Build a FRANCHISE draft (1 Viewer)

[shake zula]

Matt Stafford, QBAlfred Morris, RBLarry Fitzgerald, WRRoddy White, WRJermichael Finley, TE

Jonathon Scott, RT

Richie Incognito, GMike Pouncey, CGeoff Schwartz, GBryant McKinnie, LTPaul Soliai, DT

Antonio Dixon, DTVernon Olivier, DEAlex Okafor, DE/OLBJames Laurinaitis, MLBKarlos Dansby, WLB

James Anderson, SLBDarius Slay, CBSean Smith, CBBrandon Meriweather, SLaRon Landry, S

Yeremiah Bell, FS

Marcus Gilchrist, CB

Jared T. Odrick, DE/DT

 

[William Munny]

What pick is that Shake?

 

[ExaltedOne]

Awesomeauger skipped. Whoosah is up.

 

[Whoosah]

25.09 - Dolphins select DJ Moore, CB

Pretty solid nickel/dime cornerback that has a knack for the ball.

Offense

QB - Nick Foles

RB - Vick Ballard/Robert Turbin

FB - Jerome Felton

WR - Randall Cobb/Jeremy Maclin/Brian Quick

TE - Rob Housler

LT - Russell Okung

LG - Josh Sitton

C - Stefen Wisniewski

RG - John Greco

RT - Chris Hairston

Defense

RE - Robert Quinn

DT - Sammie Lee Hill

DT - Roy Miller

LE - Robert Ayers

OLB - Colin McCarthy/Jabaal Sheard

MLB - Navorro Bowman

CB - Charles Tillman/Jimmy Smith/DJ Moore

SS - Donte Whitner

FS - Morgan Burnett

 

[AwesomeAuger]

25.8 Chiefs select Dan Bailey, K

After taking Walsh for the Saint some time ago, you know I'm a big proponent of having a good, young kicker in this format.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

#### Exalted, I'll makeup in a second.

 

[Bamac]

What pick is that Shake?

I entered it as 24.16 -- make up pick.

 

[HellToupee]

what are wr on a 23 minute clock

 

[HellToupee]

25.10 Da'Norris Searcy S Falcons

 

[ExaltedOne]

oh you're right I jumped the gun a bit

 

[JMon348]

Helltoupee skipped. I'm up.

Not to cause waves, but why was he skipped after 22 minutes?

 

[ExaltedOne]

AA, Bailey is yours, I'll repick.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

AA, Bailey is yours, I'll repick.

Alright thanks Exalted.

Offense
QB Ryan Nassib 13.8
RB Marshawn Lynch 8.25
FB Bruce Miller 22.25
WR Torrey Smith 9.8

WR Emmanuel Sanders 18.25
WR A.J. Jenkins 23.8
TE Martellus Bennett 11.8LT Jared Veldheer 5.8
LG Kevin Boothe 19.8
C Fernando Velasco 15.8
RG Uche Nwaneri 21.8RT Phil Loadholt 7.8

Defense

DE Calais Campbell 2.8

NT Marcell Dareus 3.8

DE Sharrif Floyd 6.25
ILB Dannell Ellerbe 12.25
ILB Jameel McClain 20.25OLB Brandon Graham 4.25
OLB Brooks Reed 15.8CB Richard Sherman 1.25

CB Tarell Brown 10.25
CB Corey Graham 24.25
FS Ed Reed 14.25
SS Glover Quin Jr. 16.25

Special Teams
K Dan Bailey 25.8

 

[ExaltedOne]

25.11 Cleveland Browns select Kai Forbath, K

The most accurate kicker in the league last year. I don't expect this offense to stall very often, but when they do they won't walk away without points. He's only 25, so the Browns won't need to worry about the position for a long, long time.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Helltoupee skipped. I'm up.

Not to cause waves, but why was he skipped after 22 minutes?

Just an accident. I thought Whoosah had picked at 10:30

 

[ExaltedOne]

25.12 Chargers (Wu-Banger) select Robert Mathis, OLB/DE

 

[Bamac]

Kickers are prima donnas. I'll take a punter.

