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There are no certainties. Not sure what you're wanting there. If Pace values one of these guys as a possible franchise guy, he better take him. I can't get myself to believe that he's waiting on the top 2 guys next year hoping the Bears win 3 games again.
You can pick Kizer, Watson or Trubisky and say you're right because there's at least on pro out there that thinks one of these guys is the best QB. That's what is making this year's QB draft class so hard.
Not downplaying their history. Just forget that idea. I'm saying it's meaningless now when the team isn't winning. The McCaskeys hang their hat on that ####, all while putting a terrible product on the field. Bears history is all they have. It's no excuse for the failure this franchise has become. Obviously, Bears history is important. The McCaskeys use it as a crutch and hope the fans look back to the history instead of what things have become.
Just an example. I've covered it in here before. Kizer has the most tools and experience to be able to succeed in the NFL. Nothing guarantees he or anyone else actually will.
I agree that the franchise sucks right now and they have hung their hat on what they did in the past. It's still important to remember that past though. You made a comment about how it's not much of a rivalry because the Packers have dominated them lately. Don't you think the Packers felt the same way back in the 90's when the Bears beat them 10 straight games, which is the longest streak in their series.
I'm 40. Started liking the Bears in '85 because of McMahon, and Ditka to a lesser degree. If I was going to give up on the Bears because of their failures, I would have long before now. It what irritates me so much about the McCaskeys. They know Bears fans aren't going anywhere. They lean on the history of the franchise. It hasn't been much of a rivalry for a long time. Sure, it was in the past.
Why isn't he an upgrade? What did Cutler do to make himself so beloved? Cutler is a 69-72 over his career. That's a lot of chances for not much result. It's never all the QBs fault, but many, many times in his career it really was his fault They ran him out of DEN. They ran him out of CHI. He is the modern day Jeff George. I don't put Cutler in the top 20. He has never been able to lead a team nor do the little things that mean a big difference in the end result.
The question is, will the QBs that are ranked 3rd or 4th overall next year be better than the best QB this year?
I've thought of that as well and it could work. I've also thought that they should use that first pick on a QB. I've also thought they should trade down and take a QB then. So, basically I've been on board with just about every idea at some point in the last couple months. I'm not sure which is the best option yet.
I had a long post to reply with but I deleted it. I'm not getting into the long Cutler discussion again. It was time for sides to part ways. Moving forward...
I can't see any scenario where they draft a qb in the 3rd or 4th after signing Glennon, and then potentially addressing the position again in the draft next year. It's either one or the other. Don't let the Dak and Wilson examples skew things. Franchise qbs almost never come from later rounds.
You and I appear to be the only two Bear fans to see this. I hope we are wrong and while I know Cutler lost a number of games for us, I also saw him win some for us. Glennon doesn't seem like he is going to win a game for us. He may not lose them for us either, but I don't see him making anywhere close to the throws that Cutler made (sometimes spectacularly, sometimes horribly).
I watched some of his tape in TB when Pace signed him and he looked ... not bad. I was fairly impressed considering he had such little experience in the league too.
I was thinking a WR in the first 4 rounds but I think it is very possible Pace just goes into next season hoping White is not a bust, along with Meredith, Wheaton, and Wright.
Pace puts his hopes in guys with an injury history too often and it's come back to bite him
That's what is being said. Even so, most experts are saying that none of this year's QBs is worth the third pick. So the question really is whether this year's 4th best QB (assuming one falls to the second round) is better than the 3rd or 4th next year? Also keep in mind that if more teams take a QB this year, the less competition we may have next year to get one.
White didn't have an injury history though. That was just terrible luck with a draft pick. It's hard to blame broken bones on anyone.
In my opinion there are not a lot. If fact I would say the quality of QBs in the NFL is pretty poor overall.
:XAfter spending last season as a backup QB for the Cowboys ... Mark Sanchez will visit the Bears on Thursday, source says.
exactly.
He's actually a great locker room guy - and he's now accepted the fact that his role would be a mentor/backup. It would not be a terrible signing assuming the contract is minimal.After spending last season as a backup QB for the Cowboys ... Mark Sanchez will visit the Bears on Thursday, source says.
Most to those guys you listed. Top 10 picks. You can say you would never take a qb at 3. Fine. You would most likely never find a top 10 qb either. Odds are against you from the beginning. The teams successful in the post-season consistently without a top 10 qb are almost nonexistent. All you have to do is look at the last decade or longer of Super Bowl winners. If you don't have a franchise guy, you're always fighting an uphill battle. It's worth the risk. None of the other positions are guarantees either.
Big Ben, Manning and Warner are uninspiring? Warner is already a Hall of Famer and the other two will be joining him shortly after they retire.
Chicago made it to the superbowl 10 years ago with a group of 3 QBs... who combined for a QB rating of 72.2
In fact, if you take out the "Franchise QBs" from that list (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Ryan, Cam, and let's add Peyton Manning) you are left with quite an uninspiring list for Qbs that got their teams to the superbowl:
Joe Flacco
Eli Manning
Big Ben
Kurt Warner
Colin Kaepernick
Chicago's 2007 QB Rotisserie
In fact, from the last 10 Super Bowls only 4 of those QBs were top 10 picks (Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton)
So I guess you need to hit it big to be a super bowl contender... but there are no guarantees this draft that any of these QBs are going to hit it big... I'd argue blowing a top 10 pick on a QB that doesn't work out hurts you more than trying to take one outside of the top 10
Yes, but are you saying White is injury prone because you said he needs to stop putting faith into injury prone guys?
No, you are correct, they are excellent QBs and likely HOFers. My main focus of that statement was the Chicago QBs, Flacco, Kaep, etc.
What point are you trying to make? Qbs keep being drafted in the top 10 for a reason.Dr. Brew said:
Chicago made it to the superbowl 10 years ago with a group of 3 QBs... who combined for a QB rating of 72.2
In fact, if you take out the "Franchise QBs" from that list (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Ryan, Cam, and let's add Peyton Manning) you are left with quite an uninspiring list for Qbs that got their teams to the superbowl:
Joe Flacco
Eli Manning
Big Ben
Kurt Warner
Colin Kaepernick
Chicago's 2007 QB Rotisserie
In fact, from the last 10 Super Bowls only 4 of those QBs were top 10 picks (Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton)
So I guess you need to hit it big to be a super bowl contender... but there are no guarantees this draft that any of these QBs are going to hit it big... I'd argue blowing a top 10 pick on a QB that doesn't work out hurts you more than trying to take one outside of the top 10
I don't think anyone is saying never draft a QB at 3, but just because you draft a guy in the top 10 does not mean he is a franchise QB. Most experts say this years crop doesn't have any franchise QBs and none are not worth a top 3 pick. I think I'd wait until next year to draft one, but if one of the top 4 fall to the second (which I doubt), I wouldn't be opposed to the pick.flapgreen said:
