Cam Newton (1 Viewer)

[Card Trader]

The Cards gameplan was to constantly blitz, and they assumed Newton would fold to the pressure...problem was, the pressure rarely got there and even when it did Newton didn't fold. He was very impressive, although now that there is some tape I definitely wouldn't expect a similar performance. You'd have thought the Cards would adjust at halftime and stop leaving PP and Jefferson in 1 on 1 coverage with Smith....or hell, anyone, but nope, they just continued to blitz and blitz more and not get there.

In fairness, Cam really threw 2 INTs, but the first was negated on what would have to be one of the worst roughing the passer penalties in history.

Cam's going to be a good QB, just don't expect too much more this year.

 

[tim_whatley]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect a good fantasy year from Cam Newton THIS YEAR. I wouldn't want him as my QB1, but in two QB leagues or in leagues where you can start a QB at flex he is very attractive.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

RELAX it's preseason. This is the first year that rookie had no benefit of OTA's. No need to stick your fork in him yet. play is really to go and grab newton from an owner who is freaking out at an admittedly subpar passing performance.

THat's what FF losers do. Of course, it's going to be hard to pry the bum from them because if they were dumb enough to draft this hack, they aren't smart enough to see that he's a bust in the making.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I cannot wait to post after Cam's 1st NFL game next weekend.

My guess?

9 completions, 24 pass attempts, 0 TD's, 2 INT's 7 rushes for 27 yards and 0 TD's

At the end of his first NFL game Cam will look like this

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chump

 

[The Commish]

Whole lotta guys avoiding this thread today...

As a Panther fan, I am encouraged, but there is an incredibly long way to go. We'll have a better gauge after the games vs GB and Chicago. It was fun to watch him go, but it was momentary knowing that the defensive backs sans the LBs were going to have to come back out on the field shortly after the excitement.

None of us care about the Panthers or their D, in fact I hope it continues to suck forcing Cam to throw the ball early and often.

So you DO care

 

[The Commish]

Hipple doing work in here

 

[TheFanatic]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

 

[tim_whatley]

Whole lotta guys avoiding this thread today...

As a Panther fan, I am encouraged, but there is an incredibly long way to go. We'll have a better gauge after the games vs GB and Chicago. It was fun to watch him go, but it was momentary knowing that the defensive backs sans the LBs were going to have to come back out on the field shortly after the excitement.

None of us care about the Panthers or their D, in fact I hope it continues to suck forcing Cam to throw the ball early and often.

So you DO care

You got me.

 

[adrenaline]

My FBGs daily email update is telling me Cam is now a borderline QB1. One good game & hype is on, starting at the top. Really FBGs?

 

[smackdaddies]

My FBGs daily email update is telling me Cam is now a borderline QB1. One good game & hype is on, starting at the top. Really FBGs?

More than the fbg - Cowherd this morning (after dogging him last week) ate crow and said the game showed him that Cam has "presence" - the ability to get on the field and own it. To impose his will on others.

 

[DeaLerZ]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

It won't happen... "Haters Hate".. and they only hate.. they do not know how to admit when they are wrong...

 

[LittlePhatty]

My FBGs daily email update is telling me Cam is now a borderline QB1. One good game & hype is on, starting at the top. Really FBGs?

If he can rank #1 in one week, it stands to reason he can pull out #13 or #14 rank in other weeks.

 

[Mello]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow. I still think Panthers have set their franchise back years by riding Cam.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow. I still think Panthers have set their franchise back years by riding Cam.

How are the Panthers setting their franchise back years playing Cam?

 

[VTjkru]

I'll admit, I wasnt a big fan of Newton, thought he'd choke in his first game.

Im not want to overreact over one game though.

Next week is going to be a huge challenge. I can't imagine the Packers defense will let a rookie carve them up.

 

[Mello]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow. I still think Panthers have set their franchise back years by riding Cam.

How are the Panthers setting their franchise back years playing Cam?

Because they could have greatly improved any one of their other needs and waited until they had the opportunity to sign/draft a good QB. They took themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes even if they end up with the #1 next year.

