Carr available for a 3rd round pick? (1 Viewer)

[T Man]

No one is trading for Carr. If he were cut someone would sign him but that's about it.

If a team traded for Joey Harrington, there certainly is a team that will trade for Carr.I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland tried to trade for Carr -- although I think a 3rd rounder would kill any deal. But a conditional 4th and I think Cleveland would be game. He still has an arm and has started many a game. A change of scenery may do him well.

 

[redman]

No one is trading for Carr. If he were cut someone would sign him but that's about it.

If a team traded for Joey Harrington, there certainly is a team that will trade for Carr.I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland tried to trade for Carr -- although I think a 3rd rounder would kill any deal. But a conditional 4th and I think Cleveland would be game. He still has an arm and has started many a game. A change of scenery may do him well.

Yep, and he sure knows how to run for his life behind a weak line.

 

[Banger]

No one is trading for Carr. If he were cut someone would sign him but that's about it.

If a team traded for Joey Harrington, there certainly is a team that will trade for Carr.I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland tried to trade for Carr -- although I think a 3rd rounder would kill any deal. But a conditional 4th and I think Cleveland would be game. He still has an arm and has started many a game. A change of scenery may do him well.

Harrington was dealt for a 6th and I don't think Carr is any better, IMO he's a worse QB. He's shown very little improvement in 5 years as a starter. In his 1st year as a starter he threw the ball 444 times (52% completion) for 2592 yards 9 td's and 15 ints, this year in 442 attempts (68% completion rate) he threw for 2767 (175 yards more) 11 td's and 12 int's. The only thing he's improved on is his completion % but that hasn't helped him get more yards or td's, he just completes a lot of 3 yard passes that the defense gives him all day. A 3rd or 4th would be a steal for him when a team can sign Huard or other potential FA's without giving up a draft pick.

 

[jestertj]

Carr needs to go to a team that is stable and has a starting QB nearing the end. A year of sitting on the bench, relearning football and catching his breath is his best bet to get his career back on track. Teams that fit that description are not plentiful though. The Ravens (if they don't see Boller has the answer), the Chiefs (depending on what they see in Croyle), Carlolina (there appears to be questions about Jake) and Green Bay could be good landing spots for him as well as making sense for the team. If he ends up in a sitruation like Oakland he may be institutionalized by mid-October.

Him getting a new start and at least some time off, if not a full season, would seem to make sense to me. I'm not ready to bring him to my squad and just hand him the starting job.

 

[Warhogs]

If I needed a QB I would be very interested in a guy like that for a 3rd round pick. A lot of QBs take several years to develop and often times teams give up on them too early. Testaverde stunk it up many years and developed late, Plummer kind of washed out in Arizona and then rebounded later with Denver. Assuming I could keep Carr for a few seasons at a fairly cheap contract I would easily spend a 3rd round pick on him.

Someone else pointed out that his completion % has improved but the yards and tds have not. I personally feel more positive about his growing completion % than I feel negative about his yards and tds not improving. He really had only 1 great weapon this year in AJ so it makes it tough to step up those yards and tds. The completion % shows me that he is growing and understanding that he needs to take what the defense gives him. Houston has so few weapons that I think it would be difficult for just about any QB to excel.

 

[Buckna]

This pill for Houston fans in regards to Vince Young keeps getting more and more bitter, as if that was even possible.

As a Texans fan, if we could go redo things we should have signed Drew Brees and used the #1 pick elsewhere, so I'm not finding it any more bitter, personally.As for who QBs the Texans next year... you know I don't even care. There's so many other positions we need help at, I'm fine with a stop gap measure and look at getting a long term QB next year or the year after. A cornerback and the O-line are the two biggest needs in my opinion.

You'll find me in agreement here. The fans have completely lost faith in Carr. He managed to improve somewhat this year, but by mid-season started to show the things that have convinced people he doesn't have it upstairs. The straw that broke the camal's back was the 2nd Tenn game at home. Not because Vince was good, but because Carr just made some real boneheaded plays. The 2 forward laterals he tried to make were real just type moments.I never wanted Vince and would of been very happy with Brees. Both Vince and Brees have turned out better than I expected but I question whether they would of had anywhere near the same kind of success in Houston. Let the message boards and talking heads bash us all they want for the next few years. No sense us dwelling on what could of been, we have to focus on finding an eventual replacement at QB and shoring up other holes.

I'm all for a stop-gap Plummer for a year or two. The longterm QB replacement we need won't be available in the draft this year without trading up for Russell (I don't like Quinn at all), so let's fix something else and sign Plummer for something manageable. Add Peterson or Adams or Landry or whatever player we think is best at our pick and if we're lucky someone will shell something out for Carr.

