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Chris Ivory (1 Viewer)

C-Bound said:
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Onto bigger and better things..... I think Ivory is gonna crush it this week and with Powell looking like he is out, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 3-5 receptions as well. it's a little annoying that yahoo isn't showing Ivory the respect he deserves in projections (14 points in 0.5 PPR). Seems like he should be around 16-19 based on his three healthy games with full workloads (20+ touches).
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My concern would be that Belichick usually game plans to try and take the opposing team's best player out of the game so I can see the Pats plan to load the box and I have been somewhat impressed by Fitzpatrick this year and Marshall and Decker have shown this year and in the past that they have the ability to consistently get open against 1 on 1 coverage. I think Fitzpatrick has shown that he has the ability to take advantage of single coverage which is what would happen if the Pats consistently put 8 in the box to stop the run.
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I'm not a Jets fan and honestly have not watched an entire Jets game but from what I've seen, I've been somewhat impressed with Fitzpatrick's ability to find Marshall and Decker. If the Pats played 8 in the box and left the WRs in single coverage, I think Fitz has shown that he will be able to hit the WRs.

Both Marshall and Decker have the skillset to go deep and I think the Jets like their chances with either of them 1 on 1 deep. Thus, I don't see the Pats stacking the box as much as some have suggested.

Despite thinking that Ivory will have better numbers than most this week, I still can't find a way to play him and have him on my bench in a 2 RB + 1 Flex setup but only due to having taken AP #1, Foster in the mid rounds and D. Freeman late.
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With the way Ivory has been playing (RB4, 20.6PPG even though he played with one leg vs. IND and put up 8 points), I would think long and hard before sitting him in favor of AP (16PPG) or Foster (16.5PPG). Name value aside, if Ivory were to somehow remain healthy on his 25 touches per game this year he would be put up elite numbers by years end.
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I am in same boat as I have the fortunate decision between ivory and Mccoy this week.Seems Bills dont have many passing options and will want to pound the rock.

I am worried as mentioned that Bellicheat will scheme against the run and make Fitx beat them. Butley has shown he can play good man coverage.....
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I havr to decide between Ivory and McCoy ad well in PPR. I have Ivory in right now but am wavering. My fear is the Jets get behind early and put in Powell/Stacy in passing situations limiting Ivory's touches.
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Ironically I am choosing between Lewis and Ivory so I'm sure I'll be watching the "other guy" rack it up Sunday.
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I'm starting both due to Forte's bye, but going forward I think Ivory has reached must-start status, certainly over Lewis (non-PPR league).

 
Mangold continuing to get dinged up is worrying me though. Ivory seems to have been existing purely on TDs for a few weeks now. That's great if it continues, but I'm mildly concerned that the Jets running game has faltered slightly of late. Either way, he's a lock for me every week

 
Averaging 1.5 YPC over the last 55 carries. That can't all be on the offensive line. I am worried about his health but the Jets don't seem to be too concerned about giving him a heavy workload so, I agree, there is no way you can bench the guy.

 
Chaka said:
Averaging 1.5 YPC over the last 55 carries. That can't all be on the offensive line. I am worried about his health but the Jets don't seem to be too concerned about giving him a heavy workload so, I agree, there is no way you can bench the guy.
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I think that since the Pats game his hamstring just hasn't been right. He hasn't had the explosiveness he had earlier in the season since getting taken down awkwardly early in that game and leaving for a bit.

 
Chaka said:
Averaging 1.5 YPC over the last 55 carries. That can't all be on the offensive line. I am worried about his health but the Jets don't seem to be too concerned about giving him a heavy workload so, I agree, there is no way you can bench the guy.
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It's a combination of the OL, a lingering lower body injury and teams completely selling out to stop the run IMO.

I think the lack of Mangold has been the biggest problem however. I'm going to assume no other RB has been tackled for a loss more than Ivory has in his last three games. It seems like he's always getting hit behind the LoS now and since he's essentially the opposite of shifty the affect on his YPC has been more pronounced.