 

[solorca]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

I'll admit it, although I'm not ready to call him the next superstar NFL quarterback. I was annoyed when he was the choice for the Panthers at #1, and his play during the preseason didn't do much to change my opinion. In yesterday's game, he looked like a different player.I am still worried about some of the mistakes he made, but as a Panthers fan, I'm as thrilled as I could possibly be after the team lost to a terrible opponent. I think the future is bright, but I'm not ready to name him a top 10 QB or give him ROY just yet.Not to mention, Chris Weinke threw for 400 yards in a game once too. If he does it again (or even throws for 250 with a pair of touchdowns) next week, especially against the Packers...then I'll be REALLY excited.

 

[zamboni]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow. I still think Panthers have set their franchise back years by riding Cam.

How are the Panthers setting their franchise back years playing Cam?

Because they could have greatly improved any one of their other needs and waited until they had the opportunity to sign/draft a good QB. They took themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes even if they end up with the #1 next year.

What's to say that Luck (a) will be better than Newton and (b) the consensus #1 next year. And if Luck is the consensus #1 and there are several teams interested in him, the Panthers could get a lot of value in return.

 

[The Commish]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow. I still think Panthers have set their franchise back years by riding Cam.

How are the Panthers setting their franchise back years playing Cam?

Because they could have greatly improved any one of their other needs and waited until they had the opportunity to sign/draft a good QB. They took themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes even if they end up with the #1 next year.

You can take the QB position out and sub in one of the many other positions they have a need for. Why do you think they should be "waiting" for anything? Have to start somewhere.

 

[The Commish]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow. I still think Panthers have set their franchise back years by riding Cam.

How are the Panthers setting their franchise back years playing Cam?

Because they could have greatly improved any one of their other needs and waited until they had the opportunity to sign/draft a good QB. They took themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes even if they end up with the #1 next year.

What's to say that Luck (a) will be better than Newton and (b) the consensus #1 next year. And if Luck is the consensus #1 and there are several teams interested in him, the Panthers could get a lot of value in return.

Or that Luck is even going to come out?

 

[BroadwayG]

I'll admit, I wasnt a big fan of Newton, thought he'd choke in his first game.Im not want to overreact over one game though.Next week is going to be a huge challenge. I can't imagine the Packers defense will let a rookie carve them up.

If I know the Packers, they will get up by 14-21 points, then stop trying, allowing Newton to put up monster 2nd half numbers against the worst prevent defense that has ever existed in any sport since forever.

 

[GDogg]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow. I still think Panthers have set their franchise back years by riding Cam.

How are the Panthers setting their franchise back years playing Cam?

Because they could have greatly improved any one of their other needs and waited until they had the opportunity to sign/draft a good QB. They took themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes even if they end up with the #1 next year.

What's to say that Luck (a) will be better than Newton and (b) the consensus #1 next year. And if Luck is the consensus #1 and there are several teams interested in him, the Panthers could get a lot of value in return.

Or that Luck is even going to come out?

Well, he could always change his mind, but Luck, himself, said this is his last season at Stanford and he's coming out.

 

[FDC]

Because they could have greatly improved any one of their other needs and waited until they had the opportunity to sign/draft a good QB. They took themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes even if they end up with the #1 next year.

Wait, assuming both end up legit, wouldn't Panthers actually be setting themselves back a year by not taking Cam? And aside of that point, do you really think any respectable GM would consider intentionally losing and build their franchise around a guy two drafts away? I don't see it.

 

[pollardsvision]

Funny thing is, I think any reasonable fan would have to have similar hopes for week 2, as they had for week 1.

Most fans, in game 1, would've been happy to see him handle himself well, make some plays down the field, but make some boneheaded mistakes. Some poise, some flashes and some INT's was the hope/expectation.

I think that's a reasonable bar for Game 2, as well. Personally, I wouldn't bat an eye at 3 INTs against GB, as long as he handles himself well and leads a couple of nice drives/makes some nice throws. He's a baby facing the World Champs. You have to expect it might get ugly.

IMO, the more interesting gauge will be 2 things:

1. How he plays in W3 against JAX. I know it'll get ugly against GB. How will he bounce back?

2. They will almost certainly start 1-5 or worse. Even if they play well, that's a near certainty. How will he handle that? He's not accustomed to losing. If he handles that the right way, it'll be a big step.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Cam has 14 games of experience against top college players

he's going to go into the NFL and light it up on that experience? Seriously?

LOL

Yes. Yes he did.Seriously

 

[DeaLerZ]

Funny thing is, I think any reasonable fan would have to have similar hopes for week 2, as they had for week 1.

Most fans, in game 1, would've been happy to see him handle himself well, make some plays down the field, but make some boneheaded mistakes. Some poise, some flashes and some INT's was the hope/expectation.

I think that's a reasonable bar for Game 2, as well. Personally, I wouldn't bat an eye at 3 INTs against GB, as long as he handles himself well and leads a couple of nice drives/makes some nice throws. He's a baby facing the World Champs. You have to expect it might get ugly.

IMO, the more interesting gauge will be 2 things:

1. How he plays in W3 against JAX. I know it'll get ugly against GB. How will he bounce back?

2. They will almost certainly start 1-5 or worse. Even if they play well, that's a near certainty. How will he handle that? He's not accustomed to losing. If he handles that the right way, it'll be a big step.

Great points man...this guy is not used to losing.. he mentioned something about it in his after game press conference... The "Tough Get Going, when the Going gets Tough" though.. and that is when true champions shine.. so lets see how he does over the next few weeks vs Green Bay, and Chicago... and we will have a better picture of what this guy is made of

But an absolute beast of a 1st game of his career..

 

[ghostrider55]

I'm just not sold yet. The Panthers are the Panthers and I just don't trust them yet. Not to mention the Cardinals looked very sub par on defense, blowing a few assignments and allowing the big plays. There is now some intrigue but I would keep my expectations manageable for now.

 

[wingm@n]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow.

Agree. NFL is very good at exposing weaknesses and taking away a player's strengths. Leinart, Tebow, V. Young, and just about every 1st round QB pick have all looked at one point or another early in their career...then they hit a performance wall when opponents get them on tape and adjust. The key for Cam is can he adjust when the league figures him out?

 

[pantherclub]

Cam has 14 games of experience against top college players

he's going to go into the NFL and light it up on that experience? Seriously?

LOL

Yes. Yes he did.Seriously

This shtick is tired and worn out. I am sure everything you have predicted has turned out correctly.Speaking for myself, yeah I was wrong, way wrong. This isnt the same quarterback from the preseason, its almost like Riveria played possum and tried to steal a game from AZ. They were throwing all over the place yesterday and it was awesome. Cams moxie on 3rd down was impressive. His arm strength was never questioned just his accuracy, while he still made bad throws and threw off his feet, his brute strength makes up for that. I really wish we could have won and had a game cushion in our division. The special teams play was baffling. I was impressed that Cam didnt get rattled during blitzes (something he did a lot in preseason) and I am impressed he didnt just pick up and run without going through his reads. One radio guy today said that once it all clicks, when to throw when to run its going to get ugly for the opposition.

In Short I was wrong, but again it was just one game. I have no clue why Newton didnt look like this in the preseason, its not even the same player. He showed mega confidence and at the end of the game it looked like he had a full command of what Carolina was trying to do. Like he had figured it out. I wish they won but I am excited about the season.

Indy holds the #1 pick without a doubt, they looked really old, really slow and like they just gave up.

 

[pantherclub]

Bump to see if anyone comes in here and says, "You know, maybe I was wrong about this guy."

If things are anywhere close to the same by the end of this year, after they play real defenses and teams have tape on him, I'll gladly eat crow.

Agree. NFL is very good at exposing weaknesses and taking away a player's strengths. Leinart, Tebow, V. Young, and just about every 1st round QB pick have all looked at one point or another early in their career...then they hit a performance wall when opponents get them on tape and adjust. The key for Cam is can he adjust when the league figures him out?

Serious question, and keep in mind I dogged Newton out more than anyone on this thread, but what were his weaknesses yesterday? He recognized the blitz, he was amazing on 3rd down, he showed touch on his passes, he didnt scramble at the sign of pressure and he trusted his play calling. Just curious as to how you game plan for him now?

 

[TheFanatic]

My FBGs daily email update is telling me Cam is now a borderline QB1. One good game & hype is on, starting at the top. Really FBGs?

The guy wins a national championship, the heisman, gets drafted first over all and one can have doubts about him being a bust or not. But when he comes out and sets the rookie passing record in an opening game, albeit against a sub par D (but still and NFL D), the hype is a little more legitimate, isn't it?Again, we're talking fantasy points here. Without his points on the ground, Cam still had a good day. So if he has a decent day plus the extra ground yardage because he's not that great of an NFL QB and has to use his legs to make things happen, Cam owners in FFB benefit. So what if he loses the game? I don't get points for NFL wins. If he only throws for 300 and a TD plus rushes for one, that's QB1 territory. I seriously doubt the Panthers hold Green Bay to 10 points and they grind this thing out on the ground. Who knows, he might have a good game next week against a pretty solid D. I just might start the kid...

 

[The Comedian]

So how much of your WW $ are people going to blow on Newton this week?

 

[Samuel L Bronkowitz]

So how much of your WW $ are people going to blow on Newton this week?

Interesting question. Is there no one here that has him rostered?I have him in a keep 2 league. I drafted him in the last round when I saw an owner go Manning/McNabb and another go Sanchez/Cassel. He is my backup to Rodgers so I somewhat hate to trade him, but I want to make an offer. What kind of trade value does he have, on top of WW value? Won't say my roster/scoring so it doesn't turn into a "should I make this trade" post.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

ULTIMATE SELL HIGH if you can get something goodHe went against two noob CB's and an injured secondary with Adrian Wilson.

Cardinals SS Adrian Wilson (biceps) was able to play nearly every snap on defense in Sunday's win over the Panthers.Barely a month removed from suffering a partially torn biceps, Wilson recorded four tackles. He also admitted to blowing an assignment on Steve Smith's 77-yard touchdown.

 

[Daywalker]

Anyone think he's going to have less then 6 rushing td's?

 

[Football Jones]

Newton is a big-time sell in redraft leagues. Stay on the phone until you move him, LOL. And if I could get a monster player in return, I'd sell in dynasty.

I think I know what Cam is, but he did look good. That said, 1 game means virtually nothing, especially for a QB. We'll know much more in the next few weeks.

 

[Daywalker]

Just love comments how we will know much more in the coming weeks. Yeah no ####.

Fact is people saying he will sputter out would have never dreamed he could have a performance like he did in week 1. They are not to be listened too.

Trading him? You are not going to get major upgrades in a start 1qb league. Best thing to do is to see him out. Perhaps he has a great season and he pushes your starter while being a great backup in case of injury/byes.

He has more value to keep then to trade for a meagar upgrade.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Keep this in mind. Leinart had 400+ yards in a game during his rookie season also.

 

[BassNBrew]

Keep this in mind. Leinart had 400+ yards in a game during his rookie season also.

Was Leinart drilling 15-20 out patterns?Still not sure how this guy will pan out, but he appears to have a big boy arm.

 

[Bayhawks]

I'll admit, I wasnt a big fan of Newton, thought he'd choke in his first game.Im not want to overreact over one game though.Next week is going to be a huge challenge. I can't imagine the Packers defense will let a rookie carve them up.

Good point. But let's assume that he throws for 175 yards, with 1 TD and 1 INT next week, but chips in 45 yards rushing, and 1 TD.That's 597 passing yards, 3 passing TDs, 2 INT, 63 yards rushing, 2 rushing TDs.In my league, that's 37 FF points. Over the full season, that's almost 300 FF points, which has always been a top 5 QB in that league.The point is that in certain leagues that don't penalize INTs and reward rushing yards and TDs twice as much as passing yards and TDs, he should be a very valuable QB this year.