 

[Rovers]

Doesn't Carr have a ridiculous contract? From what I remember, he is two years into a big deal, and I would think the cap hit for trading him, and his 2007 salary would make him pretty much untradable. Harrington was in a completely different situation, contract wise. I think Houston's best bet is to renog Carr's contract, keep him as a backup, and look elsewhere for a new starter. Anyone with info on what the cap hit would be if traded, and what his salary is for 2007?

 

[GregR_2]

Doesn't Carr have a ridiculous contract? From what I remember, he is two years into a big deal, and I would think the cap hit for trading him, and his 2007 salary would make him pretty much untradable. Harrington was in a completely different situation, contract wise. I think Houston's best bet is to renog Carr's contract, keep him as a backup, and look elsewhere for a new starter. Anyone with info on what the cap hit would be if traded, and what his salary is for 2007?

No, he's at the end of his rookie contract, which had a 2 or 3 year option for the Texans to decide going into last year, and they chose the 3 year option. So he has 2 years left. Someone already put a link in the thread with an article on his cap status.

 

[coolnerd]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4550188.html

Looks they are not ignoring the phones call for Carr.

 

[pizzatyme]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.

He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?

If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.

The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

 

[prymetyme25]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

I used to say the same thing about having no line and no weapons and i defended this guy to the max. Then I took off the homer glasses and watched him as if i were watching any other qb. and THIS year that line was not that bad. He had plenty of time to get rid of the ball he just didn't. He selfish, when he had his little streak going before he tied the record AJ beat his man and yeah it may have not been a gimmie but he didn't even take that shot and he never does instead he dinks and dunks with checkdowns. If you look at DD's numbers those year it was because Carr was dumping off to him all the time. I said this last year and I'll still say he is damaged goods and it will take atleast 2-3 years to correct all the problems he obtained in his time in houston. I also think he used the first 3 years of sack as a crutch and it was his excuse.Personally I would like to see them trade Carr to Carolina for Keyshawn Johnson. I think they would do it too. I think it makes sense.

 

[Banger]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

HUGE difference in that Manning can beat teams with the vertical game and Carr can't. Teams are happy to give Carr 3 yard passes all day because they know they can blitz him on 3rd and either get a sack or short completion short of the 1st down marker. Carr has shown little to no improvement in 5 years as a starter.

 

[djcolts]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

HUGE difference in that Manning can beat teams with the vertical game and Carr can't. Teams are happy to give Carr 3 yard passes all day because they know they can blitz him on 3rd and either get a sack or short completion short of the 1st down marker. Carr has shown little to no improvement in 5 years as a starter.

 

[pizzatyme]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

HUGE difference in that Manning can beat teams with the vertical game and Carr can't. Teams are happy to give Carr 3 yard passes all day because they know they can blitz him on 3rd and either get a sack or short completion short of the 1st down marker. Carr has shown little to no improvement in 5 years as a starter.

I wonder if having a viable 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options in the passing game helps to build a vertical passing attack? Also, I wonder if the Colts pass protection allows for a vertical passing game threat? Finally, what does it do to the passing offense when you have Addai in the backfield versus Ron Effing Dayne?Lookit, I'm not a Carr apologist by any means. But it is awfully easy to rip a guy when he is surrounded by marginal players!Hell, Jeff Garcia looked like a would beater this year in Philly. How did he look while in Cleveland?

 

[Banger]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

HUGE difference in that Manning can beat teams with the vertical game and Carr can't. Teams are happy to give Carr 3 yard passes all day because they know they can blitz him on 3rd and either get a sack or short completion short of the 1st down marker. Carr has shown little to no improvement in 5 years as a starter.

I wonder if having a viable 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options in the passing game helps to build a vertical passing attack? Also, I wonder if the Colts pass protection allows for a vertical passing game threat? Finally, what does it do to the passing offense when you have Addai in the backfield versus Ron Effing Dayne?Lookit, I'm not a Carr apologist by any means. But it is awfully easy to rip a guy when he is surrounded by marginal players!Hell, Jeff Garcia looked like a would beater this year in Philly. How did he look while in Cleveland?

Carr had Dom Davis who was a great receiver out of the backfield, how did that help him? DD had decent receiving yardage but it didn't help the Houston offense or Carr, he just checked down to him all day. With Carr's surrounding talent I wouldn't expect him to take that team to the playoffs but he should show some improvement. The only thing he's improved on is his completion % (and taking fewer than league leading sacks). Big deal since his yardage is nearly the same, so basically he's completing more short passes but at the end of the day he's still totally ineffective. It's not as if he's reading defenses correctly, putting the ball in the tight windows and wr's aren't getting there or are dropping the ball. He's dropping back and immediately looking for a 3 yard dumpoff which I've stated that defenses are happy to give him all day long. They even got a new coach/coordinator and he looks exactly the same. Maybe it's the player and not the system/players.

