Ilov80s
Footballguy
Agree. Also the Black Lives Matters and Anthem kneelers are a big PC point of contention. However, in those cases, the right wants those people to act more PC.
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Sweet J
Footballguy
Read what I wrote just above. I think calling it "PC" vs "non-PC" oversimplifies it. It's really a way of thinking, a way of . . . I don't know.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The rural vote is what carried Trump in the Midwest. Very odd that a bombastic billionaire New York City real estate reality TV star is the person they gravitated to.
Yeah, thanks for the response --I totally get it. I think "PC" is a misnomer here and shouldn't get mixed in with the racism, etc. My fault for including both in an earlier post --
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don't know if anyone can really identify it exactly, it's just the zeitgeist of the time. Everyone is angry about something and have a laundry list of complaints.
He's a snake oil salesman who is quite convincing in selling his brand. And adept at knowing how to entice an audience for the sale.
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Sweet J
Footballguy
oh, I have more, and I don't think my liberal friends will like it:
I'm convinced that the type of "racism" that gets mixed in is. . . . I don't know. What do you call a white irrigation layer who has lived in a small town all his life, has plenty of black friends. Co-workers, fellow church goers, neighbors, clients. Doesn't really think about race relations too much, and the whole thing makes him a little uncomforable to think about. Honestly doesn't think of himself as racist because his entire existence is defined by his own experiences.
At the same time, let's say he lives an hour away from the big city (pick one - Chigago, Cleveland, Philly, etc.), and it TERRIFIED at the idea of going into "certain neighborhoods" of the city because . . . who knows? Maybe he thinks that roving bands of gang members will kill him and rape his wife. Maybe he's afraid of a gang initiation. Whatever it is, he makes sure he stays away. And on the same token, shows like The Wire or Straight Outa Compton don't make him confortable either. It's just so . . . foreign to him.
Racist? Maybe. Hate "black people"? Surely not. Completely terrified of another culture he knows nothing about? Probably.
Anyway, I do think all that gets mixed together with the PC stuff.
jonessed
Footballguy
Many states don't even have early voting. How can it be a constitutional right? How early does the voting have to be to be constitutional?
mrip541
Footballguy
It seems like many people thought their vote for trump meant X or Y, but a lot of people here in blue states think it meant Z, where Z=You support hate groups of all flavors, obviously you're racist, you are afraid of brown people, you think it's funny to sexually assault women, you hate gays and Mexicans, you want to force your Jesus on everyone, you're morally corrupt beyond redemption, you're an enormous sucker, and you're flat lying about voting for X or Y. This is actually what very significant % of Americans are openly discussing all over the place. People here in NYC are beside themselves. skipping work, cancelling engagement parties, considering suicide, having breakdowns, losing faith in humanity. Deep within their soul they believe you're all terrible, hateful people, and they aren't going to change their minds. On first read it might sound funny but it's really not. Walking around the city today was like strolling through an enormous funeral.
Sweet J
Footballguy
I'm convinced that the people who voted him in knows what he is. They don't care. They want somebody to pay attention to them, dammit. If they need to burn some #### down to accomplish it, well, ok then. Any different than out of control rioters burning down the neighborhood business?
Blick
Footballguy
Blick
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm a Baltimore transplant so quite familiar with The Wire territory. Now in SC, I know a quite a few folks similar to what you just described. It (racism) is complicated. But I can separate that from "PC" stuff -- e.g.. the guys I know would just assume (and have) used the "N" word -- is that PC asking for black or african american? They're racists that don't necessarily hate black people,but not sure that makes anything better.
jonessed
Footballguy
It's their own damn fault. The economy sucks for a lot of the country and there is a major heroin problem that's filling the gaps. You wouldn't know it behind all of the BLM, transgender bathroom, La Raza crap, but it's there and it's a big deal.
If the Democrats listened they wouldn't be in this mess, but instead, they ran to their safe spaces and called them all racist, uneducated, bigots. It's all over threads in here... poor white people... screw them... white privelege. These are people the economy left behind, men and women, who are trying to take care of their families and make a living like anyone else.
Democrats blew them off because of the color of their skin. I hope Trump finds them some help and they never go back to the Democrat party.
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If you are referring to the Baltimore incident, or any blacklivesmatter incident, I'm not willing to equate a people that have been repressed and previously enslaved for a period of 200 yrs to an economically depressed white American demographic.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I feel like it's possible to consider BLM's concerns about how poor black neighborhoods are policed and the concerns of working class whites left behind by globalization as being equally valid.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Bernie:
"Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him."
"Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him."
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
My apologies. I didn't notice who I was dealing with. I forgot what a drain you are on actual discourse. I'm not going to chase you further into your Weeds Of Obtuseness.
When you form a post like what you've done here, you're either too dumb to participate, or are unwilling to seek what the intended meaning of the other person's words were. In either case, you're a waste of time and bandwidth.
Good day, sir.
Pooch
More Yang than Yin
jonessed
Footballguy
Don't hear bout too many ex white factory workers being profiled and shot by law enforcement.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You forgot to accuse him of not being able to critically think in your usual rant of insults you throw.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Almost all of the explanatory narratives above appear to be wrong.
Clinton won the 17% of the country that is poor, makes less than 30k by a big 12% margin. 53-41 (6 other).
Clinton won the 19% of the country that is lower middle class earning between 30-50k by a healthy margin, 51-42.
In the middle, upper middle and upper classes, 50-100k, 100-200k, 200-250k, and 250k+, representing 65% of the vote, Trump one each category by narrow margins between 1-4 percent. The rich voted for Trump, the middle class and upper middle class voted for Trump -- both were relatively close. The struggling and poor leaned heavily for Clinton.
The 149 counties with the largest decrease in unemployment swung heavily for Trump. 69% - 27%. This does not fit the narrative in this thread.
This was about frustrated financially okay and even better off white people, bigly.
White men, 34% of the vote, broke for Trump 63-31%.
White women, 36% of the vote, 52-43% for Trump.
Latino women 68% Clinton, 26% Trump. Think about it. 1 in 4 Latino women pulled the lever for Trump.
Latino men 62 Clnton, 33% Trump. 1 out of every 3.
Blacks broke heavily for Clinton, 93% women, 80% men.
Clinton won the 17% of the country that is poor, makes less than 30k by a big 12% margin. 53-41 (6 other).
Clinton won the 19% of the country that is lower middle class earning between 30-50k by a healthy margin, 51-42.
In the middle, upper middle and upper classes, 50-100k, 100-200k, 200-250k, and 250k+, representing 65% of the vote, Trump one each category by narrow margins between 1-4 percent. The rich voted for Trump, the middle class and upper middle class voted for Trump -- both were relatively close. The struggling and poor leaned heavily for Clinton.
The 149 counties with the largest decrease in unemployment swung heavily for Trump. 69% - 27%. This does not fit the narrative in this thread.
This was about frustrated financially okay and even better off white people, bigly.
White men, 34% of the vote, broke for Trump 63-31%.
White women, 36% of the vote, 52-43% for Trump.
Latino women 68% Clinton, 26% Trump. Think about it. 1 in 4 Latino women pulled the lever for Trump.
Latino men 62 Clnton, 33% Trump. 1 out of every 3.
Blacks broke heavily for Clinton, 93% women, 80% men.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
I SAID GOOD DAY!
Card Trader
Footballguy
Wait, does this mean all Trump supporters/voters aren't poor uneducated rednecks? I don't believe it!
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Trump really outperformed Romney in Florida, Penn and WIsc with low income voters.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
I'm serious when I say this -- I'd like to thank this forum's Left leaning posters for putting forth good arguments and not feeling the need to dehumanize and attack political opponents on personal grounds (though, we've all likely been guilty of that at one time or another.)
In any event, you're good people and this forum is a great outlet to discuss ideas without having to worry about alienating real life friends and relatives. Thanks for your valuable contributions, and I apologize to anyone who's ever felt attacked by me (though, I generally try to avoid doing that.)
In any event, you're good people and this forum is a great outlet to discuss ideas without having to worry about alienating real life friends and relatives. Thanks for your valuable contributions, and I apologize to anyone who's ever felt attacked by me (though, I generally try to avoid doing that.)
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I think those numbers become more interesting if they're put in the context with the same numbers from past elections. Were the margins bigger/smaller in past elections?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I got them from a tweet storm. I'm sure exit polling data will be carefully analyzed over the next few days. So we'll know more then. As ILuv80s pointed out, the lower incomes did change things in battle grounds. I haven't seen that data but I don't doubt it.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Believe Wisconsin was one where they previously voted Obama. Waiting to see end stats
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
Bernie:
"Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.
To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him."
Love this man, hope someone (Tulsi Gabbard) picks up where he left off and carries the torch in 2020 or 24.
Card Trader
Footballguy
Protests 
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Tulsi Gabbard... The Bernie Endorsing Congresswoman Who Trump Fans Can Love? I wasn't familiar with her, but this is not a good first impression.
Love this man, hope someone (Tulsi Gabbard) picks up where he left off and carries the torch in 2020 or 24.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
TheMagus
Footballguy
Getting 80% of a demographic means they are refusing to play along in the rigged game?
Quez
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Eh, he basically said "fine, don't take the taste, but I'm weighting your next test double." If a student wants that added pressure, I'm okay with that.Those poor, delicate, little flowers
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
I like what Trump will do in his first 100 days.
* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/50142...on-concedes-presidential-race-to-donald-trump
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WATCH: Hillary Clinton Concedes Presidential Race To Donald Trump
* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.
On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:
* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501436007/watch-president-obama-to-speak-on-trump-win-clinton-loss
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WATCH: President Obama On Trump Win, Clinton Loss
* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure
Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:
* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back
* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.
Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:
This is my pledge to you.
And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.
* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/50142...on-concedes-presidential-race-to-donald-trump
POLITICS
WATCH: Hillary Clinton Concedes Presidential Race To Donald Trump
* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.
On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:
* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501436007/watch-president-obama-to-speak-on-trump-win-clinton-loss
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WATCH: President Obama On Trump Win, Clinton Loss
* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure
Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:
* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back
* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.
Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:
- Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.
- End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.
- American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.
- School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.
- Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.
- Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.
- End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.
- Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.
- Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values
- Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.
This is my pledge to you.
And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.
Card Trader
Footballguy
Wish we could stop hearing about popular vote, it's silly, if that mattered and was what elected our President you don't think Trump would have spent more time in population centers in CA/NY/IL to get more voters out in deep blue states?
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