Bucs, 25.13: Andy Lee, P

 

[Bamac]

25.12 Chargers (Wu-Banger) select Robert Mathis, OLB/DE

No way he should've lasted 10 rounds later than Freeney. Good pick. Would've made it last round if I was paying attention.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Kickers are prima donnas. I'll take a punter.Bucs, 25.13: Andy Lee, P

Is it mean to say that this is a great pick for this team?

 

[Bamac]

Kickers are prima donnas. I'll take a punter.Bucs, 25.13: Andy Lee, P

Is it mean to say that this is a great pick for this team?

...that's the real reason I went P over PK.

 

[Bamac]

Kickers are prima donnas. I'll take a punter.Bucs, 25.13: Andy Lee, P

Is it mean to say that this is a great pick for this team?

In other words, yes it's mean, but it's also accurate.

 

[Duckboy]

25.14 PK Alex Henery

 

[ExaltedOne]

So, we haven't heard from Nucker in a long time now. Would someone like to take over his team from here?

 

[Instinctive]

The kickers are insane. Not just in fantasy, but in real life, kickers are basically a crapshoot. Even the good ones. Take a look at some of Grantland's stuff in the last year or two.

Now, a guy like Zuerlein is surely an advantage over other kickers...but not so big that we should be saying things like "Need to lock up a good, young kicker." That is simply false - you want to, but kicking distance an accuracy is fairly random year to year, even for a guy like Janikowski. Just look at his last 5 years or so...

 

[AwesomeAuger]

The kickers are insane. Not just in fantasy, but in real life, kickers are basically a crapshoot. Even the good ones. Take a look at some of Grantland's stuff in the last year or two.

Now, a guy like Zuerlein is surely an advantage over other kickers...but not so big that we should be saying things like "Need to lock up a good, young kicker." That is simply false - you want to, but kicking distance an accuracy is fairly random year to year, even for a guy like Janikowski. Just look at his last 5 years or so...

I'd rather maximize my chances of getting a top kicker who could be in this league for 10-15+ years than take a backup who would play a limited role.

 

[gandalas]

Possibly True, but kick power is generally not variable, and kickoff strength is also important. Instead of getting a more accurate kicker that needs replaced on kickoffs (see Garrett Hartley vs John Carney on Saints 2010 and 2011), you only need 1 roster spot, rather than 2. EDIT: Replying to post 2 above that questioned the wisdom of taking a kicker.

 

[Instinctive]

The kickers are insane. Not just in fantasy, but in real life, kickers are basically a crapshoot. Even the good ones. Take a look at some of Grantland's stuff in the last year or two.

Now, a guy like Zuerlein is surely an advantage over other kickers...but not so big that we should be saying things like "Need to lock up a good, young kicker." That is simply false - you want to, but kicking distance an accuracy is fairly random year to year, even for a guy like Janikowski. Just look at his last 5 years or so...

I'd rather maximize my chances of getting a top kicker who could be in this league for 10-15+ years than take a backup who would play a limited role.

Right. I'm saying that's dumb. Because top kickers don't provide that much of an advantage.

Who gives a #### if he's in the league 10-15 years from now? You're not signing him to a 10 year contract. #smh

 

[gandalas]

The kickers are insane. Not just in fantasy, but in real life, kickers are basically a crapshoot. Even the good ones. Take a look at some of Grantland's stuff in the last year or two.

Now, a guy like Zuerlein is surely an advantage over other kickers...but not so big that we should be saying things like "Need to lock up a good, young kicker." That is simply false - you want to, but kicking distance an accuracy is fairly random year to year, even for a guy like Janikowski. Just look at his last 5 years or so...

I'd rather maximize my chances of getting a top kicker who could be in this league for 10-15+ years than take a backup who would play a limited role.

Right. I'm saying that's dumb. Because top kickers don't provide that much of an advantage.