 

[prymetyme25]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

HUGE difference in that Manning can beat teams with the vertical game and Carr can't. Teams are happy to give Carr 3 yard passes all day because they know they can blitz him on 3rd and either get a sack or short completion short of the 1st down marker. Carr has shown little to no improvement in 5 years as a starter.

I wonder if having a viable 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options in the passing game helps to build a vertical passing attack? Also, I wonder if the Colts pass protection allows for a vertical passing game threat? Finally, what does it do to the passing offense when you have Addai in the backfield versus Ron Effing Dayne?Lookit, I'm not a Carr apologist by any means. But it is awfully easy to rip a guy when he is surrounded by marginal players!Hell, Jeff Garcia looked like a would beater this year in Philly. How did he look while in Cleveland?

Carr had Dom Davis who was a great receiver out of the backfield, how did that help him? DD had decent receiving yardage but it didn't help the Houston offense or Carr, he just checked down to him all day. With Carr's surrounding talent I wouldn't expect him to take that team to the playoffs but he should show some improvement. The only thing he's improved on is his completion % (and taking fewer than league leading sacks). Big deal since his yardage is nearly the same, so basically he's completing more short passes but at the end of the day he's still totally ineffective. It's not as if he's reading defenses correctly, putting the ball in the tight windows and wr's aren't getting there or are dropping the ball. He's dropping back and immediately looking for a 3 yard dumpoff which I've stated that defenses are happy to give him all day long. They even got a new coach/coordinator and he looks exactly the same. Maybe it's the player and not the system/players.

He also plays very uninspirational football cant even get his players to block for him. I watched every game and some of those games it looked as if they let their defender run though. Even a bad O-lineman knows how to hold if he gets beat.

 

[EBF]

The funny thing about Carr is that he actually looked pretty good as a rookie on an expansion team. It's been downhill since then.

 

[prymetyme25]

The funny thing about Carr is that he actually looked pretty good as a rookie on an expansion team. It's been downhill since then.

true

 

[coolnerd]

Let the specific Carr rumors begin

http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/02/14/carr-to-vikings/

vikings for a 4th

 

[GregR_2]

Hoping we'll get at least a 3rd for him, but I'd take the 4th if that's the best we can get.

I figure the decision is basically Carr at his present salary... vs Plummer at a lesser salary + Carr's cap hit + whatever draft pick we get for Carr. While I don't think Plummer is all that much better of a QB, I think the article hit it on the head that the lack of baggage makes the latter choice much better for the team.

Plus, I'd rather just deal with our other needs this draft unless someone falls in our lap.

 

[coolnerd]

Don Banks on the poor 2002 draft....May place Carr in perspective

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...4/carr/?cnn=yes

 

[radiohead417]

How about Jacksonville? Divisional rival, but that could be done.

 

[Sabertooth]

I wouldn't mind Green Bay trading for him. KGB is allegedly on the block. I think the Texans would have to sweeten the deal though. Mike Sherman had great success with KGB in Green Bay and he's assistant HC in Houston I believe.

Pure speculation at this point.

 

[Buckna]

Hoping we'll get at least a 3rd for him, but I'd take the 4th if that's the best we can get.I figure the decision is basically Carr at his present salary... vs Plummer at a lesser salary + Carr's cap hit + whatever draft pick we get for Carr. While I don't think Plummer is all that much better of a QB, I think the article hit it on the head that the lack of baggage makes the latter choice much better for the team. Plus, I'd rather just deal with our other needs this draft unless someone falls in our lap.

I agree, I don't want us trading up and I think that's what it would take to get either Quinn or Russell this year. I see Russell going to Oakland and Quinn going to Cleveland right now so we hopefully get Adrian Peterson.

 

[GregR_2]

So Carr's cap figures for the next 2 years are $7.25m and $8m for a total of $15.25m, of which $2m each year are prorated signing bonus.

So if Carr gets cut we have $4m on the cap. What kind of price does it look like it might take to sign Plummer? If we sign him for, say, 2 years and $11.25m the total cap hit works out exactly the same as with Carr (though might not be spread out as evenly depending on the details of Plummer's contract). If we can get him cheaper then we actually save money.

What kind of price do people think he's likely to command?

