FUBAR
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Are we doing a clock on weekends?
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ExaltedOne
Footballguy
We were on such a roll this morning I thought for sure I'd be up again by now. :(
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Its been 4 hours. Fubar is now OTC
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Anybody ever contact Shake?
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
PM sent.Interesting pick... I wouldn't consider drafting a backup QB after investing a 4th on a starting QB. If you didn't think he was your franchise QB, why select him that early?
I don't think it's about whether or not he's a franchise quarterback. I think it's about how bad the team could be if someone like Curtis Painter was your backup.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Saying he will "compete with Dalton" kind of implies Mallett could be starter over Dalton. Regardless, I don't think backup QBs go until round 20+, after starters for both sides have been taken.
FUBAR
Footballguy
There are a few reasons at play here. First, mallet is simply BPA.Second, i actually like Dalton but like the packers showed, when a talented qb falls far enough, it doesn't hurt to sit on him a few years.Third, while we are trying to make these teams work as a unit, i can't justify passing on a guy who could easily be a Pro bowl QB for an average ol or other position who will probably be out of the league in A few years. Finally, if we go far enough, everyone will take a backup qb eventually, i just took mine early.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Yes. While i like Dalton, we all know he isn't Aaron Rodgers. Why not have him compete?
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I really like Mallett and think someone should have selected him to be their starter over some of the players already selected (and I think there are two teams without a QB). However, I think Dalton is really solid and I would have gone after another player to compliment him instead of a guy to compete with him/back him up this early. I think Mallett is a steal here but probably not the best pick for your team.
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ExaltedOne
Footballguy
FYI yesterday Duckboy said to skip him after 1 hour even on weekends.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I PMed Bamac to let him know he'll be up at 5pm EST
Instinctive
Footballguy
picked a while ago'8ebok24 said:
Instinctive
Footballguy
Damn it. I really wanted him at the coming turn. New plan!(nice pick)
Nucker101
Footballguy
Good pick. He was the other player I considered to be BPA.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
This may seem crazy but...
14.22 Cleveland Browns select Tony Gonzalez, TE
I know it's just a one year rental but he's still arguably the best TE in the game. Having a reliable outlet like Gonzo will definitely make Geno's transition even easier. I can find a developmental TE in later rounds to learn from him for a year.
I believe I have the best offense in the league. Now I can focus on defense.
Offense
4.22 QB Geno Smith
3.11 HB C.J. Spiller
13.11 FB Marcel Reece
1.22 WR A.J. Green
2.11 WR Demaryius Thomas
14.22 TE Tony Gonzalez
5.11 LT William Beatty
12.22 LG Rob Sims
8.22 OC John Sullivan
11.11 RG Louis Vasquez
7.11 RT Gosder Cherilus
Defense
10.22 CB Derek Cox
6.22 S Reshad Jones
9.11 S Troy Polamalu
14.22 Cleveland Browns select Tony Gonzalez, TE
I know it's just a one year rental but he's still arguably the best TE in the game. Having a reliable outlet like Gonzo will definitely make Geno's transition even easier. I can find a developmental TE in later rounds to learn from him for a year.
I believe I have the best offense in the league. Now I can focus on defense.
Offense
4.22 QB Geno Smith
3.11 HB C.J. Spiller
13.11 FB Marcel Reece
1.22 WR A.J. Green
2.11 WR Demaryius Thomas
14.22 TE Tony Gonzalez
5.11 LT William Beatty
12.22 LG Rob Sims
8.22 OC John Sullivan
11.11 RG Louis Vasquez
7.11 RT Gosder Cherilus
Defense
10.22 CB Derek Cox
6.22 S Reshad Jones
9.11 S Troy Polamalu
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I PMed Helltoupee
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
I had Cole's name written down but changed it to Hatcher at the last second at 14.1AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
That offense has some serious speed. Gonzo is your slowest player on offense outside of OL.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Should make for some high scoring games if geno can hack it.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
If Geno can't then they aren't going to win many games with the defense the Browns will be fielding.
JMon348
Footballguy
Rookie qb with the leagues worst defense is a bad combo. Smith isn't even close to last years qbs. Going to be interested to see how you fill this out. If Smith is a bust this is my 32nd favorite team..
