Chris Johnson in the 5th Round? (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

Do you see any benefits or disadvantages to him on a new team?

 

[Bri]

I just don't understand why people would be down on CJ for a 5th round price tag. Provided he stays on the field, you should definitely get value for him and there's no reason to believe he will get injured.

While last years numbers are anomalous, he really has to provide Ridley or Mendenhall numbers from last year to earn his draft position in standard scoring (DWill numbers in PPR). Can anyone really say that it's not extremely likely he outperforms those kind of pedestrian numbers?

Ivory fans.

CJ struggles til he breaks one. It's will the Jets stick with him or will they give him enough carries to get going etc.

 

[Chaka]

Follow the money, it's not that hard to see who is going to be the bell cow in this offense.

 

[chickensoup]

I just don't understand why people would be down on CJ for a 5th round price tag. Provided he stays on the field, you should definitely get value for him and there's no reason to believe he will get injured.

While last years numbers are anomalous, he really has to provide Ridley or Mendenhall numbers from last year to earn his draft position in standard scoring (DWill numbers in PPR). Can anyone really say that it's not extremely likely he outperforms those kind of pedestrian numbers?

Ivory fans.CJ struggles til he breaks one. It's will the Jets stick with him or will they give him enough carries to get going etc.

My point is that this is all built into his price. If he was with the Titans he would be a second rounder. Going to a new team which is roughly equal to your previous in situation and O-Line to compete with ivory isn't a 3 round drop. The guys surrounding CJ in ADP have way bigger concerns, including can they actually produce numbers. CJ can, because he has

 

[Chaka]

I just don't understand why people would be down on CJ for a 5th round price tag. Provided he stays on the field, you should definitely get value for him and there's no reason to believe he will get injured.

While last years numbers are anomalous, he really has to provide Ridley or Mendenhall numbers from last year to earn his draft position in standard scoring (DWill numbers in PPR). Can anyone really say that it's not extremely likely he outperforms those kind of pedestrian numbers?

Ivory fans.CJ struggles til he breaks one. It's will the Jets stick with him or will they give him enough carries to get going etc.

My point is that this is all built into his price. If he was with the Titans he would be a second rounder. Going to a new team which is roughly equal to your previous in situation and O-Line to compete with ivory isn't a 3 round drop. The guys surrounding CJ in ADP have way bigger concerns, including can they actually produce numbers. CJ can, because he has

I agree that the drop seems too big. CJ wasn't brought in to compete with Ivory, he was brought in (and paid $4 mil/year) to start. There is no RB competition.

 

[bostonfred]

Do you see any benefits or disadvantages to him on a new team?

The Jets O line isn't as good as the Titans' O line was at the end of last year, but at the start of last year the Titans had a bunch of new faces without much experience playing against a tough schedule. I don't think he'll get as much O line help as he did the second half of last year when he was reeling off top 5 numbers, but he also won't be injured, so it may be a wash.After starting out with 76, 90 and 96 yards against the Steelers, Texans and Chargers, Johnson had back to back to back games against the Jets, KC, Seattle and San Fran. He had 46 carries for 110 yards in those four games combined. After the bye, he reeled off 23/150/2 - against the Rams, who are no slouch on defense. So I suppose it's good news that he won't be playing against the Jets (obviously) or the NFC West this year.

He'll be playing with a mobile QB, which is a plus because it opens up running lanes when teams have to contain the QB.

He's the best player on an offense with one good receiver and a bad QB. There's not much difference there. But the Jets are a better defense, so that's a minor upgrade.

Johnson had 60.3% of the carries for the titans last year with 279 of their 462 attempts. The previous years he has 276 and 262 rush attempts. He had 57, 36 and most recently, 42 receptions in that span. The jets have had more attempts over the past three years as a team, with 443, 494 and most recently 493. If that holds true he could get a smaller percentage of the carries and still get more than he did in tennessee.