 

[prymetyme25]

So Carr's cap figures for the next 2 years are $7.25m and $8m for a total of $15.25m, of which $2m each year are prorated signing bonus. So if Carr gets cut we have $4m on the cap. What kind of price does it look like it might take to sign Plummer? If we sign him for, say, 2 years and $11.25m the total cap hit works out exactly the same as with Carr (though might not be spread out as evenly depending on the details of Plummer's contract). If we can get him cheaper then we actually save money.What kind of price do people think he's likely to command?

Well at this point we'd actually have to trade for Plummer as the Broncos having cut him and he is still under contract.

 

[noneother]

not that I know anything.. but I would think, sending the OAK 5th round, and one of the WRs to HOU for Carr would be a viable option, the raider 5th is just a low 4th...use the #1 on Calvin, David already knows how to throw to a superstar WR.. find some linemen, i don't know the $$$ IN OAK, maybe moving randy too can get them a serviceable Guard and Tackle combo...

take booker or M Bush, depending on kiffin's style, prolly booker... and go for broke....

 

[kevthegrad]

I signed Carr in Madden 07 for Green Bay this coming season, and while injury prone, he and Aaron Rodgers had quite a battle over the starting job. We went 10 - 6 in the end.

I'd say Carr could be a value to a number of teams in the real world....but in Madden 07, he's a Packer for life.

 

[chook]

Well, based on the activity in my Madden 07 when Favre retired (playing as Packers franchise) I would say the Packers should go after him.Rodgers and Carr had a hell of a battle in pre-season and Rodgers did a good job filling in for the often injured Carr, but overall it was Carr who allowed me to go 12 - 4 and end up winning the Superbowl the year after Favre retired. I credit Carr. Gave him a big contract extension tof course this is fantasy and has zero impact on reality. Frankly I should be panned for the above input.

I signed Carr in Madden 07 for Green Bay this coming season, and while injury prone, he and Aaron Rodgers had quite a battle over the starting job. We went 10 - 6 in the end. I'd say Carr could be a value to a number of teams in the real world....but in Madden 07, he's a Packer for life.

Was it 10-6 or 12-4?

 

[The Houston Stallions]

Hey Dave............Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out! Good reddance! I can QB better than he can! The guy has a good arm, I just think he's gunshy now and has been programmed to dump the ball off to avoid the sacks and turnovers. The problem is......he fumbles A LOT!!!! You can pass for 65% all day but if you cough the ball up every 5 downs, then what's the point?

When he was drafted I said "we should have drafted Peppers" Tony Banks was the backup his first 3 or 4 years and could have done fine at starter until a better option was available. The Texans org has wasted more draft picks than I've ever seen! Sure, they've gotten a few good players but look at all the busts!!!!

I'm about done being a Texans fan! It's a lot easier right now to cheer for Reggie Bush and Vince Young.

 

[Sabertooth]

Hey Dave............Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out! Good reddance! I can QB better than he can! The guy has a good arm, I just think he's gunshy now and has been programmed to dump the ball off to avoid the sacks and turnovers. The problem is......he fumbles A LOT!!!! You can pass for 65% all day but if you cough the ball up every 5 downs, then what's the point?When he was drafted I said "we should have drafted Peppers" Tony Banks was the backup his first 3 or 4 years and could have done fine at starter until a better option was available. The Texans org has wasted more draft picks than I've ever seen! Sure, they've gotten a few good players but look at all the busts!!!!I'm about done being a Texans fan! It's a lot easier right now to cheer for Reggie Bush and Vince Young.

 

[lod2005]

Carr will suck wherever he goes. The fact is the guy is a loser and is not an NFL QB. He can't read a defense. Whatever team takes him will post a losing season and will regret taking him.

 

[lod2005]

I signed Carr in Madden 07 for Green Bay this coming season, and while injury prone, he and Aaron Rodgers had quite a battle over the starting job. We went 10 - 6 in the end.

I'd say Carr could be a value to a number of teams in the real world....but in Madden 07, he's a Packer for life.

You may want to let him know that he produced a winning season on Madden because there is no way in hell he will ever have a winning season in the NFL.

 

[kevthegrad]

Well, based on the activity in my Madden 07 when Favre retired (playing as Packers franchise) I would say the Packers should go after him.Rodgers and Carr had a hell of a battle in pre-season and Rodgers did a good job filling in for the often injured Carr, but overall it was Carr who allowed me to go 12 - 4 and end up winning the Superbowl the year after Favre retired. I credit Carr. Gave him a big contract extension tof course this is fantasy and has zero impact on reality. Frankly I should be panned for the above input.

I signed Carr in Madden 07 for Green Bay this coming season, and while injury prone, he and Aaron Rodgers had quite a battle over the starting job. We went 10 - 6 in the end. I'd say Carr could be a value to a number of teams in the real world....but in Madden 07, he's a Packer for life.

Was it 10-6 or 12-4?

An extremely fair question. Season 1 was lost when my cat, Elwood, pulled the power cord out of the wall (he was chasing a ball and it got tangled in the cords) so that was in the championship game I believe. After cursing a great deal, I logged in to find the "???" currupt sign, and had to rebuild my team and season. Made the same moves. Sadly due to injury I had the scary 1-2 punch of Michael Bennett and Vernand Morency as my RB's for 5 games and struggled to move the ball, and ended up with 2 fewer wins the 2nd time around. I gave myself credit for winning that superbowl game even though the game wasn't finished. So for that, I feel horrible.THank you for paying this level of attention to my posts, especially my ludicrous posts surrounding my Madden play and how it influences the real world. I enjoy this.

 

[pizzatyme]

Hey Dave............Don't let the door hit you in the ### on the way out! Good reddance! I can QB better than he can! The guy has a good arm, I just think he's gunshy now and has been programmed to dump the ball off to avoid the sacks and turnovers. The problem is......he fumbles A LOT!!!! You can pass for 65% all day but if you cough the ball up every 5 downs, then what's the point?When he was drafted I said "we should have drafted Peppers" Tony Banks was the backup his first 3 or 4 years and could have done fine at starter until a better option was available. The Texans org has wasted more draft picks than I've ever seen! Sure, they've gotten a few good players but look at all the busts!!!!I'm about done being a Texans fan! It's a lot easier right now to cheer for Reggie Bush and Vince Young.

Way to stay with your team! It took Peyton Manning 5 yars to be a winner with the Colts, with good management!I can't wait to see you playing for the Texans next year! Since, you know, you're better than Carr and all...

 

[Donnybrook]

It is curious when you look at the stats, Carr had very little to do with the outcome when the Texans won. if fact his stats look Kyle Orton like in Houston wins.

Week 4 - WIN - D. Carr 22/29 230 1 1

Week 7 - WIN - D. Carr 25/34 224 2 0

Week 10 - WIN - D. Carr 16/32 167 0 0

Week 13 - WIN - D. Carr 7/14 32 0 0

Week 16 - WIN - D. Carr 16/23 163 1 0

Week 17 - WIN -D. Carr 9/15 86 0 1

Is it a coincident that the Texans started winning more often after they took the ball out of Carr's hand?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

It is curious when you look at the stats, Carr had very little to do with the outcome when the Texans won. if fact his stats look Kyle Orton like in Houston wins.

Week 4 - WIN - D. Carr 22/29 230 1 1

Week 7 - WIN - D. Carr 25/34 224 2 0

Week 10 - WIN - D. Carr 16/32 167 0 0

Week 13 - WIN - D. Carr 7/14 32 0 0

Week 16 - WIN - D. Carr 16/23 163 1 0

Week 17 - WIN -D. Carr 9/15 86 0 1

Is it a coincident that the Texans started winning more often after they took the ball out of Carr's hand?

I'd say the statement is off the mark a little.Hmmm...

Week 4- Hou scores 14 in the 4th to win 17-15 and Carr throws 17 attempts in 2nd half. With 1td pass and 1 td run.

Week 7- Hou scores 10 in first half for a 10-0 halftime lead. Carr throws 23 (1tdp) times in first half.

Week 10- Hou leads 10-3 at half. (13-3 at end of 3rd). Carr throws 22 times in first half.

Week 13- Some odd freakin' stats in the Oakland game. And Carr was not a factor, no doubt about it.

Week 16- Carr throws 16 times to take a 21-14 lead to half vs Colts. Colts take lead in 4th. In the 4th Houston never has a play over 5 yards... except for Carr completions as the Texans score two FGs (on their only 2 4th qtr drives) and destroy the clock in a 3 pt win. Those two drives eat up 13 minutes.

Week 17- Down 3-0 at half when Carr has only 6 attempts (They had only 7 rushes as well). 3rd quarter they score 14 pts to win with 9 passes and 14 rushes while having a two score lead for most of it.

http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/

 

[Donnybrook]

It is curious when you look at the stats, Carr had very little to do with the outcome when the Texans won. if fact his stats look Kyle Orton like in Houston wins.

Week 4 - WIN - D. Carr 22/29 230 1 1

Week 7 - WIN - D. Carr 25/34 224 2 0

Week 10 - WIN - D. Carr 16/32 167 0 0

Week 13 - WIN - D. Carr 7/14 32 0 0

Week 16 - WIN - D. Carr 16/23 163 1 0

Week 17 - WIN -D. Carr 9/15 86 0 1

Is it a coincident that the Texans started winning more often after they took the ball out of Carr's hand?

