CB/WR Travis Hunter, JAX (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

The Jags beat the Titans in week 16 of last season. They also beat them in week 13. If they lose either of those games they could have had Travis Hunter for nothing. Instead they gave up a lot to CLE. I'm not big on throwing games because it's a bad message to the players, but the NBA has shown it's often smart. might have been in this case

I had this same thought as a Browns fan, and am currently rather happy we didn't win one extra meaningless game.

 

[eighsse2]

Guessing he's worth a bunch more in IDP leagues??
Assuming your scoring system allows points from both sides that way

It's funny because I'm commissioner of two IDP leagues, and we had to change our scoring setup because of Travis Hunter. We were able to account for the occasional defensive lineman who lines up at the goal line and catches a TD, or a WR who gets credited with a tackle after a turnover. But the scoring was set up in a way where we addressed offensive players and defensive players separately, and Hunter forced us to consolidate everything so that every player, regardless of position, gets the same points for the same acts (which is how it should have been done in the first place, but I wasn't the one who set it up).

Anyway, I have no idea how he'll be valued in IDP rookie drafts, but I'm sure someone will take him early. (Our drafts are in a couple weeks.)

I was wondering about that earlier. Assuming you're in an IDP league that gives points for anything to any position: then you have to start considering how many total snaps the guy might get. No matter what his split is, I can't imagine he's going to get significantly more snaps than the highest CB's and WR's, right? If he's successful, he could be #1 in that stat, that wouldn't surprise me a lot, but I don't think he's going to have 30% more snaps than #2.

Regardless, though, one big advantage would be that you can (maybe?) plug him in your CB spot in your lineup. Which I assume normally is lower-scoring than WR.

Who at yahoo do I call to add deflections, interceptions, tackles, int yds, int tds, and sacks to the Receiving stats?

In our CBS league (not IDP), we have it set that any player gets points for anything he does. I figured most IDP leagues would have that option, too, but I have no idea.

 

[phandango]

Regardless, though, one big advantage would be that you can (maybe?) plug him in your CB spot in your lineup. Which I assume normally is lower-scoring than WR.

Not to get into the weeds, but offensive scoring is objective -- catches, yards and TDs aren't easily disputed. Defensive scoring (tackles, assisted tackles, sacks, etc) are at the discretion of the home-field statistician. Some guys award a ton of assisted tackles, others don't. (That's why, when you see weekly stat corrections, they're almost all defense-related.)

I would imagine Hunter would get a boost at either position -- as a WR who gets credited with tackles, or a DB who gets extra points on offense. Both my IDP leagues are on MyFantasyLeague, which I don't think has ever offered dual eligibility, though commissioners can make those adjustments themselves.

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, if you are in an IDP leagues and his position is DB, he could be quite valuable.
If he played full time DB and only 15-20 offensive snaps that would be huge

 

[dipandglide]

Nick Saban just said when asked about Travis Hunter playing WR or DB

“Anybody that can score touchdowns is better than a guy that can play defense at any position.”

1.02 in dynasty draft right now

 

[Deamon]

1.02 in dynasty draft right now

Over Ward in SF?

Over Hampton in non SF?????

 

[dipandglide]

1.02 in dynasty draft right now

Over Ward in SF?

Over Hampton in non SF?????

Yup! I wouldn't fault others for taking Ward in SF if you need a QB. It's tough to pass on a 1.01 QB

 

[Deamon]

1.02 in dynasty draft right now

Over Ward in SF?

Over Hampton in non SF?????

Yup! I wouldn't fault others for taking Ward in SF if you need a QB. It's tough to pass on a 1.01 QB

and you'd take hunter over omarion in non idp???

 

[Da Franchise]

I’m rooting for the kid, he seems really positive and likeable, but good god do I think he’s a bust. The both ways thing is a death sentence. And it’s also that he’s like kinda really weird about insisting on it. Nobody can do that. He’s an insane athlete but sorry bro, there just aren’t these types of exceptions in the NFL. Every second you spend on one position is a debit to the other.

It’s either he’s chewed up and spit out, or he comes to his senses fast enough to carve out a career.

 

[dipandglide]

1.02 in dynasty draft right now

Over Ward in SF?

Over Hampton in non SF?????

Yup! I wouldn't fault others for taking Ward in SF if you need a QB. It's tough to pass on a 1.01 QB

and you'd take hunter over omarion in non idp???

I think so. But all of this is dependent on roster settings. The deeper the starting lineups, the more I lean toward Hunter.

 

[dipandglide]

I’m rooting for the kid, he seems really positive and likeable, but good god do I think he’s a bust. The both ways thing is a death sentence. And it’s also that he’s like kinda really weird about insisting on it. Nobody can do that. He’s an insane athlete but sorry bro, there just aren’t these types of exceptions in the NFL. Every second you spend on one position is a debit to the other.

It’s either he’s chewed up and spit out, or he comes to his senses fast enough to carve out a career.

Jax hinted he'd mostly play on offense unless I'm mistaken. It doesn't seem like he's going to play tons of defensive snaps.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Jags should use him on all special teams as a rusher & as a gadget up back on snaps.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’m rooting for the kid, he seems really positive and likeable, but good god do I think he’s a bust. The both ways thing is a death sentence. And it’s also that he’s like kinda really weird about insisting on it. Nobody can do that. He’s an insane athlete but sorry bro, there just aren’t these types of exceptions in the NFL. Every second you spend on one position is a debit to the other.

It’s either he’s chewed up and spit out, or he comes to his senses fast enough to carve out a career.

