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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (3 Viewers)
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I would rather NOT trade up, but if they can do it for a reasonable price, and they have a clear vision, I would be OK with carter, hunter, or (gulp) jeanty. I don't LIKE it, but I would give Ben Johnson the benefit of the doubt. I saw a mock draft that had us trading back with Cincinnati for the #17 pick and Trey Hendrickson. I would be OK with that, because I don't think the #10 pick is worth much more than #17, but I really struggle to see how they would pay Hendrickson.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
This is a prime draft to sit tight and take the BPA. The Bears aren't in a spot where they are 1 player away from a superbowl run. They also aren't super deficient at one particular spot. Add rotational-to-starter players in this draft with 10, 39, and 41 (primarily on both lines) and let's start building a dynasty!
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Ok, go time is tomorrow. What's everyone's prediction for number 10?
I'm going with Tyler Warren. Not my preferred position, but I believe he'll be the best player available.
I'm going with Tyler Warren. Not my preferred position, but I believe he'll be the best player available.
Kelvin Banks. I don't love it, but, if they have done their homework, I am OK with. I would almost prefer conerly, even at 10. My biggest hope is that they trade down.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
That's the kind of pick that scares me. A tweener guy who 'can play every position on the line, but we don't know where he'll play in the NFL '. Like you said, if we trade down a few picks, maybe.
I dunno though, everything I've read says he's an excellent pass blocker, so what do I know.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Damn, RIP Mongo. I know he suffered a long time. I hope he's finally at peace.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
RIP Mongo - rest easy now warrior 
3nOut
Footballguy
Too many things can happen so it’s hard to predict who the Bears take, but I hope they trade up for Carter.
Best case scenarios in round 1 in my opinion:
1. Trade up for Hunter
2. Trade up for Carter
3. Stay put, get Jeanty
4. Trade up for Jeanty but keep the 39 or 41.
Worst case scenarios:
1. Force an EDGE, if its not Carter, its not worth a top-10 pick.
2. Take a TE. I like both TEs, but Kmet is fine, and you can likely move down and still get 1 of them.
3. Trade up for Jeanty but deal both 2nds
4. Trade up for Jeanty and deal the 2026 1st
Middle of the pack scenarios:
1. Take McMillan, move DJ to slot.
2. Graham falls
3. Take an OL
4. Trade down
1. Trade up for Hunter
2. Trade up for Carter
3. Stay put, get Jeanty
4. Trade up for Jeanty but keep the 39 or 41.
Worst case scenarios:
1. Force an EDGE, if its not Carter, its not worth a top-10 pick.
2. Take a TE. I like both TEs, but Kmet is fine, and you can likely move down and still get 1 of them.
3. Trade up for Jeanty but deal both 2nds
4. Trade up for Jeanty and deal the 2026 1st
Middle of the pack scenarios:
1. Take McMillan, move DJ to slot.
2. Graham falls
3. Take an OL
4. Trade down
FairWarning
Footballguy
I would hate to see them trade both 2nds. This is their last chance to get top-tier talent cheap.
Vrabel will be waiting for your call and I hope he takes it.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Let's assume they stay at 10, since I think that's the most likely outcome.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
My preferences of realistic choices in order are as follows:
OT Campbell
OT Membou
CB Johnson
RB Jeanty
Trade down into the early 20s
I don't like the idea of trading up at all if it pulls from 39/41 or from future draft assets, nor do I like the idea of taking a TE at 10.
OT Campbell
OT Membou
CB Johnson
RB Jeanty
Trade down into the early 20s
I don't like the idea of trading up at all if it pulls from 39/41 or from future draft assets, nor do I like the idea of taking a TE at 10.
I'd gladly give up 10, 39 and 72.
Might be a minority opinion, but I want no part of Will Johnson unless they trade down like 10 picks. Way too many issues with his speed/health/scheme fit. I'd think for a Dennis Allen defense, Johnson would be behind Barron as a prospect.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Looking more and more like the top 3 picks are set so any scenario of the Bears moving up to get Carter is going to cost them BIG time.
Interestingly enough, a lot of teams in the top ten NOT looking for a QB are going BPA based on consensus rankings which have a small variance. It's the second and third rounds that are going to make or break teams. 39 and 41 might just be a make/ break for the Bears. I can live with BPA and trade down scenarios but hard pressed for any type of trade up. Trading up means they believe they are 1 player away from drastically increasing their chances to win many more division games but is this short term or long term?
Holding steady is a long term winning strategy. I think Jags or Raiders take Jeanty with a potential that the Cowboys try to move up.
Alas, who knows what the Bears are going to do. Please for the love of all these years of suffering, don't do anything foolish.
Interestingly enough, a lot of teams in the top ten NOT looking for a QB are going BPA based on consensus rankings which have a small variance. It's the second and third rounds that are going to make or break teams. 39 and 41 might just be a make/ break for the Bears. I can live with BPA and trade down scenarios but hard pressed for any type of trade up. Trading up means they believe they are 1 player away from drastically increasing their chances to win many more division games but is this short term or long term?
Holding steady is a long term winning strategy. I think Jags or Raiders take Jeanty with a potential that the Cowboys try to move up.
Alas, who knows what the Bears are going to do. Please for the love of all these years of suffering, don't do anything foolish.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I like the idea to keep stacking Oline. I like Banks. Dude is massive and only 21. Read he's moving up some boards though. Or just take value that slides. As much as I like Warren, I hate the idea of burning a top 10 for a TE. I mean get Fannin later if you really want a TE.
ZWK
Footballguy
The Bears trading up for Jeanty is a nightmare scenario for me. Running backs just aren't important enough to use the 10th & 41st picks (or similar) on one. 80 players make more money per year than the highest paid RB (Barkley), including 61 non-QBs.
Dream scenarios still involve a trade-down, or more than one. Maybe that means moving down to the late teens at a mediocre price, and then from there to the early 2nd at a great price with a team that's coming up for a QB.
Tetairoa McMillan or Mason Graham are still my favorite options if they stick at 10. Looking back at my post from a few weeks ago, I'm now lower on the CBs and higher on the OL options. I'm worried about Will Johnson's athleticism, given his choice not to run the 40 and his poor testing at the drills he did do. Barron has fallen a bit on consensus boards, and extending Kyler Gordon makes it a bigger concern that they both might be best suited to the slot (Barron because of his lack of size). The top 3 offensive linemen at least have a strong BPA case, treating your 6th man at OL like a highly valued starter isn't that crazy, and getting a good tackle could at least let the team save a bunch of money instead of paying up for Jones & Wright.
Dream scenarios still involve a trade-down, or more than one. Maybe that means moving down to the late teens at a mediocre price, and then from there to the early 2nd at a great price with a team that's coming up for a QB.
Tetairoa McMillan or Mason Graham are still my favorite options if they stick at 10. Looking back at my post from a few weeks ago, I'm now lower on the CBs and higher on the OL options. I'm worried about Will Johnson's athleticism, given his choice not to run the 40 and his poor testing at the drills he did do. Barron has fallen a bit on consensus boards, and extending Kyler Gordon makes it a bigger concern that they both might be best suited to the slot (Barron because of his lack of size). The top 3 offensive linemen at least have a strong BPA case, treating your 6th man at OL like a highly valued starter isn't that crazy, and getting a good tackle could at least let the team save a bunch of money instead of paying up for Jones & Wright.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I honestly think the Jags were throwing out the rumors about their interest in Jeanty to get some one to trade up. Could be Chicago. Could be Dallas. Maybe even Denver, but I suspect that's much farther down than Jax wants to move.
I'm trying to give the new coach the benefit of the doubt, but, if they trade up for Jeanty, I don't love the process, irrespective of the results. The Bears, and Poles specifically, need to start living the idea of building through the draft. More chances at good players is what they need, not fewer chances. Almost nobody is good enough at evaluation to consolidate risk like that, certainly not Poles.
Max Power
Footballguy
10 and 41 for 5 and 107 isn't a terrible deal if they think there is a drop off after the top 5 talent.
Is that the trade being proposed? I like the idea of getting 107 - that cushions the blow from losing 41, but I do still think the process is flawed. Jeanty would have to be unrealistically good to make this make sense. When was the last time a team traded into the top 5 for a runningback?
Max Power
Footballguy
Arguably RB1 is the biggest hole in the offense. I don't like Hampton at 10, but thats an option. I'm almost scared to see who's left at 39/41. Kaleb and judkins are decent there, but if those two are gone, I don't like round 3 options personally.
Max Power
Footballguy
Its what the Chat Sports Bears guy is reporting. Gets the Bears a pick in the 4th again, so it's not a massive gap between 3 and 5 now.
I think I'd do that deal if that's all it takes.
