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Bought a new truck last week. Didn't really plan it for any other reason than that's how it worked out. Feeling good about the timing right now.
What ya get? My wife and I have had both cars paid off for 10 years. Lately I've been fighting getting a new truck.
2025 ram 1500 bighorn. Rides like floating on a cloud. So far I love it.

ETA I also had a paid off truck for 10 years but it was starting to nickel and dime me, so it was time while it still had decent trade in value.
Well done buddy. That's a big boy truck. Enjoy. That nickel and dime route is where I'm at. The neeeeext 800 dollar repair it's time. And then the neeeeext one. You know the game. Ha ha
 
Bought a new truck last week. Didn't really plan it for any other reason than that's how it worked out. Feeling good about the timing right now.
What ya get? My wife and I have had both cars paid off for 10 years. Lately I've been fighting getting a new truck.
2025 ram 1500 bighorn. Rides like floating on a cloud. So far I love it.

ETA I also had a paid off truck for 10 years but it was starting to nickel and dime me, so it was time while it still had decent trade in value.
Well done buddy. That's a big boy truck. Enjoy. That nickel and dime route is where I'm at. The neeeeext 800 dollar repair it's time. And then the neeeeext one. You know the game. Ha ha
It's a beauty. More bells and whistles than i need, but i guess a lot of that stuff is pretty cool. I like black trucks and it's completely blacked out. I looked at my wife and go "how much more black could it be?" She goes "the answer is none more, black". This is why i keep her around.

The main engine computer failed on my old truck and it was a major pia to diagnose as it was intermittent. 1700 for repair. I'm good, time for a new one.
 
Bought a new truck last week. Didn't really plan it for any other reason than that's how it worked out. Feeling good about the timing right now.
Feeling even better avoiding a 10k interest bill by paying cash. Feeling even better than that by using the money from investments that aren't circling the toilet right now. In the short term I'm pretty happy, long term we'll see, but i don't see a lot to be confident in anytime soon.
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Stellantis closing it's Windsor plant for two weeks makes me wonder... Who is still buying what Stellantis is selling in North America?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in Ontario and the closure is bad for us but they're making Chrysler Pacificas, Grand Caravans and EV Chargers? They have some quality brands and vehicles on the European side.

Hoping given the tariffs, Canada opens the door to BYD and they can take over that space when it inevitably closes.
 
Stellantis closing it's Windsor plant for two weeks makes me wonder... Who is still buying what Stellantis is selling in North America?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in Ontario and the closure is bad for us but they're making Chrysler Pacificas, Grand Caravans and EV Chargers? They have some quality brands and vehicles on the European side.

Hoping given the tariffs, Canada opens the door to BYD and they can take over that space when it inevitably closes.
Chinese OEMs have ballpark 25% share in Mexico. They don't report sales like traditional OEMs so it is a bit tough to gauge. I don't think Canada is ready to let China in the door yet...
 
Stellantis closing it's Windsor plant for two weeks makes me wonder... Who is still buying what Stellantis is selling in North America?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in Ontario and the closure is bad for us but they're making Chrysler Pacificas, Grand Caravans and EV Chargers? They have some quality brands and vehicles on the European side.

Hoping given the tariffs, Canada opens the door to BYD and they can take over that space when it inevitably closes.
Just bought a ram 1500 which is stellantis. They're pretty popular, atleast where I'm at. Unless you're talking vehicles specifically made in Windsor which on that i wouldn't know much about.
 
Stellantis closing it's Windsor plant for two weeks makes me wonder... Who is still buying what Stellantis is selling in North America?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in Ontario and the closure is bad for us but they're making Chrysler Pacificas, Grand Caravans and EV Chargers? They have some quality brands and vehicles on the European side.

Hoping given the tariffs, Canada opens the door to BYD and they can take over that space when it inevitably closes.
Just bought a ram 1500 which is stellantis. They're pretty popular, atleast where I'm at. Unless you're talking vehicles specifically made in Windsor which on that i wouldn't know much about.
I was curious so I looked it up. Ford is eating everyone's lunch in Canada.

Best selling brands:

1. Ford
2. Toyota
3. Chevrolet
4. Hyundai
5. Honda

Trucks specifically

1. Ford F Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra
3. Ram P/U
4. Toyota Tacoma
5. Toyota Tundra
 
Stellantis closing it's Windsor plant for two weeks makes me wonder... Who is still buying what Stellantis is selling in North America?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in Ontario and the closure is bad for us but they're making Chrysler Pacificas, Grand Caravans and EV Chargers? They have some quality brands and vehicles on the European side.

Hoping given the tariffs, Canada opens the door to BYD and they can take over that space when it inevitably closes.
Just bought a ram 1500 which is stellantis. They're pretty popular, atleast where I'm at. Unless you're talking vehicles specifically made in Windsor which on that i wouldn't know much about.
I was curious so I looked it up. Ford is eating everyone's lunch in Canada.

Best selling brands:

1. Ford
2. Toyota
3. Chevrolet
4. Hyundai
5. Honda

Trucks specifically

1. Ford F Series
2. Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra
3. Ram P/U
4. Toyota Tacoma
5. Toyota Tundra
I'll bet that list looks similar in the states aswell. I know Ford F Series are the best selling trucks here too.
 
Stellantis closing it's Windsor plant for two weeks makes me wonder... Who is still buying what Stellantis is selling in North America?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in Ontario and the closure is bad for us but they're making Chrysler Pacificas, Grand Caravans and EV Chargers? They have some quality brands and vehicles on the European side.

Hoping given the tariffs, Canada opens the door to BYD and they can take over that space when it inevitably closes.
Stellantis brands (Chrysler, Dodge/RAM, Jeep, etc) have generally always been big sellers in the US.

They've always been among the most affordable brands. Sales are down now on a lot of models now because they decided they wanted to enter the luxury market.

Of course, by "enter the luxury market", I mean they stuck luxury price tags on non-luxury vehicles.

But when the price is right, Americans like Stellantis products.
 
Ford launches employee pricing - sometimes having a big day supply is a good thing.
I’m at a Jeep dealership getting my wife’s Wrangler 50k service done and their sales manager just announced Stellantis was doing the same thing. Also mentioned 2.9% 84 month financing. He was talking up it being a great time to buy before tariffs increase prices. I need 1 more car come August as my youngest is headed to college and he drives my car now or shares it. We got the Wrangler for my wife because she always wanted a convertible and it’s been great so far playing a convertible and also being good for travel/daily, but I have 0 interest in adding another Stellantis vehicle. I’ve been looking at used Lexus NXs or letting him have my car and getting a used but newer RX for me. Low $20k to $30k gets a nice one of either with lowish miles and AWD/parking sensors and Apple Car Play, which are my must haves. We’ve had great luck with Lexus, Toyota and Honda.
 
Stellantis closing it's Windsor plant for two weeks makes me wonder... Who is still buying what Stellantis is selling in North America?

Don't get me wrong, I'm in Ontario and the closure is bad for us but they're making Chrysler Pacificas, Grand Caravans and EV Chargers? They have some quality brands and vehicles on the European side.

Hoping given the tariffs, Canada opens the door to BYD and they can take over that space when it inevitably closes.
Stellantis brands (Chrysler, Dodge/RAM, Jeep, etc) have generally always been big sellers in the US.

They've always been among the most affordable brands. Sales are down now on a lot of models now because they decided they wanted to enter the luxury market.

Of course, by "enter the luxury market", I mean they stuck luxury price tags on non-luxury vehicles.

But when the price is right, Americans like Stellantis products.
We leased like 5 straight Town and Country / Pacifica. They’re nice if you need a minivan and generally cheaper than a Sienna / Odyssey

We got priced out last time around though

Outside of the minivans and jeeps stellantis really shouldn’t exist. Rams I guess but they’re the 3rd best truck at best
 
Rams I guess but they’re the 3rd best truck at best
Serious question, how come? I just bought one and it's pretty slick. I've owned ford's in the past and like ram a lot better. No offense taken, just generally curious.
I probably wasn’t being fair, but from a sales standpoint they’re third and personally I only know people with F-series or Sierras

I also don’t have a high opinion on Stellantis quality and having dealt with the Big 3 throughout my career they always seem to be the least competent
 
You can do a little digging around on Stellantis and find a lot of negative sentiment.