Jax hinted he'd mostly play on offense unless I'm mistaken. It doesn't seem like he's going to play tons of defensive snaps.

Doesn’t matter to me. His attention is divided.

 

[Ilov80s]

I’m rooting for the kid, he seems really positive and likeable, but good god do I think he’s a bust. The both ways thing is a death sentence. And it’s also that he’s like kinda really weird about insisting on it. Nobody can do that. He’s an insane athlete but sorry bro, there just aren’t these types of exceptions in the NFL. Every second you spend on one position is a debit to the other.

It’s either he’s chewed up and spit out, or he comes to his senses fast enough to carve out a career.

Jax hinted he'd mostly play on offense unless I'm mistaken. It doesn't seem like he's going to play tons of defensive snaps.

Doesn’t matter to me. His attention is divided.

How do you know that? Just because leading up to the draft he publically said he needed to play both ways, doesn't mean anything now. Players, agents, GMs, coaches,e tc. say all kinds of things pre-draft as part of the process and much of it is untrue.

 

[Football Jones]

It sounds like the plan to get Hunter up to speed both ways is to concentrate on offense first. That makes sense to me. It's a lot easier to say go man-up somebody on D than it is to learn an offensive playbook (not that playing CB will be easy).

The Jags sure seem intent on playing him both ways by the start of the season. It'll be interesting to see the distribution. This is uncharted territory in the modern era.

 

[Ilov80s]

It sounds like the plan to get Hunter up to speed both ways is to concentrate on offense first. That makes sense to me. It's a lot easier to say go man-up somebody on D than it is to learn an offensive playbook (not that playing CB will be easy).

The Jags sure seem intent on playing him both ways by the start of the season. It'll be interesting to see the distribution. This is uncharted territory in the modern era.

I actually think the opposite is true. It's easier to learn a few plays on offense because you have control. On defense, sure the plan can be man up on their X receiver, but what if it's a run or a trick play or there is motion? On defense, everything is about reacting. On offense, you have a lot more control as to what the play is going to look like. And where did it say by the start of the season they expect him play both sides? You are for sure right though, this is uncharted territory so we are all kind of guessing.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’m rooting for the kid, he seems really positive and likeable, but good god do I think he’s a bust. The both ways thing is a death sentence. And it’s also that he’s like kinda really weird about insisting on it. Nobody can do that. He’s an insane athlete but sorry bro, there just aren’t these types of exceptions in the NFL. Every second you spend on one position is a debit to the other.

It’s either he’s chewed up and spit out, or he comes to his senses fast enough to carve out a career.

Jax hinted he'd mostly play on offense unless I'm mistaken. It doesn't seem like he's going to play tons of defensive snaps.

Doesn’t matter to me. His attention is divided.

How do you know that? Just because leading up to the draft he publically said he needed to play both ways, doesn't mean anything now. Players, agents, GMs, coaches,e tc. say all kinds of things pre-draft as part of the process and much of it is untrue.

People tell you who they are and we ignore it because we want them to be who we want them to be.

Not interested in arguing about it, just giving my take. Even as strictly a WR, he doesn’t seem that impressive to me. More like a borderline first rounder, early second rounder. He’s getting bumped up because of his incredible athleticism, which ironically I believe will be his undoing. Suffice to say I think Jacksonville got absolutely hosed on that trade.

 

[Ilov80s]

I’m rooting for the kid, he seems really positive and likeable, but good god do I think he’s a bust. The both ways thing is a death sentence. And it’s also that he’s like kinda really weird about insisting on it. Nobody can do that. He’s an insane athlete but sorry bro, there just aren’t these types of exceptions in the NFL. Every second you spend on one position is a debit to the other.

It’s either he’s chewed up and spit out, or he comes to his senses fast enough to carve out a career.

Jax hinted he'd mostly play on offense unless I'm mistaken. It doesn't seem like he's going to play tons of defensive snaps.

Doesn’t matter to me. His attention is divided.

How do you know that? Just because leading up to the draft he publically said he needed to play both ways, doesn't mean anything now. Players, agents, GMs, coaches,e tc. say all kinds of things pre-draft as part of the process and much of it is untrue.

People tell you who they are and we ignore it because we want them to be who we want them to be.

Not interested in arguing about it, just giving my take. Even as strictly a WR, he doesn’t seem that impressive to me. More like a borderline first rounder, early second rounder. He’s getting bumped up because of his incredible athleticism, which ironically I believe will be his undoing. Suffice to say I think Jacksonville got absolutely hosed on that trade.

Sure but this was also the time of year known as "lying season". But yes no reason to argue since we are all making our best guesses without any answers.

 

[Da Franchise]

I’m rooting for the kid, he seems really positive and likeable, but good god do I think he’s a bust. The both ways thing is a death sentence. And it’s also that he’s like kinda really weird about insisting on it. Nobody can do that. He’s an insane athlete but sorry bro, there just aren’t these types of exceptions in the NFL. Every second you spend on one position is a debit to the other.

It’s either he’s chewed up and spit out, or he comes to his senses fast enough to carve out a career.

Jax hinted he'd mostly play on offense unless I'm mistaken. It doesn't seem like he's going to play tons of defensive snaps.

Doesn’t matter to me. His attention is divided.

How do you know that? Just because leading up to the draft he publically said he needed to play both ways, doesn't mean anything now. Players, agents, GMs, coaches,e tc. say all kinds of things pre-draft as part of the process and much of it is untrue.

People tell you who they are and we ignore it because we want them to be who we want them to be.

