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[massraider]

I didn't watch the game, just looking at stat line.You'd think Cam being a " high side QB2 " he'd have done a bit better .......... I'll not forget this thread, lets see how the season goes and BTW I'm an Arkansas homer, anyone want to compare the stat line to Ryan Mallett

I wasn't a Cam believer, but he looked better than I thought. A few of those incompletions were inside the 10, and he threw some nice balls into some tight spots, where the DB made good plays on the ball. For his first game, I was actually impressed. he did so little NFL-style passing in college, I wondered how people projected him at all in the pros.I will watch his next game closely, but I don't think he is as far away as a lot of people thought. Still wouldn't want him as my QB2, not sure if he can help this year, but I feel better about his dynasty prospects.

 

[TheFanatic]

I didn't watch the game, just looking at stat line.You'd think Cam being a " high side QB2 " he'd have done a bit better .......... I'll not forget this thread, lets see how the season goes and BTW I'm an Arkansas homer, anyone want to compare the stat line to Ryan Mallett

I wasn't a Cam believer, but he looked better than I thought. A few of those incompletions were inside the 10, and he threw some nice balls into some tight spots, where the DB made good plays on the ball. For his first game, I was actually impressed. he did so little NFL-style passing in college, I wondered how people projected him at all in the pros.I will watch his next game closely, but I don't think he is as far away as a lot of people thought. Still wouldn't want him as my QB2, not sure if he can help this year, but I feel better about his dynasty prospects.

 

[Stealthycat]

VS Miami last night

Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT

J Clausen 9/15 69 0 0

C.Newton 7/14 66 0 0

Rushing ATT YDS TD LG

C.Netwon 4 18 0 7

J.Clausen 1 4 0 4

MIAMI -- Cam Newton threw a Hail Mary pass that fell incomplete on the final play of the first half Friday night, and that's the closest he came to reaching the end zone.

The top pick of the 2011 NFL Draft was shut out in his first preseason start, and Newton's Carolina Panthers lost to the Miami Dolphins, 20-10.

Newton played the entire first half, when the Panthers managed only three first downs, held the ball for less than eight minutes and fell behind 17-0. Newton went 7 for 14 for 66 yards, and he ran four times for 18 yards.

 

[fizzup]

He's a rookie on the worst team in the NFL last year. I think he has some promise and who knows anything is possible. No one was drafting Vick last year and how did that turn out? With that said I wouldn't draft him.

 

[pantherclub]

I was wrong and I was hoodwinked.

Cam Newton is no NFL qb. I dont need to see any more of to change my mind. While he has an amazing skill set that just doesnt factor in much in being a productive player just as we have seen with Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcuos and the list goes on. Coaches continually get sold a bill of goods at these private workouts and combine. Cam Newton has no mechanics. I take that back, he has no positive throwing mechanics for the NFL. He throws off his back foot or throws on the run in just about every situation. Ron Riveria just tanked his first and probably only coaching chance. When will the NFL learn that it is not brute strength that makes a qb good but just general understanding of the game?

Cam Newton is bad, real bad and I dont think he can ever get to a level where he is even an average qb. I am not saying he is a bust now just that he is so far off from where he needs to be its not even funny. He has gotten by on sheer physical ability until now and you should not be teaching the #1 pick basic throwing mechanics such as throwing off the correct foot.

This post hasnt even addressed his horrendous ability to read defenses.

The Panthers are screwed, royally.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

 

[TheFanatic]

49 yards rushing plust the TD is pretty good. I didn't see the game though, was he that bad?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Vince Young was 29 of 57 for 357 yards with only 12 rushes in four pre-season games (he had at least 10 passes in each game).