If they do reduce his carries, they certainly wont take the third and longs away from him and leave him with the first and goal on the 1s. So a reduction in carries could actually lead to a higher yards per carry. That, and a healthy meniscus.

Overall, there's reason to believe that his carries will stay relatively the same and his efficiency will increase. There's also every reason to believe that he will be the primary receiving back in an offense that desperately needs guys who can catch the ball.

Unless his carries are dramatically reduced, his team change should be at least neutral and possibly an upgrade. It seems like the 5th round price tag is overestimating the chances of a big drop in carries.

 

[Ilov80s]

CJ, SJax and MJD are interesting in that they were all recent top end RBs that are still in their athletic prime, are likely to see a significant workload, but can be had pretty cheaply. One of them is likely to have a really good fantasy season, not sure which one though.

 

[pantherclub]

CJ, SJax and MJD are interesting in that they were all recent top end RBs that are still in their athletic prime, are likely to see a significant workload, but can be had pretty cheaply. One of them is likely to have a really good fantasy season, not sure which one though.

you are way off here about mjd and sjax. They both are busted up and far away from their top end production. Sjax more so than mjd but both IMO have seen their fantasy days go bye bye.

 

[Ilov80s]

CJ, SJax and MJD are interesting in that they were all recent top end RBs that are still in their athletic prime, are likely to see a significant workload, but can be had pretty cheaply. One of them is likely to have a really good fantasy season, not sure which one though.

you are way off here about mjd and sjax. They both are busted up and far away from their top end production. Sjax more so than mjd but both IMO have seen their fantasy days go bye bye.

I can totally see the argument for both being busted. MJD is going so late, I still think he is worth the risk. I don't think Jackson was that bad last year considering he battled an injury (which is always a knock on him) and the Falcons offense was completely centered around a 37 year old tight end. With White and Jones back, I think Jackson could do well and see a lot of TD opportunities. He had a bad stretch around the injury (week 3-11). However, he seemed to have gotten close to 100% after week 11 (about the same time Roddy White was finally healed enough to perform adequately) and performed well. In those 7 games, he put (standard scoring) 12, 13, 20, 8, 16, 10, 9. I believe during the last 6 games of the season, he was RB12. I would not write SJax off.

 

[monk]

The biggest overlooked plus for Chris Johnson is his remarkable durability. He's suited up and played 80 games in a row -- that's ridiculous for any RB, much less one < 200 pounds. Nobody is immune to major injury, obviously, but Johnson will play through the bumps, bruises, and strains which sideline many RBs for a game or two every year.

This is very easy to explain ... The man is afraid of contact and will not even attempt to break tackles hence no bumps and bruises

 

[Chaka]

The biggest overlooked plus for Chris Johnson is his remarkable durability. He's suited up and played 80 games in a row -- that's ridiculous for any RB, much less one < 200 pounds. Nobody is immune to major injury, obviously, but Johnson will play through the bumps, bruises, and strains which sideline many RBs for a game or two every year.

This is very easy to explain ... The man is afraid of contact and will not even attempt to break tackles hence no bumps and bruises

 

[Bri]

The biggest overlooked plus for Chris Johnson is his remarkable durability. He's suited up and played 80 games in a row -- that's ridiculous for any RB, much less one < 200 pounds. Nobody is immune to major injury, obviously, but Johnson will play through the bumps, bruises, and strains which sideline many RBs for a game or two every year.

This is very easy to explain ... The man is afraid of contact and will not even attempt to break tackles hence no bumps and bruises

He and or his body and or luck....he's been durable.

I'm not sure if this was sarcasm, but I will say I've been frustrated with CJ over the years for giving up. See he's a guy that runs into a brick wall too often, so when I saw him bust through some I thought he might break free. He'll get 2-3 yards and have a defender annoying him(not legs wrapped up, just really want to call it an annoyance) and he'll go down. Watching I've often been confused like he did the hard part and caved at the worst moment. He has done well staying healthy and playing to play another play and maybe this is why. He is possibly the best today and the best ever at taking off once he gets some daylight outside, but at the same time I will say I think there's 31 other backs that shed contact better than him each year.

Personally, I thought he became a much improved hard nosed runner last year than any previous year. He certainly became a better runner. The Titans line has often been a very good line, even one of the best when he was there. The year before last, it was terrible. I felt like he learned some tough running skills that year, when I watched him last year. He had some fight to him that he didn't have previous years.

I was curious of him in a Titan uniform for another year. The last time the Titans had a good OC, CJ did great.

His arrogance is yuck.

He is the biggest tease I have ever rooted for and I promise every Jet fan will know this feeling with the first two weeks.

He's different, very different than any other back to play the game. I think it's him picking his spots. It's definitely not Randy Moss taking plays off yet at the same time there's plays where you get frustrated and feel like "what was that?"

I follow the Titans and am not the least bit upset he's gone. I feel like I should be missing some darling player and all, but I'll tell ya he is something else to watch week in week out. I don't see a lot of threads on MBs with fans upset either. It's very odd for a player to put up such gaudy stats and at the same time fans aren't blinking at his departure.

I grew up with Jets fans and they're extreme, in general. I can't wait to read the game threads here. He will be both terrible and the fastest ever, I can almost guarantee it. It'll be fascinating watching him tease them.

 

[need2know]

I have been looking at cj as a pretty good mid round rb2 to get in redrafts this season but I was a little shocked to see silva from rotoworld rank him 88th overall in his july rankings. I tend to agree with him most of the time, but to me cj is a 4th or 5th round pick. Not a mid 7th.

 

[Insein]

The case can be made if people think Ivory is a legitimate threat to CJs touches. I dont think he is due to health and for what the Jets paid him to come there for.

CJ last year had 8 games with 20+ touches and 8 games with less than 20 touches. In the 8 with 20+, he averaged 105.5 total yds per game. In the other 8, 72.2 total yds per game.

The guy needs to be fed. I think the Jets will feed him till the wheels fall off.

 

[bostonfred]

(FFChamps)Injury-prone Jets running back Chris Ivory is already sitting out drills with a hamstring problem.

Analysis: Ivory dealt with a hamstring injury last season and despite his talent we want no part of him this season. Chris Johnson is the No. 1 and Ivory a clear No. 2, when healthy. The Jets also have Bilal Powell and Daryl Richardson in the backfield.

(RotoWire)Ivory is dealing with a sore hamstring, though Rex Ryan downplayed the injury, according to Brian Costello of the New York Post.

Analysis: We'll take the coach at his word for now, but we'll feel better if Ivory is back at full throttle in short order.

(KFFL)New York Jets RB Chris Ivory (hamstring) is dealing with a hamstring issue, according to head coach Rex Ryan. Ivory did not participate in team drills Thursday, July 24.

(Rotoworld)Chris Ivory sat out team drills Thursday with a "little bit" of a hamstring injury.

Analysis: We don't normally post minor training camp injuries, but it's notable whenever Ivory's troublesome hamstring flares up. It's just a reminder that even if Ivory runs circles around Chris Johnson in camp, he can't be trusted as anything more than an RB3/4 for fantasy purposes.

Interesting how the same piece of minor injury news gets reported by the different sites.

 

[Leonidas]

He was top ten last year.

I think this is worth repeating. A lot of people don't seem to be understanding this fact. (not just here, but everywhere)

When I took him as my RB2 in a big crap-talking league last year everybody laughed and called him cj0k.

Then won more games than anybody else.

Those same people are writing him off as like RB30 again this year and tell me my mock wasn't very good when I have him as my RB2.

When will people learn?

What round did you get him in?

