Christine Michael (3 Viewers)

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

Agreed. And rotoworld is superb at this. "Sure the stats say he wasn't good, but he looked really impressive while not gaining yards".

 

[jurb26]

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

Welcome to the preseason.

 

[humpback]

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

Welcome to the preseason pretty much every player thread.

 

[rct]

Edited.

 

[valhallan]

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

Agreed. And rotoworld is superb at this. "Sure the stats say he wasn't good, but he looked really impressive while not gaining yards".

Which is what I would want from RotoWorld. That's called adding value. Anyone can see the stats, but I'd much rather know how the guy looked from someone who actually watched.

And for the record, I watched every snap and came away thinking exactly the same way RW did. So, for people that didn't get to watch, they just provided a value add.

 

[bumpman]

Seattle's O-line was missing three starters. That's why Denver defenders were in the backfield on almost every play in the first half.

 

[humpback]

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

Agreed. And rotoworld is superb at this. "Sure the stats say he wasn't good, but he looked really impressive while not gaining yards".

Which is what I would want from RotoWorld. That's called adding value. Anyone can see the stats, but I'd much rather know how the guy looked from someone who actually watched.

And for the record, I watched every snap and came away thinking exactly the same way RW did. So, for people that didn't get to watch, they just provided a value add.

Meh. Roto isn't any less biased than most people so even if they watched it's hard to put much stock into their "analysis" either way.

 

[valhallan]

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

Agreed. And rotoworld is superb at this. "Sure the stats say he wasn't good, but he looked really impressive while not gaining yards".

Which is what I would want from RotoWorld. That's called adding value. Anyone can see the stats, but I'd much rather know how the guy looked from someone who actually watched.

And for the record, I watched every snap and came away thinking exactly the same way RW did. So, for people that didn't get to watch, they just provided a value add.

Meh. Roto isn't any less biased than most people so even if they watched it's hard to put much stock into their "analysis" either way.

If Roto didn't give analysis, this would be the blurb:

(Rotoworld)Christine Michael had 7 carries for 16 yards, 1 TD, 1 Fumble, and 3 receptions for 12 yards on 3 targets.Analysis: ...

Is that really better? If you want that, KFFL is always there for you. A few days later, usually.

I don't understand why they get hammered around here for having opinions.

 

[Hooper31]

Roto isn't any less biased than most people so even if they watched it's hard to put much stock into their "analysis" either way.

Sign of the times. People holding a news service up to the standard of "most people".

 

[Hooper31]

I don't understand why they get hammered around here for having opinions.

Because they blur the line between news and opinion. Supplying unbiased information without bias has a specific value. Opinion does as well, but when they report news laced with opinion it becomes ego driven.

 

[humpback]

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

This thread is a great example of people fitting the data to support their hypothesis instead of modifying their hypothesis to fit the data.

Agreed. And rotoworld is superb at this. "Sure the stats say he wasn't good, but he looked really impressive while not gaining yards".

Which is what I would want from RotoWorld. That's called adding value. Anyone can see the stats, but I'd much rather know how the guy looked from someone who actually watched.

And for the record, I watched every snap and came away thinking exactly the same way RW did. So, for people that didn't get to watch, they just provided a value add.

Meh. Roto isn't any less biased than most people so even if they watched it's hard to put much stock into their "analysis" either way.

If Roto didn't give analysis, this would be the blurb:

(Rotoworld)Christine Michael had 7 carries for 16 yards, 1 TD, 1 Fumble, and 3 receptions for 12 yards on 3 targets.Analysis: ...

Is that really better? If you want that, KFFL is always there for you. A few days later, usually.

I don't understand why they get hammered around here for having opinions.

Did I say it was better?

My point is, Roto gives their "analysis" almost always in a way which confirms their bias. I'm not hammering them for it, but there's little to no value in spinning things to fit a viewpoint. Find a player with which you disagree with their opinions of and you'll probably realize how obvious it is.

 

[valhallan]

I don't understand why they get hammered around here for having opinions.

Because they blur the line between news and opinion. Supplying unbiased information without bias has a specific value. Opinion does as well, but when they report news laced with opinion it becomes ego driven.

