Chad Johnson Superstar killing Chad Johnson (1 Viewer)

[Despyzer]

And I wonder why Sanders' desire left? Couldn't have anything to do with killing yourself each season and missing the playoffs year after year could it? Nahhhh, surely not. I'm apparently way off base here.

I can only assume the reason that this went unchallenged was to keep this thread on topic.Sanders made the playoffs 5 of his last 8 years in the league.

 

[Pound]

And I wonder why Sanders' desire left? Couldn't have anything to do with killing yourself each season and missing the playoffs year after year could it? Nahhhh, surely not. I'm apparently way off base here.

I can only assume the reason that this went unchallenged was to keep this thread on topic.Sanders made the playoffs 5 of his last 8 years in the league.

Please don't let facts get in the way!

 

[thayman]

It appears very apparent that 85's blow up with Palmer before the half was unprofessional, but emotions get the best of athlete's at times. Should it have waited until the locker room at halftime? Absolutely. But it just doesn't always work out that way, especially when frustration rears it's ugly head. If this type of reaction was commonplace for CJ, there would be far more reason for concern. I consider it a mulligan.

That being said, for people to criticize an uber-competetive athlete for holding his head in his hands just seconds after missing out on nearly making a spectacular play for a touchdown is downright ludicrous. If that play would've happened at midfield, 85 would've reacted the exact same way. Would anyone have cared then? Nope. RB's and WR's react that way all the time in football in that same situation. The feeling that you were a shoelace from breaking the play for a touchdown often leads players to hold their head in agony or slam their fist into the ground in frustration in regards to how close they were. This situation is no different in my opinion.

Bengals fan? Johnson fan? It was several seconds of basically pouting. It wasnt a quick fist punch to the ground. it was typical WR drama queen stuff, and it was just kindof weak. Is he an 'uber-competitive' athlete? Of course. Does he love the limelight? Of course. Does he truly know how to segregate the two? I really dont think so.

Bengals fan - noJohnson fan - sort of

I think CJ's antics can be a bit much at times, but he busts his hump all the time from what I can tell.

What's his head holding slightly over dramatic? Sure. But that's how he is. Why would he have to separate being an uber-competetive athlete and loving the limelight? I think the two likely go hand in hand to be honest. Do his antics really ever hurt the Bengals? I would say very rarely.

fair enough. but I think the bigger picture to the incident is that he's just not focused 100% of the time. And thats probably not a really fair criticism. But I expect Johnson to get that. I love watching the guy play, love his attitude, even love the entertainer in him. But while he's on the field, competing in the action, trying to win, especially against a team like the Pats in which youve got to be dialed in to the MAX, anything resembling a "solo" mindset just isnt going to fly. I think Marvin's aware of that. I think some of the press are aware of that. I think some of the Bengals fans, albeit possibly a small percentage, are aware of that. Marv has been there for 5 years, so he's got no control over Chad Johnson to a degree. Anyone who really loves CJ should want to see him at his absolute best, and that wont happen until he crosses that huge bridge that he still hasnt crossed.

He's not focused 100% of the time on catching the ball and scoring touchdowns. Because he is too preoccupied with catching the ball and scoring touchdowns????

OK, Im no genius, so that obviously makes 2 of us. But take the 'HOF jacket' TD. Johnson scores that TD, and takes about literally a half a second to tell Houshmanzadah to go grab the jacket. What exactly does that tell you? You dont think he was thinking about that jacket before he scored that TD? And thats fun and all until your team and your antics are 1-3. And honestly, HOF?? are you kidding me? who does that? be humble already for God's sake. He's nowhere near a HOFer at this point, and he's got some serious ground to make up to ever get there. And it will start with him dialing in 100% of the time and saving some of the silly stuff for his appearance on Oprah after he wins the Superbowl.

There seems to be very few humble WRs in the NFL. I also don't see how his celebrations are taking away from the team at all. If all he wants is to get into the endzone so he can do a celebration, he's still focused on getting into the endzone. I could argue that Tony Romo is only playing well because he is too focused on increasing his value for a new contract. The result is still going to benefit the team.