In the league from last year I referenced I took CJ 2.09 (12 team standard) as my RB2. Unfortunately I took Doug Martin 1.04. But I pulled a trick or two, finished the regular season 1st, then had playoff problems (*cough*Stafford*cough* among others) and only finished 3rd in the end.

No it's not. He's been pretty mediocre/terrible in about 75% of his games the last 2 seasons. He's by far the most feast or famine RB in fantasy. And yea taking 2 games away out of 16 is very fair. When u avg 3.75 ypc in 14/16 games, that's bad. That's very bad. You can all ride those 2-3 insane games he has and ill concentrate on the other 10-12 mediocre atrocities he throws out there.

Weeks 1-6 were rough last year, but he was the 5th highest RB in point scored for weeks 7-17, and had 15+ points in six of those games.

Precisely. And we ALL knew it would be a rough start simply by looking at the schedule + CJ almost always starts slow and then picks up the pace a week or two into October.

 

[bostonfred]

(KFFL)New York Jets RB Chris Johnson was put in motion and flexed out wide a lot in practice Thursday, July 24.

Loving this. This is how he should be used. He is their best back and their second best receiver, and probably their best player in space.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

the hammy injury to Ivory I think gives CJ a clear avenue to display his talents in preseason. the 5th round ADP is a bargain I think right now. too bad I'm not drafting my redraft until late August. probably be a 3rd round ADP by then.

 

[need2know]

the hammy injury to Ivory I think gives CJ a clear avenue to display his talents in preseason. the 5th round ADP is a bargain I think right now. too bad I'm not drafting my redraft until late August. probably be a 3rd round ADP by then.

Might end up having to reach and take him in the third to make sure you get him if you want him. If there are no wrs I like in the third that sounds ok to me

 

[Da Gildz]

the hammy injury to Ivory I think gives CJ a clear avenue to display his talents in preseason. the 5th round ADP is a bargain I think right now. too bad I'm not drafting my redraft until late August. probably be a 3rd round ADP by then.

Oh my.

 

[need2know]

I have been looking at cj as a pretty good mid round rb2 to get in redrafts this season but I was a little shocked to see silva from rotoworld rank him 88th overall in his july rankings. I tend to agree with him most of the time, but to me cj is a 4th or 5th round pick. Not a mid 7th.

Silva just dropped him to 105. I can understand being down on him but he has him going after guys like p. Thomas, sjax, fjax, ray rice. Thats pretty ridiculous

 

[Insein]

God I hope people are still down on him by end of August. Getting him in the 4th with a stud WR combo in the 2/3 would be a steal.

 

[LawFitz]

Anyone concerned about the offseason stem-cell treatment?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

CJ, SJax and MJD are interesting in that they were all recent top end RBs that are still in their athletic prime, are likely to see a significant workload, but can be had pretty cheaply. One of them is likely to have a really good fantasy season, not sure which one though.

you are way off here about mjd and sjax. They both are busted up and far away from their top end production. Sjax more so than mjd but both IMO have seen their fantasy days go bye bye.

Until they are actually done, there's no way you can say they are so matter-of-factly.

 

[bostonfred]

Anyone concerned about the offseason stem-cell treatment?

I wasn't terribly concerned about the meniscus injury since he put in a top season with it and got stronger as the year went on. why would I be more concerned about him getting stem cell treatment? If I understand stem cell treatment correctly, it basically means that they use some kind of magic and adrian peterson has a better season after his acl injury than before it.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I'd like 4th round or later steals at RB for $400 Alex.

"This man has avg 1,200 rush yds a season as well as 45 catches a year while maintaing a 4.6 ypc avg his 1st 6 seasons in the league."

Who is Chris Johnson?

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Chris Johnson - RB - Jets

Chris Johnson participated Saturday in his first live full-contact action since offseason knee surgery.

Johnson ran with the starters for a few drives in Saturday's intrasquad scrimmage, rushing five times for 14 yards. The knee that he insists crippled him while with Tennessee last season is no longer a concern. Still, we're not on a 29-year-old (in September) back who doesn't break tackles and won't get goal-line work.