How do they blur the lines between news and opinion when all of their opinions are within a section title "analysis"?

 

[humpback]

Roto isn't any less biased than most people so even if they watched it's hard to put much stock into their "analysis" either way.

Sign of the times. People holding a news service up to the standard of "most people".

It's really two parts, the "news" and the "analysis". They have humans writing those blurbs after all, and humans are biased. I don't really have a problem with them per se, but just realize that it's merely someone's opinion and it doesn't really add a heck of a lot of value IMO.

 

[Hooper31]

How do they blur the lines between news and opinion when all of their opinions are within a section title "analysis"?

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-newsThis is their link to Player News. It doesn't say analysis.

 

[Bojang0301]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

 

[valhallan]

How do they blur the lines between news and opinion when all of their opinions are within a section title "analysis"?

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-newsThis is their link to Player News. It doesn't say analysis.

Ok.. but it's clearly separated. This isn't like Fox News putting the bias in the headline.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

You guys make it hard not to think of him as the new David Wilson

I didn't see him play tonight but that's an awful stat line.

in 100 words or less, tell me why ANY statline matters in week 1 of preseason. ready...........go

Colston

Boldin

Stephen Davis

Those would be more applicable to a week 1 of regular season stat line, no?

 

[Hooper31]

How do they blur the lines between news and opinion when all of their opinions are within a section title "analysis"?

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-newsThis is their link to Player News. It doesn't say analysis.

Ok.. but it's clearly separated. This isn't like Fox News putting the bias in the headline.

Read each piece of news. Some of those sections involve opinions. Like I said, they are blurring the line. Ego gets involved as they want to appear right.

 

[valhallan]

How do they blur the lines between news and opinion when all of their opinions are within a section title "analysis"?

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-newsThis is their link to Player News. It doesn't say analysis.

Ok.. but it's clearly separated. This isn't like Fox News putting the bias in the headline.

Read each piece of news. Some of those sections involve opinions. Like I said, they are blurring the line. Ego gets involved as they want to appear right.

Perhaps you can point to an example because I'm not seeing it.

 

[Hooper31]

Perhaps you can point to an example because I'm not seeing it.

Saints undrafted WR Brandon Coleman "has been the clear choice" as the team's "most improved player" since OTAs.Putting the opinion in quotes because someone else said it doesn't forgive that its an opinion. Further, they fail to make it clear that it was someone's specific opinion.

The story reads much different if they state "so and so said..." Further they are picking and choosing which opinions to pass along.

We have different standards for what passes as news. I think Edward R Murrow was right. Making news profitable lead to a loss of integrity.

 

[valhallan]

Perhaps you can point to an example because I'm not seeing it.

Saints undrafted WR Brandon Coleman "has been the clear choice" as the team's "most improved player" since OTAs.Putting the opinion in quotes because someone else said it doesn't forgive that its an opinion. Further, they fail to make it clear that it was someone's specific opinion.

The story reads much different if they state "so and so said..." Further they are picking and choosing which opinions to pass along.

We have different standards for what passes as news. I think Edward R Murrow was right. Making news profitable lead to a loss of integrity.

Putting something in quotes makes it obvious to me that it's not a statement of fact. I don't think it's asking too much for the reader to use some critical thinking.

Saying they choose which opinions to pass along makes your argument infallible. There's simply no way for them to report every opinion uttered on the internet.

I don't think Edward R. Murrow was concerned with fantasy football reporting. Let's have a little perspective here.

 

[Hooper31]

Let's have a little perspective here.

Agreed. I could say the same to you. Does Rotoworld ever report a news story without giving their opinion? Ever? They are what they are. They would like to be held in the same light as a news service, but also want to editorialize everything they can. That sells, and I don't blame them for trying to make a buck.

 

[jurb26]

All this back and forth about RW.... Really?

 

[valhallan]

Let's have a little perspective here.

Agreed. I could say the same to you. Does Rotoworld ever report a news story without giving their opinion? Ever? They are what they are. They would like to be held in the same light as a news service, but also want to editorialize everything they can. That sells, and I don't blame them for trying to make a buck.