 

[ldizzle]

the feeling i got watching him play was the same watching Tebow last year. Both not really the classic qb type of mold BUT they make plays and find a way to will themselves to a win. it is definitely going to be interesting this week and next week.

 

[ppierce]

I picked him up b/c my other qb's were Bradford and now Grossman. I'm going with Rex vs Arizona. Can't roll the dice with Newton vs GB. After that though, he's my guy. Even if he lays a turd passing, he's the goaline back essentially. If Vince Young could end his Rookie campaign as a top 10 FF Wr, Newton can definitly.

 

[moderated]

the feeling i got watching him play was the same watching Tebow last year. Both not really the classic qb type of mold BUT they make plays and find a way to will themselves to a win. it is definitely going to be interesting this week and next week.

You must not have watched the Carolina game. Cam and tebow are not even remotely similar in their passing. I watched all of TE OSS games last year and newtons this year, how anyone could say newton is the same type of qb is bizarre.

 

[NeverEnough]

I guess his value is not too high in dynasty yet. I have him behind Big Ben & Kolb (Start 1 QB PPR league) and have been offered Greene, Flacco, Hardesty & Knox for Newton & MJD. I am passing on the offer.

Maybe I should try to move Kolb instead.

 

[DeaLerZ]

the feeling i got watching him play was the same watching Tebow last year. Both not really the classic qb type of mold BUT they make plays and find a way to will themselves to a win. it is definitely going to be interesting this week and next week.

You must not have watched the Carolina game. Cam and tebow are not even remotely similar in their passing. I watched all of TE OSS games last year and newtons this year, how anyone could say newton is the same type of qb is bizarre.

Yea i completely agree... Cam Newton threw crisp perfect passes throughout the whole game.. he looked like a legit NFL quarterback.. and reminded me nothing of Tebow except for the fact that it was very exciting when he was in the game

 

[ldizzle]

the feeling i got watching him play was the same watching Tebow last year. Both not really the classic qb type of mold BUT they make plays and find a way to will themselves to a win. it is definitely going to be interesting this week and next week.

You must not have watched the Carolina game. Cam and tebow are not even remotely similar in their passing. I watched all of TE OSS games last year and newtons this year, how anyone could say newton is the same type of qb is bizarre.

I never compared their passing game or say they are the same type of qb. I simply stated that nobody expected these guys to put up decent fantasy stats but they are gamers.

 

[Joe Summer]

Keep this in mind. Leinart had 400+ yards in a game during his rookie season also.

But it took him 8 games to do it, and he still threw for more INTs than TDs and had a 76.0 passer rating.

 

[pantherclub]

the feeling i got watching him play was the same watching Tebow last year. Both not really the classic qb type of mold BUT they make plays and find a way to will themselves to a win. it is definitely going to be interesting this week and next week.

Thats not a very good comparison.....at all.

 

[LawFitz]

the feeling i got watching him play was the same watching Tebow last year. Both not really the classic qb type of mold BUT they make plays and find a way to will themselves to a win. it is definitely going to be interesting this week and next week.

Thats not a very good comparison.....at all.

I think it's a fine comparison. Except that Cam has much better throwing mechanics (and a much nicer pass overall). Both are exceptional dual threats who naturally use their rushing threat to enhance their passing game. Steve Young was the greatest at this and these are two young QBs that have that same natural ability. Vince Young had it too, but he's a headcase, so I don't compare him to either of Cam or Tim.What Cam has that Tebow and Vince don't is a legit rifle as well. This is where the Vick comps start to come into play, though my eyes say Vick is a twitch faster than any of them.

 

[massraider]

ULTIMATE SELL HIGH if you can get something goodHe went against two noob CB's and an injured secondary with Adrian Wilson.

Then people must have predicted he was going to carve them up, right? Can I get some links please? Can't remember anyone calling this. But it seems so OBVIOUS when you point it out, there must have been a LOT of people saying Cam was a nice sleeper this week.looking forward to the I-told-you-so's after Cam doesn't detroy the Super Bowl champs next week.