I really like the freshened up Jeep Cheerokees that came out several years ago. I saw them everywhere. I'm not an SUV guy, so stuck in my head.

I never see them any more. Mentioned this to a mechanic, and he was like, yeah cause they were built horribly.
 
Think we'll be sticking with one car for the foreseeable future.
I will likely buy my car after my lease is up, instead of leasing again, precisely because of the tariffs.
Interesting. What's the difference in cost between if you bought it the beginning compared to leasing it then buying it?
I'd have to do the math, but it's not significant. The residual value is locked at the beginning of the lease, so I know what it is.
 
You can do a little digging around on Stellantis and find a lot of negative sentiment.

I really like the freshened up Jeep Cheerokees that came out several years ago. I saw them everywhere. I'm not an SUV guy, so stuck in my head.

I never see them any more. Mentioned this to a mechanic, and he was like, yeah cause they were built horribly.
Yeah, I know whenever the reliability/dependability rankings are released, the Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/etc brands are always ranked pretty low. I always got the impression they are constantly needing repairs of some kind (never owned one though so take it for what it's worth).
 
We have a great credit score and are likely taking a home equity loan this summer. Does anyone know if that may impact the interest rate we qualify for if we take out a car loan this fall? Due to the events of the last couple months, I'm not devoting the head space to type or new vs used (leaning used) until this summer, but that answer could alter our plan.
 
We have a great credit score and are likely taking a home equity loan this summer. Does anyone know if that may impact the interest rate we qualify for if we take out a car loan this fall? Due to the events of the last couple months, I'm not devoting the head space to type or new vs used (leaning used) until this summer, but that answer could alter our plan.

I mean that depends on your overall credit line and utilization.
 
We have a great credit score and are likely taking a home equity loan this summer. Does anyone know if that may impact the interest rate we qualify for if we take out a car loan this fall? Due to the events of the last couple months, I'm not devoting the head space to type or new vs used (leaning used) until this summer, but that answer could alter our plan.

I mean that depends on your overall credit line and utilization.
To provide an actually useful answer:

It depends on your credit line (how much credit you already have relative to things like income - if you have a ton of credit already, then having another line makes you riskier) and your utilization (if you utilize a ton of your available credit, it hurts a lot more than if you have a bunch available but unutilized).

These are still generalizations, and credit scoring stuff is super particular and sensitive to specific facts of a given person's situation.
 
I have a 2020 Honda CRV that I had intended to keep for like 10 years before looking into a new vehicle.
Given that auto prices are gonna go up, was wondering if it made sense to sell it now and buy new before that happens or just wait the 5 more years.
If I new for a fact auto prices would still be inflated in like 5 years I'd probably sell and get a new one now
 
We have a great credit score and are likely taking a home equity loan this summer. Does anyone know if that may impact the interest rate we qualify for if we take out a car loan this fall? Due to the events of the last couple months, I'm not devoting the head space to type or new vs used (leaning used) until this summer, but that answer could alter our plan.

I mean that depends on your overall credit line and utilization.
To provide an actually useful answer:

It depends on your credit line (how much credit you already have relative to things like income - if you have a ton of credit already, then having another line makes you riskier) and your utilization (if you utilize a ton of your available credit, it hurts a lot more than if you have a bunch available but unutilized).

These are still generalizations, and credit scoring stuff is super particular and sensitive to specific facts of a given person's situation.
I think we should be good then. Only still owe ~$20K on the house, that's our only current debt, pay off credit cards every month, and credit score's started with an 8 since sometime last decade. Unsure how much we're borrowing for home equity, depends on quotes and how big the better half wants to go. Doubt it'd be more than $50K, may be as small as $20K. How big drives the car budget then I'll start thinking about what to do - sitting here right now I would like to target post lease ~$15K, but after a couple weeks driving a new Encore I'm tempted to go further.
 
