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**** Chargers Interminable Thread - Because No One Demanded It **** (3 Viewers)

Nick Vermeil said:
Tau837 said:
After last year's draft and UDFA signings, the Chargers:
  1. Signed WR Chark (5/6)
  2. Signed Edge Dupree (5/13)
  3. Signed OL Leatherwood (5/29)
  4. Signed S Jefferson (6/14)
  5. Signed IDL Tart (8/16)
  6. Claimed RB Haskins off waivers (8/28)
  7. Traded for S Molden (8/29)
  8. Traded for QB Heinicke (8/29)

All but Leatherwood and Jefferson made the final 53 man roster, and Jefferson obviously stuck with the team. So chances are that there will be more moves to come, which makes it difficult to project the final roster.

But here is a look at what it might look like:
  • Offense (26)
    • QB (3) - Herbert, Heinicke, Lance
      • Would prefer to see them go with two but can't see Lance as QB2... the Chargers gave Lance $1.5M guaranteed, which suggests he will make the final roster
    • RB (3) - Harris, Hampton (R), Haskins
      • Vidal is odd man out since he does not play special teams
      • Will they really go with just 3 RBs? If they keep a 4th, have to cut somewhere else
    • FB (1) - Matlock
    • WR (6) - McConkey, Williams, Harris (R), Johnston, Lambert-Smith (R), Davis
      • Don't see carrying 7 WRs with this group, especially since Gadsden plays a lot like a big WR
      • Would love to cut Davis, since he looks even further away from getting any meaningful snaps or role other than returning kickoffs and punts than it appeared last year at this time... does anyone else on the roster have return experience?
      • Don't see Rice beating out Lambert-Smith... he and/or Reagor could make the practice squad
    • TE (4) - Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden (R), Fisk
    • OL (9) - LT Slater, LG Johnson, C Bozeman, RG Becton, RT Alt, C/G James, G/T Salyer, G/T (swing tackle) Pipkins, G/T Taylor (R)
  • Defense (24)
    • Edge (4) - Mack, Tuipulotu, Kennard (R), Dupree
    • IDL (5) - Caldwell (R), Tart, Hand, Jones, Eboigbe
      • I'm showing here that Ogbonnia, who is the only player in this group held over from the Telesco/Staley regime, won't make it... tough call
      • Matlock may also contribute here... that versatility makes it easier to release Ogbonnia
    • LB (5) - Henley, Colson, Perryman, Dye, Phillips
    • CB (6) - Jackson, Hart, Still, Leonard, St. Juste, Taylor
      • I could see Taylor not making it but I think they will carry 6 CBs and I'm not sure if any of the other CBs currently on the 90 man roster or rookie Bridges can beat him out... maybe a good area to target with a veteran free agent signing... or could the team go with 5 CBs and 5 safeties and keep Jefferson over Taylor?
    • S (4) - James, Gilman, Molden, Mickens (R)
      • I'm thinking Mickens is a long term player for the team, so thinking he beats out Jefferson
  • Special Teams (3)
    • PK (1) - Dicker
    • P (1) - Scott
    • LS (1) - Harris

I didn't show any UDFAs making it here. I don't know enough about them yet to know if any have a realistic chance. If any one of them was to make it, someone I listed has to be removed. It's a tight numbers game.

If the Chargers needed 2025 cap space, I might identify a couple possible cap casualties, but they don't appear as if they are going to spend close to what they already have available.

The offense should be quite a bit better, which is a good thing, since it appears to me that the defense will be worse.

Thoughts?
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I’d feel a lot better about it if Ford was still listed on the DL and maybe even if Samuel was with the DBs. They are going to have money left over most likely.
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Agree on Ford.

I really don't understand why they have so much cap space left over right now. They could have been more aggressive in free agency. Now, if they were to do something that at this point seems unexpected and trade for TE Andrews, that would make more sense, but there is no sign of something like that happening. I guess they will probably use a bit on Slater's contract extension, since they have no apparnet need to backload his contract to keep his 2025 cap number the same as now or lower. But, overall, it feels like a missed opportunity. Ford is a perfect example... they could have spent $4M more per year on average and kept him, which IMO would have been worth it.
 
Tau837 said:
2025 Roster Thoughts - Post Draft
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Thanks for the detailed write up.