 

[boofatty]

I was wrong and I was hoodwinked.Cam Newton is no NFL qb. I dont need to see any more of to change my mind. While he has an amazing skill set that just doesnt factor in much in being a productive player just as we have seen with Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcuos and the list goes on. Coaches continually get sold a bill of goods at these private workouts and combine. Cam Newton has no mechanics. I take that back, he has no positive throwing mechanics for the NFL. He throws off his back foot or throws on the run in just about every situation. Ron Riveria just tanked his first and probably only coaching chance. When will the NFL learn that it is not brute strength that makes a qb good but just general understanding of the game? Cam Newton is bad, real bad and I dont think he can ever get to a level where he is even an average qb. I am not saying he is a bust now just that he is so far off from where he needs to be its not even funny. He has gotten by on sheer physical ability until now and you should not be teaching the #1 pick basic throwing mechanics such as throwing off the correct foot. This post hasnt even addressed his horrendous ability to read defenses.The Panthers are screwed, royally.

Don't go jump off a bridge or anything. It's just preseason, in an awkward year where he hasn't been able to work with coaches until just a few weeks ago. I suspect Cam's career path will be similar to Vick/Cunningham, etc. They need to learn the position just like nearly all rookie QBs, some have better mechanics, others don't. The guy is a hard worker and he studies his craft - I don't think Vick had the same maturity his rookie year. Cam likely won't turn into Manning or Brady, but he could still be a good QB because he has a good work ethic.How is this different from a guy like Mallet with a rocket arm, that needs to learn to tone it down to fit the offense/NFL style? Name the rookie QBs that have started day one and been successful - this is likely a very short list.Point is that it takes time dude

 

[VikingFrog]

I was wrong and I was hoodwinked.Cam Newton is no NFL qb. I dont need to see any more of to change my mind. While he has an amazing skill set that just doesnt factor in much in being a productive player just as we have seen with Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcuos and the list goes on. Coaches continually get sold a bill of goods at these private workouts and combine. Cam Newton has no mechanics. I take that back, he has no positive throwing mechanics for the NFL. He throws off his back foot or throws on the run in just about every situation. Ron Riveria just tanked his first and probably only coaching chance. When will the NFL learn that it is not brute strength that makes a qb good but just general understanding of the game? Cam Newton is bad, real bad and I dont think he can ever get to a level where he is even an average qb. I am not saying he is a bust now just that he is so far off from where he needs to be its not even funny. He has gotten by on sheer physical ability until now and you should not be teaching the #1 pick basic throwing mechanics such as throwing off the correct foot. This post hasnt even addressed his horrendous ability to read defenses.The Panthers are screwed, royally.

Nobody seems to want to answer this question on any of the boards. What kind of value do you think Steve Smith holds? Any if healthy? Would you rather see Newton or Clausen chunking him the ball?

 

[Stealthycat]

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carolina rookie quarterback Cam Newton took a step back on his road to NFL stardom.

Cincinnati's Andy Dalton , another rookie, took a huge leap forward.

Dalton, Cincinnati's second-round draft pick from Texas Christian, led four first-half scoring drives and the Bengals held on for a 24-13 preseason victory Thursday night.

Dalton was an efficient 11 of 17 for 130 yards and a touchdown for Cincinnati (1-2), putting together a 107.5 quarterback rating, a vast improvement over the 30.9 figure he took into the game. He credited a running game that finished with 191 yards, 63 in the first quarter, which he said helped open up the passing game.

Newton, the overall No. 1 pick by Carolina (1-2), went into the game with a 65.2 quarterback rating after two games. He rushed for 41 yards in the first half, including a 16-yard scramble for a touchdown. He played the first three series of the third quarter before giving way to second-year quarterback Jimmy Clausen and finished 6 for 19 for 75 yards and a 44.8 rating.

"It's unacceptable on my part," he said. "I've got to make the proper reads and get in a comfort zone. Third-and-long is not a situation we want to be in. A checkdown is not a bad thing."

First-year coach Ron Rivera refused to pin all the blame on his prized rookie.

"I thought he had his moments," Rivera said. "He felt the pressure at times. At times, we didn't help him. We have to protect better, he has to make better reads. It was great to see Cam in an extended role, but he has a long ways to go."

Newton reverted to the Heisman Trophy-winning style he used while leading Auburn to last year's national championship to account for his first touchdown as a pro.

After Carolina cornerback Chris Gamble recovered a Benson fumble at the Cincinnati 46, Newton led Carolina on a six-play scoring drive. He completed just one of four passes on the possession, but he capped it by scrambling 16 yards for the score.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Cam has made Jamarcus look like an all-pro, but it isn't time to give up on him yet. I was the biggest critic of the pick (peterson, dareus or green would have all been better picks), but he's still got time to make good. I do laugh at all the homer Panther fans who thought they'd win 8-9 games this year.

Steve Smith will have next to no value this year. Not only is the QB situation bad, he looks to have lost a step.

 

[Cookiemonster]

13 fantasy points in <3/4 of a preseason game. That's OK for a rook IMO. We knew he wasn't a good passer, but I'm certain he'll get better. He may never be a good passer, but his legs will help to keep the chains moving.

 

[FDC]

You know, I bet if Smitty got his other foot down on the TD throw and that 35 yard completion to Olsen wasn't brought back by a holding call everyone would be drooling all over Cam right now. Cam performed worse against the Giants but everyone drooled all over him that game. Groupthink is a fickle thing, please don't get caught in it.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

You know, I bet if Smitty got his other foot down on the TD throw and that 35 yard completion to Olsen wasn't brought back by a holding call everyone would be drooling all over Cam right now. Cam performed worse against the Giants but everyone drooled all over him that game. Groupthink is a fickle thing, please don't get caught in it.

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants. Then he had a bad game against Miami and then he had a bad game against Cinci. THE BENGALS! The sound you hear is the unwarranted optimism returning to earth after the cumulative effect of three sub-par outings. It may be an over-correction, but it was bound to happen.

 

[pantherclub]

You know, I bet if Smitty got his other foot down on the TD throw and that 35 yard completion to Olsen wasn't brought back by a holding call everyone would be drooling all over Cam right now. Cam performed worse against the Giants but everyone drooled all over him that game. Groupthink is a fickle thing, please don't get caught in it.

No that is not even correct. Cam maybe threw 2 balls last night that were perfect. The rest he was either on the run, bouncing up and down (literally) or throwing off his back foot. Add this to the fact he was throwing into coverage a lot. I am a firm believer you cannot teach reading and reacting to defenses if you have no foundation by the time you have made it to the NFL. It rarely happens and I can cite 10 easy examples to the contrary. Combine his horrible mechanics and inability to read defenses and I would say "houston we have a problem". For the person that was asking about Smiths value I would say he is a 8-10th round pick at best. While Cam targeted him a lot he was inaccurate and Smith looked slow actually. I would say Smith gets about 40-50 catches this year and a few TD's.I am not saying Newton is a bust....yet, but for a #1 pick he has the furthest path then any other pick that I can remember. I am in just disbelief of how bad his mechanics are, you would think the Panthers would have seen that in all the tape. He was literally bouncing passes in front of his wideouts last night, not even remotely close.

 

[pantherclub]

You know, I bet if Smitty got his other foot down on the TD throw and that 35 yard completion to Olsen wasn't brought back by a holding call everyone would be drooling all over Cam right now. Cam performed worse against the Giants but everyone drooled all over him that game. Groupthink is a fickle thing, please don't get caught in it.

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants. Then he had a bad game against Miami and then he had a bad game against Cinci. THE BENGALS! The sound you hear is the unwarranted optimism returning to earth after the cumulative effect of three sub-par outings. It may be an over-correction, but it was bound to happen.

I clearly bought into the training camp and personal workout hype. The dude looks like a freak of nature but unfortunately they rarely make good qb's. I was thinking maybe the panthers could hit 8 wins if the ball bounced their way a couple times but right now I believe we are right back in the Luck sweepstakes especially considering our defense just got shredded in every which way by a rookie QB and WR.