Source: New York Daily News Aug 3 - 9:47 AM

 

[Reaper]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 3s
Chris Johnson's 5th-round ADP is crazy, imo. NYJ O-Line worse than TEN's, and will lose a ton of carries. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Insein]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 3s
Chris Johnson's 5th-round ADP is crazy, imo. NYJ O-Line worse than TEN's, and will lose a ton of carries. Doesn't make sense.

So he thinks it should be worse than that? Who else does he think is available.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 3s
Chris Johnson's 5th-round ADP is crazy, imo. NYJ O-Line worse than TEN's, and will lose a ton of carries. Doesn't make sense.

So he thinks it should be worse than that? Who else does he think is available.

It sounds so caddie when we rip on writers but Silva is a guy wanting to be someone and I just disagree with a lot of his takes. I would be disappointed if he were an FBG writer.

It doesn't get much better at RB in the 5th than someone like a Chris Johnson. There's a cliff at RB and finally we are getting a decent price on this guy. Start mining into the 7th and 8th round, just not much to get excited about.

 

[mrnick33]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

Pagano wants Richardson to be the guy so badly there. He went to TRich and made him sit out beginning of camp because he didn't think he was quite ready and said to TRich that he had nothing to prove right now.

That tells all you need to know for the moment. I know Richardson has been a bust but they are going to keep feeding him until he runs his way off the team or turns in a Pro Bowl season.

When you look at the list of the guys in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, I come up with CJ, Rice, TRich, perhaps Ridley but it's a short list.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 3s
Chris Johnson's 5th-round ADP is crazy, imo. NYJ O-Line worse than TEN's, and will lose a ton of carries. Doesn't make sense.

So he thinks it should be worse than that? Who else does he think is available.

It sounds so caddie when we rip on writers

how would that sound?

 

[mrnick33]

Probably like..... nanananananana........nanananananana

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

It sounds so caddie when we rip on writers

how would that sound?

I've got a seashell you can come hold your ear up to and sea for yourself

 

[need2know]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

Pagano wants Richardson to be the guy so badly there. He went to TRich and made him sit out beginning of camp because he didn't think he was quite ready and said to TRich that he had nothing to prove right now.That tells all you need to know for the moment. I know Richardson has been a bust but they are going to keep feeding him until he runs his way off the team or turns in a Pro Bowl season.

When you look at the list of the guys in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, I come up with CJ, Rice, TRich, perhaps Ridley but it's a short list.

I would add joique bell to that list

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

Pagano wants Richardson to be the guy so badly there. He went to TRich and made him sit out beginning of camp because he didn't think he was quite ready and said to TRich that he had nothing to prove right now.That tells all you need to know for the moment. I know Richardson has been a bust but they are going to keep feeding him until he runs his way off the team or turns in a Pro Bowl season.

When you look at the list of the guys in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, I come up with CJ, Rice, TRich, perhaps Ridley but it's a short list.

I would add joique bell to that list

54/1,500/7

53/1,200/8

107/2700/15TD up for grabs again this year? Are we hollering 50/50 split? Any chance Bell repeats or increases? Good name drop

 

[Rockchild]

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva 3s
Chris Johnson's 5th-round ADP is crazy, imo. NYJ O-Line worse than TEN's, and will lose a ton of carries. Doesn't make sense.

So he thinks it should be worse than that? Who else does he think is available.

It sounds so caddie when we rip on writers

how would that sound?

"Use your 9 iron and bring it in from the left"

 

[need2know]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

Pagano wants Richardson to be the guy so badly there. He went to TRich and made him sit out beginning of camp because he didn't think he was quite ready and said to TRich that he had nothing to prove right now.That tells all you need to know for the moment. I know Richardson has been a bust but they are going to keep feeding him until he runs his way off the team or turns in a Pro Bowl season.

