) still available, we are not talking about mediocre talents, these guys can sit back and chuck it as good as anybody in the league.

This is fun though. Would be boring if we all agreed.

 

[ExaltedOne]

That's an interesting question. Talent-wise, I think they are about equal and they are the same age. Flacco has obviously done well in the playoffs and won a Superbowl, but how much of that is him and how much of that is a great defense and coaching staff? Ryan has made the playoffs 4/5 years and with a MUCH less talented team.

Ryan holds the record for Most Regular Season wins by a quarterback in his first five seasons: 56

Flacco has never thrown for more than 3817 yards, Matt Ryan has done it twice.

Flacco has never thrown for more than 25 TDs, Matt Ryan has done it 3 times.

In today's NFL, if I'm going to take a QB this early I want him to throw for 4500+ yards and 30+ TDs AND/OR be a major threat on the ground. Flacco does not do either.

Also, I don't know what it is about him, but I don't like Flacco's personality.

but then we get to include Gonzo, Roddy, and Jones vs. whatever Baltimore has thrown out there...

Baltimore has good offensive weapons too in Smith, Boldin, and Rice. Flacco's defense SHOULD be providing more opportunities for him to put up yards/TDs, but the results aren't there.

 

[HellToupee]

1.15 Cardinals select Geno Atkins, DTThe only QB left really to consider here is Matt Stafford. I don't really trust his mechanics or injury history enough to pull the trigger. Atkins is only 25 and has established himself as one of, if not the top DT in the league today. Only Ngata, IMO, compares and Atkins has four years on him. I believe that Atkins can be the foundation for an elite D-line which will in turn lead to a better defense in all facets.

love it

 

[JAA]

That's an interesting question. Talent-wise, I think they are about equal and they are the same age. Flacco has obviously done well in the playoffs and won a Superbowl, but how much of that is him and how much of that is a great defense and coaching staff? Ryan has made the playoffs 4/5 years and with a MUCH less talented team.

Ryan holds the record for Most Regular Season wins by a quarterback in his first five seasons: 56

Flacco has never thrown for more than 3817 yards, Matt Ryan has done it twice.

Flacco has never thrown for more than 25 TDs, Matt Ryan has done it 3 times.

In today's NFL, if I'm going to take a QB this early I want him to throw for 4500+ yards and 30+ TDs AND/OR be a major threat on the ground. Flacco does not do either.

Also, I don't know what it is about him, but I don't like Flacco's personality.

but then we get to include Gonzo, Roddy, and Jones vs. whatever Baltimore has thrown out there...

Baltimore has good offensive weapons too in Smith, Boldin, and Rice. Flacco's defense SHOULD be providing more opportunities for him to put up yards/TDs, but the results aren't there.

Exactly the opposite. Atls defense is giving Atl more opportunities to throw the ball. THe Bal DEF is giving the Bal offense more times to run the ball.Flacco hater here FYI

 

[JMon348]

Damn where did Nate Blough go, he was typing. I texted Shake Zula, and he said he will be picking shortly.

 

[Warrior]

I didn't realize you got Michael Strahan, Justin Tuck, Osi, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, etc. along with them.Maybe I should have drafted Rex Grossman in the first round, since QB's are getting all the credit for defenses that carried their teams to Super Bowls.

He had one of the best post-seasons ever. And since you bring it up - look at the QBs who have won SuperBowls the last decade plus. Brady, Roethlisberger, and Eli Manning were all "bus drivers" when they won their first rings. They then win on go GREATLY increase their production from that point on. I am not saying Flacco will join them, but he is still getting better and winning a ring is a very good sign moving forward.

You're using Roethlisberger as an argument to draft Flacco in the top 6 players overall in the NFL?

 

[RBM]

No surprise that Flacco guy liked the Eli pick. Those 2 are the biggest reaches in the draft so far.

Yeah all that talent, leadership, plus Super Bowl rings....soooo overrated.

Maybe I should have drafted Rex Grossman in the first round, since QB's are getting all the credit for defenses that carried their teams to Super Bowls.

Well comparing Grossman to Flacco and Eli tells me everything I need to know about you.And for the record, the Ravens have not had a great defense in a number of years. Good sure, but not great.