Who gives a #### if he's in the league 10-15 years from now? You're not signing him to a 10 year contract. #smh

I'll just reply this again, since it was not replied to before:

Possibly True, but kick power is generally not variable, and kickoff strength is also important. Instead of getting a more accurate kicker that needs replaced on kickoffs (see Garrett Hartley vs John Carney on Saints 2010 and 2011), you only need 1 roster spot, rather than 2. Thus, getting a young guy who can boot it (and is still fairly accurate), is important in my eyes.

 

[FUBAR]

Isa Abdul-Quddus, SS

Might just be a role player for now, but I like his potential.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

How much of an advantage does a backup at another position offer compared to your starting kicker? I wouldn't characterize any of the remaining players on the board as having a big impact. Plus at this point, boards differ quite a bit so the chances I can get my top rated players in round n+1 is pretty high. The top rated kickers are ranked basically the same across everybody's board.

 

[FUBAR]

How much of an advantage does a backup at another position offer compared to your starting kicker? I wouldn't characterize any of the remaining players on the board as having a big impact. Plus at this point, boards differ quite a bit so the chances I can get my top rated players in round n+1 is pretty high. The top rated kickers are ranked basically the same across everybody's board.

Yep. Frankly, I'm just taking players I like at this point. My board has been decimated and I'll need to re-tool this weekend.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

The kickers are insane. Not just in fantasy, but in real life, kickers are basically a crapshoot. Even the good ones. Take a look at some of Grantland's stuff in the last year or two.

Now, a guy like Zuerlein is surely an advantage over other kickers...but not so big that we should be saying things like "Need to lock up a good, young kicker." That is simply false - you want to, but kicking distance an accuracy is fairly random year to year, even for a guy like Janikowski. Just look at his last 5 years or so...

I'd rather maximize my chances of getting a top kicker who could be in this league for 10-15+ years than take a backup who would play a limited role.

Right. I'm saying that's dumb. Because top kickers don't provide that much of an advantage.

Who gives a #### if he's in the league 10-15 years from now? You're not signing him to a 10 year contract. #smh

My previous post was in response to this one.

Also the contract information was never specified. I'd imagine we would be having all of these players for at least 4 seasons. This is build a FRANCHISE draft, not build the best team for 2013 draft.

 

[Instinctive]

I'll just reply this again, since it was not replied to before:

I'd rather maximize my chances of getting a top kicker who could be in this league for 10-15+ years than take a backup who would play a limited role.

The kickers are insane. Not just in fantasy, but in real life, kickers are basically a crapshoot. Even the good ones. Take a look at some of Grantland's stuff in the last year or two.

Now, a guy like Zuerlein is surely an advantage over other kickers...but not so big that we should be saying things like "Need to lock up a good, young kicker." That is simply false - you want to, but kicking distance an accuracy is fairly random year to year, even for a guy like Janikowski. Just look at his last 5 years or so...

Right. I'm saying that's dumb. Because top kickers don't provide that much of an advantage.

Who gives a #### if he's in the league 10-15 years from now? You're not signing him to a 10 year contract. #smh

Possibly True, but kick power is generally not variable, and kickoff strength is also important. Instead of getting a more accurate kicker that needs replaced on kickoffs (see Garrett Hartley vs John Carney on Saints 2010 and 2011), you only need 1 roster spot, rather than 2. Thus, getting a young guy who can boot it (and is still fairly accurate), is important in my eyes.

With the move of the kickoff line this past season, kick power, especially on kickoffs, matters even less.

And the number of 50+ yard FGA isn't that high either, even for the guys who try them consistently.

So sure, there's a little value in power (agreeing with you) but I think you dramatically overrate its impact.

 

[Instinctive]

The kickers are insane. Not just in fantasy, but in real life, kickers are basically a crapshoot. Even the good ones. Take a look at some of Grantland's stuff in the last year or two.

Now, a guy like Zuerlein is surely an advantage over other kickers...but not so big that we should be saying things like "Need to lock up a good, young kicker." That is simply false - you want to, but kicking distance an accuracy is fairly random year to year, even for a guy like Janikowski. Just look at his last 5 years or so...