Yes, they always provide an opinion and it's clearly opinion. This whole thing was started by ROYALWITCHEESE characterizing RotoWorld as saying "Sure the stats say he wasn't good, but he looked really impressive while not gaining yards". Fantasy stats without opinion can be found at www.pro-football-reference.com. I really can't think of why a fantasy site would exist without opinion.

I'm good on this topic. Lest anyone accuse this of derailing the thread, this thing was up to 47 pages before my first post so you've all been doing your own wackiness in here for a while now

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Let's have a little perspective here.

Agreed. I could say the same to you. Does Rotoworld ever report a news story without giving their opinion? Ever? They are what they are. They would like to be held in the same light as a news service, but also want to editorialize everything they can. That sells, and I don't blame them for trying to make a buck.

Yes, they always provide an opinion and it's clearly opinion. This whole thing was started by ROYALWITCHEESE characterizing RotoWorld as saying "Sure the stats say he wasn't good, but he looked really impressive while not gaining yards". Fantasy stats without opinion can be found at www.pro-football-reference.com. I really can't think of why a fantasy site would exist without opinion.

I'm good on this topic. Lest anyone accuse this of derailing the thread, this thing was up to 47 pages before my first post so you've all been doing your own wackiness in here for a while now

I can't find his stats on this past game on PFR. Little help? Thanks

 

[werdnoynek]

All this back and forth about RW.... Really?

Rotoworld really grinds my gears - to the point of starting a Boycott thread... booze and Rotoworld don't mix for me.

When they like someone they pump them up relentlessly and if they don't like someone they dump on them relentlessly. There's really no inbetween with them. They're a necessary evil though. I've come to the point where I ignore their take and just go right to the source they list. I don't even read what Roto has to say about it and I feel I'm much more informed because of it.

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Michael looked like the best back on the team last night even with the warts. I'm excited to see the opportunities he's given this season, I think Turbin is about to take a back seat.

 

[Bojang0301]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm pretty lukewarm on Michael, but Bojang your hyperbole is even worse than the people viewing him as the next Adrian Peterson. "The crow has come home"?

 

[Bojang0301]

I'm pretty lukewarm on Michael, but Bojang your hyperbole is even worse than the people viewing him as the next Adrian Peterson. "The crow has come home"?

Life is balance.Edit to add: I don't think my talk is as bad as the AD talk... I mean this guy has never carried the ball over 200 times. He wasn't "the guy" in college... He's a wishful "guy of the future" now. His value is a lot lower than assumed this entire offseason. I can see why his owners now feel jaded after they were told to believe he was the heir apparent to Lynch. He isn't even #2 and I've been saying that for awhile.

 

[Touchdown There]

You guys make it hard not to think of him as the new David Wilson

Look up all the pictures you can find of him. Let me know if he looks like Frank Gore or David Wilson.

Of all people, you choose to tell me about David Wilson I don't think I need a picture to figure that out. I wasn't speaking of his stature, nor his talent. The FF community has ignored every red-flag and place unrealistic expectations on him. It's bad. Lynch is a lock to get hurt? A budding HoF potential RB in his prime is going to to lose 150-200 touches? Lynch was going to leave so much money on the table and retire? I don't know what to tell you guys.

You were wrong about David Wilson and you are wrong about Michael.

 

[Shanahanigans]

All this "Michael is clearly the better back and superior talent" talk reminds me a lot of the "it's just a pIoy to motivate Tatum Bell" talk.

Edit to note that FBG has made it impossible to write "pIoy to motivate Tatum Bell". I had to use a capital "i" for an "L". This is what happens when you type the actual words: . hahaha

 

[Bojang0301]

All this "Michael is clearly the better back and superior talent" talk reminds me a lot of the "it's just a pIoy to motivate Tatum Bell" talk.

Edit to note that FBG has made it impossible to write "pIoy to motivate Tatum Bell". I had to use a capital "i" for an "L". This is what happens when you type the actual words: . hahaha

By your SN, I would think that you would know.