I could not agree more on the disappointing decision regarding Ford. Probably the biggest head scratcher of all his moves so far.

Henriksen drama continues to escalate, so that would be amazing if they could somehow get him. I don’t know if cinci is known for being reasonable though. I’d imagine they only let him go if they get an overwhelming offer.
 
Tough schedule, brutal end to the season. At least they have a late bye. I thought I read they don't play anyone coming off bye week either. Is that right?

I'm thinking 8 to 10 wins seems realistic.
 
Gr00vus said:
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Tau837 said:
2025 Roster Thoughts - Post Draft
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Great write up.

I'd like to think they've left money on the table yo retain flexibility. The defense has taken a step back at idl, cb, and probably edge unless there are some real surprises among the later draft picks or udfas. Maybe they'll look to address that as cuts happen or in trade.
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I'm not sure they took a step back at CB. ASJ hardly played last year, and I don't see any reason that Donte Jackson can't be as good as Fulton was last year. Plus, second year players Still and Hart could be better (and for Hart, healthier).

Agree on IDL and Edge, though. Unless they trade for Hendrickson.

IMO a lot of their success last season was a credit to the coaching staff, and they are still there. Hoping that will help to limit the regression.
 
Gr00vus said:
Tough schedule, brutal end to the season. At least they have a late bye. I thought I read they don't play anyone coming off bye week either. Is that right?

I'm thinking 8 to 10 wins seems realistic.
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Last year there were 5 teams with 8 or 9 wins. None made the playoffs.
Last year there were 6 teams with 10 wins. 5 made the playoffs, and 3 were division winners.

I'm hoping they make it to double digit wins.
 
Chargers had a sneaky good draft and they are a sneaky good team. They have a really good defense and now they have a good young running back to go with a steady Eddie type in Najee Harris.

Definitely a dark horse in the AFC West.
 
What are we hearing from OTA’s about the interior OL? I think Becton is a massive step fwd on the right side but am still very worried about C and LG.

Is Zion really a possibility at C? Such a disappoint so far.

ETA: With the shiny Pro Bowl tackles on either side and Becton at RG, it’s easy to envision big things for Harris and Hampton. But I’m not sure the fantasy community at large realizes how awful the Bolts interior line has been in recent years.
 
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What are we hearing from OTA’s about the interior OL? I think Becton is a massive step fwd on the right side but am still very worried about C and LG.

Is Zion really a possibility at C? Such a disappoint so far.

ETA: With the shiny Pro Bowl tackles on either side and Becton at RG, it’s easy to envision big things for Harris and Hampton. But I’m not sure the fantasy community at large realizes how awful the Bolts interior line has been in recent years.
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Yeah that’s a big question mark. And from what I’ve read they seem to just have Bozeman and Johnson switching spots. Not sure how much that will help. Everything has been in shorts though. I don’t think we’ll know anything until they put the pads on.

I’m also anxious to see if Slater is going to participate or pull a “hold in.” With all the money they didn’t spend on free agency or keeping Ford they need to make sure they pay him.
 
Not that Big Mike was a gem, but it at least gave Herbert a familiar veteran target. Outside of Ladd, relying on QJ to take a step forward and a rookie to step in to produce immediately seems a little too optimistic. With Amari and Keenan still available, any chance they look to bring in a veteran presence?
 
Today, the ideal lead roles seem to be:

Slot McConkey
X Harris
Z Johnston

The biggest risk here is that it takes Harris time to adjust from such a WR friendly college offense to the NFL. I love Keenan Allen, but his fit is weakest at X. Signing him would likely mean he and McConkey split slot and Z and Johnston opens at X until Harris is ready to assume a bigger role there.

I would still sign Allen if he will sign for a reasonable contract, i.e., less than $10M. But I'm a bit skeptical it will happen.
 
There is a huge reliance on McConkey here, if he gets dinged they would be in trouble. Signing Keenan at least gives them familiar insurance for that role, but I understand the positional overlap and cost concerns.
 
With the HOF in ithe books and Gates in the HOF where he belongs, some roster thoughts.