I have a 2020 Honda CRV that I had intended to keep for like 10 years before looking into a new vehicle.
Given that auto prices are gonna go up, was wondering if it made sense to sell it now and buy new before that happens or just wait the 5 more years.
If I new for a fact auto prices would still be inflated in like 5 years I'd probably sell and get a new one now

I’d keep that car until it fell apart. No way I’d be signing up for an auto loan right now if I didn’t have to.
 
I have a 2020 Honda CRV that I had intended to keep for like 10 years before looking into a new vehicle.
Given that auto prices are gonna go up, was wondering if it made sense to sell it now and buy new before that happens or just wait the 5 more years.
If I new for a fact auto prices would still be inflated in like 5 years I'd probably sell and get a new one now

I’d keep that car until it fell apart. No way I’d be signing up for an auto loan right now if I didn’t have to.
I probably wouldnt need a loan.
But yeah, most likely scenario is a keep the car till 200k miles or so and then figure it out
 
We have a great credit score and are likely taking a home equity loan this summer. Does anyone know if that may impact the interest rate we qualify for if we take out a car loan this fall? Due to the events of the last couple months, I'm not devoting the head space to type or new vs used (leaning used) until this summer, but that answer could alter our plan.

I mean that depends on your overall credit line and utilization.
To provide an actually useful answer:

It depends on your credit line (how much credit you already have relative to things like income - if you have a ton of credit already, then having another line makes you riskier) and your utilization (if you utilize a ton of your available credit, it hurts a lot more than if you have a bunch available but unutilized).

These are still generalizations, and credit scoring stuff is super particular and sensitive to specific facts of a given person's situation.
I think we should be good then. Only still owe ~$20K on the house, that's our only current debt, pay off credit cards every month, and credit score's started with an 8 since sometime last decade. Unsure how much we're borrowing for home equity, depends on quotes and how big the better half wants to go. Doubt it'd be more than $50K, may be as small as $20K. How big drives the car budget then I'll start thinking about what to do - sitting here right now I would like to target post lease ~$15K, but after a couple weeks driving a new Encore I'm tempted to go further.

Why not just refinance in this case.
 
Currently have a 2015 Chevy equinox. Close to 99,000 miles. Valued at about $5,000. Wife does not want to get rid of it. One big problem. Grand daughter #3 just got her drivers license. We already bought vehicles for the first two grandchildren. My wife just wants to give her $5000 to buy something. No way she can get something as nice as what we have. I say give her our car and we buy another one. Wife likes her equinox. I would like to keep anything new around $30,000. We drive less than 10,000 miles a year. Not sure what to do.
 
Rams I guess but they’re the 3rd best truck at best
Serious question, how come? I just bought one and it's pretty slick. I've owned ford's in the past and like ram a lot better. No offense taken, just generally curious.
Longtime Ram owner. Currently have a personal 1500 Limited. Nicest, best riding, and most utilitarian truck I've ever owned. Wouldn't buy another truck without Ramboxes and the 40/60 split tailgate. Love the air suspension.

I also have about 20 1500, 2500, and 5500 business trucks. They are higher maintenance than previous Toyotas, far less maintenance than previous GM products, and about on par with Fords. But they cost 10-15k less to acquire so the TCO is lower on them for us vs. Anything but the older generation Toyotas.

This is a small sample but I'm bought in based on it.
 
We have a great credit score and are likely taking a home equity loan this summer. Does anyone know if that may impact the interest rate we qualify for if we take out a car loan this fall? Due to the events of the last couple months, I'm not devoting the head space to type or new vs used (leaning used) until this summer, but that answer could alter our plan.

I mean that depends on your overall credit line and utilization.
To provide an actually useful answer:

It depends on your credit line (how much credit you already have relative to things like income - if you have a ton of credit already, then having another line makes you riskier) and your utilization (if you utilize a ton of your available credit, it hurts a lot more than if you have a bunch available but unutilized).