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
For anyone worried about the Browns not having enough targets to go around, here are some expected target #s:
C.J. Spiller: 75-100 (55 in 2012)
Marcel Reece: 75-100 (57 in 2012)
A.J. Green: 125-150 (158 in 2012)
Demaryius Thomas: 125-150 (138 in 2012)
Tony Gonzalez: 100-125 (121 in 2012)
Other receivers/backs/TEs: 50-100
Total: 550-725
11 QBs had over 550 attempts in 2012, and I see those numbers going up across the board over time. Andrew Luck had 627 attempts as a rookie, but he scrambled more than I expect Geno to (he's fast enough but prefers to stay in the pocket).
I expect that the rookie QB will utilize the RB and FB more than they have in their current systems due to his inexperience and also because of the offense he ran in college.
C.J. Spiller: 75-100 (55 in 2012)
Marcel Reece: 75-100 (57 in 2012)
A.J. Green: 125-150 (158 in 2012)
Demaryius Thomas: 125-150 (138 in 2012)
Tony Gonzalez: 100-125 (121 in 2012)
Other receivers/backs/TEs: 50-100
Total: 550-725
11 QBs had over 550 attempts in 2012, and I see those numbers going up across the board over time. Andrew Luck had 627 attempts as a rookie, but he scrambled more than I expect Geno to (he's fast enough but prefers to stay in the pocket).
I expect that the rookie QB will utilize the RB and FB more than they have in their current systems due to his inexperience and also because of the offense he ran in college.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
It may look like the worst defense now but I still see plenty of good players. The secondary is going to be above average, which I think is important for this team.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
On the other hand, if Geno Smith is a star, that's one of my favorite teams.It's interesting because the Browns have spent the most picks overall and the most early picks on offense. However, despite spending so much more than the other teams, I wouldn't consider them in my top 3 offenses. I consider the the Saints, Steelers, and Cowboys to each be better in terms of ceiling to floor ratio. Those 3 teams also have a better defensive core in my opinion.
I think comparing the Saints, Steelers, Cowboys, and Browns really shows the advantage of having an early pick/established franchise QB. (Freeman isn't one necessarily but I'd rather roll the dice on Freeman than Geno at this point.)
RBM
Footballguy
Always hard for any dbacks to do their job when there is no pass rush.
HellToupee
Footballguy
skip please sorry
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
As a Skins fan, you should remember the pre-Shanahan era where the Skins failed to generate any sort of consistent pass rush. Part of it was the vanilla play calling but a big part of it was also lack of talent.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I agree with the bolded. Obviously a lot is riding on Geno Smith, but I don't think any rookie QB has ever inherited such a great offense. Most teams bad enough to draft the top QB don't have this kind of talent. Geno was extremely productive and accurate in college, he doesn't rely on his legs to make plays, and he doesn't turn the ball over.As for the other offensive squads I think the Browns are better, but obviously I'm biased.
Cowboys - Similar QB at best (Freeman has been just OK), much worse RB, much worse FB, WRs may be a tad bit better, TE is much worse, C, RG, and RT are much worse. So basically they might have a little bit better WRs. Browns win.
Saints - Better QB, much worse RB, much worse FB, WRs are worse, TE is much worse, o-line is much worse across the board. Only way this is a better offense is if Geno is a total bust.
Steelers - Better QB, much worse RB, much worse FB, WRs are probably a little worse, TE is much worse, left o-line may be slightly better but right side is much worse. Again the only way this is a better offense is if Geno is a total bust.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
We'll see. I think there are plenty of pass-rushers still out there.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I PMed Whoosah
14.24 - Dolphins select, Chris Hairston OT
Not too many viable right tackles left so figure to get the last of the bunch before the drop off. He's been only in the league for two seasons so there is a lot of growth/development in him. Will need to improve his pass protection, but should be better than average on the run. This completes my offensive line. Now.... who will be the QB, choices
Offense
2.09 - Russell Okung, LT
3.09 - Randall Cobb, WR
6.24 - Josh Sitton, OG
8.24 - Stefen Wisniewski, C
10.09 - Jeremy Maclin, WR
12.24 - John Greco, OG
14.24 - Chris Hairston, RT
Defense:
1.24 - Navorro Bowman, LB
4.24 - Robert Quinn, DE
5.09 - Charles Tillman, DB
7.09 - Jabaal Sheard, DL/LB