I'd say the statement is off the mark a little.Hmmm...

Week 4- Hou scores 14 in the 4th to win 17-15 and Carr throws 17 attempts in 2nd half. With 1td pass and 1 td run.

Week 7- Hou scores 10 in first half for a 10-0 halftime lead. Carr throws 23 (1tdp) times in first half.

Week 10- Hou leads 10-3 at half. (13-3 at end of 3rd). Carr throws 22 times in first half.

Week 13- Some odd freakin' stats in the Oakland game. And Carr was not a factor, no doubt about it.

Week 16- Carr throws 16 times to take a 21-14 lead to half vs Colts. Colts take lead in 4th. In the 4th Houston never has a play over 5 yards... except for Carr completions as the Texans score two FGs (on their only 2 4th qtr drives) and destroy the clock in a 3 pt win. Those two drives eat up 13 minutes.

Week 17- Down 3-0 at half when Carr has only 6 attempts (They had only 7 rushes as well). 3rd quarter they score 14 pts to win with 9 passes and 14 rushes while having a two score lead for most of it.

http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/

Tell me seriously do you think Carr was instrumental in those Houston wins and they would not win as many games with Sage Rosenfels at the helm.

 

[pizzatyme]

It is curious when you look at the stats, Carr had very little to do with the outcome when the Texans won. if fact his stats look Kyle Orton like in Houston wins.

Week 4 - WIN - D. Carr 22/29 230 1 1

Week 7 - WIN - D. Carr 25/34 224 2 0

Week 10 - WIN - D. Carr 16/32 167 0 0

Week 13 - WIN - D. Carr 7/14 32 0 0

Week 16 - WIN - D. Carr 16/23 163 1 0

Week 17 - WIN -D. Carr 9/15 86 0 1

Is it a coincident that the Texans started winning more often after they took the ball out of Carr's hand?

I'd say the statement is off the mark a little.Hmmm...

Week 4- Hou scores 14 in the 4th to win 17-15 and Carr throws 17 attempts in 2nd half. With 1td pass and 1 td run.

Week 7- Hou scores 10 in first half for a 10-0 halftime lead. Carr throws 23 (1tdp) times in first half.

Week 10- Hou leads 10-3 at half. (13-3 at end of 3rd). Carr throws 22 times in first half.

Week 13- Some odd freakin' stats in the Oakland game. And Carr was not a factor, no doubt about it.

Week 16- Carr throws 16 times to take a 21-14 lead to half vs Colts. Colts take lead in 4th. In the 4th Houston never has a play over 5 yards... except for Carr completions as the Texans score two FGs (on their only 2 4th qtr drives) and destroy the clock in a 3 pt win. Those two drives eat up 13 minutes.

Week 17- Down 3-0 at half when Carr has only 6 attempts (They had only 7 rushes as well). 3rd quarter they score 14 pts to win with 9 passes and 14 rushes while having a two score lead for most of it.

http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/

Tell me seriously do you think Carr was instrumental in those Houston wins and they would not win as many games with Sage Rosenfels at the helm.

So basically, he owned your original post by showing better the facts within Carr's stats of those games. So, then you come back with a different angle. That Sage or any other QB could have won in those situations.What about how he showed you were wrong just by tossing out some generalized stats to help your argument?

 

[Donnybrook]

Just a thought, but what about Carr going to the Bears?! I chuckle when I see everyone bash Carr for his play in Texas. The dude had had no pass blocking and a terrible playcaller until last season.

He had to dink and dunk to save his life! Manning dinks and dunks and he is awesome. Carr does it and he is worse than Brooks, Harrington, et al.?

If I'm a Bears fan, I would welcome Carr to an open competition.

The guy has skills and much like Harrington, once he leaves his current hell hole, he can prove his abilities.

HUGE difference in that Manning can beat teams with the vertical game and Carr can't. Teams are happy to give Carr 3 yard passes all day because they know they can blitz him on 3rd and either get a sack or short completion short of the 1st down marker. Carr has shown little to no improvement in 5 years as a starter.

I wonder if having a viable 2nd, 3rd, and 4th options in the passing game helps to build a vertical passing attack? Also, I wonder if the Colts pass protection allows for a vertical passing game threat? Finally, what does it do to the passing offense when you have Addai in the backfield versus Ron Effing Dayne?Lookit, I'm not a Carr apologist by any means. But it is awfully easy to rip a guy when he is surrounded by marginal players!

Hell, Jeff Garcia looked like a would beater this year in Philly. How did he look while in Cleveland?

 

[lod2005]

The only teams interested in David Carr are:

1. Teams that like to lose.

2. Teams that like picking in the top 10 every year.

3. Teams that hate their fans.

Along with a few other reasons.