 

[EastonBlues22]

Denver was getting a lot of penetration in that game. Not much room for either RB. Thought Michael looked better than Turbin. Better burst, and better lateral agility. Hands were solid on his receptions, with at least one smooth catch on an off-target throw that was against his momentum and well out of his frame. Seemed to pick up his pass blocking reads alright, with no obvious blown assignments. The chop block was poor execution. Still behind what I've seen from Turbin there, but the gap seems to be closing. He had two hands on the ball on the fumble play. Defender put the hat right on the ball, and it came out. It happens. Carries the ball quite a bit in his right arm, even when running to the left, but he carries it securely. None of the gross ball-handling mismanagement like we've seen from Bryce Brown.

Outside of starting, Turbin didn't really do anything of note all game. Not going to waste time arguing whether or not Michael closed the gap between them on the depth chart, but I think it was pretty obvious that Turbin didn't do anything to secure his own position.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You guys make it hard not to think of him as the new David Wilson

Look up all the pictures you can find of him. Let me know if he looks like Frank Gore or David Wilson.

Of all people, you choose to tell me about David Wilson I don't think I need a picture to figure that out. I wasn't speaking of his stature, nor his talent. The FF community has ignored every red-flag and place unrealistic expectations on him. It's bad. Lynch is a lock to get hurt? A budding HoF potential RB in his prime is going to to lose 150-200 touches? Lynch was going to leave so much money on the table and retire? I don't know what to tell you guys.

You were wrong about David Wilson and you are wrong about Michael.

Let me share that needle with you

 

[MoveToSkypager]

He's closer to Jon Stewart to me.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Test:



whoa

 

[DropKick]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

This is comical. Do you really think a player's value hinges on a preseason game? And does Turbin's 4 carries for 5 yards constitute "proving himself as the true backup"?

 

[DropKick]

You guys make it hard not to think of him as the new David Wilson

Look up all the pictures you can find of him. Let me know if he looks like Frank Gore or David Wilson.

Of all people, you choose to tell me about David Wilson I don't think I need a picture to figure that out. I wasn't speaking of his stature, nor his talent. The FF community has ignored every red-flag and place unrealistic expectations on him. It's bad. Lynch is a lock to get hurt? A budding HoF potential RB in his prime is going to to lose 150-200 touches? Lynch was going to leave so much money on the table and retire? I don't know what to tell you guys.

You were wrong about David Wilson and you are wrong about Michael.

Let me share that needle with you

Isn't it cowardly to rag on David Wilson?

Wilson was an electric athlete. He showed flashes as a rookie and people were high on him given the opportunity to be the starter in his second year. He was labeled as fumble prone after fumbling in the opener. I'd give him a pass here as these kids are just that - kids. A 21 year old overwhelmed by the spotlight... Unfortunately, injury would never give him the chance to redeem himself.

To pat yourself on the back about prognosticating his failure is pretty low.

 

[rct]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

"The crow has come home".



Not familiar with that idiom - do you mean to say that the chickens have come to roost and/or combined with someone eating crow? I am confused by what exactly the crow coming home means.

 

[Dismattle]

This one is getting off topic! Wilson is/was electric, and was quoted to believe HOF bound. On a side note, some may enjoy reading about the training that the Tyler Rose had, just to get rdy for College ball.

Id say its getting expensive to hold on too Michael, but Im gonna hang on a bit longer so to speak..

This pass protection issue is haunting though (if still present)

 

[Bronco Billy]

All this back and forth about RW.... Really?

Rotoworld really grinds my gears - to the point of starting a Boycott thread... booze and Rotoworld don't mix for me.

When they like someone they pump them up relentlessly and if they don't like someone they dump on them relentlessly. There's really no inbetween with them. They're a necessary evil though. I've come to the point where I ignore their take and just go right to the source they list. I don't even read what Roto has to say about it and I feel I'm much more informed because of it.

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There is a solution for this and it is completely in your control.

 

[ShaHBucks]

You guys make it hard not to think of him as the new David Wilson

Look up all the pictures you can find of him. Let me know if he looks like Frank Gore or David Wilson.

Of all people, you choose to tell me about David Wilson I don't think I need a picture to figure that out. I wasn't speaking of his stature, nor his talent. The FF community has ignored every red-flag and place unrealistic expectations on him. It's bad. Lynch is a lock to get hurt? A budding HoF potential RB in his prime is going to to lose 150-200 touches? Lynch was going to leave so much money on the table and retire? I don't know what to tell you guys.