The defense is the reason that team is 1-3 not Chad Johnson.

Not gonna argue the point against Cinci's D. Its bad. Theyre hurt. The D isnt helping. That said, the turning point in that game occured at the end of the half when the Bengals were on O, and Palmer and Johnson got crossed up leading to an Asante Samuel INT. The QB and WR have to be on the same page regarding the coverage and making the right adjustments. On that play, NE's safety was there in coverage, doubling over the top and taking away anything going into the endzone. Samuel was covering underneath, but the play was there if Johnson had read it like Palmer did. Instead of running the short in, which Palmer read, and catching a ball that would have been in good position, but about 3 yards short of the goalline, CJ was looking over the top and hoping for something into the endzone. Johnson wanted it but it wasnt there. Palmer knew that. He could have thrown it away, or he could have expected Johnson would have run the short in. This is where looking to score a TD all the time can get in the way of the team goal. So what happens? Palmer reads the short in, makes the throw, and Asante jumps the route that Johnson never ran and makes the INT on the 2, changing the game. NE up by 10 going into the half instead of Cinci 1st and goal from the 2 or 3 possibly leading to a TD and down by 3. Turnover. Dead drive. Lost momentum. All of the above. Why? Because Chad Johnson wanted to make a TD catch over the top that wasnt there. That was why Palmer was getting on him. It wasnt the end of the game, but it was a critical moment, and it definitely didnt benefit the team. Scoring TDs is of course always nice. But there are 3 or 4 other guys out there who can make the same score that will help the team just as much. You can make any Tony Romo arguement you want. He's a good player, with no extended contract, who's unselfish, humble, spreads the ball around, and is leading an undefeated team. He doesnt strike me as a guy who's playing for the money. But certainly the arguement is there for anyone who wants to look at it that way.

I completely agree that the drive really killed momentum for the Bengals. Johnson simply ran the wrong route, it happens, Marvin Harrison ran a route wrong against Denver this weekend. That doesn't mean he doesn't have his head in the game.My point about Romo is simply that it is an example of another player that has something on his mind, a distraction and is doing fine.

Even if as you contend Johnson is only out there to make plays to get himself on SportsCenter as much as possible. Well that happens by him making plays, and scoring Touchdowns. Both of which the Bengals need.

 

[chadjohnsonfan]

And I wonder why Sanders' desire left? Couldn't have anything to do with killing yourself each season and missing the playoffs year after year could it? Nahhhh, surely not. I'm apparently way off base here.

I can only assume the reason that this went unchallenged was to keep this thread on topic.Sanders made the playoffs 5 of his last 8 years in the league.

Sorry about assuming he didn't make the playoffs. I'd heard time and time again that Sanders quit over the lack of team committment to winning and team success.How many of those 5 games did they win?

 

[Jon_Moore]

For those of you acting like the sideline arguement between Ocho & Palmer was all Chad, need to watch it again.Immediately after the play, while still on the field, Palmer comes after CJ to yell at him about his route. Palmer is also talking just as much as Chad on the sideline, he just isn't as animated. This was a case of TWO players getting into it on the sideline about what should have happened. My guess is that it was a read play where they were supposed to react to what a defender did and they both read it differently. Otherwise there wouldn't have been such a heated discussion.Some of you seem to think that it is impossible to be animated, entertaining & emotional but still be focused. That's just stupid. He can and is all of that.

Agree with you completely about the Palmer situation. CP ran down the field and immediately got on CJ. That's what started the whole thing. He shouldnt have done that, but he seemed to cool off, and later apologized for doing that. As either a QB or a WR, you just cant call out the other in front of the entire stadium. Both guys didnt handle that very well, imo. But it was a huge moment in the game, so its somewhat understandable. But that type of stuff is the 'fine line' stuff that seperates good teams from great ones. As for CJ not always being focused, who am I to argue with someone known here as "chadjohnsonfan"?? gotta take off the 'fan' shades once in a while and think objectively.