 

[FDC]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear. Now, after three subpar performances, it is difficult to continue blowing sunshine.

 

[FDC]

Sorry boxer I don't buy that argument. The Cam hype after NY was from national press too. And Cam is similar to Tebow, the haters might out number the fans. I think Cam haters see 6 for 19 in a Bengals blowout and come out of the woodwork. In other words, it was as much about team play as it was about Cam. Cam struggled with anticipation presnap and for his receivers, and his accuracy struggled when his footwork was interrupted, but other than that I didn't see a ton of issues. Yes I understand both of those are crucial to become successful at this level, hopefully he will grow into those things when he gets more than just 5-6 weeks experience at this level.

 

[FavreCo]

You know, I bet if Smitty got his other foot down on the TD throw and that 35 yard completion to Olsen wasn't brought back by a holding call everyone would be drooling all over Cam right now. Cam performed worse against the Giants but everyone drooled all over him that game. Groupthink is a fickle thing, please don't get caught in it.

I wasn't drooling. The guy is a bum. He was a bum before being drafted. He's been a training camp/preseason bum. He's a future bum.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I was wrong and I was hoodwinked.Cam Newton is no NFL qb. I dont need to see any more of to change my mind. While he has an amazing skill set that just doesnt factor in much in being a productive player just as we have seen with Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcuos and the list goes on. Coaches continually get sold a bill of goods at these private workouts and combine. Cam Newton has no mechanics. I take that back, he has no positive throwing mechanics for the NFL. He throws off his back foot or throws on the run in just about every situation. Ron Riveria just tanked his first and probably only coaching chance. When will the NFL learn that it is not brute strength that makes a qb good but just general understanding of the game? Cam Newton is bad, real bad and I dont think he can ever get to a level where he is even an average qb. I am not saying he is a bust now just that he is so far off from where he needs to be its not even funny. He has gotten by on sheer physical ability until now and you should not be teaching the #1 pick basic throwing mechanics such as throwing off the correct foot. This post hasnt even addressed his horrendous ability to read defenses.The Panthers are screwed, royally.

"i don't need to see anything more" RELAX it's preseason. This is the first year that rookie had no benefit of OTA's. No need to stick your fork in him yet. play is really to go and grab newton from an owner who is freaking out at an admittedly subpar passing performance.what you saw: A couple of bad passes and some poor defensive reads. Your take: HARI KARIwhat I saw: I raw yet talented NFL player who might rush for 1000 yds and 10 tds in addition to the mediocre passing numbers he will generate. This clearly makes him a qb2 w/high upside, especially if he is a quick learner and can actually improve his accuracy over the year.My take: Time to lowball the newton owner. Try offering him stevan Riddley

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

You know, I bet if Smitty got his other foot down on the TD throw and that 35 yard completion to Olsen wasn't brought back by a holding call everyone would be drooling all over Cam right now. Cam performed worse against the Giants but everyone drooled all over him that game. Groupthink is a fickle thing, please don't get caught in it.

No that is not even correct. Cam maybe threw 2 balls last night that were perfect. The rest he was either on the run, bouncing up and down (literally) or throwing off his back foot. Add this to the fact he was throwing into coverage a lot. I am a firm believer you cannot teach reading and reacting to defenses if you have no foundation by the time you have made it to the NFL. It rarely happens and I can cite 10 easy examples to the contrary. Combine his horrible mechanics and inability to read defenses and I would say "houston we have a problem". For the person that was asking about Smiths value I would say he is a 8-10th round pick at best. While Cam targeted him a lot he was inaccurate and Smith looked slow actually. I would say Smith gets about 40-50 catches this year and a few TD's.

I am not saying Newton is a bust....yet, but for a #1 pick he has the furthest path then any other pick that I can remember. I am in just disbelief of how bad his mechanics are, you would think the Panthers would have seen that in all the tape. He was literally bouncing passes in front of his wideouts last night, not even remotely close.

