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Charcandrick WEST - Should we be talking about this kid ? (1 Viewer)

That one guy said:
Anyone else in league's that had FAAB waivers run already? Pretty much all in because I'm sitting on a garbage fire of RBs, but wonder if others are seeing a CMike type hype with big amounts thrown at him
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Dude in my league dropped $79 on him ($100 budget) and he's not even the Jamaal or Knile owner. He blew his load on him and is now out of FAAB. I guess you can call him 'all in.'

 
Its week 6, how many more WW darlings are there gonna be that warrant 50%+ of FAAB? I may go all-in (2 leagues, one where I am/was a Charles owner). I feel like I am loaded at other positions, and am willing to take that risk of using most of my FAAB.

 
I posted earlier that I went all in with 55....I asked the JC owner how much he bid and he said 30. He had his entire 100 left, owns Davis, and is a contender..... :oldunsure:

 
Due to position scarcity, I absolutely think he is/was worth blowing your entire budget on. I mean, DeMarco Murray is currently RB11 on a PPG basis in PPR which absolutely boggles my mind.

 
I have to go through this thread, haven't had time, but just watched all the tape I could find on this kid, and after seeing what he can do I went hard to the hole for this guy on waivers.. Originally I was listening to the waiver show and Bloom isn't convinced on this guy at all, and I was leaning towards just putting in a small bid for Knile Davis as the smart move, and it might turn out that way in the end, but I did a 180 after seeing what West can do. I made sure to watch the condensed KC games before waivers ran and he was doing the same stuff to NFL defenders that he was doing to college defenders at ACU. I think his skills will translate much like Dion Lewis skills have. Alex Smith only likes to throw the ball 5 yards so should be another PPR monster if given the opps. Worth a shot and since Jamaal is out of the picture for good its a good bet.

KC/Reid both have a history of producing RB stats in PPR so not sure why Bloom would say it's a situation like Hyde, a wasteland. I mean in PPR his floor seems to be 10-12 points per week with 20+ upside just like Lewis if given the #1 treatment. Am I crazy in thinking this? We can't possibly strike lightning twice this year with two top10 RBs sitting out there for the taking can we? Even if you blew 100% of your FAAB budget its worth it for a top12 RB in my book.

This kid has obvious skills and was clocked at sub 4.4 times at pro day, can catch etc. Someone chime in as to why he went undrafted. Small school the only reason?

 
I just got him for $60. I had 73 left. Next closest bid was $44. I feel ok about it. I would love it if he worked out, but didn't want to risk it and gave him work out for someone else.

 
mnmplayer said:
This kid has obvious skills and was clocked at sub 4.4 times at pro day, can catch etc. Someone chime in as to why he went undrafted. Small school the only reason?
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He doesn't seem to have a lot of lateral agility. He doesn't really side step or juke, but he turns quickly and without losing much speed and he does a good job lowering his pads. He seems to telegraph his more abrupt turns with a big arm wave like someone about to fall off a balance beam. That might be exploitable and could head to fumbles some day. He's got excellent speed and seems to have good instincts, and his size is well within the range for NFL running backs but his secondary numbers like 3 cone were not great. It sounds like he didn't get a combine invite which probably didn't help his stock.
 
Paid 80 and got nothing left. Nothing to lose at 1-4 after drafting CJ Anderson with a quarter of my auction budget. I am all in

 
He went for $66, (not JC owner), in my 14 team league. The owner had approx. $80 to work with. There were 3 other bids from $49-$56.

 
No idea how I got him with 8/12 waiver priority. 7/12 took Knile. We know he'll get plenty of work so the risk is low in that regard.

 
Don't mean to derail the thread, but slightly off topic, however related. Guys saying they blew their whole remaining FAAB, do y'all have free FA pickups after waivers? My league is only

FAAB, so if you blow your load and have small rosters, you're talking weeks where you get goose eggs when you don't already have a backup kicker, backup defense, uninjured bye week filler at other positions, etc. Can't see myself doing that when there are still so many bye weeks to navigate..