 
SameSongNDance said:
Chaka said:
Averaging 1.5 YPC over the last 55 carries. That can't all be on the offensive line. I am worried about his health but the Jets don't seem to be too concerned about giving him a heavy workload so, I agree, there is no way you can bench the guy.
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It's a combination of the OL, a lingering lower body injury and teams completely selling out to stop the run IMO.

I think the lack of Mangold has been the biggest problem however. I'm going to assume no other RB has been tackled for a loss more than Ivory has in his last three games. It seems like he's always getting hit behind the LoS now and since he's essentially the opposite of shifty the affect on his YPC has been more pronounced.
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This...And in order of magnitude, I'd say it's the selling out to stop the run, then the OL play, then the injury. I'm not buying that the injury is that bad. If it was, we'd see more of other RB's when games were out of reach. It's pretty clear that the Jets' passing attack isn't scary. It's not bad, but it's not scary, especially with Geno at the helm. Until they prove that they can make teams pay for stacking the box, Ivory is going to face a lot of 8 man fronts.

 
Willie Colon was also inactive, not sure how he grades out at run blocking, but he was the starter. Hopefully Mangold and Colon are active Thursday, giving Ivory some more creases to run through. He is getting blown up behind the line way too much.

 
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Fat Nick said:
SameSongNDance said:
Chaka said:
Averaging 1.5 YPC over the last 55 carries. That can't all be on the offensive line. I am worried about his health but the Jets don't seem to be too concerned about giving him a heavy workload so, I agree, there is no way you can bench the guy.
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It's a combination of the OL, a lingering lower body injury and teams completely selling out to stop the run IMO.

I think the lack of Mangold has been the biggest problem however. I'm going to assume no other RB has been tackled for a loss more than Ivory has in his last three games. It seems like he's always getting hit behind the LoS now and since he's essentially the opposite of shifty the affect on his YPC has been more pronounced.
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This...And in order of magnitude, I'd say it's the selling out to stop the run, then the OL play, then the injury. I'm not buying that the injury is that bad. If it was, we'd see more of other RB's when games were out of reach. It's pretty clear that the Jets' passing attack isn't scary. It's not bad, but it's not scary, especially with Geno at the helm. Until they prove that they can make teams pay for stacking the box, Ivory is going to face a lot of 8 man fronts.
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Geno has only played in one game - and Fitzpatrick is averaging over 250 passing yards and two touchdowns per game. That would be making teams pay for stacking the box.

 
Last week, Chris Ivory was just the 11th player ever to have fewer than 30 rushing yards on 20 or more carries. His 26 yards on the ground were the fewest in league history for a player with 23 or more attempts.
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I just watched all of those touches and it was an extremely painful experience. I believe all of what I stated in my last post (poor OL play, teams stacking the box, lingering injury) was evident. The OL missed assignments, Ivory wasn't breaking any tackles and on more than one occasion he faced 9 defenders in the box where he simply stood no chance. I think this article does a really good job of highlighting all of this. Consider me worried.

 
Kinda knew I should sell this guy high, but it's hard to do that in dynasty where everyone is concerned about his injuries and age.

 
ahartig said:
I dunno guys, Mangold is back and the more I read the more it sounded like Colon was a liability in the run game:

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2015/11/4/9670580/oakland-raiders-week-8-run-defense-2-denico-autry-v-willie-colon

After the bills, the schedule softens up quite a bit too:

Hou

Miami

NYG

Ten

Dallas

NE
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I don't consider BUF to be a bad match-up. Over the past 3 weeks they've given up the 6th most points to RBs in PPR (28.7 PPG). There isn't one performance that's heavily skewing that statistic either as all of Gio (8/50/1), Yeldon (20/115/1) and Miller (12/44/2) and to a lesser extent Hill/Ajayi have had success on the ground. Add to the fact that Powell is once again doubtful and it's hard for me to dislike the combination of utilization and match-up for Ivory this week.