:recordscratch:wah? you weren't saying he was a bust? You weren't saying that after viewing him in a small sample of PS games that he doesn't have the talent and ability to be an NFL qb?

relax. It's gonna be a long year. Hell before the last 4-5 years (and largely due to the ridiculous money these top picks were getting) it was almost unheard of to have an rookie/year1/year2 qb see any action in an NFL game, let alone be the starter.

Why don't you go back and read the frantic/he's a bum/he's a bust quotes that were written about a young qb out of Cal by packers fans about 4-5 years ago...

 

[pantherclub]

Could you guys give me an example of a qb that was a physical specimen that came into the league that couldnt read defenses or didnt have good mechanics and turned it around? Because I can give you 10 real fast.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

You know, I bet if Smitty got his other foot down on the TD throw and that 35 yard completion to Olsen wasn't brought back by a holding call everyone would be drooling all over Cam right now. Cam performed worse against the Giants but everyone drooled all over him that game. Groupthink is a fickle thing, please don't get caught in it.

I wasn't drooling. The guy is a bum. He was a bum before being drafted. He's been a training camp/preseason bum. He's a future bum.

Just

Interesting discussion. Where would some of you guys rank Jennings for dynasty purposes?

I'm not playing forever.....JUST ANOTHER 5 YEARS!!!!

Bumped down because Rogers is frail and he is not Favre. He got the ball to Jennings while in there vs Dallas but he can't even make it thru a practice without being listed as out.

For

But isn't he fun to watch when you have no players affected by how awful and embarrassing this joke is?

If Favre went down, you wouldn't think it was fun to watch your team go down the drain. Better watch your karma dude.

He was only talking about the fantasy football world, and how not having any Carolina players makes it interesting to watch in a trainwreck kind of way.

And I've seen the Aaron Rogers experience, and it's just as much of a :trainwreck: as this Carolina situation is

NOBODY and I mean nobody is worse that David Carr as an NFL QB. He destroys franchises and FF teams. And yes, you are correct, I am talking from a fantasy perspective as far as affecting your players. Of course, he destroys all hope on an NFL team also.

I am loving this.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

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all rookie qbs taken need seasoning-

we need to grab and develop a qb and create a better option at the position.

this is not a quick fix job

I agree. The Packers invested a first round pick in Rogers, but they still protected themselves with Brohm. The Bears can't be all that confident of Grossman or Orton. If you don't draft a QB then you are starting from scratch next year.

Gotta think Woodson or Brennan with the next pick.

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What?

Dead last biotch for years to come.

Perspective

all rookie qbs taken need seasoning-

we need to grab and develop a qb and create a better option at the position.

this is not a quick fix job

I agree. The Packers invested a first round pick in Rogers, but they still protected themselves with Brohm. The Bears can't be all that confident of Grossman or Orton. If you don't draft a QB then you are starting from scratch next year.

Gotta think Woodson or Brennan with the next pick.

Now there's some quality.

4th place in the NFC North is sewn up. Blew it on a QB this year and the 2009 class is worse.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Could you guys give me an example of a qb that was a physical specimen that came into the league that couldnt read defenses or didnt have good mechanics and turned it around? Because I can give you 10 real fast.

Vince Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Jared Lorenzen

 

[pantherclub]

Young and Vick turned it around? Really?

 

[DeaLerZ]

how can anyone hate a guy already who hasn't even played a regular season game yet in his career???

i think it is too soon to know anything about Newton one way or the other... at the end of the year come talk to me.. cause i'll be one of the few loyal panthers fans that still watches them every Sunday after we have lost 12 games... and i can tell you how much of our 4-12 record is his fault

 

[thehornet]

Young and Vick turned it around? Really?

were you sleeping when vick was the qb for the nfc east winner eagles?