When you look at the list of the guys in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, I come up with CJ, Rice, TRich, perhaps Ridley but it's a short list.

I would add joique bell to that list

54/1,500/753/1,200/8

107/2700/15TD up for grabs again this year? Are we hollering 50/50 split? Any chance Bell repeats or increases? Good name drop

I think bell outproduces bush this season easily

 

[Rubi]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

Pagano wants Richardson to be the guy so badly there. He went to TRich and made him sit out beginning of camp because he didn't think he was quite ready and said to TRich that he had nothing to prove right now.

That tells all you need to know for the moment. I know Richardson has been a bust but they are going to keep feeding him until he runs his way off the team or turns in a Pro Bowl season.

When you look at the list of the guys in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, I come up with CJ, Rice, TRich, perhaps Ridley but it's a short list.

Just drafted in FBGFPC and took CJ at 5.8

Rice and TRich were already gone. Mid 5th round seems to be CJ's spot right now

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

Pagano wants Richardson to be the guy so badly there. He went to TRich and made him sit out beginning of camp because he didn't think he was quite ready and said to TRich that he had nothing to prove right now.That tells all you need to know for the moment. I know Richardson has been a bust but they are going to keep feeding him until he runs his way off the team or turns in a Pro Bowl season.

When you look at the list of the guys in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, I come up with CJ, Rice, TRich, perhaps Ridley but it's a short list.

I would add joique bell to that list

54/1,500/753/1,200/8

107/2700/15TD up for grabs again this year? Are we hollering 50/50 split? Any chance Bell repeats or increases? Good name drop

I think bell outproduces bush this season easily

Easily? I don't know about that.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

I agree..... Keep ending up with either CJ or Trich in the 5th or 6th as third running backs, in almost every mock I do. I think they are both value plays this year.

Pagano wants Richardson to be the guy so badly there. He went to TRich and made him sit out beginning of camp because he didn't think he was quite ready and said to TRich that he had nothing to prove right now.

That tells all you need to know for the moment. I know Richardson has been a bust but they are going to keep feeding him until he runs his way off the team or turns in a Pro Bowl season.

When you look at the list of the guys in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, I come up with CJ, Rice, TRich, perhaps Ridley but it's a short list.

Just drafted in FBGFPC and took CJ at 5.8

Rice and TRich were already gone. Mid 5th round seems to be CJ's spot right now

TYVM, I wanted to know where guys were going in those drafts, where exactly on Rice and TRich if you don't mind? Terrific info.

 

[Rubi]

Check out FBG's ADP for FFPC and FPC and you can see where EVERYONE is going

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Check out FBG's ADP for FFPC and FPC and you can see where EVERYONE is going

Very cool, ty

 

[need2know]

just got CJ in the fifth in my big money league as my rb2. hope hes as good as some in here thinks he will be. I was kinda was surprised he still slipped into the 5th. hes looked pretty good this preseason.

 

[Insein]

My buddy showed me his draft and he got CJ in the 8th. I mean I know he had a down year but he still got 1000 yards in a bad year and finished top10. Change of scenery and his closest competition is perpetually hurt. Can't see how this isn't a no brainer.

 

[rdrouyn]

Got him for 15 bucks in my 14 team auction league. People are definitively down on him. For frame of reference, RBs get overpaid by a ridiculous amount in this league and T-Rich went for 28.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I got him for $12 in a slow auction I am doing right now; he'll be my 3rd RB/flex. I am most pleased. Just from last week, I think the Jets will make more of an effort to get him involved in the passing game than the Titans did last year.

 

[donkshow]

Got him for $17 in a $300 budget. Trent went for $32.

 

[Chaka]

This team is going to run the ball 500 times, CJ has been incredibly sturdy throughout his career, unlike Ivory, so even accounting for QB runs doesn't 250 touches seem reasonable? I'll gladly take 250 touches in the 5th round.