Christine Michael (5 Viewers)

[lyon812]

If the talent is there, he can probably surpass Lynch. Adrian Peterson kicked Chester Taylor to the curb. Not saying he's going to take over but it would be foolish to think Michael couldn't force a timeshare.

You don't draft a Running Back in the 2nd and not use him, especially if he is producing for you.

What would have been the point of the pick?

To prepare for when you don't want to pay Lynch's salary anymore. He doesn't need to surpass Lynch. He just needs to be there to replace him when the Seahawks start needing money to resign all of their other players.

For reference, a couple of good articles here http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/98534/marshawn-lynch-the-seattle-seahawks-and-the-bigger-rb-picture and here http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/3/8/2852948/marshawn-lynchs-contract-details-disclosed

 

[ptsteelers]

Maybe it's me and just not understanding the contract or maybe its ROTO that has the contract info wrong, but I keep hearing about how Lynch has guaranteed money after 2014 and I just don't see it ... in the info posted http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/sea/

3/4/2012: Signed a four-year, $31 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed, including a $6 milling signing bonus and all of Lynch's first- and second-year base salaries. Another $1 million is available through incentives in the final two years based on 1,500-yard rushing seasons. 2013: $7 million, 2014: $5 million (+ $500,000 in per-game roster bonuses), 2015: $5.5 million (+ $2 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2016: Free Agent

Isn't that saying that only his first two years are guaranteed? And as he signed it in 2012, wouldn't those first two years be 2013 and 2014? Meaning he has no money guaranteed in 2015, right?

Now, you add in the likely suspension, if he ever goes to court and I am loving Michael as a Dynasty RB in 2014, not just 2015

 

[gianmarco]

If the talent is there, he can probably surpass Lynch. Adrian Peterson kicked Chester Taylor to the curb. Not saying he's going to take over but it would be foolish to think Michael couldn't force a timeshare.

You don't draft a Running Back in the 2nd and not use him, especially if he is producing for you.

What would have been the point of the pick?

Funny you mention Adrian Peterson, 2nd round RBs, and not using them.

You know who was a 2nd round pick? Toby Gerhart. Want another name? Brian Leonard.

Not every guy drafted in the 2nd round is drafted to be an eventual starter.

FWIW, I'm not saying that's their plan for Michael. Just pointing out a myth.

 

[Banger]

If the talent is there, he can probably surpass Lynch. Adrian Peterson kicked Chester Taylor to the curb. Not saying he's going to take over but it would be foolish to think Michael couldn't force a timeshare.

You don't draft a Running Back in the 2nd and not use him, especially if he is producing for you.

What would have been the point of the pick?

the future? Lynch won't be here forever and he's an all pro RB. They run him into the ground, get the kid a few reps, get him used to the pro's, ditch Lynch next year and hand him the reigns.

 

[tsarc888]

"Beat writer Danny O'Neil says there will be a "pretty fierce competition" to see who gets more carries between Robert Turbin and Christine Michael this season.

Source: ESPN 710 Seattle"

Turbin looked "a little less explosive" in the third preseason game and blew a blitz pickup. Meanwhile, Michael's preseason line is an eye-opening 27/186/1. Although Turbin has reasonable talent in his own right, Michael has top-10 NFL running back ability. We'd be very surprised if the rookie wasn't the direct backup to Marshawn Lynch on early downs.

 

[Englishteacher]

