AwesomeAuger
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William Munny
Footballguy
Well built offense, nice job. D ain't stopping anybody
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
What's wrong with the D? i've got a bunch of guys who can get to the QB, and Williams is a beast in the middle, My linebackers are fast and talented. The corners are fine, not excellent but serviceable. The safeties combined for 12 picks last season.
FUBAR
Footballguy
You won't stop a decent run game and you will have the same problem at LB as i do in the secondary. inexperience. But at least i have champ while Jones isn't all that good. Your best defense will be your own run game.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
OK I can see that. Inexperience at LB will be an issue and I'm sure there will be some mistakes made. However, we've seen a lot of linebackers come in and be great right away. Jones did pretty well and he's played inside and out in a 3-4 and 4-3 (in college) so he can help these guys. You're right though, keeping these guys fresh with my run game is the key, and I think they can get pressure and make big plays when they are ahead.
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
It looks like he's following my Saint's philosophy: use your offense to get a lead early and make the other team abandon the run. With the Saints, I see Nickel/Dime being used more than my base 4-3. My DL players individually are best at pressuring the quarterback, as opposed to stopping the run, by my own design.
William Munny
Footballguy
Who is getting to the qb? I don't see anyone you can count on for 10+ sacks. I like Mingo but who knows what he will be. Jones and Wright are nice players but nothing special. I don't know....just not an impressive D. Just my opinion though.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Maybe nobody will get 10+ sacks, but i think Liuget, Dunlap, and all of the linebackers can get 5-10 each. The thing about this defense is I can lineup in a lot of different ways and send just about anyone. Jordan and Mingo are projected top 15 picks for a reason.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Dunlap might get eaten up in a 34 , Jordan is special imo while I think Mingo is highly overrated & I;m not to enthused about your back end
HellToupee
Footballguy
Now the offense while not spectacular should be very good. I could see it being an efficient enough passing threat while able to run
William Munny
Footballguy
I think a lot of it will boil down to how one evaluates the rookies. For me personally I'm trying to put as much stock into proven performance as possible.
William Munny
Footballguy
This sums up your problem perfectly. In one post I'm saying how I like Mingo and in the next post Hell is saying he doesn't. And neither of us know who will be right.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
And we probably won't know for a few years, if even then. He may go to a terrible situation or not get along with coaches and disappear, or he could go to the right place and be the next DeMarcus Ware.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
On the other hand, the same could be said for any player. Maybe the guys with proven production are in the perfect situation with coaches that trust them. We see it every year where these stud free agents get big contracts and then stink it up in their new locale.
23.20 Patriots Select Brock Osweiler - Huge quarterback who can make all the throws. Decision making is a question mark as well as accuracy, but I think he's good enough that the wheels won't fall off our team if Eli goes down. ::fingers crossed:: (Ponder would have been nice here...)
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Since we've gotten through 22 rounds I went ahead and ranked everyone's pass and run blocking based on the players they have so far. How I did this was I took their 2012 PFF Pass and Run block ratings for each offensive lineman, fullback, and tightend and added them up for each team and ranked them. I then adjusted the rankings based on age/upside of the players. Here's what I came up with:
Pass Blocking1 Browns2 Broncos3 Titans4 Dolphins5 Bengals6 Patriots7 Vikings8 Jaguars9 Giants10 Eagles11 49ers12 Bears13 Bucs14 Saints15 Chiefs16 Texans17 Raiders18 Cardinals19 Jets20 Packers21 Lions22 Skins23 Ravens24 Cowboys25 Steelers26 Rams27 Chargers28 Seahawks29 Panthers30 Colts31 Bills32 FalconsRun Blocking 1 Bills2 Broncos3 Chiefs4 Giants5 Titans6 Jaguars7 Dolphins8 Rams9 49ers10 Browns11 Skins12 Jets13 Bengals14 Steelers15 Lions16 Raiders17 Colts18 Packers19 Eagles20 Bears21 Panthers22 Saints23 Chargers24 Texans25 Vikings26 Cardinals27 Cowboys28 Ravens29 Falcons30 Seahawks31 Bucs32 Patriots