9.09 - Morgan Burnett, FS
11.09 - Colin McCarthy, LB
13.09 - Donte Whitner, SS
Not too many viable right tackles left so figure to get the last of the bunch before the drop off. He's been only in the league for two seasons so there is a lot of growth/development in him. Will need to improve his pass protection, but should be better than average on the run. This completes my offensive line. Now.... who will be the QB, choices
Offense
2.09 - Russell Okung, LT
3.09 - Randall Cobb, WR
6.24 - Josh Sitton, OG
8.24 - Stefen Wisniewski, C
10.09 - Jeremy Maclin, WR
12.24 - John Greco, OG
14.24 - Chris Hairston, RT
Defense:
1.24 - Navorro Bowman, LB
4.24 - Robert Quinn, DE
5.09 - Charles Tillman, DB
7.09 - Jabaal Sheard, DL/LB
9.09 - Morgan Burnett, FS
11.09 - Colin McCarthy, LB
13.09 - Donte Whitner, SS
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
My point was that overall, yes your team has better talent outside of QB on offense than those 3 teams. However, I would prefer to have the other 3 offenses more because I prefer their quarterbacks and think they mesh with the offensive talent around them well. I greatly prefer Rodgers and Cam to Geno. Rodgers and Cam have top 5 talent around themselves offensively. The last team may differ from person to person, but I prefer Freeman to Geno enough to overcome the differences outside of QB... and I don't even think the difference is as clear as you think. Calvin, Wallace, and Austin is such a nasty combination of receivers. Is OL should be above average. Ertz I don't know enough about to comment on.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
14.25 Chiefs select Ed Reed, FS
Yes he is old. However, my defense, and more generally my entire team, is incredibly young and in need of a leader. Reed still plays at a high level and fits my defensive scheme where I plan on playing a lot of a single-high safety. Reed's range isn't what it was 5-10 years ago but not many people in the history of the league did have his range.
Offense
QB Ryan Nassib 13.8
RB Marshawn Lynch 8.25
WR Torrey Smith 9.8
TE Martellus Bennett 11.8
LT Jared Veldheer 5.8
RT Phil Loadholt 7.8
Defense
DE Calais Campbell 2.8
NT Marcell Dareus 3.8
DE Sharrif Floyd 6.25
ILB Dannell Ellerbe 12.25
OLB Brandon Graham 4.25
CB Richard Sherman 1.25
CB Tarell Brown 10.25
FS Ed Reed 14.25
Yes he is old. However, my defense, and more generally my entire team, is incredibly young and in need of a leader. Reed still plays at a high level and fits my defensive scheme where I plan on playing a lot of a single-high safety. Reed's range isn't what it was 5-10 years ago but not many people in the history of the league did have his range.
Offense
QB Ryan Nassib 13.8
RB Marshawn Lynch 8.25
WR Torrey Smith 9.8
TE Martellus Bennett 11.8
LT Jared Veldheer 5.8
RT Phil Loadholt 7.8
Defense
DE Calais Campbell 2.8
NT Marcell Dareus 3.8
DE Sharrif Floyd 6.25
ILB Dannell Ellerbe 12.25
OLB Brandon Graham 4.25
CB Richard Sherman 1.25
CB Tarell Brown 10.25
FS Ed Reed 14.25
Just realizing I have a receiver and TE from the Jags. I like them though 
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I thought long and hard about taking him over Gonzalez. Lewis has been a bit of a disappointment lately receiving but part of that is probably terrible QB play. He's been one of the best blocking TEs in the league the last few years.
Meecrob
Footballguy
Ex I think you are past the point of objectivity and letting your bias take over. I like your offense don't get me wrong. But consider the below...- How can Freeman be a similar QB to Geno at BEST when Geno has yet to play a snap? Shouldn't it be more like " Freeman is a better QB at LEAST until Geno can prove otherwise?'ExaltedOne said:
- Much worse rb....well yea I haven't drafted one yet.
- I won't be drafting a FB as the spread O will not use one so no basis of comparison to your team.
- Much worse TE... Ertz is a rookie so it should be more like Gonzales is a better TE at least until Ertz can prove otherwise, and by default he will in 2 seasons when Tony G retires.
- I'm confused why Rookie vs vet Geno got the free pass in your first statement and is already at least as good as Freeman, but Ertz did not get the same treatment when comparing to your TE?
- C and RG I don't have yet so no basis of comparison... And my RT was the best pass blocking Tackle r or l, in the league last year, so disagree that your rt is better.
Again I like your offense; just want to point out that some of these arguments u are making don't make sense to me at least.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Winston Justice was the best...? Based on what?
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
I ultimately chose Reed because he was the BPA for my team. I am not going to take a player I think is clearly inferior due to age.'FUBAR said:
