It was. For those that missed it, he threw 2 TDs on that drive, one called back by penalty. He was delivering darts the whole drive. Very impressive.
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This game was huge for his trade value if you're looking to do that. I think everyone thought a game vs Green Bay on the road would bring him back to reality. But he showed up huge. So unless you have the big 5 QBs (Rodgers, Vick, Brady, Brees and Rivers), you probably start him until proven otherwise. If you have one of them, trading him might be your best bet. Or go all in and trade one of your proven studs? I dunno, I wouldn't do that, but it all depends on the haul one can get in a trade.
I'll probably be playing matchups with him and Ben.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Right now his value in a redraft league is a lot different than his value in a dynasty league. I own him in a dynasty league, along with Brady, and I think that this game may have made Newton so pricey nobody would pay it. In a redraft I think he would be tradeable.
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RavenLunatic
Footballguy
All in!
Very good point! I was thinking re-draft.
timschochet
Footballguy
Those of you who have played fantasy football for over 10 years- was the discussion like this when Kurt Warner first started for the Rams? I keep thinking it must have been...
zoonation
Footballguy
Who did you start today?Matchup couldn't have been more in favor of Ben.
Ben, but there wasn't a chance that I was starting Cam with only one game under his belt. Undecided on next week.
Cam Newton's learning curve has just begun. With time he'll read defenses better and his mechanics should improve. What we've learned is that he has "it". Given that he has accomplished what he has, with his lack of experience and unpolished mechanics, oh my god!!!!! The sky is the limit for this guy. Sure other teams will get a "book" on Newton, but Newton will also devolope and adjust. Buy, buy, buy!
zoonation
Footballguy
My point is that there is no matchup that you could "play" that would make much sense after today. Playing your gut is more like it.
Darrinll40
Footballguy
He's got Jacksonville next week. May go for a 3rd straight 400 yards. The 4th game is at Chicago, that will tell everyone a lot.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Now just imagine if he had scored on that 3 yard run that would have taken the lead. Man, just one more yard.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Warner was such a "feel good story" that people were less inclined to question him.Newton is expected to be a great player. It's just that most people didn't expect him to be this great, this soon.
bonesman
Footballguy
I don't know for sure, but I think Cam might be the 6th and Brady was actually the 7th.Announcers in that Pats game said Brady was the 6th QB ever to pass for 400 yards in back to back games, so I'm guessing Cam was the 5thand in other news, brady passed for 400+ in consecutive games... for the first time in his career.It's not all that far fetched. He now has the two best passing days as a rookie in his first two games. That's sick...
I was at the game... definitely made a few rookie mistakes.. but the guy was incredible... with him the Panthers are in every game because he is so unpredictable to defenses... I have to say he has been one of the most exciting rookies I have ever seen.. once this guy gets better at reading defenses, and knowing when not to throw the ball Steve Smith's way he will be a superstar... very very exciting to watch 
fantasy wise... unless you have one of the top 5 guys I would start him just about every week.. he has the ability to take over the game just like Vick and obviously put up huge numbers both in the air and on the ground..
fantasy wise... unless you have one of the top 5 guys I would start him just about every week.. he has the ability to take over the game just like Vick and obviously put up huge numbers both in the air and on the ground..
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nysportsfan
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I agree, I think. I say I think because Stafford is doing really well right now and I don't know what to do. I was thinking of shopping Cam but it's really good insurance at this point. I'm not sure if you should trade unless you have a glaring issue and you need to address it. I might aim high and see what I net.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
That's not exactly how I recall it going down, at least not in the one league I was in back then. Since Warner was fresh out of the grocery fields it was more like a "Wow. Another impressive week....but this just can't continue. It's not sustainable." vibe. Obviously, we were all wrong, but for most of that year the league was pretty skeptical of what was going on there. No one would have gave up what he was worth to his owner early in the year, and by the time it was apparent that he wasn't going away his owner wouldn't entertain any offers to move him anyway.I do think it's different with Cam, as you mentioned, because he was expected to produce by the team that drafted him #1 overall. I think the Rams, if you ever got an honest answer out of anyone around them from back then, would admit that they couldn't have dreamed Warner would hit as big as he did and they were surprised as anyone was.
As to Cam going forward....he's starting for me until he stops getting multiple TDs/cracking 300 yards a game. The one league in which I own him I've been rolling out Eli with Orton/Tebow as the backup so far. Not next week.
I'm not remotely expecting 30+ every week, but I think he's a better bet to crack 20 in any given week over the other mediocrity at QB that I have at my disposal.
Read the stat line and believe it. Aside from a few forced throws which were arguably done at a point in both games where they needed to make plays it simply is what it is. And - he's huge - so he COULD get hurt - but in comparison to Vick - that size matters in more than just the running game. It's obvious he can see the field and doesn't look to go down easy.
He is pretty much in complete control on the field and the Panthers know it and have no good reason to get in the way. He'll have free reign to learn what he can and cannot get away with in the NFL versus college.
BUMP J Stewart - Cam knows where the safety valve is.
Funny thing I see - you can tell he is not happy at all losing. He expects to be wining even with the pretty pedestrian Panthers.
And- -
I fully admit I bought in to all the anti CAM hype and decided he sucked. Poo Poo on me for listening to idiots and not watching. And boy did we all miss on one Steve Smith....ouch....
He is pretty much in complete control on the field and the Panthers know it and have no good reason to get in the way. He'll have free reign to learn what he can and cannot get away with in the NFL versus college.
BUMP J Stewart - Cam knows where the safety valve is.
Funny thing I see - you can tell he is not happy at all losing. He expects to be wining even with the pretty pedestrian Panthers.
And- -
I fully admit I bought in to all the anti CAM hype and decided he sucked. Poo Poo on me for listening to idiots and not watching. And boy did we all miss on one Steve Smith....ouch....
zoonation
Footballguy
Doesn't Cam get the Jags? I'm starting Cam.
bonesman
Footballguy
I don't see how that's funny/strange at all. Who's happy losing? That said... you can see he's taking the L's pretty hard. You don't see that big stupid grin at all when the game is out of reach. Real Deal.
bonesman
Footballguy
Yea... He gets the Jags. Still a tough call for me unless BigBen's knee isn't right.
Sadly he probably did. Statistically, NFL history does not in anyway seem to point to a guy improving upon his first two performances. I mean if he threw 300 every game for the rest of his career he'd be a legend and still have declined some from his first two games.'TheFanatic said:So after his first two career starts he's peaked and he's on the decline?'jbz said:
Don't over think this one.. start Cam vs the Jags for sure
I think their O has destroyed them and their D has been somewhat tough. Stats wise their opponent didn't flourish the last two weeks. Held CJ to some ridiculous low number, guess of 180 yards by Sanchez this week. I'm not saying they rock, but I don't think they're terrible either.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I have Matt Schaub. I'm not thinking twice...Schaub will be on my bench until further notice.'proninja said:
proninja
Footballguy
Me too. And me too.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
The only league I own Cam I also have Rivers.
I would give serious thought to starting Cam if San Diego wasn't playing that arrowheaded dungpile from Kansas City
I would give serious thought to starting Cam if San Diego wasn't playing that arrowheaded dungpile from Kansas City
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Picking him up off waivers to back up Aaron Rodgers. If anything maybe he becomes trade bait if he keeps this up.
Might as well keep dynamite out of my opponents hands.
Might as well keep dynamite out of my opponents hands.
zoonation
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure he is "trade bait" right now.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Henne is putting up Cam Newton like numbers. 
Trizzler
Footballguy
Not playing roster update here, but I also have Schaub in a PPC league with Bradford as the backup. Basically, I'm willing to give up a guy as valuable as Matt Forte to get Cam Newton from another owner. If I don't get that explosiveness on my roster at the QB position immediately, I may as well forfeit the remainder of my season. Houston has Tate and no reason to throw the ball; Carolina has to throw the ball just to keep up in the 1st quarter. (although they did lead early today after that amazing opening drive)I'll admit- I was one of Cam's biggest critics in any bar chat this past summer. Man, it just isn't possible to be more wrong than I was. Guy's a stud and he will finish as a top 6 fantasy QB regardless of what the Panthers record is.
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Reepicheep
Footballguy
Nice game by Cam. I'm buying it, this kid's gonna be around for a while. Congrats to Panthers fans, you have a rookie QB that's good enough to keep your team hanging with the world champs. Keep your head up.
He had a ton of success early on play action stuff, I'd say his biggest problem was they never showed they could actually run the ball so the Packers stopped paying attention to it and just played contain, the forced throws were almost inevitable at that point with a rookie that came out hot.
He had a ton of success early on play action stuff, I'd say his biggest problem was they never showed they could actually run the ball so the Packers stopped paying attention to it and just played contain, the forced throws were almost inevitable at that point with a rookie that came out hot.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Good to see all the crow pie being eaten in here. Props to those who admit what you see, and not sticking to pre-concieved notions of a big, black 1.01 QB pick.
One league I am happily trotting him out week after week over Bradford after Manning went down (luckily did week 1 & 2).
Another, I have Rivers as my starter. Getting hard to keep Cam on the benh. One more week...
For those wondering about Ben... Ben is a poor man's Cam Newton. Cam is what Ben was + some. I'll be interested to see if ego does the same thing to Cam, but if the Panthers don't improve the D, I don't see that happening. To quote my Auburn alumni best friend, "I haven't seen ability combined with work ethic and a desire to be great like this since Micheal Jordan." I'll add Jerry Rice and Tiger Woods to the list.
One league I am happily trotting him out week after week over Bradford after Manning went down (luckily did week 1 & 2).
Another, I have Rivers as my starter. Getting hard to keep Cam on the benh. One more week...
For those wondering about Ben... Ben is a poor man's Cam Newton. Cam is what Ben was + some. I'll be interested to see if ego does the same thing to Cam, but if the Panthers don't improve the D, I don't see that happening. To quote my Auburn alumni best friend, "I haven't seen ability combined with work ethic and a desire to be great like this since Micheal Jordan." I'll add Jerry Rice and Tiger Woods to the list.
massraider
Footballguy
I agree and disagree. Warner, people were picking him up off the waiver wire, didn't know who he was. But the 'feel good story' part was right, and this is the major difference between the discussion about Newton and Warner. I think people thought they caught lightning in a bottle, and went with it.'Joe Summer said:
Because Newton is NOT a feel-good story. He was/is easy to hate. Seriously, how many people do you think subconsciously moved him down their rankings because his father was a money-grubbing DBag? Or they didn't like his freaking smile? Or the college hype? And those are bad reasons to think a player will fail in the NFL, which is populated by guys that were essentially mercenaries in college, took money, and couldn't care less about their alma mater, going to class, or being student athletes.
As for Newton being expected to be great, I dunno. That was a pretty small bandwagon. Some pretty harsh stuff said about his pro prospects everywhere I looked. The worst tragedy of the offseason for the Panthers was Luck staying in school and the poor sad-sack Panthers being stuck with Newton. Maybe the least popular 1st rounder since Heyward-Bey.
I fully expect Newton to have rough patches, and have some terrible games, this season. Do I think he finishes as the #1 fantasy QB this year, or makes the Pro Bowl? No.
But man, I ain't gonna say he ISN'T going to do any of that. Even the believers expected the Pack to show the kid what the REAL NFL was like. One year of big-time college football! In a gimmick offense! And he comes in and does this? "Never done before". You don't get to use that phrase often, and you're using it for the kid's first two games.