I know RBs have lost value over the years, but he's still a blue chip guy vs whoever is left at 10.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Should stay away from Hendrickson. He's at that age where pass rushers start to decline and you'll have to give him a new deal.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Im trying to understand the necessity to add Jeanty after the team signed Swift for 3 years and he still has a few good years in the tank. If it's to add the next gen star then I would think Swift is tradable. Swift was good not great last year but as we know, so many factors contributed to the average year. I would like to see what he could do behind a better OL and what we hope will be a step up in QB play. Is Jeanty really worth moving up to grab? I understand the talent but isn't this the status quo Bear's strategy - defense and running game? Just trying to will a change in strategy but if there are only decent backs in the draft after the top 3 or 4 - do we need to see the Bears take the future starter now or a solid compliment to Swift? Like your perspectives for sure. I have seen so many opinions from many respectable outlets that the Bears are in a catalyst big move position. Very interesting
This feels a little bit like convincing an addict that it makes sense to just have ONE drink. I named my son after Walter Payton, and I think running the ball is the soul of the game, so the idea of Jeanty DOES excite me, even though I think the process is wrong. Sigh. Damn. I'm watching the underdog fantasy breakdown of Jeanty right now and, yep....................I guess I'm in. Pour me a tall glass of Jeanty...................
calcinorjones
Footballguy
It's the new deal that scares me away. If he has so much value - why is Cincy eager to part ways with him when defense is probably a liability? I think you are correct
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'd do that deal right now. That's a great deal.
Max Power
Footballguy
I don't know how true, but rumor is Ben Johnson doesn't like Swift. Anyone know how much overlap they had in Detroit?
Swift did seem like a guy who missed the easy gain for a big play. I like him at fringe RB1, and think even a Judkins/Swift backfield would be pretty darn good.
Bottom line is I'm confused on the direction of this draft, but heck if I don't trust Johnson to tell Poles who he wants.
I like Jeanty and Warren from the gameplan aspect. I like OL or DL because I believe games are won up front. I can even get behind a DB because of long term roster management.
No idea how tonight will break. I think its 40% I like or love the pick, 40% I understand the pick and 20% WTF.
Max Power
Footballguy
Kind of makes sense for Jax too.
Please no WTF picks.......Shea Mclellin has forever scarred me. There are a dozen guys I would be happy with, for real. Please no underathletic tweeners from small schools to play a non-featured position in the Bears defense. It would be very tough to ruin this night the way that draft was ruined, but if anyone can do it, the bears can.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree, tough age for a top contract at his position. This is why I am glad Detroit did not go all in on an aging DE like some have wanted.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
I think that Poles has to shine here. He owns the mess of 2024. Doesn't mean that he is not partnering with Johnson. Far from it.
In looking at the picks after 39 (41 and 72), Poles has to be assured by this coaching staff that players in target are solid character guys that can be developed at the NFL level. Players that do not fit this mold don't need to be on the bus.
If Johnson and Swift are not going to be compatible and struggle to partner, we don't need to go through the season with Swift on the bus. This will alter tonight's approach. I am drawing the assumption that Poles knew of potential conflict with Johnson and Swift when making the decision to give Johnson the HC position. Maybe Johnson had conditions like Swift has to go before mini-camp or we go into a room and iron this out. If Swift is on the block, Bears will be able to get some draft capital tonight but they are going to be giving up quality draft capital to move up for Jeanty and hopefully another team like Dallas doesn't force the Bears into a bidding war that benefits someone in the top 5.
Additionally, the Bears lose the veteran presence and will have a rookie RB and second year QB going into 2025 with another patched up OL.
Well buckle up fellas, it's going to be a ride.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Gotta think one, if not both, of the OSU backs will be there in the second for them. Maybe not? I'm hoping they just let the draft come to them and not get crazy. Would be really disappointed if they burn a top 10 on a TE though.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
If the Bears don't trade up to get him...
With the 10th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Tyler Warren, TE Penn State
They can give Williams a great weapon at TE and we saw what Johnson did with La Porta in Detroit
This one seems easy
With the 10th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Tyler Warren, TE Penn State
They can give Williams a great weapon at TE and we saw what Johnson did with La Porta in Detroit
This one seems easy
FairWarning
Footballguy
You're asking for A LOT.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
I know - its the Bears
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I will start breaking things if that happens, and I like Warren, just not at 10. TE inflation.
Lions got Gibbs at 12 and LaPorta at 34. Fannin Jr. comps to LaPorta if the Bears really feel the need for TE.
Paying a top 10 for a TE seems insane. It's recency bias on Bowers going 13 and being a stud. I don't think Warren or Loveland are close to Bowers in talent. I think it would be a huge blunder for the Bears to get caught up in TE FOMO. LaPorta was nice for Johnson and the Lions, but Gibbs is way more valuable.
In the past 25 years, top 10 TE's have included TJ Hockenson (8), Pitts (4), Winslow Jr. (6), Vernon Davis (6). Huge whiff potential.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
I agree - ten is probably too much but a slide down with some capital coming back might work
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Bears probably staying at ten unless someone wants move up
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Son of a *****. So much for hoping Jeanty falls.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Ok, just trade down at this point. This is my nightmare so far. I'm almost positive my TE prediction is going to come to pass.
calcinorjones
Footballguy
Maybe Banks slides unless they want one of the top 2 WRs
massraider
Footballguy
BPA probably