Teams who have no interest in Carr:

1. Any team trying to win a championship.

 

[Raging weasel]

The only teams interested in David Carr are:1. Teams that like to lose.2. Teams that like picking in the top 10 every year.3. Teams that hate their fans.Along with a few other reasons.Teams who have no interest in Carr:1. Any team trying to win a championship.

so the lions or cardinals would take him

 

[lod2005]

so the lions or cardinals would take him

Well the Cardinals are trying. Everything they do just ends up blowing up in their faces. Look for the Vikings to make a move. They have joined the losers club along with the Raiders. The Lions could also make a move. It requires a team with clueless management to take this bum.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

It is curious when you look at the stats, Carr had very little to do with the outcome when the Texans won. if fact his stats look Kyle Orton like in Houston wins.

Week 4 - WIN - D. Carr 22/29 230 1 1

Week 7 - WIN - D. Carr 25/34 224 2 0

Week 10 - WIN - D. Carr 16/32 167 0 0

Week 13 - WIN - D. Carr 7/14 32 0 0

Week 16 - WIN - D. Carr 16/23 163 1 0

Week 17 - WIN -D. Carr 9/15 86 0 1

Is it a coincident that the Texans started winning more often after they took the ball out of Carr's hand?

I'd say the statement is off the mark a little.Hmmm...

Week 4- Hou scores 14 in the 4th to win 17-15 and Carr throws 17 attempts in 2nd half. With 1td pass and 1 td run.

Week 7- Hou scores 10 in first half for a 10-0 halftime lead. Carr throws 23 (1tdp) times in first half.

Week 10- Hou leads 10-3 at half. (13-3 at end of 3rd). Carr throws 22 times in first half.

Week 13- Some odd freakin' stats in the Oakland game. And Carr was not a factor, no doubt about it.

Week 16- Carr throws 16 times to take a 21-14 lead to half vs Colts. Colts take lead in 4th. In the 4th Houston never has a play over 5 yards... except for Carr completions as the Texans score two FGs (on their only 2 4th qtr drives) and destroy the clock in a 3 pt win. Those two drives eat up 13 minutes.

Week 17- Down 3-0 at half when Carr has only 6 attempts (They had only 7 rushes as well). 3rd quarter they score 14 pts to win with 9 passes and 14 rushes while having a two score lead for most of it.

http://www.nfl.com/scores/2006/

Tell me seriously do you think Carr was instrumental in those Houston wins and they would not win as many games with Sage Rosenfels at the helm.

We can play the make believe guessing game all day... and about everything under the sun.But your statement is/was off the mark.

He had a plenty to do with their wins.

They won based on having the ball in his hands, more often then not, as opposed to it being out of his hands.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

But to be fair, its possible they also lost...

"based on having the ball in his hands, more often then not, as opposed to it being out of his hands."

.... as well.

 

[Vikes Fan]

Let the specific Carr rumors begin

http://www.aolsportsblog.com/2007/02/14/carr-to-vikings/

vikings for a 4th

Having Carr in Purple would be fine with me!I just want everyone to know that the above report was based on something Charley Walters of the Pioneer Press (St. Paul) wrote. He tends to be more of a gossip columist, and while he is correct sometimes, he is also given misinformation sometimes. Just take it with a grain of salt.

 

[coolnerd]

Carr talk all over the place

Banks of SI

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...ne.snaps/1.html

Speaking of Smith, listening to him try to tamp down the David Carr trade speculation Thursday struck me as an exercise in reading between the lines. Smith repeatedly said Carr is Houston's starting quarterback for now and the "stars have to line up correctly'' for the Texans to move him.

Which means: "We can't trade him and get anything for him if people think we're so disenchanted with him -- and in love with the idea of acquiring Jake Plummer -- that we're willing to unload him for nothing.''

When that's the strategy, you talk Carr up just enough to get a little bargaining leverage. Otherwise teams hold you hostage knowing in the end you'll take almost anything you can get for your devalued starter.

"We've all got to get better,'' Texans head coach Gary Kubiak said, when asked about Carr's status in Houston. "David's got to get better. And I've got to continue to work with David.''

But my guess is still that Kubiak won't be working with Carr for long.

 

[coolnerd]

Clayton of Espn

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=2775871

INDIANAPOLIS -- David Carr hasn't avoided many sacks during his five NFL seasons, but so far he's avoided being sacked by the Houston Texans.

Although the Texans haven't given up on the idea of trading Carr, general manager Rick Smith and coach Gary Kubiak gave Carr an endorsement as the Texans' starting quarterback for 2007. But those endorsements were about as shaky as Carr's pass protection.