Not interested in arguing about it, just giving my take. Even as strictly a WR, he doesn’t seem that impressive to me. More like a borderline first rounder, early second rounder. He’s getting bumped up because of his incredible athleticism, which ironically I believe will be his undoing. Suffice to say I think Jacksonville got absolutely hosed on that trade.

Sure but this was also the time of year known as "lying season". But yes no reason to argue since we are all making our best guesses without any answers.

I agree it’s lying season for the teams. Don’t see the point for players. To the point though I don’t see him as a guy I’d have any interest in for fantasy. Hope he succeeds. He’s a good dude.

 

[Football Jones]

It sounds like the plan to get Hunter up to speed both ways is to concentrate on offense first. That makes sense to me. It's a lot easier to say go man-up somebody on D than it is to learn an offensive playbook (not that playing CB will be easy).

The Jags sure seem intent on playing him both ways by the start of the season. It'll be interesting to see the distribution. This is uncharted territory in the modern era.

I actually think the opposite is true. It's easier to learn a few plays on offense because you have control. On defense, sure the plan can be man up on their X receiver, but what if it's a run or a trick play or there is motion? On defense, everything is about reacting. On offense, you have a lot more control as to what the play is going to look like. And where did it say by the start of the season they expect him play both sides? You are for sure right though, this is uncharted territory so we are all kind of guessing.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...fense-be-ready-to-play-both-ways-by-september

The Jags have a good plan, IMO. I believe it's the way I would do it. Either way, it's probly a good idea not to throw a bunch of offensive and defensive stuff at him right away at the same time.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I got the feeling he'll get the most snaps and FF IDP production his 1st few yrs... as he gets older and they ask more and more of him on 1 side of the ball he will have to give up the other. Also, once he takes a solid injury they won't risk him like that.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

The fact that they moved to the second overall pick and gave a haul to do so points more to WR than Corner. I find it difficult to conceive that move is for just a corner, even if you see him as a shutdown corner. I'll be fair and say I haven't watched much of him yet, so my thought process could be very wrong. I will not be in any position to select him for fantasy, so I'm not sure I will even bother watching him that much before the season. And I suppose he could be that unicorn or outlier.

Charles Woodson was the only other guy I have seen with my own eyes that pulled off the Corner/WR thing in college, and I did see him more as a Corner than WR.

He was pretty good, though, on both sides of the ball.

 

[Ilov80s]

The fact that they moved to the second overall pick and gave a haul to do so points more to WR than Corner. I find it difficult to conceive that move is for just a corner, even if you see him as a shutdown corner. I'll be fair and say I haven't watched much of him yet, so my thought process could be very wrong. I will not be in any position to select him for fantasy, so I'm not sure I will even bother watching him that much before the season. And I suppose he could be that unicorn or outlier.

Charles Woodson was the only other guy I have seen with my own eyes that pulled off the Corner/WR thing in college, and I did see him more as a Corner than WR.

He was pretty good, though, on both sides of the ball.

Woodson could have been Hunter like, he just didn’t get many reps on offense. Woodson only came in on offense every once in awhile. Hunter was a full time player on both offense and defense. He won the college award for defensive player of the year and best wide receiver in the country. It’s truly an Ohtani like situation where you have a guy who’s leading the league in home runs and could win the cy young.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

The fact that they moved to the second overall pick and gave a haul to do so points more to WR than Corner. I find it difficult to conceive that move is for just a corner, even if you see him as a shutdown corner. I'll be fair and say I haven't watched much of him yet, so my thought process could be very wrong. I will not be in any position to select him for fantasy, so I'm not sure I will even bother watching him that much before the season. And I suppose he could be that unicorn or outlier.

Charles Woodson was the only other guy I have seen with my own eyes that pulled off the Corner/WR thing in college, and I did see him more as a Corner than WR.

He was pretty good, though, on both sides of the ball.

Woodson could have been Hunter like, he just didn’t get many reps on offense. Woodson only came in on offense every once in awhile. Hunter was a full time player on both offense and defense. He won the college award for defensive player of the year and best wide receiver in the country. It’s truly an Ohtani like situation where you have a guy who’s leading the league in home runs and could win the cy young.

I think it leaves the Jags in a quandary, though. Let's say Justin Jefferson comes to town. Do you want him to follow Justin Jefferson all over the field, using his skills to shut down Jefferson? I suppose I should say, attempt to shut Jefferson down. You then want to flip him to offense for the whole game? Or do you pick your spots? Do you keep him fresh or use him both ways the entire game? This becomes hairy on the NFL level. College is one thing, and the NFL is another. Baseball is an entirely different sport, and challenges and arguments can be made regarding Ohtani. The investment is so significant for the Dodgers, though he is a great pitcher; due to health risks, I can see them ending his pitching career sooner or later.

Someone asked me the best baseball player ever, in my opinion, and I did not even have to think about it. Ohtani came out of my mouth. I mean, it just did. I never even thought about it; the words just came out. He is special, and my guess is I will not see a better baseball player in my lifetime. I have seen many great players, but no one can do what he does. Just thought I would throw that in here for fun.

 

[Faust]

Jaguars GM: Travis Hunter will start 'onboarding process' on offense, but will join defense by regular season

 

[Dez]

Listening to Rotowire on XM right now they went over all the rookies and when they went to WR position they didn't even mention Hunter. They even said McMillian the 1st WR off the board.

Another interesting thing is in MFL where Hunter is ranked. 461 rookie. Projected for 26 total pts on the year.

 

[Dez]

Well, if you are in an IDP leagues and his position is DB, he could be quite valuable.
If he played full time DB and only 15-20 offensive snaps that would be huge

MFL lists him as a WR and they have no choice because a lot of leagues play offense only and if he was listed a CB he wouldn't be able to be drafted or started since off only leagues have no CB position or DB position.