 

[FavreCo]

RELAX it's preseason. This is the first year that rookie had no benefit of OTA's. No need to stick your fork in him yet. play is really to go and grab newton from an owner who is freaking out at an admittedly subpar passing performance.

THat's what FF losers do. Of course, it's going to be hard to pry the bum from them because if they were dumb enough to draft this hack, they aren't smart enough to see that he's a bust in the making.

 

[Stealthycat]

how can anyone hate a guy already who hasn't even played a regular season game yet in his career???

I'm an Arkansas fan - he was Auburn ....... enough said. Plus I kinda hate cheaters, and that's what Cam Newton is. we'll do weekly updates on this thread - we'll see if Cam is " high upside QB2 "

 

[Mister CIA]

how can anyone hate a guy already who hasn't even played a regular season game yet in his career???

I'm an Arkansas fan - he was Auburn ....... enough said. Plus I kinda hate cheaters, and that's what Cam Newton is. we'll do weekly updates on this thread - we'll see if Cam is " high upside QB2 "

Cheaters trump quitters.

 

[The Commish]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear. Now, after three subpar performances, it is difficult to continue blowing sunshine.

So, where are these fans? I've not run across any and they aren't on talk radio around here. The general consensus is they want him to start and take his lumps, but they all seem to understand there's going to be A LOT of lumps. There's been a few that call and defend him at all costs, but certainly not the majority. Is it different in other parts of the state? You're in the G'boro area right?

 

[massraider]

Any QB with that athletic ability can't be dismissed. People are going to doubt him, and root against him, because of a million reasons that have nothing to do with football. In dynasty, I am buying. The Panthers aren't sexy right now, but things change quick in the NFL. Maybe they sign VJax next year. Cam never played in anything close to a pro offense in college, he can get better, it happens. And in dynasty, the potential payoff is so massive, why not drop a 2nd round rookie pick on him?

I still have doubts, but he didn't look as lost as we were led to believe.

 

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Newton will fight to finish in the top 25 Qbs this season

 

[Sabertooth]

Could you guys give me an example of a qb that was a physical specimen that came into the league that couldnt read defenses or didnt have good mechanics and turned it around? Because I can give you 10 real fast.

Vince Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Jared Lorenzen

Favre didn't know what "nickel" even meant until his second season in Green Bay according to Hasselbeck. He literally pulled him aside in a meeting to ask him. Hass said his jaw hit the floor.

 

[BassNBrew]

Yes, he did perform worse against the Giants.

But yet the reports were glowing after NY? Why the contradiction?

The press and the Panther fans want him to be a star. They were willing it to happen. I laughed at the coverage of the NY game, most people talked about how well Newton did and how poorly Clausen did. They both did pretty poorly, but Clausen probably outperformed Cam that game. But that didn't fit the script that ESPN and Panther fans wanted to hear.

LOL at these statements coming from a Clausen homer. Mr Pick-Six looks lost and pathetic out there. The only thing Clausen has out performed Cam at during his career is collecting "L"s.And yes I'll root for Cam (like I did Jimmy last year) even though I was against the selection.

 

[BassNBrew]

Newton will fight to finish in the top 25 Qbs this season

So will Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

 

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Newton will fight to finish in the top 25 Qbs this season

So will Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

That's not true at all

 

[[scooter]]

how can anyone hate a guy already who hasn't even played a regular season game yet in his career???

I'm an Arkansas fan - he was Auburn ....... enough said. Plus I kinda hate cheaters, and that's what Cam Newton is.

I love when homers use the most narrow definition of a word to justify their bias.

 

[[icon]]

how can anyone hate a guy already who hasn't even played a regular season game yet in his career???

I'm an Arkansas fan - he was Auburn ....... enough said. Plus I kinda hate cheaters, and that's what Cam Newton is.

I love when homers use the most narrow definition of a word to justify their bias.