He reminds me a bit of Cunningham. Not the blinding speed like Vick, just kind of gliding along, but getting places faster than other people, looking downfield. Can he put the ball in a spot between two defenders, like Brees? Not yet. But what's just as good, is buying time, and that receiver that was blanketed, is now wide open, and he doesn't need to thread the needle. So while he is learning to read defenses, and make smart decisions, he gets a larger margin for error, because defenses have to cover the receivers a second longer in the secondary.
The two things I like the most about him:
1. When he takes off, still looking to pass.
2. We haven't seen that rookie QB panic in the eyes. Looks real comfortable, it's pretty apparent the game isn't to big for him. Plays break down, and he sees opportunity, not a big hit coming.
Congrats, I think you're the first to bring up race in this thread.From my standpoint, I saw a guy that moved through the ranks too fast for my liking. I saw a guy with a skill set that lagged Vick's coming out of college coming to a bad team with minimal off season organized team drills, so it was pretty easy to expect results that fell short of Vick's first few years. I thought he would be a decent fantasy pick and would have some big games here and there as the team played from behind, but never a consistant fantasy starter in year one.In pre-season he showed he a command of the field and could move the team for points. During the regular season he's shown he can throw the out route with anyone in the league.
NCCommish
Footballguy
My knock on Cam was the baggage and my concern he wouldn't be able to adapt quickly to the pro game. And then all he did was go out and do the right thing at every turn. Everything he did in the off season was what he should have. He came into camp and what everybody talked about was his work ethic. Still didn't look great in preseason so I figured he'd do OK but may not have "it". Well game one starts and it turns out he has "it" and lots of it. Still could be a fluke. Then he comes out and makes Green Bay look like they sent the practice squad in the opening drive. No fluke after all, Carolina got themselves a real live franchise quarterback. I am so glad to have been wrong about Cam.
Disagree here, at least among the hardcore and reasonable Panthers fans. There were some concerns predraft, as expected for someone with rumored character concerns and one year of production. But as the public is quickly learning now, the guy's likability is just infectious. Everything he did in offseason just added to that momentum too. By the first preseason game Cam was arguably at legendary status among Panthers fans (of course with a couple haters thrown in there).
This is the same situation I'm in in my keeper league. I have Cam super cheap, and I got him at our auction with the idea that if he looked OK, I could keep him for next year. Now, I'm stuck with the question each week of starting him or Ben. Since there's no penalty for INTs in that league, his value is increased. I'm toying with the idea of trading Ben for help elsewhere, but still unsure about going "all in" with a rookie at QB.
Or how about "Bo Knows Cam, apparently."
Reepicheep
Footballguy
It occured to me this morning how crazy it is that at the start of last year's football season, nobody but SEC fans and college football recruiting junkies knew who Cam Newton was. And now some 55 weeks later, he is 2nd in the NFL in passing yards. 
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
I hear you, but it is also statistically, very unlikely that he would throw for 400 in the first two games. He has seen first string opposing D's for exactly two regular season games. He has had to read D's and pick up blitzes in only two games. Improving on 400 yards in a game is unlikely for any QB, but saying that the guy peaked after his second week doesn't make sense either. It's like picking up a golf club for the first time and birdying a hole at Augusta National. The kid has 14 more games to improve this year and maybe many years beyond that. And improvement doesn't have to be in yards. If next week he has only 300 yards passing (did I just say that?) and the TD and Int numbers from week two were reversed? That, to me, would be an improvement on this week in both NFL And Fantasy terms. What if he only throws for 200 yards next week but passes for 2 and runs for 3 and doesn't have a pick?Sadly he probably did. Statistically, NFL history does not in anyway seem to point to a guy improving upon his first two performances. I mean if he threw 300 every game for the rest of his career he'd be a legend and still have declined some from his first two games.'TheFanatic said:So after his first two career starts he's peaked and he's on the decline?'jbz said:
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
For the record, it was more an indictment/comparison to JaMarcus Russell than racism nationwide.