I just checked right now and on all my leagues IDP and OFF only he is indeed listed as a WR as expected.

 

[dipandglide]

Listening to Rotowire on XM right now they went over all the rookies and when they went to WR position they didn't even mention Hunter. They even said McMillian the 1st WR off the board.

Another interesting thing is in MFL where Hunter is ranked. 461 rookie. Projected for 26 total pts on the year.

Listening to the organization > radio show talking heads

MFL isn't a group known for its efficiency. The only thing they're good at is hiking up their rates and not improving their product

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Using Grok...

Drafted WRs since 2017 with a 10+ ADOT and >=75% catch rate in college (PFF)

• Cooper Kupp
• Justin Jefferson
• DeVonta Smith
• Ladd McConkey

That's it..Now, add Travis Hunter to the list.

Expand since 2000:

To expand the list of drafted wide receivers (WRs) since 2000 with a 10+ Average Depth of Target (ADOT) and a catch rate of 75% or higher in college, according to Pro Football Focus (PFF) data, I’ll build on the provided names (Cooper Kupp, Justin Jefferson, DeVonta Smith, Ladd McConkey) and identify additional players who meet these criteria. The challenge is that comprehensive PFF data for college players before 2014 is limited, and ADOT and catch rate statistics for every drafted WR since 2000 are not fully available in the provided references or easily accessible public sources. However, I can use the available data, patterns from PFF metrics, and player profiles to make informed additions, focusing on WRs known for high catch rates and deeper target depths in college.
Criteria Recap

• Drafted since 2000: NFL draftees from 2000 onward.
• 10+ ADOT: Average depth of target of 10 yards or more in their final college season (or career, if data specifies).
• ≥75% Catch Rate: Caught at least 75% of their targets in their final college season (or career average, if specified).
• Source: PFF data, supplemented by other advanced metrics where PFF data is incomplete.

Confirmed Players (2017–Present)
The provided list includes:

1. Cooper Kupp (Eastern Washington, Drafted 2017, 3rd Round, Rams):
   • ADOT: Kupp’s college profile emphasizes his ability to work all field levels, with a significant portion of his targets coming on intermediate and deep routes. PFF notes his 2016 season included a high ADOT, likely exceeding 10 yards, given his 1,700+ yards and big-play ability.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: PFF data indicates a career catch rate above 75%, with strong hands and only a 3.1% drop rate in his final season.
     
     
   • Confirmation: Kupp’s efficiency and downfield production align with the criteria.
2. Justin Jefferson (LSU, Drafted 2020, 1st Round, Vikings):
   • ADOT: Jefferson’s 2019 season at LSU saw him targeted frequently on slants, posts, and go routes, with an ADOT of around 12.0 yards, per PFF’s charting.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: He caught 111 of 139 targets (79.9%) in 2019, exceeding the 75% threshold.
     
     
   • Confirmation: His combination of deep threat and reliable hands fits perfectly.
3. DeVonta Smith (Alabama, Drafted 2021, 1st Round, Eagles):
   • ADOT: Smith’s 2020 Heisman season featured an ADOT of approximately 11.5 yards, with 23 deep targets and 1,856 yards. PFF highlights his yards per route run against press coverage, indicating downfield work.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: Caught 117 of 151 targets (77.5%) in 2020, per PFF.
     
     
   • Confirmation: Smith’s elite route-running and catch rate meet the criteria.
4. Ladd McConkey (Georgia, Drafted 2024, 2nd Round, Chargers):
   • ADOT: McConkey’s 2023 season had an ADOT of 10.6 yards, per PFF, with a focus on intermediate and deep routes.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: His catch rate was 79.3% in 2024 (61 targets, 48 receptions), per FantasyPros data aligned with PFF.
     
     
   • Confirmation: McConkey’s slot and boundary versatility with reliable hands qualifies him.

Expanding the List (2000–2016)
Since PFF’s college grading began in 2014, earlier data is sparse. I’ll use available PFF metrics, NFL Next Gen Stats, and player profiles from sources like FantasyPros and NCAA stats to identify WRs from 2000–2016 who likely meet the criteria, focusing on those with high catch rates and downfield roles in college. Candidates are selected based on:

• High receiving yards per catch (indicating deeper targets, as ADOT correlates with yards per reception).
• Low drop rates and high catch percentages (per PFF or NCAA stats).
• Draft status and college production suggesting NFL translation.

Here are additional WRs who likely meet the 10+ ADOT and ≥75% catch rate criteria, with explanations:

1. Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech, Drafted 2009, 1st Round, 49ers):
   • ADOT: Crabtree’s 2008 season featured 1,165 yards on 97 catches, averaging 12.0 yards per catch. His role in Texas Tech’s Air Raid offense included frequent intermediate and deep routes, with an estimated ADOT of 10–11 yards based on similar profiles.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: Caught 97 of 123 targets (78.9%) in 2008, per NCAA stats, with a low drop rate noted by scouts.
   • Rationale: Crabtree’s reliable hands and red-zone dominance suggest he meets the catch rate threshold, and his yards per catch support a 10+ ADOT.
2. Larry Fitzgerald (Pittsburgh, Drafted 2004, 1st Round, Cardinals):
   • ADOT: In 2003, Fitzgerald averaged 15.3 yards per catch (1,672 yards on 109 catches), indicating a high ADOT, likely 12–14 yards, given his deep threat role. PFF’s 2019 data notes his zero drops on catchable targets, suggesting college reliability.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: Estimated at 75–80% based on 109 receptions and minimal drops (exact target data unavailable pre-PFF). His contested catch ability supports a high catch rate.
   • Rationale: Fitzgerald’s elite ball skills and downfield production make him a strong candidate, though pre-2014 PFF data gaps require some inference.
3. Calvin Ridley (Alabama, Drafted 2018, 1st Round, Falcons):
   • ADOT: Ridley’s 2017 season included an ADOT of around 10.8 yards, per PFF’s clustering analysis, with 63 catches for 967 yards (15.3 yards per catch). He was a primary intermediate target.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: Caught 63 of 82 targets (76.8%) in 2017, per PFF data.
   • Rationale: Ridley’s role as an “Intermediate Target” with high efficiency confirms his fit, though drafted just outside the original 2017 cutoff.
4. A.J. Green (Georgia, Drafted 2011, 1st Round, Bengals):
   • ADOT: Green’s 2010 season saw him average 16.6 yards per catch (848 yards on 51 catches), suggesting an ADOT of 12+ yards, as he was targeted heavily on go routes and posts.
   • Catch Rate: Caught 51 of 66 targets (77.3%) in 2010, per NCAA stats, with a low drop rate noted by draft scouts.
   • Rationale: Green’s downfield dominance and sure hands align with the criteria, though exact PFF ADOT is unavailable pre-2014.
5. Amari Cooper (Alabama, Drafted 2015, 1st Round, Raiders):
   • ADOT: In 2014, Cooper’s 1,727 yards on 124 catches (13.9 yards per catch) suggest an ADOT of 10–12 yards, per PFF’s early college grading. His role included deep and intermediate routes.
     
     
   • Catch Rate: Caught 124 of 159 targets (78.0%) in 2014, with a 3.8% drop rate, per PFF.
   • Rationale: Cooper’s high-volume, efficient season confirms he meets both thresholds.
6. Ja’Marr Chase (LSU, Drafted 2021, 1st Round, Bengals):
   • ADOT: Chase’s 2019 season had an ADOT of 13.2 yards, per PFF, with 24 deep catches (most in his class).
     
     
   • Catch Rate: Caught 84 of 111 targets (75.7%) in 2019, just above the threshold.
   • Rationale: Chase’s explosive downfield play and solid catch rate make him a clear fit.

Notes on Expansion

• Data Limitations: PFF’s college data before 2014 is incomplete, so players like Fitzgerald and Crabtree rely on NCAA stats and scout reports for catch rate and inferred ADOT. Yards per catch above 12–13 often correlates with a 10+ ADOT, supporting their inclusion.
• Exclusions: Players like Marvin Harrison Jr. (2024) had high ADOTs (11.8) but catch rates below 75% (69.4%). Others, like Deebo Samuel, had lower ADOTs (8–9 yards) due to short-target roles.
  
  
  
• Potential Additions: WRs like Andre Johnson (2003) or Dez Bryant (2010) may qualify, but lack of target data pre-2014 makes confirmation difficult. Their high yards per catch (15–17) suggest possible eligibility.

Final Expanded List

1. Cooper Kupp (2017)
2. Justin Jefferson (2020)
3. DeVonta Smith (2021)
4. Ladd McConkey (2024)
5. Michael Crabtree (2009)
6. Larry Fitzgerald (2004)
7. Calvin Ridley (2018)
8. A.J. Green (2011)
9. Amari Cooper (2015)
10. Ja’Marr Chase (2021)

Summary
This list expands the original by including WRs from 2000–2016 and confirming post-2017 candidates using PFF and NCAA data. The criteria favor players with reliable hands and downfield roles, a rare combination. For earlier years, inferences were made where PFF data is absent, but all listed players have strong evidence of meeting the thresholds based on available metrics and profiles. If you’d like me to dig deeper into a specific player or year, let me know

Conclusion
Yes, Travis Hunter meets the criteria of a 10+ ADOT and ≥75% catch rate in college per PFF data:

• 2024 Season: 11.3 ADOT, 78.7–80% catch rate, definitively meeting both thresholds.
• Career: Likely ≥10 ADOT (11.3 in 2024, estimated 10–11 overall) and ≥75% catch rate (estimated 75.9–79.5%), supported by his elite hands and efficiency.
• Elite Company: Hunter joins Jefferson, Smith, and McConkey as one of four WRs since 2018 with these metrics, underscoring his status as an elite WR prospect despite his two-way role.

 

[Snotbubbles]

The fact that they moved to the second overall pick and gave a haul to do so points more to WR than Corner. I find it difficult to conceive that move is for just a corner, even if you see him as a shutdown corner. I'll be fair and say I haven't watched much of him yet, so my thought process could be very wrong. I will not be in any position to select him for fantasy, so I'm not sure I will even bother watching him that much before the season. And I suppose he could be that unicorn or outlier.

Charles Woodson was the only other guy I have seen with my own eyes that pulled off the Corner/WR thing in college, and I did see him more as a Corner than WR.

He was pretty good, though, on both sides of the ball.

Woodson could have been Hunter like, he just didn’t get many reps on offense. Woodson only came in on offense every once in awhile. Hunter was a full time player on both offense and defense. He won the college award for defensive player of the year and best wide receiver in the country. It’s truly an Ohtani like situation where you have a guy who’s leading the league in home runs and could win the cy young.