Rushing Rk Player Team Pos Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM 1 Christine Michael SEA RB 27 13.5 186 6.9 93.0 1 43T 7 25.9 2 1 0 2 Joseph Randle DAL RB 45 11.2 168 3.7 42.0 1 13 10 22.2 0 0 0 3 Jordan Todman JAC RB 20 6.7 163 8.2 54.3 1 63T 6 30.0 2 1 0 4 Roy Helu WAS RB 27 9.0 157 5.8 52.3 1 30T 8 29.6 1 0 1 5 Chris Johnson TEN RB 20 6.7 155 7.8 51.7 1 58T 4 20.0 2 1 0 6 Matt Forte CHI RB 15 5.0 149 9.9 49.7 1 58 5 33.3 2 1 0 7 David Wilson NYG RB 18 6.0 142 7.9 47.3 1 84T 2 11.1 2 1 0 8 LeGarrette Blount NE RB 24 8.0 137 5.7 45.7 2 51T 6 25.0 1 1 0 9 Phillip Tanner DAL RB 31 7.8 123 4.0 30.8 1 17 6 19.4 0 0 0 10 Ryan Mathews SD RB 26 8.7 121 4.7 40.3 1 18 7 26.9 0 0 1 11 Dan Herron CIN RB 19 6.3 116 6.1 38.7 1 40T 4 21.1 1 1 0 11 Stevan Ridley NE RB 22 7.3 116 5.3 38.7 1 62 3 13.6 1 1 0 13 Bryce Brown PHI RB 16 8.0 114 7.1 57.0 2 23 6 37.5 1 0 1 13 Peyton Hillis TB RB 29 9.7 114 3.9 38.0 0 17 6 20.7 0 0 1 15 Mike James TB RB 28 9.3 113 4.0 37.7 0 16 6 21.4 0 0 0 15 Khiry Robinson NO RB 27 9.0 113 4.2 37.7 0 18 5 18.5 0 0 0 17 Deji Karim HOU RB 21 7.0 112 5.3 37.3 0 19 8 38.1 0 0 0 18 Jonathan Dwyer PIT RB 28 9.3 108 3.9 36.0 0 23 6 21.4 1 0 1 19 Jackie Battle TEN RB 28 9.3 107 3.8 35.7 0 14 6 21.4 0 0 0 20 Josh Johnson CIN QB 10 3.3 105 10.5 35.0 0 43 3 30.0 1 1 2 21 Giovani Bernard CIN RB 23 7.7 104 4.5 34.7 2 18 6 26.1 0 0 0 22 C.J. Spiller BUF RB 19 6.3 102 5.4 34.0 1 19 5 26.3 0 0 0 22 Keiland Williams WAS RB 18 6.0 102 5.7 34.0 1 23 6 33.3 2 0 0 24 Michael Ford CHI RB 30 10.0 101 3.4 33.7 2 17 6 20.0 0 0 0 24 Steven Jackson ATL RB 25 8.3 101 4.0 33.7 0 13 5 20.0 0 0 0 26 Jonas Gray MIA RB 33 8.2 99 3.0 24.8 2 29 6 18.2 1 0 1 27 Bilal Powell NYJ RB 27 9.0 98 3.6 32.7 1 37 7 25.9 1 0 0 28 Fozzy Whittaker SD RB 29 9.7 96 3.3 32.0 2 13 6 20.7 0 0 0 29 Denard Robinson JAC RB 27 9.0 94 3.5 31.3 0 10 4 14.8 0 0 0 30 Stepfan Taylor ARI RB 28 9.3 93 3.3 31.0 0 14 4 14.3 0 0 0 31 Rex Burkhead CIN RB 17 5.7 91 5.4 30.3 0 22 4 23.5 1 0 0 32 Ben Tate HOU RB 15 5.0 86 5.7 28.7 1 39 6 40.0 1 0 1 32 Spencer Ware SEA RB 16 5.3 86 5.4 28.7 1 20 5 31.3 2 0 0 34 Robert Turbin SEA RB 19 9.5 85 4.5 42.5 0 14 4 21.1 0 0 0 35 Rashad Jennings OAK RB 25 8.3 84 3.4 28.0 0 16 5 20.0 0 0 0 35 Cierre Wood HOU RB 16 5.3 84 5.3 28.0 0 20 4 25.0 1 0 0 37 Terrelle Pryor OAK QB 11 3.7 83 7.5 27.7 1 25T 5 45.5 1 0 0 37 Pat White WAS QB 12 4.0 83 6.9 27.7 2 18 6 50.0 0 0 0 39 Tauren Poole CAR RB 29 9.7 82 2.8 27.3 0 17 4 13.8 0 0 0 39 Alfonso Smith ARI RB 22 7.3 82 3.7 27.3 0 17 5 22.7 0 0 0 41 Montee Ball DEN RB 25 8.3 80 3.2 26.7 1 11 4 16.0 0 0 0 42 Rashard Mendenhall ARI RB 13 6.5 79 6.1 39.5 0 22 3 23.1 1 0 0 42 Ray Rice BAL RB 27 9.0 79 2.9 26.3 1 15 4 14.8 0 0 0 44 Mike Gillislee MIA RB 28 7.0 78 2.8 19.5 0 10 5 17.9 0 0 0 44 Shonn Greene TEN RB 16 5.3 78 4.9 26.0 1 19T 6 37.5 0 0 0 44 Jewel Hampton SF RB 27 13.5 78 2.9 39.0 1 15 4 14.8 0 0 0 47 Ronnie Hillman DEN RB 22 7.3 77 3.5 25.7 0 16 3 13.6 0 0 2 47 Kerwynn Williams IND RB 23 7.7 77 3.3 25.7 0 27 4 17.4 1 0 0 49 Andre Brown NYG RB 19 6.3 76 4.0 25.3 0 11 5 26.3 0 0 0

 

[Koya]

If the talent is there, he can probably surpass Lynch. Adrian Peterson kicked Chester Taylor to the curb. Not saying he's going to take over but it would be foolish to think Michael couldn't force a timeshare.

You don't draft a Running Back in the 2nd and not use him, especially if he is producing for you.

What would have been the point of the pick?

To prepare for when you don't want to pay Lynch's salary anymore. He doesn't need to surpass Lynch. He just needs to be there to replace him when the Seahawks start needing money to resign all of their other players.

For reference, a couple of good articles here http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/98534/marshawn-lynch-the-seattle-seahawks-and-the-bigger-rb-picture and here http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/3/8/2852948/marshawn-lynchs-contract-details-disclosed

In addition, Lynch is a lot more talented than Chester Taylor. And regardless of where they were selected, A Peterson showed a lot more in college and I believe was seen as a more complete and NFL ready back than Michael is.