"David Carr is our quarterback, and frankly, I'm interested in David playing better and performing more consistent and improving our offense," Smith said. "There has been so much rumor and innuendo right after the season. There were some clubs who were curious if, in fact, he was available. So I did take a couple of calls."

Thomas B. Shea-US PRESSWIRE

David Carr threw just 11 TD passes last season.Since that time, though, the calls have quieted down. Smith said Carr could be had if the right trade came up, but the market for Carr hasn't developed.

It has been speculated that the Texans might be willing to take a third-round choice for Carr, a price that might be considered a bargain for a 27-year-old quarterback taken at the top of the draft just five years ago. But listening to Smith speak Thursday at the scouting combine, a third-rounder might not be enough.

"I think you improve your team a couple of different ways," Smith said. "You get players on your team to play better and perform better and coach them hard. Or you go out and acquire other players. If we can acquire something in a trade for David that would make sense for us to improve our football team, we will entertain that."

A third-round pick for a team that is coming off a 6-10 season and has a 24-56 record over its five-year history won't lead to any rapid turnarounds. The Texans are tired of losing and so is Carr. But Carr is content to stay in Houston if the Texans want him. He has three years remaining on his contract. Smith has talked to Carr's agent, Michael Sullivan, and Smith said Carr and Sullivan understand the situation in Houston.

The Texans want to win now and are looking to make moves that will make them more competitive in the AFC South. Moving Carr isn't going to net a boatload of draft choices or players, and the Texans clearly need players. If no deal can be made, the team will be content to stay with Carr as its starting quarterback.

"That's our approach," Kubiak said. "We all have to get better. David has to get better. He's part of that. We all have to get a lot better, including this coach right here. And I have to continue working with David. He's the key to our franchise getting better."

One option that seems to be stalled at the moment is a trade for Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer. Plummer, who was close to Kubiak in Denver, has been replaced by Jay Cutler as Denver's starting quarterback. Though Kubiak and Broncos coach Mike Shanahan are close, a Plummer trade doesn't appear to be close to happening.

Smith, in fact, wouldn't talk about Plummer on Thursday because he is property of the Broncos.

"It hasn't quieted down with the media," Smith said of the Carr trade rumors. "I only talked to a couple clubs about him. I don't know if there is going to be any interest. The interest is generated more by the media than anything. David is our starting quarterback. We're excited about him playing in his offense."

 

[coolnerd]

chron.com

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/4575330.html

Carr still in Texans' '07 plans ... sort of

GM considers QB the starter but won't pass on deal

By JEROME SOLOMON

Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

INDIANAPOLIS - Texans general manage Rick Smith said David Carr is the Texans starting quarterback, but he put an unsolicited qualifier onto those statements ... for now.

"Right now? Yes. He is our starting quarterback, and we're excited about him improving in this offense," Smith said Thursday at the NFL draft combine.

But does "right now" imply that he is going to be traded?

"That's the truth," Smith said. "I'm saying that that is a possibility.

"Stars have to line up correctly and the value has to be there, but we're going to improve our football team anyway that we can do so.

"If that includes some type of trade, then we'll entertain that. That does not mean that we're going to do that absolutely, but we'll entertain it. If I'm saying right now and you draw an inference (that Carr might be traded) from that, then you are correct."

One would think Carr might be upset, but Smith says that is not the case.

"He's a professional, he understands," Smith said. "I've spoken with Mike Sullivan, his agent, and they understand that football is a business.

"We had a great conversation at the end of the season about what I expected him to do during this offseason and that we were looking forward to seeing him and his progression in this offense from Year 1 to Year 2."

Texans coach Gary Kubiak is handling the offseason as if Carr will return for a sixth season. The Texans, who went 6-10 last season, have a 24-56 record in five seasons with Carr starting at quarterback in all but four of those games.

Kubiak, who is starting his second year as the head coach, is not concerned that Carr's confidence might take a hit due to the uncertainty.

"If you're going to play in this league, especially if you're going to play quarterback, you got to have some tough skin," Kubiak said. "If you're going to be a great quarterback in this league and be one of the top five in this league, you're there every week and playing well every week.

"It's about consistency with David, and it's my job to get him there."

Kubiak was asked if he thought Carr was capable of being among the top five quarterbacks in the game.

"I think he has the ability to do that," Kubiak said. "He is a very skilled young man, a very smart young man. But it is about consistency.

"That's my job to figure that out and find that consistency in him as a quarterback because our team was inconsistent. The more consistent I can get him, I think our team will become more consistent."

 

[kingmalaki]

God please get rid of him. I still can't believe we passed on Peppers for this clown, and Vince because we extended him.