You were wrong about David Wilson and you are wrong about Michael.

Let me share that needle with you

Isn't it cowardly to rag on David Wilson?

Wilson was an electric athlete. He showed flashes as a rookie and people were high on him given the opportunity to be the starter in his second year. He was labeled as fumble prone after fumbling in the opener. I'd give him a pass here as these kids are just that - kids. A 21 year old overwhelmed by the spotlight... Unfortunately, injury would never give him the chance to redeem himself.

To pat yourself on the back about prognosticating his failure is pretty low.

Don't be so sensitive. The only thing I was ragging on was Touchdown There's short memory. That comment was beyond irony if you know anything about the conversations we had about the hype that surrounded Wilson.

 

[Neofight]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

"The crow has come home".



Not familiar with that idiom - do you mean to say that the chickens have come to roost and/or combined with someone eating crow? I am confused by what exactly the crow coming home means.

It was a Hangman's Joke.

 

[Bamac]

All this back and forth about RW.... Really?

Rotoworld really grinds my gears - to the point of starting a Boycott thread... booze and Rotoworld don't mix for me.

When they like someone they pump them up relentlessly and if they don't like someone they dump on them relentlessly. There's really no inbetween with them. They're a necessary evil though. I've come to the point where I ignore their take and just go right to the source they list. I don't even read what Roto has to say about it and I feel I'm much more informed because of it.

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There is a solution for this and it is completely in your control.

If you're implying that we should murder Evan Silva ... that would be illegal.

 

[Bojang0301]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

This is comical. Do you really think a player's value hinges on a preseason game? And does Turbin's 4 carries for 5 yards constitute "proving himself as the true backup"?

He has nothing to prove... He's been the backup for the last two years... What changed?

 

[Bojang0301]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

"The crow has come home".

Not familiar with that idiom - do you mean to say that the chickens have come to roost and/or combined with someone eating crow? I am confused by what exactly the crow coming home means.

The "crow" being people "crowing" that they wouldn't take multiple firsts or AD for a #3 RB who has never carried a full load in his collegiate career. I wonder if he'll even be active most games considering he can't play special teams and Ware can play FB.

 

[biju]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

This is comical. Do you really think a player's value hinges on a preseason game? And does Turbin's 4 carries for 5 yards constitute "proving himself as the true backup"?

He has nothing to prove... He's been the backup for the last two years... What changed?

I see this sentiment often with the Seahawks and I can tell you the coaching staff doesn't allow players to rest on their laurels (with perhaps the exception of Marshawn Lynch). If Michael outplays Turbin (and from what I saw this is a reasonably big "if" as he'll need to fix his pass protection) it won't matter one bit whether Turbin was the #2 previously. For that matter, if Turbin outplays Lynch I guarantee he'll start regardless of who is making more money too. Once the players get on the field their play will always dictate who starts and who backs them up, not past credentials.

 

[DropKick]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

This is comical. Do you really think a player's value hinges on a preseason game? And does Turbin's 4 carries for 5 yards constitute "proving himself as the true backup"?

He has nothing to prove... He's been the backup for the last two years... What changed?

It was your statement that Michael owner's should have cashed out earlier this summer before Turbin shocked the world in a meaningless preseason game. And do you really think Turbin (who I like) has a track record that is beyond reproach? I bet even he still thinks he has something to prove...

 

[Bronco Billy]

All this back and forth about RW.... Really?

Rotoworld really grinds my gears - to the point of starting a Boycott thread... booze and Rotoworld don't mix for me.

When they like someone they pump them up relentlessly and if they don't like someone they dump on them relentlessly. There's really no inbetween with them. They're a necessary evil though. I've come to the point where I ignore their take and just go right to the source they list. I don't even read what Roto has to say about it and I feel I'm much more informed because of it.

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There is a solution for this and it is completely in your control.

If you're implying that we should murder Evan Silva ... that would be illegal.

Yes, that's clearly what I was alluding to. Thanks for picking up on it so astutely.