 
He has a very soft schedule against the run second half of the year. People are over-thinking this.

 
renesauz said:
He has a very soft schedule against the run second half of the year. People are over-thinking this.
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I dare you to rewatch his snaps over the past 3 weeks and tell me if people are overthinking this. He's made TRich look like Barry Sanders in that time span. It's like an all-22 horror flick.

 
Chaka said:
Averaging 1.5 YPC over the last 55 carries. That can't all be on the offensive line. I am worried about his health but the Jets don't seem to be too concerned about giving him a heavy workload so, I agree, there is no way you can bench the guy.
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Agreed, but given how he doesn't catch a lot of balls and is somewhat TD-dependent lately, I keep holding my breath, praying that that week where he runs for 31 yards with no scores and no catches doesn't happen. :shock:

 
Ghost Rider said:
Chaka said:
Averaging 1.5 YPC over the last 55 carries. That can't all be on the offensive line. I am worried about his health but the Jets don't seem to be too concerned about giving him a heavy workload so, I agree, there is no way you can bench the guy.
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Agreed, but given how he doesn't catch a lot of balls and is somewhat TD-dependent lately, I keep holding my breath, praying that that week where he runs for 31 yards with no scores and no catches doesn't happen. :shock:
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That week pretty much happened against the Raiders. I guess 3 catches means something but 41 total yards and 0 TDs was pretty much a nightmare week in my book.

 
The problem for Ivory this week is going to be that RBs have done a large part of their damage to the Bills by either catching screen passes or by LBers missing tackles at the second level. I'm not sure that Ivory/the Jets are going to be all that good at doing either one of those things. Ivory wasn't really busting off huge runs, he was gaining nice 4 and 5 yard chunks against defenses. With Marcel Dareus, those types of runs don't happen a ton.

I'm going with James Starks over Ivory this week.

 
ALso Starting Ivory over Mccoy more because Mccoy has WIllima there to steal touches wheread Ivory I think gets the volume and Bills more susceptible to the run

 
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Magic_Man said:
Anyone able to trade Ivory away? I can't get any bites
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Generally when you try to move a player when he's not performing any longer, no one is interested.
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There's one in every crowd...I would not call 2 TDs in a game not performing in FF...
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He has not run well during the last 3 games. Yes he did score twice against Jacksonville but did not look good otherwise. There's a reason why you're suddenly looking to move him correct?

I watch him every week and it's obvious when his season went downhill. He was thrown down awkwardly in the first series against NE and he hasn't looked the same since. He had no burst at all in the rest of that game and left a lot of yards on the field.

Since then the team lost Mangold and Colon (who isn't very good anymore, but Winters is even worse) and it's been made all that much worse because he's getting hit in the backfield and without his burst and power he's not going anywhere.

Getting Mangold back should help a little (assuming he can play the whole game unlike last week where he cam back but left early in the game) - but what may be a blessing is the 10 days he gets off until the next game. Maybe he'll heal up. Ideally they'd sit him this week and get him healthy, and frankly between Stacy and Ridley I think they'd be ok, but the team hasn't even really acknowledge that he's banged up, other than him having limited practices here and there.

 
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There's no way I'm trading Ivory.

Look at this schedule:

@HOU

MIA

@NYG

TN

@DAL

NE

TN statistically has a tough run D, but he's guaranteed volume.

I'd even say the same for the NE game which is always a dogfight in the meadowlands.

I say they work it out on the offensive line.

 
I can't sit Ivory, I don't even remotely have that kind of depth. Barring injury I still expect him to be productive from a fantasy stand point just not high-end RB1 productive like he was earlier in the year. Volume alone ensures that he's at worst a RB2.

 
I am benching him tonight, which means this will probably blow up in my face. I have depth and can afford to do this, but I'll be watching and praying he doesn't blow up.

 
He actually looked good early and then they just stopped really using him. Fitzpatrick has been way off so the offense really hasn't stayed on the field.

 
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He actually looked good early and then they just stopped really using him. Fitzpatrick has been way off so the offense really hasn't stayed on the field.
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It was that one drive where he had the long screen and a coupe good runs. Other than that he's been bottled up.

 
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