These are still generalizations, and credit scoring stuff is super particular and sensitive to specific facts of a given person's situation.
I think we should be good then. Only still owe ~$20K on the house, that's our only current debt, pay off credit cards every month, and credit score's started with an 8 since sometime last decade. Unsure how much we're borrowing for home equity, depends on quotes and how big the better half wants to go. Doubt it'd be more than $50K, may be as small as $20K. How big drives the car budget then I'll start thinking about what to do - sitting here right now I would like to target post lease ~$15K, but after a couple weeks driving a new Encore I'm tempted to go further.

Why not just refinance in this case.
We'll ask what it looks like and schedule it out, but since our existing interest rate is 2.75% I'll be mildly surprised if it makes sense. I'm expecting to take out a home equity loan then re-fi it in a few years assuming (hoping?) interest rates are better then vs now. May be looking at buying a second property about then too.
 
Currently have a 2015 Chevy equinox. Close to 99,000 miles. Valued at about $5,000. Wife does not want to get rid of it. One big problem. Grand daughter #3 just got her drivers license. We already bought vehicles for the first two grandchildren. My wife just wants to give her $5000 to buy something. No way she can get something as nice as what we have. I say give her our car and we buy another one. Wife likes her equinox. I would like to keep anything new around $30,000. We drive less than 10,000 miles a year. Not sure what to do.
Give grand daughter the 2015 Equinox and buy a 2025 Equinox for the wife. MSRP starts at under 30K for those things
 
I wouldn't buy a Ford. My youngest daughter has a 2016 Edge and the engine was replaced at 60,000 miles
Dozens of other little things too. Molding stips coming off. Seal around door leaking. Brakes don't last.
Their quality has gone way down.

I have a 2014 Durango that has been the best car I've ever owned. Last year they were part of Mercedes and it shows.
167,000 and has original brakes. ZF trans is easily the best I have driven.

However, I feel like I'm on borrowed time with it. Been looking at going a bit smaller now that my girls are adults.

I feel like now may be a good time to move on from it.
 
I wouldn't buy a Ford. My youngest daughter has a 2016 Edge and the engine was replaced at 60,000 miles
Dozens of other little things too. Molding stips coming off. Seal around door leaking. Brakes don't last.
Their quality has gone way down.

I have a 2014 Durango that has been the best car I've ever owned. Last year they were part of Mercedes and it shows.
167,000 and has original brakes. ZF trans is easily the best I have driven.

However, I feel like I'm on borrowed time with it. Been looking at going a bit smaller now that my girls are adults.

I feel like now may be a good time to move on from it.
Dodge was acquired by Cerebus in 2007. I liked the old body style Durango that ended around 2003.
 
I wouldn't buy a Ford. My youngest daughter has a 2016 Edge and the engine was replaced at 60,000 miles
Dozens of other little things too. Molding stips coming off. Seal around door leaking. Brakes don't last.
Their quality has gone way down.

I have a 2014 Durango that has been the best car I've ever owned. Last year they were part of Mercedes and it shows.
167,000 and has original brakes. ZF trans is easily the best I have driven.

However, I feel like I'm on borrowed time with it. Been looking at going a bit smaller now that my girls are adults.

I feel like now may be a good time to move on from it.


As a guy who changes his wife’s 2010 brakes twice a year -I can confirm - The calipers/brake system on the ford edges are undersized. I looked into upgrading and it was cost prohibitive.

We have also replaced the engine, transfer case and a few other items. With all its problems it’s still a beast of a vehicle. Plenty of power, AWD, roomy compared to all others in its class.

It’s paid off and she loves it still so I’ll keep fixing it.
 
We have narrowed it down to 3 vehicles for my wife. We are slow rolling it and being patient. Weird time to buy a new car. Will purchase one of these this month.