IMO the Chargers want to keep:
  • 3 QB
  • 4 RB
  • 1 FB
  • 6 WR
  • 4 TE
  • 9 OL
  • 6 IDL
  • 5 Edge
  • 5 LB
  • 6 CB
  • 5 S
  • 1 PK
  • 1 P
  • 1 LS
But that is 57 players. IMO it comes down to eliminating 4 of these:
  • 3rd QB - I'm very skeptical they will eliminate this position
  • 6th WR - IMO this likely requires Davis to be the odd man out; more on this below
  • 4th TE - could presumably slide Fisk to practice squad, but he played 22 snaps/game over the last 10 games last season, and I think the coaching staff really liked his run blocking
  • 9th OL - I'm skeptical they want to do this given how OL centric they are... but if all are healthy, having C James, T/G Pipkins, and G/T Salyer as depth could enable this
  • 6th IDL - seems possible, but this is probably the weakest position group, so this seems undesirable
  • 5th Edge - seems likely IMO
  • 5th LB - I would have said this seemed unlikely before Perryman's arrest; now I think they could go with 4 LBs, but they really need Colson to step up for that
  • 6th CB / 5th safety - I think they will be forced to go with 10 DBs rather than 11; the easiest way to do this is to release Jefferson and sign him to the practice squad like last year; I will note, I don't think Mickens would make it to the practice squad or last long on it if he did, so I don't think cutting him makes sense
11th DB, 5th Edge, and 5th LB (Perryman) all seem likely to go IMO. That leaves one more. If Hines (Miller-Hines) is fully healthy and back to previous form, one way to solve that is to keep Hines at RB3 and KR/PR and cut or trade WR Davis. It wouldn't surprise me if they were able to trade Davis late in preseason for a 6th or 7th round pick if some team is struggling or has an injury at returner.

Hortiz seems likely to add one or more players late. Last season, he added these players in mid-August or later:
  • 8/14 - TE Fisk
  • 8/16 - IDL Tart
  • 8/28 - RB Haskins
  • 8/29 - QB Heinicke
  • 8/29 - S Molden
He has much more cap space to work with this year, in case that matters.

So some players are likely to be added, and injuries will likely also be a factor. But that said, this looks like a strong possibility as of today:

  • Offense (26):
    • QB (3): Herbert, Heinicke, Lance
    • RB (4): Harris, Hampton (R), Miller-Hines, Haskins
      • I could see Harris opening on NFI or PUP list, meaning Vidal could make it; I once thought Sanders had a strong chance, but he hasn't been practicing
    • FB (1): Matlock
    • WR (5): McConkey, Allen, Johnston, Harris (R), KLS (R)
      • Expecting Allen to be signed within the next week
    • TE (4): Dissly, Conklin, Fisk, Gadsden (R)
    • OL (9): LT Slater, LG Johnson, C Bozeman, RG Becton, RT Alt, C James, G/T Salyer, T/G Pipkins, Taylor (R)
  • Defense (24):
    • Edge (4): Mack, Tuipulotu, Dupree, Kennard (R)
    • IDL (6): Tart, Hand, Jones, Ogbonnia, Eboigbe, Caldwell (R)
    • LB (4): Henley, Colson, Dye, Phillips
      • I am assuming Perryman's arrest situation will result in him not making the team
    • CB (6): Jackson, Still, Hart, St. Juste, Taylor, Leonard
      • Could Reed force himself in over St. Juste, Taylor, or Leonard? After last season, I thought Taylor would be gone but he has reportedly had a great offseason and training camp
    • S (4): James, Gilman, Molden, Mickens (R)
      • Could they keep 5 safeties and keep Jefferson over the 6th CB? James will probably play even more slot snaps this season, meaning he is effectively splitting time at CB
  • Special Teams (3):
    • PK (1): Dicker
    • P (1): Scott
    • LS (1): Harris
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Giants/Chargers tickets acquired for week 4. We’ll be 30 rows behind the Chargers bench on the 25 yard line. My 10 year old is hoping to get down to the front for a few autographs. I’d like a Keenan Allen signature so hope they sign him!
 
Tau837 said:
With the HOF in ithe books and Gates in the HOF where he belongs, some roster thoughts.

