Chris Johnson in the 5th Round? (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

the whole point of chris johnson in this offense is he has a good chance of catching 4 or 5 balls every week which is probably better than a td in ppr, so if he does that on half the snaps, god bless him.

if I told you jesus said some guy would get 16 td would you have taken him in the 5th?

 

[NYRAGE]

Got more touches. Ivory just broke that big one. Looks like a 55/45 split till Ivory gets hurt at least.

True but CJ was in on 33 offensive snaps and Ivory was in on 30. Johnson will definitely get more touches in most games but it looks like the Jets are sincere about giving Ivory the chance to be the hot hand in games and I think that he will end up with more touches in a handful of games (and produce like a #2 RB, at least, in those games), and be a viable flex option in the other ones.

I'm not sure about the hot hand theory though. They rotated kind of randomly. CJ would get a carry, then Ivory would get a carry. Sometimes vice versa.

The one interesting thing is that CJ was in at the goal-line package. Many thought that he would be used in between the 20s and then Ivory would be the short-yardage and GL back. That wasn't true. One drive, Ivory took it down the field and they brought in CJ inside the ten.

The only certainty is that Ivory can't catch. He can be used to block in passing situations though. Powell might steal a couple of catches and snaps in passing situations.

 

[Eminence]

Got him lined up almost across the board. Let's put up a big week Chris!

 

[need2know]

ouch. bad game today no question.

and rw adds this.

Chris Johnson rushed 12 times for 21 yards and caught one pass for zero yards in Sunday's Week 2 loss at Green Bay.
It only took one week for the Jets to realize Johnson's big Week 1 game was because he played the Raiders. It's obvious that rugged and powerful Chris Ivory is the better option for the Ground 'N Pound scheme Rex Ryan wants to run. Johnson gets a plus matchup against the Bears at home in Week 3, but he's going to share the carries and snaps pretty evenly with Ivory. The days of CJ as a workhorse are over/


maybe I missed something but i see one more carry for ivory in the box score and he had 20 more yards (and the TD). the entire run game sucked though. does this really change anything from what we were all thinking with cj? I am pretty sure i will continue to start cj next week. thoughts?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Lines like this are inevitable with CJ and a healthy Ivory only helps magnify them. I wonder how many targets he got vs. GB.

 

[Bri]

there's that brick wall CJ ran into with the Titans....

Get him outside or don't give him the ball, that's the only way to use him in a shared backfield.

It feels like the Jets have 100 yards rushing in two games, so that line has to step up but it's demoralizing when the RB runs into a brick wall and shows zero vision or leg strength.

 

[rockaction]

Got him lined up almost across the board. Let's put up a big week Chris!

This is how I know I should have benched him.

 

[Bri]

Can Ivory block?

Why can't they be in the backfield together?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Got him lined up almost across the board. Let's put up a big week Chris!

This is how I know I should have benched him.

Yeah, the dude is the equivalent of fantasy cancer.

 

[Eminence]

Got him lined up almost across the board. Let's put up a big week Chris!

This is how I know I should have benched him.

Yeah, the dude is the equivalent of fantasy cancer.

Who, me or CJ?

 

[need2know]

So does the bad game last week take cj from your lineups? Thoughts? Really thinking of sitting him for vereen, pt cruiser, or bradshaw

 

[cvnpoka]

powell getting a lot of passing down work and 4 carries is really bad for cj's outlook. really dumb buying into the hype at the end.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Got him lined up almost across the board. Let's put up a big week Chris!

This is how I know I should have benched him.

Yeah, the dude is the equivalent of fantasy cancer.

Who, me or CJ?

 

[Chaka]

So does the bad game last week take cj from your lineups? Thoughts? Really thinking of sitting him for vereen, pt cruiser, or bradshaw

If you want to capture his explosive weeks you need to be prepared for him to go awol as well.

I gotta admit I was disappointed when I missed out on him and wasn't very excited when I ended up with Ivory (10 rounds later), but I am rethinking that now.

 

[cvnpoka]

his chance at explosive games is drastically reduced when hes not getting passing plays, scoring opportunities, and a large workload.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Name - Snap % - Utilization (Targets)

C. Johnson - 38% - 14 (1 target)

C. Ivory - 38% - 15 (3 targets)

B. Powell - 24% - 6 (2 targets)

Literally no one supported me in this thread when I said Ivory was the more talented runner and that Powell would steal 3rd down work.

 

[Chaka]

Name - Snap % - Utilization (Targets)

C. Johnson - 38% - 14 (1 target)

C. Ivory - 38% - 15 (3 targets)

B. Powell - 24% - 6 (2 targets)

Literally no one supported me in this thread when I said Ivory was the more talented runner and that Powell would steal 3rd down work.