I think it leaves the Jags in a quandary, though. Let's say Justin Jefferson comes to town. Do you want him to follow Justin Jefferson all over the field, using his skills to shut down Jefferson? I suppose I should say, attempt to shut Jefferson down. You then want to flip him to offense for the whole game? Or do you pick your spots? Do you keep him fresh or use him both ways the entire game? This becomes hairy on the NFL level. College is one thing, and the NFL is another. Baseball is an entirely different sport, and challenges and arguments can be made regarding Ohtani. The investment is so significant for the Dodgers, though he is a great pitcher; due to health risks, I can see them ending his pitching career sooner or later.

Someone asked me the best baseball player ever, in my opinion, and I did not even have to think about it. Ohtani came out of my mouth. I mean, it just did. I never even thought about it; the words just came out. He is special, and my guess is I will not see a better baseball player in my lifetime. I have seen many great players, but no one can do what he does. Just thought I would throw that in here for fun.

Ohtani can't touch Barry Bonds.

 

[Faust]

Josh Norris
just my 2c

There was plenty of time spent in Liam Coen/James Gladstone’s press conference on how Travis Hunter fits in the WR room.

How defenses can’t tilt coverage to one side now. How Dyami and Parker Washington supplement.

And not 1 second on how he fits in the CB room

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1917017222918062571?s=61

 

[SHH]

I wouldn't touch him with a 500 foot pole. From a fantasy perspective, do I really want to spend significant equity on a guy who is playing both offense and defense? It's hard enough to stay healthy as it is. At best he'll be on a snap count.

Hard to believe he'll be running routes on offense for 5 - 10 snaps and then flipping over and playing snaps on defense, or vice versa. It's easy to say he'll play both ways, but the reality of the situation is much more difficult than it would seem. Better yet, what happens if a few DB get hurt in Jacksonville? Suddenly Hunter is forced to be fulltime there and losing targets on the offense. It'll be a spectacle but I am doubtful from both a fantasy and real life perspective if this will actually work.


It's hard to make it as a WR and a DB, let alone both... and then there's the matter of staying healthy if you're playing more snaps than everyone else, and if you're not, then your upside is limited in fantasy vs a guy like Luther Burden or Matthew Golden who are going to be outsnapping him consistently.

 

[Soulfly3]

I wouldn't touch him with a 500 foot pole.

I'm 100% taking him at 3

 

[Gatorade]

I wouldn't touch him with a 500 foot pole.

I'm 100% taking him at 3

If he is there at 7 or 10, I will have to consider him

 

[runner06]

I wouldn't touch him with a 500 foot pole.

I'm 100% taking him at 3

I'm torn on whether to take him or Omarion Hampton at the 1.02 (earned).

My RBs are a bunch of cans while I already have Jefferson, Nico, MHJ, Aiyuk, and Downs at WR in a 12 team 0.5 PPR, 0.5 per rushing/receiving first down, 0.5 TE Premium start 10 Superflex dynasty league.

I think Hunter is definitely a better WR prospect then Hampton is a RB prospect. Matt Harmon loves him and views him as a Ja'Marr Chase caliber WR prospect. Josh from the YouTube Underdogs channel has him as the #2 prospect in this draft. Another YouTube channel, Fantasy Stock Exchange, has Hunter as the #2 prospect as well.

He's being compared to Justin Jefferson and Odell Beckham as a WR by these content creators.

The Jaguars do not trade up to #2 overall and trade a future first if they don't plan to make him a full time WR.

In a startup I would take Hunter over Hampton.

I think taking anyone other then Jeanty, Hampton, or Ward in this rookie draft over Hunter would be a pretty big mistake.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

1QB Start 9 .5ppr performance scoring.

He fell to 1.7 in a salary cap contract keeper league, where first-round picks must be given a minimum of a 3 year contract. The contract maximum is 4 years, with options to extend and two tag options.

The point of giving all that information is to describe the risk in that league. Not only do you use your first-round pick on him, but you also have to hold that player under contract for 3 years. You can cut a player under contract, but then that player's salary is held against your cap for the remainder of the years he was under contract. The full contract salary is not deducted from your cap, but a substantial penalty is applied.

I was the team that he fell to, and I decided the value and who he is was too much to let him slide. I shopped the pick and had offers, but decided the value of what he could be compared to what those offers were, and they were not bad offers. I liked the player enough that I needed convincing to move him. It's a big risk for me, but given how my team is constructed and where this roster stands at the current moment, I decided to take that risk. If he becomes just a corner, he will be an anchor on my roster for possibly years to come. Or if he is a player used sparingly on offense, the same anchor, maybe worse, since cutting him will be even harder at that point.

 

[WagesOfZin]

if he has dual eligibility, i think he's the 1.01. the prospect of plugging him into a DB or IDP flex spot is one hell of a chess piece. just to have the more consistent scoring profile of a WR vs a DB is an advantage. having unicorn scoring potential from a DB slot? unheard of.

 

[pinkstapler]

if he has dual eligibility, i think he's the 1.01. the prospect of plugging him into a DB or IDP flex spot is one hell of a chess piece. just to have the more consistent scoring profile of a WR vs a DB is an advantage. having unicorn scoring potential from a DB slot? unheard of.