I'd rather maximize my chances of getting a top kicker who could be in this league for 10-15+ years than take a backup who would play a limited role.

Right. I'm saying that's dumb. Because top kickers don't provide that much of an advantage.

Who gives a #### if he's in the league 10-15 years from now? You're not signing him to a 10 year contract. #smh

My previous post was in response to this one.

Also the contract information was never specified. I'd imagine we would be having all of these players for at least 4 seasons. This is build a FRANCHISE draft, not build the best team for 2013 draft.

I agree. A 10-15 years statement is still irrelevant at this type of position. Your QB? Yeah, you'll keep him around that long if he pans out. A kicker? You can always find a serviceable kicker. Ever notice which NFL teams franchise and give good contracts to kickers? Only the ones with poor management. Just take a look, there's a clear trend.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Fine, replace the scope for 4-5 years. My point remains the same. It's round 25, people already have their starters and crucial sub-package players for the most part. I could take another sub-package player or backup but I view that player as a player with a relatively low impact and a player I could probably get in the next round.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

Regarding Nucker:

Nucker101Member Since 24 Jul 2011
OFFLINE Last Active Today, 03:39 AM

I'm not sure if he forgot about this or what...

 

[Meecrob]

24.11 Dallas Make-up Pick Ahmad Bradshaw RB

 

[ExaltedOne]

Shake skipped. Nate is up.

 

[Meecrob]

Houston Make-up Picks

24.29 Brady James MLB

25.04 Terrance williams WR

 

[Instinctive]

Fine, replace the scope for 4-5 years. My point remains the same. It's round 25, people already have their starters and crucial sub-package players for the most part. I could take another sub-package player or backup but I view that player as a player with a relatively low impact and a player I could probably get in the next round.

At this point in time, I'd be willing to bet decent money that a sub for either line, backups/CoP RBs, and some backup QBs (injury) will ABSOLUTELY see the field more and impact the game as much or more than kickers taken now will give an advantage over kickers taken later.

Let's be absolutely clear: I don't mind, because I'm happy to wait much longer and continue to get those players who will see the field and be of more use to my team...but I thought the point and discussion would be interesting to make and to have.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Houston Make-up Picks

24.29 Brady James MLB

25.04 Terrance williams WR

Great pick. Williams could be one of the first receivers taken in the draft. He could definitely begin the season as your starter.

 

[William Munny]

I'm on the side that the backups we are picking now are more valuable than a kicker. Between special teams and giving valuable breather to your top guys, especially late in a game or late in a season, these guys we are picking now will be in just as big a spot as your kicker. And I just don't see much of a difference in most of these kickers.

 

[ExaltedOne]

I'm on the side that the backups we are picking now are more valuable than a kicker. Between special teams and giving valuable breather to your top guys, especially late in a game or late in a season, these guys we are picking now will be in just as big a spot as your kicker. And I just don't see much of a difference in most of these kickers.

On the flip side, there's only a handfull of good kickers in the league, and plenty of backup/st level players. Also on the backup/st players everyone is going to have different values so value can fall multiple rounds where top kickers are pretty clear-cut.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Nate skipped.

25.18 Cardinals (Whicker) select E.J. Biggers, CB

Nucker skipped.

Late225 is up

 

[Duckboy]

I'm in meetings for the next few hours, so please skip me and I will make up when I get a chance.

 

[AwesomeAuger]

I think for Nucker we should have either somebody take over immediately or fill out his makeup picks for need with the top-rated, most reasonable player according to PFF and hope he checks in soon. It's starting to become a disadvantage for his team.

 

[William Munny]

Ha freakin PFF

 

[ExaltedOne]

25.17 Skins (Nate) select Andre Brown, RB

 

[ExaltedOne]

I think for Nucker we should have either somebody take over immediately or fill out his makeup picks for need with the top-rated, most reasonable player according to PFF and hope he checks in soon. It's starting to become a disadvantage for his team.

You're right. I've asked for someone to volunteer but I'm going to go ahead and do some makeup picks for him.

 

[HellToupee]

How many picks is nucker behind?