Narrow definition?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Young and Vick turned it around? Really?

please tell me you are kidding.VY has been a good qb for a few years now, minus the mental freak out/depression/suicide thing he'd likely still be in Tenn. His FF #'s were always unsung, but his winning % was what like 75%? If Vick goes down he will be a startable FF QB.Either you are an idiot or a neophyte if you need any args on Vick. he was a top 5 FF qb in atlanta. He is qb1b this year, and posted the FF record for points in a game (in 3/4 of a game) on MNF vs the skins last year reaching 50-100 pts in FFL's depending on scoring.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

RELAX it's preseason. This is the first year that rookie had no benefit of OTA's. No need to stick your fork in him yet. play is really to go and grab newton from an owner who is freaking out at an admittedly subpar passing performance.

THat's what FF losers do. Of course, it's going to be hard to pry the bum from them because if they were dumb enough to draft this hack, they aren't smart enough to see that he's a bust in the making.

FavreCo is a great example of why ignorance and obstinacy is a dangerous pairing. Put the blinders on, ignore the glaring line by line indite of him specifically. refute nothing. Add a smile And Repeat. Likely why in the above quoted paragraph he was set on ignore a few times...

 

[[scooter]]

how can anyone hate a guy already who hasn't even played a regular season game yet in his career???

I'm an Arkansas fan - he was Auburn ....... enough said. Plus I kinda hate cheaters, and that's what Cam Newton is.

I love when homers use the most narrow definition of a word to justify their bias.

Narrow definition?

Yes, exactly. He allegedly cheated on some homework. It had nothing to do with his on-field performance and it had nothing to do with his performance at Auburn. Yet some people want to use it as a blank check to discredit everything he does for the rest of his life.I wonder if those same people would use that narrow definition to judge their favorite players? I'm sure I could find a former Arkansas player who got a speeding ticket or cheated on his girlfriend once. Is that fair?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Any QB with that athletic ability can't be dismissed. People are going to doubt him, and root against him, because of a million reasons that have nothing to do with football. In dynasty, I am buying. The Panthers aren't sexy right now, but things change quick in the NFL. Maybe they sign VJax next year. Cam never played in anything close to a pro offense in college, he can get better, it happens. And in dynasty, the potential payoff is so massive, why not drop a 2nd round rookie pick on him? I still have doubts, but he didn't look as lost as we were led to believe.

for e.g. from that game in which people say 'he only threw two good passes' One play that didn't make the stat sheet showed a lot of poise, and intelligence. It was 3rd and long (10 IIRC) on the Panthers own 11-13 yard line. Cam dropped back, stayed inthe pocket, went through progressions (not coincidentally the announcers said 'this is t mos time Cam has had to throw all night") and threw a 20 yard strike to David Clowney. Ended up gettng called back b/c #73 on the OL was holding, but as far as just providing a glimpse of the guy he can be it was a very nice play. But plays that are called back like that in PS rarely make ESPN highlight reels, so most will never ee it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Could you guys give me an example of a qb that was a physical specimen that came into the league that couldnt read defenses or didnt have good mechanics and turned it around? Because I can give you 10 real fast.

Vince Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Jared Lorenzen

Favre didn't know what "nickel" even meant until his second season in Green Bay according to Hasselbeck. He literally pulled him aside in a meeting to ask him. Hass said his jaw hit the floor.

Well in Atlanta Brett certainly new what Nickel Beer night at the Buckhead Saloon was!

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

how can anyone hate a guy already who hasn't even played a regular season game yet in his career???

I'm an Arkansas fan - he was Auburn ....... enough said. Plus I kinda hate cheaters, and that's what Cam Newton is.

I love when homers use the most narrow definition of a word to justify their bias.

Narrow definition?

This is America. This country was largely built on the guile of cheaters. As the adage goes if you ain't cheating you ain't trying. Prolly no place embodies this more than the NFL/pro sports.

 

[Abraham]

His passing makes Vince young look like johnny Unitas, but he certainly looks like he belongs put there.