2025 Honda HRV Sport. CRVs are just boxy and tank like. HRV is sharp. 1% interest for 3 years.

2025 Mazda CX5 Carbon Edition. I really liked the way it drives.

2025 Toyota Rav4 XLE. Most expensive of the 3. Prolly the better car.
 
I wouldn't buy a Ford. My youngest daughter has a 2016 Edge and the engine was replaced at 60,000 miles
Dozens of other little things too. Molding stips coming off. Seal around door leaking. Brakes don't last.
Their quality has gone way down.

I have a 2014 Durango that has been the best car I've ever owned. Last year they were part of Mercedes and it shows.
167,000 and has original brakes. ZF trans is easily the best I have driven.

However, I feel like I'm on borrowed time with it. Been looking at going a bit smaller now that my girls are adults.

I feel like now may be a good time to move on from it.
2016 was a bad year for the Edge. We have a 2020 and 2024 and really like them.
 
I wouldn't buy a Ford. My youngest daughter has a 2016 Edge and the engine was replaced at 60,000 miles
Dozens of other little things too. Molding stips coming off. Seal around door leaking. Brakes don't last.
Their quality has gone way down.

I have a 2014 Durango that has been the best car I've ever owned. Last year they were part of Mercedes and it shows.
167,000 and has original brakes. ZF trans is easily the best I have driven.

However, I feel like I'm on borrowed time with it. Been looking at going a bit smaller now that my girls are adults.

I feel like now may be a good time to move on from it.
2016 was a bad year for the Edge. We have a 2020 and 2024 and really like them.
The vehicle we are trading is a 2013 Ford Escape Titanium. Had this vehicle since brand new. Shipped it over the ocean twice. I absolutely loved this car. Had zero issues throughout its tenure. Just feels like it's starting to hit thst point where it's gonna nickel and dime me.
 
We have narrowed it down to 3 vehicles for my wife. We are slow rolling it and being patient. Weird time to buy a new car. Will purchase one of these this month.

2025 Honda HRV Sport. CRVs are just boxy and tank like. HRV is sharp. 1% interest for 3 years.

2025 Mazda CX5 Carbon Edition. I really liked the way it drives.

2025 Toyota Rav4 XLE. Most expensive of the 3. Prolly the better car.
We looked at and liked all 3 of these in our search. Only the RAV4 comfortably fit me and an infant carseat behind me. If not for that criteria, we'd have just gone with whichever was cheapest I think.
 
I wouldn't buy a Ford. My youngest daughter has a 2016 Edge and the engine was replaced at 60,000 miles
Dozens of other little things too. Molding stips coming off. Seal around door leaking. Brakes don't last.
Their quality has gone way down.

I have a 2014 Durango that has been the best car I've ever owned. Last year they were part of Mercedes and it shows.
167,000 and has original brakes. ZF trans is easily the best I have driven.

However, I feel like I'm on borrowed time with it. Been looking at going a bit smaller now that my girls are adults.

I feel like now may be a good time to move on from it.
2016 was a bad year for the Edge. We have a 2020 and 2024 and really like them.
The vehicle we are trading is a 2013 Ford Escape Titanium. Had this vehicle since brand new. Shipped it over the ocean twice. I absolutely loved this car. Had zero issues throughout its tenure. Just feels like it's starting to hit thst point where it's gonna nickel and dime me.
I had a 2013 Escape SE. Had 100,000 on it last year and a deer decided to commit suicide into the front left fender and then rolled down the side denting both doors and setting off all of the airbags in the doors.
 
We have narrowed it down to 3 vehicles for my wife. We are slow rolling it and being patient. Weird time to buy a new car. Will purchase one of these this month.

2025 Honda HRV Sport. CRVs are just boxy and tank like. HRV is sharp. 1% interest for 3 years.

2025 Mazda CX5 Carbon Edition. I really liked the way it drives.

2025 Toyota Rav4 XLE. Most expensive of the 3. Prolly the better car.
We looked at and liked all 3 of these in our search. Only the RAV4 comfortably fit me and an infant carseat behind me. If not for that criteria, we'd have just gone with whichever was cheapest I think.
That's where we are. We are slowing playing the 3 dealerships to see which offers the best deal in the end. So u did purchase the RAV4? If so, still like it after some time?
 

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