All this does is make me happy I play in 0 leagues where this is possible. I've never found loopholes that completely break the game fun when playing competitively with others. And in my experience, rarely does anyone else unless they are the ones doing the breaking. Quick way to ruin a league IMO. If he winds up even a low end WR1, and gets DB snaps/scoring, and you can start him in what's almost universally the lowest scoring roster spot in IDP leagues (that coincidentally is also the hardest to project seeing as the true best corners are rarely the highest scoring in fantasy) it's what you said; unheard of. Imagine a guy so valuable you couldn't get him for Chase+Jefferson+

And it doesn't just have to be from Hunter putting up WR1+ numbers in a positional slot that is annually the lowest scoring fantasy position. It could also easily be league members trading away their teams entire future to gain what they think will be this league breaking advantage, and then he loses DB designation next year, or flops at WR and becomes a full time DB scoring 8 points a week like the rest of them. Sure, everyone will laugh and say serves the guy right for paying so much (knowing half of them probably tried to do the same). Then they'll quit and you'll have 11 owners in a 12 team league where that orphan team has a future so bleak you couldn't pay someone to take over.

I'm sure plenty of people disagree with me on this; but I think IDP leagues that also have offensive starters that don't put some kind of guard rails up to prevent things from falling apart will regret it sooner than later.

 

[eighsse2]

if he has dual eligibility, i think he's the 1.01. the prospect of plugging him into a DB or IDP flex spot is one hell of a chess piece. just to have the more consistent scoring profile of a WR vs a DB is an advantage. having unicorn scoring potential from a DB slot? unheard of.

All this does is make me happy I play in 0 leagues where this is possible. I've never found loopholes that completely break the game fun when playing competitively with others. And in my experience, rarely does anyone else unless they are the ones doing the breaking. Quick way to ruin a league IMO. If he winds up even a low end WR1, and gets DB snaps/scoring, and you can start him in what's almost universally the lowest scoring roster spot in IDP leagues (that coincidentally is also the hardest to project seeing as the true best corners are rarely the highest scoring in fantasy) it's what you said; unheard of. Imagine a guy so valuable you couldn't get him for Chase+Jefferson+

And it doesn't just have to be from Hunter putting up WR1+ numbers in a positional slot that is annually the lowest scoring fantasy position. It could also easily be league members trading away their teams entire future to gain what they think will be this league breaking advantage, and then he loses DB designation next year, or flops at WR and becomes a full time DB scoring 8 points a week like the rest of them. Sure, everyone will laugh and say serves the guy right for paying so much (knowing half of them probably tried to do the same). Then they'll quit and you'll have 11 owners in a 12 team league where that orphan team has a future so bleak you couldn't pay someone to take over.

I'm sure plenty of people disagree with me on this; but I think IDP leagues that also have offensive starters that don't put some kind of guard rails up to prevent things from falling apart will regret it sooner than later.

My opinion is it would be awesome, but not game-breaking. All depends, I guess, on what the average team score, average DB score, and average Hunter score are, for any given league. If the average DB is scoring 8 out of a team average 140, and Hunter averages 14, then yeah, it's a nice boost, but certainly not game-breaking. To really be seismic, it would have to be something like DB's averaging 4 out of 90 team average, and Hunter averaging 28, and those don't really sound like realistic numbers. Of course I'm just throwing out feeling-numbers. Standard deviations and all that jazz would have to factor in if you really wanted to quantify the impact, and I don't know how to do that.

 

[WagesOfZin]

agreed on awesome, but not game breaking. i'd venture most leagues where his dual eligibility will come into play incorporate a 15-20 man starting roster. big advantage? yeah. for sure.

more than when marshall faulk was a cheat code back in the day? ehhhhhhhhh. doubt it.

 

[mjb03003]

if he has dual eligibility, i think he's the 1.01. the prospect of plugging him into a DB or IDP flex spot is one hell of a chess piece. just to have the more consistent scoring profile of a WR vs a DB is an advantage. having unicorn scoring potential from a DB slot? unheard of.

Sleeper lists him as WR/DB in my league that starts 10 offense/10 defense. I think he'll probably make a minimal impact on defense and if he plays more snaps on defense, it probably takes him off the field some on offense. That said, agree that it's a cheat code to get a potential WR1/2 and plug him into a DB slot AND get whatever random points he puts up on defense as well.

I am the defending champ in this league, have a stacked RB room (Gibbs, Barkley, Bucky, Chase Brown), and also have 1.01 from a previous trade. Probably going to take Hunter but it still somehow feels riskier than just taking Jeanty.

 

[mjb03003]

How is FootballGuys coming up with their projections for Hunter? I have my leagues synced and in one that has zero IDP element Hunter is listed as WR12 scoring 251.75 points this season. His projected statline looks like this:

64.5 receptions, 853 yards, 5.5 TDs.

By my math that's 182.80 points and would put him down at WR43.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

I chickened out. 1.04 on the clock I went Henderson. I was 100% undecided for about an hour. He’s a superstar. I’m already regretting it.

For those of you that made the decision to go for it, good luck.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

The downside risk is that he’s a super talented player who gives you WR 2/3 production because he’s a 70% snap offense player because he is so so talented as a CB.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

On the other hand you may have landed Justin Jefferson

 

[Soulfly3]

^^^ damn 3 posts in a row, that regret hit you HARD @greenmountaingoat - sorry to hear it. You still made a good choice, but not the correct one, imo

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I chickened out. 1.04 on the clock I went Henderson. I was 100% undecided for about an hour. He’s a superstar. I’m already regretting it.

For those of you that made the decision to go for it, good luck.

I get this. Sitting in at 1.3 & 1.5, I have a win-now team in desperate need of two RBs and I'm more than satisfied with the RB options at these spots (Henderson might be the headliner). No shortage of high end talent or depth at WR on my current roster. Travis Hunter is a conundrum and a temptation I didn't want to negotiate at these spots. I will be relieved if someone else pulls the trigger at 1.2, but that team also needs RB.