You didn't get any support? I thought a lot of people believed Ivory is a better runner but drop him in the rankings due to health concerns.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Name - Snap % - Utilization (Targets)

C. Johnson - 38% - 14 (1 target)

C. Ivory - 38% - 15 (3 targets)

B. Powell - 24% - 6 (2 targets)

Literally no one supported me in this thread when I said Ivory was the more talented runner and that Powell would steal 3rd down work.

You didn't get any support? I thought a lot of people believed Ivory is a better runner but drop him in the rankings due to health concerns.

Just re-read. Yeah, looks like no one.

 

[Chaka]

Name - Snap % - Utilization (Targets)

C. Johnson - 38% - 14 (1 target)

C. Ivory - 38% - 15 (3 targets)

B. Powell - 24% - 6 (2 targets)

Literally no one supported me in this thread when I said Ivory was the more talented runner and that Powell would steal 3rd down work.

You didn't get any support? I thought a lot of people believed Ivory is a better runner but drop him in the rankings due to health concerns.

Just re-read. Yeah, looks like no one.

I know I didn't support you but I expect Ivory to miss time, however while Ivory is healthy I will gladly admit that I was wrong.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Name - Snap % - Utilization (Targets)

C. Johnson - 38% - 14 (1 target)

C. Ivory - 38% - 15 (3 targets)

B. Powell - 24% - 6 (2 targets)

Literally no one supported me in this thread when I said Ivory was the more talented runner and that Powell would steal 3rd down work.

You didn't get any support? I thought a lot of people believed Ivory is a better runner but drop him in the rankings due to health concerns.

Just re-read. Yeah, looks like no one.

I know I didn't support you but I expect Ivory to miss time, however while Ivory is healthy I will gladly admit that I was wrong.

He's still on pace to pull a hammy. I still like CJ's long-term prospects this year.

 

[Chaka]

Name - Snap % - Utilization (Targets)

C. Johnson - 38% - 14 (1 target)

C. Ivory - 38% - 15 (3 targets)

B. Powell - 24% - 6 (2 targets)

Literally no one supported me in this thread when I said Ivory was the more talented runner and that Powell would steal 3rd down work.

You didn't get any support? I thought a lot of people believed Ivory is a better runner but drop him in the rankings due to health concerns.

Just re-read. Yeah, looks like no one.

I know I didn't support you but I expect Ivory to miss time, however while Ivory is healthy I will gladly admit that I was wrong.

He's still on pace to pull a hammy. I still like CJ's long-term prospects this year.

I would like CJs prospects better if Ivory wasn't playing so well. If Ivory plays 13 or more games I wouldn't be surprised if he finishes ahead of CJ in fantasy. As someone who supported CJ in this thread and reluctantly drafted Ivory I now think that would be an awesome outcome.

ETA: Never mind, found it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

you can get snaps from a variety of sources and targets are on every site now.

I was using football outsiders for snaps last year, but if you go straight to the pdf gamebooks you'll get them quicker.

oh, and btw -- through the first 2 weeks last year it was ivory 22 carries and powell with 25

just sayin'.....

 

[Chaka]

you can get snaps from a variety of sources and targets are on every site now.

I was using football outsiders for snaps last year, but if you go straight to the pdf gamebooks you'll get them quicker.

Thanks. You know you're not such a bad guy Larry, I don't care what anyone else says about you.

 

[need2know]

Seems like they have really started to lean towards more ivory than cj. I own both and am playing ivory from this point forward unless something changes.

 

[Insein]

I hate it when I'm wrong but I really hate when I rely on Chris Johnson to prove me right. ####.

 

[Raider Nation]

Dropping him in my 64-team league.

 

[Insein]

Dropping him in my 64-team league.

####, I'm thinking of dropping him in my 10 teamer. All Marty does is run him into the Guard every time.

 

[BassNBrew]

op whiffed big time here.

 

[Raider Nation]

Dropping him in my 64-team league.

####, I'm thinking of dropping him in my 10 teamer.

I'm not really in a 64-team league.

Spoiler

But I'd still drop him.

 

[Widbil83]

They trust Ivory and freaking Bilal Powell more than Johnson. I'm scared to use this guy as a bye filler.

 

[Eminence]

Yeah, this is terrible. I own him in pretty much every league but a few. Got Ivory handcuffed in a few.

The best thing that could happen to either back at this point is for the other to get hurt. If either back got the bulk of carries, they'd be legit RB 2.

Ivory has been more productive and if I'm forced to start one of the two, it'd be him.

Not a great start for my RB 2 situation across the board. Sorry for misleading anyone, I thought he'd be the bell cow.

He's barely seen the ball and is nursing an ankle injury. They refuse to go off-tackle with him.

 

[cvnpoka]

Seems like they have really started to lean towards more ivory than cj. I own both and am playing ivory from this point forward unless something changes.

thats bc ivory is a much better runner. more worrying for ppl in this thread is how much usage bilal powell gets. there had been predictions in this thread for 40+ receptions and that just isnt gonna happen for cj.