 
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NajehHejan said:
Don't mean to derail the thread, but slightly off topic, however related. Guys saying they blew their whole remaining FAAB, do y'all have free FA pickups after waivers? My league is only

FAAB, so if you blow your load and have small rosters, you're talking weeks where you get goose eggs when you don't already have a backup kicker, backup defense, uninjured bye week filler at other positions, etc. Can't see myself doing that when there are still so many bye weeks to navigate..
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Our league has a free ww after blind bidding is run. We already have one team down to nothing. He wasted $55 on Rawls.

 
I'm surprised by Bloom's very strong negative reaction to West. He's normally a guy who is in love with potential or at least the idea that we don't know a guy's ceiling until they show us. There is an unknown about how good West is but Bloom is basically writing him off already. I understand KC is turning into a dumpster fire and the offense won't be great without West. But what's the evidence that Davis (or Spencer Ware) will factor into this apart from coach speak? Davis seems to be out of favour for whatever reason and the thing that gives me some confidence with West is that he was given plenty of work in preseason and looked really good. The KC offense also heavily involves the RB (admittedly likely more when JC is there but still...).

I just don't get the negativity, especially given how few good options there have been at RB this year. Sure, this might end up being a committee of some sort but West has some talent and he'll get first shot at owning this backfield. Seems to be plenty to like here. Doesn't make sense to me to be pimping C-Mike in a similarly bad offense right now but be writing this guy off before he even gets his chance.

 
Guru said:
NajehHejan said:
Don't mean to derail the thread, but slightly off topic, however related. Guys saying they blew their whole remaining FAAB, do y'all have free FA pickups after waivers? My league is only

FAAB, so if you blow your load and have small rosters, you're talking weeks where you get goose eggs when you don't already have a backup kicker, backup defense, uninjured bye week filler at other positions, etc. Can't see myself doing that when there are still so many bye weeks to navigate..
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Our league has a free ww after blind bidding is run. We already have one team down to nothing. He wasted $55 on Rawls.
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Wasted? Rawls has looked pretty good, and Lynch isn't getting any younger.
 
bostonfred said:
mnmplayer said:
This kid has obvious skills and was clocked at sub 4.4 times at pro day, can catch etc. Someone chime in as to why he went undrafted. Small school the only reason?
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He doesn't seem to have a lot of lateral agility. He doesn't really side step or juke, but he turns quickly and without losing much speed and he does a good job lowering his pads. He seems to telegraph his more abrupt turns with a big arm wave like someone about to fall off a balance beam. That might be exploitable and could head to fumbles some day. He's got excellent speed and seems to have good instincts, and his size is well within the range for NFL running backs but his secondary numbers like 3 cone were not great. It sounds like he didn't get a combine invite which probably didn't help his stock.
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You haven't watched him if you think he is lacking in lateral agility. His only weakness is his size.

 
bostonfred said:
mnmplayer said:
This kid has obvious skills and was clocked at sub 4.4 times at pro day, can catch etc. Someone chime in as to why he went undrafted. Small school the only reason?
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He doesn't seem to have a lot of lateral agility. He doesn't really side step or juke, but he turns quickly and without losing much speed and he does a good job lowering his pads. He seems to telegraph his more abrupt turns with a big arm wave like someone about to fall off a balance beam. That might be exploitable and could head to fumbles some day. He's got excellent speed and seems to have good instincts, and his size is well within the range for NFL running backs but his secondary numbers like 3 cone were not great. It sounds like he didn't get a combine invite which probably didn't help his stock.
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He turns. He cuts. He doesn't juke. That may be a good thing, but it's what I notice when watching his very few NFL carries and his college stuff.

 
Got him for the league minimum in BB tonight - and this is a pretty tough and knowlegeable league. My thoughts are that he's likely JAG but couldn't resist throwing a min. bid out there just in case.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
Coaches film isn't available yet but I put together a small clip of all of his week 5 touches.

Here is coaches film of all his week 4 touches, however.
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Watch the first one (week five) and look at his second run I think. He's waving his arm back and forth like mad.Also watch his turns. It's like he's all joystick, no b button. He turns on a dime, and at speed, but it's not really shifty.

I'm not knocking his running style here. I'm a believer and own him in every league now.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Got him for the league minimum in BB tonight - and this is a pretty tough and knowlegeable league. My thoughts are that he's likely JAG but couldn't resist throwing a min. bid out there just in case.
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So you think Knile might be the favored one?