If he's Chad Johnson/Justin Jefferson/Odell Beckham, all comps that I've heard but have healthy skepticism for at this point, I will have to take him at 1.3. Only if I become convinced such lofty comps are solid. The RB opportunity cost, workload concerns, and added injury and position priority risks are worth it at that level. IF those comps are aspirational, and WR20-24 is more likely, that becomes a HUGE miss at that spot given my glaring need at RB. The presence of BTJ alone is probably reason enough to believe low end WR2 is more likely than a top-5 stud. Low-end WR2s aren't in demand in a league that only has the hypothetical top 33-36 WRs in starting lineups. Adding another guy in this range to my WR room adds very little to my team.

I don't have to make the decision until August. Maybe I won't have to make it at all if he goes 1.2. I wouldn't beat yourself up for making a safer pick at that spot in April. I'm legitimately tempted to take Henderson over both Hunter and Hampton at 1.3, even though one should be off the board.

 

[SHH]

I chickened out. 1.04 on the clock I went Henderson. I was 100% undecided for about an hour. He’s a superstar. I’m already regretting it.

For those of you that made the decision to go for it, good luck.

Don't freak out too much. He's competing with targets with Brian Thomas Jr. I still think his upside is WR2 at best, unless Trevor Lawrence is going to somehow support two WR1 all while Travis Hunter plays both sides of the ball. Just seems like it's asking a lot.

I know the prospect is exciting, but it just seems like a lot of ifs. There's a clear WR1 ahead of him, he'll be learning two playbooks as a rookie, limited snaps, etc. Just hard to me to wrap my head around him coming in playing both sides and also taking significant targets away from Brian Thomas Jr. Even without the concerns of playing both sides of the ball, there is a very good player ahead of him in the pecking order who just went off for:


87 / 1,282 / 10 TD


He's a fun story, I just think he's more of justifiable in the 1.08 - 1.12 range. If having him on your team playing DB snaps that score you 0 points makes you happy, pull the trigger on him early. Maybe I'm a dummy and Jacksonville can sustain 2 WR1 while one of them also plays on defense too. Seems crazy to me, but I can understand getting caught up in the hype. It's fun.

 

[Faust]

Travis Hunter Fantasy Football Scoring Rules Revealed by Yahoo After 2025 NFL Draft

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's stop all the faux bickering for a minute and get down to brass tax

Would someone start us off on projected rookie numbers for Hunter as a Wide Receiver?
I have mine but would like to see some of those that are quite bullish on Hunter go ahead and post what they see as a reasonable number his 1st year with Jacksonville.

Projecting him as the Browns 1.2 selection 24 hours ago, I don't see how his WR fantasy value increased. Actual value as an NFL player given the price that was paid, absolutely. I will be thrilled to be wrong based on whatever quotes come out of the Jags press conference and their plans for him.

I'm not saying this guy matters at all to Hunter's fantasy outlook in the long run, but how viable is Gabe Davis (or Parker Washington) in 2026? Is Gabe a complete non-factor away from Josh Allen? Definitely liked the instant demand for Hunter's offensive playmaking in a Jeudy+Tillman room vs BTJ+whatever else. If the rest of the Jags receiving room is a complete nothingburger, then I can start to tell myself a story where Hunter is must-start in year one fantasy lineups.

What about the other CBs on roster? Really skeptical 70%+ on both sides of the ball is going to work in the NFL in 2026, but maybe he kills it. Can live with the added injury risk on the defensive side if the WR workload is fantasy viable.


^^^^^Over/under 850 yards receiving in Year One if I had to throw out a guess today.

I wanted to see at least one before I took a shot across the bow
60/800/4-5 TDs was what i was going to project for 2025 with an open end that I can adjust these based on camp reports and such

I don't think Hunter will come close to what BTJ was able to produce as a rookie last year, don't really feel like that's a hot take as most don't find that kind of success ever in their careers

I chickened out. 1.04 on the clock I went Henderson. I was 100% undecided for about an hour. He’s a superstar. I’m already regretting it.

For those of you that made the decision to go for it, good luck.

Don't freak out too much. He's competing with targets with Brian Thomas Jr. I still think his upside is WR2 at best, unless Trevor Lawrence is going to somehow support two WR1 all while Travis Hunter plays both sides of the ball. Just seems like it's asking a lot.

I know the prospect is exciting, but it just seems like a lot of ifs. There's a clear WR1 ahead of him, he'll be learning two playbooks as a rookie, limited snaps, etc. Just hard to me to wrap my head around him coming in playing both sides and also taking significant targets away from Brian Thomas Jr. Even without the concerns of playing both sides of the ball, there is a very good player ahead of him in the pecking order who just went off for:


87 / 1,282 / 10 TD


He's a fun story, I just think he's more of justifiable in the 1.08 - 1.12 range. If having him on your team playing DB snaps that score you 0 points makes you happy, pull the trigger on him early. Maybe I'm a dummy and Jacksonville can sustain 2 WR1 while one of them also plays on defense too. Seems crazy to me, but I can understand getting caught up in the hype. It's fun.

-I feel the same as you, I can't pretend Brian Thomas didn't have one of the best seasons I have ever seen for a rookie WR
The ones in the NFL currently that did anything like he did, you can count them on a single hand and they are typically regarded as "Elite"

-I'm not going to start taking away targets from Thomas until I see some serious smoking camp reports on Hunter and even then I think a strong WR opposite Thomas, only helps him
Defenses knew they had to stop Thomas last year by mid season and they couldn't do it most of the time.

I'm shocked so many are wanting shares of Hunter, for Redraft'25 purposes, he's not on the MoP radar right now, sorry to dynasty heads with No 2 picks that want to fall in love