IMO the Chargers want to keep:
  • 3 QB
  • 4 RB
  • 1 FB
  • 6 WR
  • 4 TE
  • 9 OL
  • 6 IDL
  • 5 Edge
  • 5 LB
  • 6 CB
  • 5 S
  • 1 PK
  • 1 P
  • 1 LS
But that is 57 players. IMO it comes down to eliminating 4 of these:
  • 3rd QB - I'm very skeptical they will eliminate this position
  • 6th WR - IMO this likely requires Davis to be the odd man out; more on this below
  • 4th TE - could presumably slide Fisk to practice squad, but he played 22 snaps/game over the last 10 games last season, and I think the coaching staff really liked his run blocking
  • 9th OL - I'm skeptical they want to do this given how OL centric they are... but if all are healthy, having C James, T/G Pipkins, and G/T Salyer as depth could enable this
  • 6th IDL - seems possible, but this is probably the weakest position group, so this seems undesirable
  • 5th Edge - seems likely IMO
  • 5th LB - I would have said this seemed unlikely before Perryman's arrest; now I think they could go with 4 LBs, but they really need Colson to step up for that
  • 6th CB / 5th safety - I think they will be forced to go with 10 DBs rather than 11; the easiest way to do this is to release Jefferson and sign him to the practice squad like last year; I will note, I don't think Mickens would make it to the practice squad or last long on it if he did, so I don't think cutting him makes sense
11th DB, 5th Edge, and 5th LB (Perryman) all seem likely to go IMO. That leaves one more. If Hines (Miller-Hines) is fully healthy and back to previous form, one way to solve that is to keep Hines at RB3 and KR/PR and cut or trade WR Davis. It wouldn't surprise me if they were able to trade Davis late in preseason for a 6th or 7th round pick if some team is struggling or has an injury at returner.

Hortiz seems likely to add one or more players late. Last season, he added these players in mid-August or later:
  • 8/14 - TE Fisk
  • 8/16 - IDL Tart
  • 8/28 - RB Haskins
  • 8/29 - QB Heinicke
  • 8/29 - S Molden
He has much more cap space to work with this year, in case that matters.

So some players are likely to be added, and injuries will likely also be a factor. But that said, this looks like a strong possibility as of today:

  • Offense (26):
    • QB (3): Herbert, Heinicke, Lance
    • RB (4): Harris, Hampton (R), Miller-Hines, Haskins
      • I could see Harris opening on NFI or PUP list, meaning Vidal could make it; I once thought Sanders had a strong chance, but he hasn't been practicing
    • FB (1): Matlock
    • WR (5): McConkey, Allen, Johnston, Harris (R), KLS (R)
      • Expecting Allen to be signed within the next week
    • TE (4): Dissly, Conklin, Fisk, Gadsden (R)
    • OL (9): LT Slater, LG Johnson, C Bozeman, RG Becton, RT Alt, C James, G/T Salyer, T/G Pipkins, Taylor (R)
  • Defense (24):
    • Edge (4): Mack, Tuipulotu, Dupree, Kennard (R)
    • IDL (6): Tart, Hand, Jones, Ogbonnia, Eboigbe, Caldwell (R)
    • LB (4): Henley, Colson, Dye, Phillips
      • I am assuming Perryman's arrest situation will result in him not making the team
    • CB (6): Jackson, Still, Hart, St. Juste, Taylor, Leonard
      • Could Reed force himself in over St. Juste, Taylor, or Leonard? After last season, I thought Taylor would be gone but he has reportedly had a great offseason and training camp
    • S (4): James, Gilman, Molden, Mickens (R)
      • Could they keep 5 safeties and keep Jefferson over the 6th CB? James will probably play even more slot snaps this season, meaning he is effectively splitting time at CB
  • Special Teams (3):
    • PK (1): Dicker
    • P (1): Scott
    • LS (1): Harris
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Thanks for the analysis. The depth looks a lot better this year. The bottom bench spots for RB, WR and DB have some pretty decent players.
 
King of the Jungle said:
There is a huge reliance on McConkey here, if he gets dinged they would be in trouble. Signing Keenan at least gives them familiar insurance for that role, but I understand the positional overlap and cost concerns.
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Maybe QJ won't drop as many balls this year and don't forget, they drafted Trey Harris in the 2nd round?
I doubt Harris will be a game changer his rookie season but he had 3 strong years in college to close out the books including 1,000+/7TDs in just 8 games last year
6-2/205, decent size, he's gonna be involved I would think.
If they sign Allen it will only help the WR room and give them another option which is kind of what you said
 
Great roster analysis as always Taub.

Don’t want to read too much into a preseason game, and the HOF game at that, but man the Chargers look much improved depth wise. Especially excited about how 3rd round DT Jamaree Caldwell looked. Drew a holding penalty, made a couple tackles, and looked very disruptive in his snaps. This was an area of weakness in recent years so the idea of the rookie from Oregon being a plus would be a huge upgrade.

KLS probably overvalued in FF at this point but it’s impossible to not be excited about him making plays in his first opportunities.
 
After signing a record deal, Slater was carted off the field with a left leg injury today. Doesn't sound good.

Chargers, every season a struggle. The front office seems to have done yet another crummy job of addressing the offensive line depth (and starters at lg and c), of course it bites them right away.
 
Gr00vus said:
After signing a record deal, Slater was carted off the field with a left leg injury today. Doesn't sound good.

Chargers, every season a struggle. The front office seems to have done yet another crummy job of addressing the offensive line depth (and starters at lg and c), of course it bites them right away.
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That is awful news for the Chargers. Hope it is a false alarm.
 
Gr00vus said:
After signing a record deal, Slater was carted off the field with a left leg injury today. Doesn't sound good.

Chargers, every season a struggle. The front office seems to have done yet another crummy job of addressing the offensive line depth (and starters at lg and c), of course it bites them right away.
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Not good sign at all reading Popper: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/65...awn-slater-chargers-injury-nfl-training-camp/

Sounds like we’re going to be seeing a lot of Pipkins at right tackle again. Yuck.
 
Heartbreak for the Chargers. They may have had (probably did) a top five o-line. It's still a solid line but this is huge. I feel bad for the team and their fans.

I feel bad for Rashawn too but, super happy he just got paid. This is exactly why I am virtually always, maybe literally, pro player when it comes to contracts.
 
Gr00vus said:
After signing a record deal, Slater was carted off the field with a left leg injury today. Doesn't sound good.

Chargers, every season a struggle. The front office seems to have done yet another crummy job of addressing the offensive line depth (and starters at lg and c), of course it bites them right away.
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What could they possibly have done to protect against an injury to Rashawn (or Alt)?
 
4th Highest paid player on the team so just from a sunken cos in 2025, brutal

Terrible impact for the running game and will also hinder the Chargers ability to drop Herbert back to survey the field
It will be a major uphill battle for the Bolts and if they knew they were going to be without a Left Tackle for the season, likely they would have drafted someone to bolster the OL reserves
It's gonna bite the Bolts in the butt at some point. They will try and run the ball a lot between the tackles, and its gonna be a continuation of limiting Herbert or exposing him

Not a good day for LA
 
Chaka said:
Heartbreak for the Chargers. They may have had (probably did) a top five o-line. It's still a solid line but this is huge. I feel bad for the team and their fans.

I feel bad for Rashawn too but, super happy he just got paid. This is exactly why I am virtually always, maybe literally, pro player when it comes to contracts.
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Really unfortunate. Probably the most important player on the roster after Herbert. Also glad he got paid.

FA options could include: Jedrick Wills, George Fant, maybe Tyron Smith if he wants to play? They could also move Alt to LT.

ETA: Super outside shot they kick Becton to tackle?
 
travdogg said:
Chaka said:
Heartbreak for the Chargers. They may have had (probably did) a top five o-line. It's still a solid line but this is huge. I feel bad for the team and their fans.

I feel bad for Rashawn too but, super happy he just got paid. This is exactly why I am virtually always, maybe literally, pro player when it comes to contracts.
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Really unfortunate. Probably the most important player on the roster after Herbert. Also glad he got paid.

FA options could include: Jedrick Wills, George Fant, maybe Tyron Smith if he wants to play? They could also move Alt to LT.

ETA: Super outside shot they kick Becton to tackle?
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I really wonder what the deal is with Willis. You would think a guy at his age would have at least gotten some looks by now. I wonder what the deal is there?
 
Chaka said:
travdogg said:
Chaka said:
Heartbreak for the Chargers. They may have had (probably did) a top five o-line. It's still a solid line but this is huge. I feel bad for the team and their fans.

I feel bad for Rashawn too but, super happy he just got paid. This is exactly why I am virtually always, maybe literally, pro player when it comes to contracts.
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Really unfortunate. Probably the most important player on the roster after Herbert. Also glad he got paid.

FA options could include: Jedrick Wills, George Fant, maybe Tyron Smith if he wants to play? They could also move Alt to LT.

ETA: Super outside shot they kick Becton to tackle?
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I really wonder what the deal is with Willis. You would think a guy at his age would have at least gotten some looks by now. I wonder what the deal is there?
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He had some injury issues, where he and the team disagreed how injured he was. I feel like he got screwed over a bit by the Browns FO.
 
travdogg said:
Chaka said:
travdogg said:
Chaka said:
Heartbreak for the Chargers. They may have had (probably did) a top five o-line. It's still a solid line but this is huge. I feel bad for the team and their fans.

I feel bad for Rashawn too but, super happy he just got paid. This is exactly why I am virtually always, maybe literally, pro player when it comes to contracts.
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Really unfortunate. Probably the most important player on the roster after Herbert. Also glad he got paid.

FA options could include: Jedrick Wills, George Fant, maybe Tyron Smith if he wants to play? They could also move Alt to LT.

ETA: Super outside shot they kick Becton to tackle?
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I really wonder what the deal is with Willis. You would think a guy at his age would have at least gotten some looks by now. I wonder what the deal is there?
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He had some injury issues, where he and the team disagreed how injured he was. I feel like he got screwed over a bit by the Browns FO.
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What must they have said to the rest of the league that, I don't even think he's had a workout yet? Has he soft retired?

He's barely 26 years old and he was the number 10 overall pick just four seasons ago. There has to be something more going on here. Teams must really question his desire to play.
 
Nick Vermeil said:
I expect @Tau837 to be in here shortly to explain to us why this is probably going to be ok.
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I don't know about that. I think there is a good argument that Slater is was the second most valuable player on the Chargers after Herbert.

That said, I think they can work around it if the rest of the key players on offense stay healthy. If this had to happen, better now than at any later point in the preseason/season.

It is also worth noting, there is no guarantee Slater will ever return to form. This might be the start of Alt as LT of the future. They have no choice but to play the hand they were dealt.

Scoresman said:
https://x.com/lordreebs/status/1953582338484625679?s=46&t=0bkdvEq6zVjsmxF42vkjRQ
A lot of moving parts here for 2025, but the Chargers ran 159 plays last season with Rashawn Slater off the field.

On those plays...

4.8 yards per play (would have ranked 27th)
37.9% success rate (29th)
3.2 YPC (32nd)
15.1% rate of 10+ yard plays (32nd)
5% rate of 20+ yards plays (24th)
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I don't think this is particularly meaningful. Slater got hurt in game 3 and missed game 4 (along with game 17). In games 3-4, Herbert was playing through a high ankle sprain, and they were playing two very good defenses in PIT and KC. They were also the 3rd and 4th games for the team in the new offense, and RT Alt also missed game 4.

This year, without Slater, if others stay healthy, the Chargers have upgraded RG over what they had without Slater last season. They have upgraded their passing targets across the board. They have upgraded their RBs, particularly if Harris recovers.

Don't get me wrong, I think Slater was an All Pro caliber LT. Even if Alt can match his play at LT, which is possible, that just shifts the problem to RT, and that will be impactful. Pipkins has been an okay RT in the past (better than last year when he played RG). They will have to get by with him, assuming they don't decide to kick Becton out to one of the tackle spots.
 
Chaka said:
Gr00vus said:
After signing a record deal, Slater was carted off the field with a left leg injury today. Doesn't sound good.

Chargers, every season a struggle. The front office seems to have done yet another crummy job of addressing the offensive line depth (and starters at lg and c), of course it bites them right away.
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What could they possibly have done to protect against an injury to Rashawn (or Alt)?
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Invested in better depth behind them and better starters at lg and c so that losing one of them isn't quite as catastrophic.
 
tommyGunZ said:
I’m just glad Slater got his money before participating in camp. Perfect example of why players hold out until the ink is dry.
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Didn't he get paid prior to last season?
I thought I saw $38M last year and another $18M or $56M in about 12 months?
Maybe I misread

It's good to feel that way for the individual but the overall team suffers immensely, certainly the 2025 season just got a lot tougher for the entire offense
It's impossible to replace Slater at Left Tackle, I'm trying to think of anyone that might have just retired that they could bring in. Trades will be hard to find
They need a 1-year solution

Bucs are down Whirfs right now, some think a couple games, I think he won't be seen until about mid season
Hampton fans should not be deterred, lot of running between the Tackles is my opinion, he's up to the challenge.
 
Tau837 said:
Nick Vermeil said:
I expect @Tau837 to be in here shortly to explain to us why this is probably going to be ok.
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I don't know about that. I think there is a good argument that Slater is was the second most valuable player on the Chargers after Herbert.

That said, I think they can work around it if the rest of the key players on offense stay healthy. If this had to happen, better now than at any later point in the preseason/season.

It is also worth noting, there is no guarantee Slater will ever return to form. This might be the start of Alt as LT of the future. They have no choice but to play the hand they were dealt.

Scoresman said:
https://x.com/lordreebs/status/1953582338484625679?s=46&t=0bkdvEq6zVjsmxF42vkjRQ
A lot of moving parts here for 2025, but the Chargers ran 159 plays last season with Rashawn Slater off the field.

On those plays...

4.8 yards per play (would have ranked 27th)
37.9% success rate (29th)
3.2 YPC (32nd)
15.1% rate of 10+ yard plays (32nd)
5% rate of 20+ yards plays (24th)
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I don't think this is particularly meaningful. Slater got hurt in game 3 and missed game 4 (along with game 17). In games 3-4, Herbert was playing through a high ankle sprain, and they were playing two very good defenses in PIT and KC. They were also the 3rd and 4th games for the team in the new offense, and RT Alt also missed game 4.

This year, without Slater, if others stay healthy, the Chargers have upgraded RG over what they had without Slater last season. They have upgraded their passing targets across the board. They have upgraded their RBs, particularly if Harris recovers.

Don't get me wrong, I think Slater was an All Pro caliber LT. Even if Alt can match his play at LT, which is possible, that just shifts the problem to RT, and that will be impactful. Pipkins has been an okay RT in the past (better than last year when he played RG). They will have to get by with him, assuming they don't decide to kick Becton out to one of the tackle spots.
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Move Alt over to the other side, Year 2, he's had a full season to learn and play RT, this is an excellent idea and then put the pressure on the RT side, at least Herbert can see it coming
Good Post
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Tau837 said:
Nick Vermeil said:
I expect @Tau837 to be in here shortly to explain to us why this is probably going to be ok.
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I don't know about that. I think there is a good argument that Slater is was the second most valuable player on the Chargers after Herbert.

That said, I think they can work around it if the rest of the key players on offense stay healthy. If this had to happen, better now than at any later point in the preseason/season.

It is also worth noting, there is no guarantee Slater will ever return to form. This might be the start of Alt as LT of the future. They have no choice but to play the hand they were dealt.

Scoresman said:
https://x.com/lordreebs/status/1953582338484625679?s=46&t=0bkdvEq6zVjsmxF42vkjRQ
A lot of moving parts here for 2025, but the Chargers ran 159 plays last season with Rashawn Slater off the field.

On those plays...

4.8 yards per play (would have ranked 27th)
37.9% success rate (29th)
3.2 YPC (32nd)
15.1% rate of 10+ yard plays (32nd)
5% rate of 20+ yards plays (24th)
Click to expand...

I don't think this is particularly meaningful. Slater got hurt in game 3 and missed game 4 (along with game 17). In games 3-4, Herbert was playing through a high ankle sprain, and they were playing two very good defenses in PIT and KC. They were also the 3rd and 4th games for the team in the new offense, and RT Alt also missed game 4.

This year, without Slater, if others stay healthy, the Chargers have upgraded RG over what they had without Slater last season. They have upgraded their passing targets across the board. They have upgraded their RBs, particularly if Harris recovers.

Don't get me wrong, I think Slater was an All Pro caliber LT. Even if Alt can match his play at LT, which is possible, that just shifts the problem to RT, and that will be impactful. Pipkins has been an okay RT in the past (better than last year when he played RG). They will have to get by with him, assuming they don't decide to kick Becton out to one of the tackle spots.
Click to expand...
Move Alt over to the other side, Year 2, he's had a full season to learn and play RT, this is an excellent idea and then put the pressure on the RT side, at least Herbert can see it coming
Good Post
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It’s already done. In fact he replaced him on the left side immediately in practice.
 
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