 

[Eminence]

Any clue why they don't call a screen pass for him?

 

[rockaction]

Any clue why they don't call a screen pass for him?

Yeah, because he dropped one with nothing but green for thirty yards all around.

Did you watch the game? If so, you missed that one.

 

[VaTerp]

Any clue why they don't call a screen pass for him?

Yeah, because he dropped one with nothing but green for thirty yards all around.

Did you watch the game? If so, you missed that one.

I must have missed the one he dropped but I did see the one that was a pick 6 for the Bears.

I'm the original CJ2K guy but I own Ivory this year and am happy about that.

That said, he still gets touches and Ivory has not proven the most durable. He's a decent flex/bye week type guy that you have to hope has a good game when you need him in the lineup. If you're relying on him every week you need some help.

 

[rockaction]

Any clue why they don't call a screen pass for him?

Yeah, because he dropped one with nothing but green for thirty yards all around.

Did you watch the game? If so, you missed that one.

I must have missed the one he dropped but I did see the one that was a pick 6 for the Bears.

I'm the original CJ2K guy but I own Ivory this year and am happy about that.

That said, he still gets touches and Ivory has not proven the most durable. He's a decent flex/bye week type guy that you have to hope has a good game when you need him in the lineup. If you're relying on him every week you need some help.

Only reason I own CJ2K is because I owned Ivory last year and his durability is completely questionable. I advocated hard for Ivory, but he was always hurt. The unfortunate thing about CJ is that he looks awful even though he's getting some significant work as the second back (yep) in an RBBC.

 

[Eminence]

Any clue why they don't call a screen pass for him?

Yeah, because he dropped one with nothing but green for thirty yards all around.

Did you watch the game? If so, you missed that one.

I was at work, saw he had a target though. Sucks he drops it but I hope he becomes more involved in the passing game because if he keeps this up, he'll be playing second fiddle to Ivory by the end of the season.

The Bears run defense is terrible.

 

[Lascelle]

Tonight was the last straw for me and CJ0K's shenanigans this season. If you struggle against the Bears, you are of no use to me.

Thankfully have him cuffed to Ivory in the one league I own him (actually benched Johnson for Ivory tonight) but I honestly don't even want CJ tying up a spot on my bench right now.

This is a shallow bench league and CJ's presence (along with Ingram's injury) has prevented me from taking flyers on folks like Blue, Taliaferro, Crowell, etc.

I would happily trade CJ away for some magic beans at this point.

I don't even value him as an Ivory handcuff. If Ivory gets hurt, Powell will get more reps and outshine CJ as well.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Any clue why they don't call a screen pass for him?

Because Geno has less touch than Kap. Every swing pass is at the back shoulder, knees....

 

[thekidd2009]

Even if Ivory gets hurt, I don't think I would even start cj1k. I watched the Green Bay game wk 2 and the Chicago game wk 3 and cj1k showed absolutely nothing in either game. He goes down very easy on contact and is being badly outplayed by Ivory. It's seems to me Ivory fits the mold of this jets team much better than Johnson. Rex Ryan likes smash mouth football and is already talking about getting Ivory more touches....I'm going to be cutting him this week

 

[Insein]

Cut in one league for Allen Robinson. Other league I'll see if Sankey starts, then I'll cut him.

 

[need2know]

I can understand the frustration and cutting him already if you need to but I think it is a good idea to hold him if possible. Ivory is constantly hurt and I think cj gets the bulk when it happens. He's not startable until then though. I have ivory too but can't see starting either vs detroit

 

[OU#1]

Dropped him; the best strategy is to let your league mates chase his points rather than rot on your bench.

 

[Kiddnets]

Way to early to drop - I still think he will get carries....I dont think he will be the bell cow until Ivory gets hurt (and he will get hurt) but he'll still get 10 touches a game IMO

 

[bagger]

Crazy to cut him. I didn't start him last week and not starting him this week but he's still a viable bye week and injury fill in.

 

[Insein]

Its not just CJ going down quickly or losing a step. The Jets have used him like a fullback so far. They run him through the A gap for 3 yards in the series he's in there. Then when he actually gets a screen, Geno throws it to the DBack. I've seen enough. Someone else's problem now.

 

[MCguidance]

I'm torn. The only other value I see on the wire is sankey. But if ivory goes down, I think his value is legit rb2. I'm holding right now unless sankey explodes. At which point it will likely be too late.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I'm done with him.

 

[Insein]

I'm torn. The only other value I see on the wire is sankey. But if ivory goes down, I think his value is legit rb2. I'm holding right now unless sankey explodes. At which point it will likely be too late.

I'd go grab Sankey now and drop CJ in A heartbeat. I was too slow in my league. Had to wake up at 5:30am to get him.

 

[need2know]

Marty mortingweg sucks