 
ATB said:
Bronco Billy said:
Got him for the league minimum in BB tonight - and this is a pretty tough and knowlegeable league. My thoughts are that he's likely JAG but couldn't resist throwing a min. bid out there just in case.
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So you think Knile might be the favored one?
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I don't think Knile consistently gets tough yards to keep the chains moving, plus he has ball security issues. He sure is a home run threat though.

I see this as a RBBC where the guy who gets the hot hand will play more, and that it will be game to game fluid. Going to be difficult to start either one with confidence. By picking up West on a flyer, I'm hoping that I'm wrong.

 
I just added West in both my leagues at about 50% of my waiver money. Like others have said there hasn't been a boom/bust guy like this on waivers this year.

Go big or go home!!

 
Bronco Billy said:
Got him for the league minimum in BB tonight - and this is a pretty tough and knowlegeable league. My thoughts are that he's likely JAG but couldn't resist throwing a min. bid out there just in case.
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I just grabbed him off FCFS waivers after BB ran last night. I don't know if people were psyched out by the reports of the giant bids or what. I wasn't prepared to make a large bid, so I didn't even try. But then when I saw him sitting there this morning, I dropped Coleman for him

 
in my two 12 team redrafts he went for:

I got him for $64, next highest was $37 (first year FAAB so people have been way to conservative)

Went for $60 to charles owner, 2nd place $54 in other league

 
shady inc said:
offered to trade him for any 2016 2nd round pick in a dynasty league and no one has taken me up
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Thats surprising. I wouldnt trade him for less than a 1. I would love to draft a guy mid-late first that I know the team already likes who has an immediate opportunity this year and next year will play behind a 30 year old coming off his second ACL tear - and then can become a free agent. West may suck, but so might Abdullah, Tevin Coleman, Duke J, and Yeldon...and those are the guys you take a shot on at RB in the mid-late first. West has every bit as much potential to contribute at a high level as those guys do.

 
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I spent $106 out of my remaining $171 and the second bid was $104. I'm the Charles and Davis owner already but that was a close one. Now I can just hope that one of the two guys gets the majority of touches and this doesn't go 50-50.

 
Hu-Tang Clan said:
I spent $106 out of my remaining $171 and the second bid was $104. I'm the Charles and Davis owner already but that was a close one. Now I can just hope that one of the two guys gets the majority of touches and this doesn't go 50-50.
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Whew, nice luck there! I was afraid to blow my stacks on him and them pull the rug by signing a Montee Ball/Bryce Brown/Ahmad Bradshaw. Wouldn't have mattered because I didn't have enough available to win the bid.

 
Managed to grab him last week for a minimum bid.

My dilemma was deciding on a 1, 2, or 3 year contract at that price. Ultimately went with a 2 year deal.

 
bostonfred said:
mnmplayer said:
This kid has obvious skills and was clocked at sub 4.4 times at pro day, can catch etc. Someone chime in as to why he went undrafted. Small school the only reason?
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He doesn't seem to have a lot of lateral agility. He doesn't really side step or juke, but he turns quickly and without losing much speed and he does a good job lowering his pads. He seems to telegraph his more abrupt turns with a big arm wave like someone about to fall off a balance beam. That might be exploitable and could head to fumbles some day. He's got excellent speed and seems to have good instincts, and his size is well within the range for NFL running backs but his secondary numbers like 3 cone were not great. It sounds like he didn't get a combine invite which probably didn't help his stock.
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He may not have a traditional "jump cut" a la Joseph Addai, but "The thing that pops out when you watch West is his cutting ability. West demonstrates wonderfully fast cuts and changes direction on a dime." From what I have seen on tape I agree with this assessment made by the fellow in this article http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/10/14/9529655/charcandrick-west-guy-kansas-city-chiefs-jamaal-Charles

So without getting too technical on how he is elusive, we can at least agree he is a very quick, elusive runner.

 
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ArbyMelt said:
Went for 95% in both my leagues, yikes.
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I saw that as well in one of my FPCs. Insane that people will go that hard on a guy this early.

I threw up a bid of 51% in one of my other FPCs and was shocked that I landed him. Next highest was 46%.

 
Spent 91% and 93% to get him in two of my leagues. Had him since the beginning of the season in two others.

 
Waivers just ran in my main dyno league. We have $1000 budgets. I won the bid (I'm the Charles owner). Here were the bids:

$776

$727

$505

$501

$276

$254

 
proninja said:
I got West on waivers that run in reverse order of standings ahead of the only really active/savvy owner in my league. I was one spot ahead of him. I don't feel as bad about the loss last week now. :thumbup:

And yes, I will be sure to keep you updated about my fantasy team. This is more of a :blackdot: than a useful post.
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got him with #2 priority and this is also my :jasonseahorn:
 
mnmplayer said:
bostonfred said:
mnmplayer said:
This kid has obvious skills and was clocked at sub 4.4 times at pro day, can catch etc. Someone chime in as to why he went undrafted. Small school the only reason?
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He doesn't seem to have a lot of lateral agility. He doesn't really side step or juke, but he turns quickly and without losing much speed and he does a good job lowering his pads. He seems to telegraph his more abrupt turns with a big arm wave like someone about to fall off a balance beam. That might be exploitable and could head to fumbles some day. He's got excellent speed and seems to have good instincts, and his size is well within the range for NFL running backs but his secondary numbers like 3 cone were not great. It sounds like he didn't get a combine invite which probably didn't help his stock.
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He may not have a traditional "jump cut" a la Joseph Addai, but "The thing that pops out when you watch West is his cutting ability. West demonstrates wonderfully fast cuts and changes direction on a dime." From what I have seen on tape I agree with this assessment made by the fellow in this article http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/10/14/9529655/charcandrick-west-guy-kansas-city-chiefs-jamaal-CharlesSo without getting too technical on how he is elusive, we can at least agree he is a very quick, elusive runner.
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Yes. I agree with all of that. I was just answering your question about why he might not have been drafted because he does look pretty good to me.
 
ROYALWITCHEESE said:
bostonfred said:
mnmplayer said:
This kid has obvious skills and was clocked at sub 4.4 times at pro day, can catch etc. Someone chime in as to why he went undrafted. Small school the only reason?
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He doesn't seem to have a lot of lateral agility. He doesn't really side step or juke, but he turns quickly and without losing much speed and he does a good job lowering his pads. He seems to telegraph his more abrupt turns with a big arm wave like someone about to fall off a balance beam. That might be exploitable and could head to fumbles some day. He's got excellent speed and seems to have good instincts, and his size is well within the range for NFL running backs but his secondary numbers like 3 cone were not great. It sounds like he didn't get a combine invite which probably didn't help his stock.
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You haven't watched him if you think he is lacking in lateral agility. His only weakness is his size.
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I haven't watched him enough to form an opinion but I've read from multiple FF "experts" who question his lateral agility and his three cone and short shuttle times were considered below average for a RB of his size.

So questioning it is certainly reasonable at this point.

 
Got him for $27 of $150 FAAB. :thumbup:

Also got Freeman for $26 back on 9/30 to join ADP and Tay Train :thumbup:

No idea why this league is so shy with thier FAAB dollars. Crazy. Earlier in the year, Melvin Gordon went for 44 and James Jones went for $51...

 
[icon] said:
Got him for $27 of $150 FAAB. :thumbup:

Also got Freeman for $26 back on 9/30 to join ADP and Tay Train :thumbup:

No idea why this league is so shy with thier FAAB dollars. Crazy. Earlier in the year, Melvin Gordon went for 44 and James Jones went for $51...
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Maybe it is a public league that people just used for a mock draft. 18% doesn't win him in any 12 team league where people are paying attention.

 
FF Ninja said:
[icon] said:
Got him for $27 of $150 FAAB. :thumbup:

Also got Freeman for $26 back on 9/30 to join ADP and Tay Train :thumbup:

No idea why this league is so shy with thier FAAB dollars. Crazy. Earlier in the year, Melvin Gordon went for 44 and James Jones went for $51...
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Maybe it is a public league that people just used for a mock draft. 18% doesn't win him in any 12 team league where people are paying attention.
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Four individual 10T "divisions" with $350 entry and $10 FA moves... total prize pool is usually $20-25k.

 
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