I disagree. I read a thing in ESPN a few years ago about Chad was supposed to run a simple route on a play, and took off on a fly, and when Chad got back to the huddle, Carson grabbed him by the facemask and cussed at him and told him not to do that cutesy BS again. If the reason for the pick is Chad ran the wrong route, do you blame Carson for being in his face?

 

[twitch]

For those of you acting like the sideline arguement between Ocho & Palmer was all Chad, need to watch it again.

Immediately after the play, while still on the field, Palmer comes after CJ to yell at him about his route. Palmer is also talking just as much as Chad on the sideline, he just isn't as animated. This was a case of TWO players getting into it on the sideline about what should have happened. My guess is that it was a read play where they were supposed to react to what a defender did and they both read it differently. Otherwise there wouldn't have been such a heated discussion.

Some of you seem to think that it is impossible to be animated, entertaining & emotional but still be focused. That's just stupid. He can and is all of that.

Agree with you completely about the Palmer situation. CP ran down the field and immediately got on CJ. That's what started the whole thing. He shouldnt have done that, but he seemed to cool off, and later apologized for doing that. As either a QB or a WR, you just cant call out the other in front of the entire stadium. Both guys didnt handle that very well, imo. But it was a huge moment in the game, so its somewhat understandable. But that type of stuff is the 'fine line' stuff that seperates good teams from great ones. As for CJ not always being focused, who am I to argue with someone known here as "chadjohnsonfan"?? gotta take off the 'fan' shades once in a while and think objectively.

I disagree. I read a thing in ESPN a few years ago about Chad was supposed to run a simple route on a play, and took off on a fly, and when Chad got back to the huddle, Carson grabbed him by the facemask and cussed at him and told him not to do that cutesy BS again. If the reason for the pick is Chad ran the wrong route, do you blame Carson for being in his face?

Ive been defending Chad Johnson in no way here, other than to say that the timing of Palmer's initial rant, and running down the field to make his point, again, on the field, was off. If youre Palmer and the QB, youve got to keep your cool. I know how tough that must be. But you just cant show up one of your big guns who youre depending on in the middle of the field after a miscommunication. It was a mistake. Palmer himself acknowledged it in his PC immediately afterwards and apologized. But I dont blame him one bit.

 

[Jon_Moore]

For those of you acting like the sideline arguement between Ocho & Palmer was all Chad, need to watch it again.

Immediately after the play, while still on the field, Palmer comes after CJ to yell at him about his route. Palmer is also talking just as much as Chad on the sideline, he just isn't as animated. This was a case of TWO players getting into it on the sideline about what should have happened. My guess is that it was a read play where they were supposed to react to what a defender did and they both read it differently. Otherwise there wouldn't have been such a heated discussion.

Some of you seem to think that it is impossible to be animated, entertaining & emotional but still be focused. That's just stupid. He can and is all of that.

Agree with you completely about the Palmer situation. CP ran down the field and immediately got on CJ. That's what started the whole thing. He shouldnt have done that, but he seemed to cool off, and later apologized for doing that. As either a QB or a WR, you just cant call out the other in front of the entire stadium. Both guys didnt handle that very well, imo. But it was a huge moment in the game, so its somewhat understandable. But that type of stuff is the 'fine line' stuff that seperates good teams from great ones. As for CJ not always being focused, who am I to argue with someone known here as "chadjohnsonfan"?? gotta take off the 'fan' shades once in a while and think objectively.

I disagree. I read a thing in ESPN a few years ago about Chad was supposed to run a simple route on a play, and took off on a fly, and when Chad got back to the huddle, Carson grabbed him by the facemask and cussed at him and told him not to do that cutesy BS again. If the reason for the pick is Chad ran the wrong route, do you blame Carson for being in his face?

Ive been defending Chad Johnson in no way here, other than to say that the timing of Palmer's initial rant, and running down the field to make his point, again, on the field, was off. If youre Palmer and the QB, youve got to keep your cool. I know how tough that must be. But you just cant show up one of your big guns who youre depending on in the middle of the field after a miscommunication. It was a mistake. Palmer himself acknowledged it in his PC immediately afterwards and apologized. But I dont blame him one bit.

Ah, I understand you now.