Pass Blocking1 Browns2 Broncos3 Titans4 Dolphins5 Bengals6 Patriots7 Vikings8 Jaguars9 Giants10 Eagles11 49ers12 Bears13 Bucs14 Saints15 Chiefs16 Texans17 Raiders18 Cardinals19 Jets20 Packers21 Lions22 Skins23 Ravens24 Cowboys25 Steelers26 Rams27 Chargers28 Seahawks29 Panthers30 Colts31 Bills32 FalconsRun Blocking 1 Bills2 Broncos3 Chiefs4 Giants5 Titans6 Jaguars7 Dolphins8 Rams9 49ers10 Browns11 Skins12 Jets13 Bengals14 Steelers15 Lions16 Raiders17 Colts18 Packers19 Eagles20 Bears21 Panthers22 Saints23 Chargers24 Texans25 Vikings26 Cardinals27 Cowboys28 Ravens29 Falcons30 Seahawks31 Bucs32 Patriots
Thanks for doing this and it's very interesting. Looks like the top O-line in terms of overall balance for the pass and run are: Broncos, Dolphins, Bills, Giants and Jaguars
Can't complain about that for my team =D
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FUBAR
Footballguy
If the top 3 lines as to pass protection have geno Smith, Matt Schaub and Russell Wilson, i like my chances to have a good offense.
If the top five as to running have Ingram, Lacy, Lynch, SJax, and David Wilson, that's a plus.
Of course, we aren't done yet. Our next guard will pull us back some.
If the top five as to running have Ingram, Lacy, Lynch, SJax, and David Wilson, that's a plus.
Of course, we aren't done yet. Our next guard will pull us back some.
William Munny
Footballguy
Bills at 31 with Staley, Iupati, and Yanda plus a good blocking TE doesn't seem right.
Instinctive
Footballguy
They're #1 in run blocking though. Seems about right to me, as none of those guys are known for pass pro work...
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
22.30 Carolina panthers select mike Patterson DT
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Massie and Konz really hurt the pass protection numbers for that team. They combined for -27 pass blocking. If they were 0s for example the team would rank 13th in pass blocking. Unfortunately they were a liability last season and that is the data I had to use.
Also note I have no data for rookies or anyone who was out all of last season, so those players did not affect the numbers positively or negatively.
I know it's not a perfect system, but it's the simplest thing I could use that uses actual data.
As for adjustments, here's what I did:
1. I added up the numbers and ranked team (raw ranking)
2. I came up with an adjustment number for each team. This was pretty simple. No player at the position is -1. A player 30 years or older is -1. A rookie is 0. A player 26-29 is 0. A player 25 or younger is +1. Most teams were around -2.
3. I applied the adjustment to the raw rankings, so a 5 ranking with a -2 adjustment became 7.
4. I reordered them using the adjusted rankings so the lowest adjusted ranking became 1, the next lowest 2, etc. In ties I favored the teams with the better raw ranking.
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
22.03 Philadelphia eagles select Mohammed sanu wr
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
23.03 Carolina panthers select Danny woodhead rb
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
The Saints OL is about where I expect them to be in the rankings. Slightly above average in pass protection and below average in run blocking. With the offense I plan to run, the interior line is crucial to my scheme. I can use my RB/TE to chip edge rushers but my interior line must be dependable. Running primarily a spread offense should also make it more difficult for defenses to blitz.
Chiefs as the #3 run blocking OL is what I was aiming for.
Chiefs as the #3 run blocking OL is what I was aiming for.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Yeah I was really happy when I looked at the results. I wanted the Browns and Bengals to have good pass protection. I should note that if I didn't count Tony Gonzalez's whopping -17.1 run blocking to the Browns, they would be #3 or #4 in that category. I was a bit disappointed in the Bengals ratings, but I know part of that is that I favored zone blockers rather than taking the best overall linemen.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
I'll update these in a few rounds once all of the remaining holes are filled.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
3 posts above. Unless Patterson was takenAwesomeAuger said:
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AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
Also, Rams still top 10 in run blocking makes me feel good. I knew pass pro would be bad, but with that defense...runs and play action will be everything anyway.
gandalas
Footballguy
Bills are #1 in Run and #31 in Pass. How the heck is that balanced? My Niners look good to me...#11 pass, #9 Run. Quite good considering how long I waited on some of the guys there.
gandalas
Footballguy
With the 23.24 pick, the Niners select FB Jed Collins
Continue the Fullback run! Collins is a good blocking FB with decent hands that Brees is familiar with. Will help get my Run Blocking rating up, as he was rated quite well in that area last season and is still very young.
Continue the Fullback run! Collins is a good blocking FB with decent hands that Brees is familiar with. Will help get my Run Blocking rating up, as he was rated quite well in that area last season and is still very young.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
23.25 Garrett Reynolds G Steelers
sorry was hung up @ work
sorry was hung up @ work
HellToupee
Footballguy
Kind of surprised to see all the FBs that are being picked.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
23.26 Rams (instinctive) select Ahmard Hall, FB
And the run continues...
And the run continues...
William Munny
Footballguy
23.27 Bears - Jacquizz Rodgers, RB
Perfect compliment to Ridley
Perfect compliment to Ridley
Technically you have the best and worst. And so it is average, but give the nod to the elite run blocking. Don't question the logic, I was tired when I posted that =PBills are #1 in Run and #31 in Pass. How the heck is that balanced? My Niners look good to me...#11 pass, #9 Run. Quite good considering how long I waited on some of the guys there.
ExaltedOne
Footballguy
Fubar and Skeletore skipped, Wu-Banger on the clock
AwesomeAuger
Footballguy
23.32 Saints select Joel Dreessen, TE
24.1 Saints select James-Michael Johnson, WLB
Dreessen is insurance if Kelce is a complete bust. A balanced TE who excels in blocking and is sufficient enough as a receiving threat. If Kelce plays to the level I hope, then Dreessen allows 2 TE sets to be a viable option.
James-Michael Johnson is my top WLB and my "need" pick of the turn. The pickings are slim at WLB and he's best of the rest on my board.
Offense
QB Aaron Rodgers 1.1
HB Frank Gore 17.32
WR Dwayne Bowe 8.1
WR Pierre Garcon 10.1
WR Reggie Wayne 12.1
TE Travis Kelce 20.1
TE Joel Dreessen 23.32
LT Marcus Gilbert 18.01
LG Kory Lichtensteiger 13.32
C Will Montgomery 9.32
RG Chris Chester 11.32
RT Bryan Bulaga 7.32
DefenseDE Michael Bennett 5.32
DT Jason Hatcher 14.1
DT Kendall Reyes 15.32
DE Dwight Freeney 16.1
SLB Nick Roach 21.32
MLB Bobby Wagner 4.1
WLB James-Michael Johnson 24.1
CB Lardarius Webb 2.32
CB Chris Harris Jr. 6.1
CB Chris Cook 24.1
FS Eric Weddle 3.32
Special Teams
K Blair Walsh 19.32
24.1 Saints select James-Michael Johnson, WLB
Dreessen is insurance if Kelce is a complete bust. A balanced TE who excels in blocking and is sufficient enough as a receiving threat. If Kelce plays to the level I hope, then Dreessen allows 2 TE sets to be a viable option.
James-Michael Johnson is my top WLB and my "need" pick of the turn. The pickings are slim at WLB and he's best of the rest on my board.
Offense
QB Aaron Rodgers 1.1
HB Frank Gore 17.32
WR Dwayne Bowe 8.1
WR Pierre Garcon 10.1
WR Reggie Wayne 12.1
TE Travis Kelce 20.1
TE Joel Dreessen 23.32
LT Marcus Gilbert 18.01
LG Kory Lichtensteiger 13.32
C Will Montgomery 9.32
RG Chris Chester 11.32
RT Bryan Bulaga 7.32
DefenseDE Michael Bennett 5.32
DT Jason Hatcher 14.1
DT Kendall Reyes 15.32
DE Dwight Freeney 16.1
SLB Nick Roach 21.32
MLB Bobby Wagner 4.1
WLB James-Michael Johnson 24.1
CB Lardarius Webb 2.32
CB Chris Harris Jr. 6.1
CB Chris Cook 24.1
FS Eric Weddle 3.32
Special Teams
K Blair Walsh 19.32