This coming from someone who has Michael in a couple leagues and would love to see him get a shot this year - but it won't happen unless Lynch goes down. And the same can be said for next year in all likelihood, assuming Lynch is around and healthy.

 

[jmo87usc]

Rushing Rk Player Team Pos Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM 1 Christine Michael SEA RB 27 13.5 186 6.9 93.0 1 43T 7 25.9 2 1 0 2 Joseph Randle DAL RB 45 11.2 168 3.7 42.0 1 13 10 22.2 0 0 0 3 Jordan Todman JAC RB 20 6.7 163 8.2 54.3 1 63T 6 30.0 2 1 0 4 Roy Helu WAS RB 27 9.0 157 5.8 52.3 1 30T 8 29.6 1 0 1 5 Chris Johnson TEN RB 20 6.7 155 7.8 51.7 1 58T 4 20.0 2 1 0 6 Matt Forte CHI RB 15 5.0 149 9.9 49.7 1 58 5 33.3 2 1 0 7 David Wilson NYG RB 18 6.0 142 7.9 47.3 1 84T 2 11.1 2 1 0 8 LeGarrette Blount NE RB 24 8.0 137 5.7 45.7 2 51T 6 25.0 1 1 0 9 Phillip Tanner DAL RB 31 7.8 123 4.0 30.8 1 17 6 19.4 0 0 0 10 Ryan Mathews SD RB 26 8.7 121 4.7 40.3 1 18 7 26.9 0 0 1 11 Dan Herron CIN RB 19 6.3 116 6.1 38.7 1 40T 4 21.1 1 1 0 11 Stevan Ridley NE RB 22 7.3 116 5.3 38.7 1 62 3 13.6 1 1 0 13 Bryce Brown PHI RB 16 8.0 114 7.1 57.0 2 23 6 37.5 1 0 1 13 Peyton Hillis TB RB 29 9.7 114 3.9 38.0 0 17 6 20.7 0 0 1 15 Mike James TB RB 28 9.3 113 4.0 37.7 0 16 6 21.4 0 0 0 15 Khiry Robinson NO RB 27 9.0 113 4.2 37.7 0 18 5 18.5 0 0 0 17 Deji Karim HOU RB 21 7.0 112 5.3 37.3 0 19 8 38.1 0 0 0 18 Jonathan Dwyer PIT RB 28 9.3 108 3.9 36.0 0 23 6 21.4 1 0 1 19 Jackie Battle TEN RB 28 9.3 107 3.8 35.7 0 14 6 21.4 0 0 0 20 Josh Johnson CIN QB 10 3.3 105 10.5 35.0 0 43 3 30.0 1 1 2 21 Giovani Bernard CIN RB 23 7.7 104 4.5 34.7 2 18 6 26.1 0 0 0 22 C.J. Spiller BUF RB 19 6.3 102 5.4 34.0 1 19 5 26.3 0 0 0 22 Keiland Williams WAS RB 18 6.0 102 5.7 34.0 1 23 6 33.3 2 0 0 24 Michael Ford CHI RB 30 10.0 101 3.4 33.7 2 17 6 20.0 0 0 0 24 Steven Jackson ATL RB 25 8.3 101 4.0 33.7 0 13 5 20.0 0 0 0 26 Jonas Gray MIA RB 33 8.2 99 3.0 24.8 2 29 6 18.2 1 0 1 27 Bilal Powell NYJ RB 27 9.0 98 3.6 32.7 1 37 7 25.9 1 0 0 28 Fozzy Whittaker SD RB 29 9.7 96 3.3 32.0 2 13 6 20.7 0 0 0 29 Denard Robinson JAC RB 27 9.0 94 3.5 31.3 0 10 4 14.8 0 0 0 30 Stepfan Taylor ARI RB 28 9.3 93 3.3 31.0 0 14 4 14.3 0 0 0 31 Rex Burkhead CIN RB 17 5.7 91 5.4 30.3 0 22 4 23.5 1 0 0 32 Ben Tate HOU RB 15 5.0 86 5.7 28.7 1 39 6 40.0 1 0 1 32 Spencer Ware SEA RB 16 5.3 86 5.4 28.7 1 20 5 31.3 2 0 0 34 Robert Turbin SEA RB 19 9.5 85 4.5 42.5 0 14 4 21.1 0 0 0 35 Rashad Jennings OAK RB 25 8.3 84 3.4 28.0 0 16 5 20.0 0 0 0 35 Cierre Wood HOU RB 16 5.3 84 5.3 28.0 0 20 4 25.0 1 0 0 37 Terrelle Pryor OAK QB 11 3.7 83 7.5 27.7 1 25T 5 45.5 1 0 0 37 Pat White WAS QB 12 4.0 83 6.9 27.7 2 18 6 50.0 0 0 0 39 Tauren Poole CAR RB 29 9.7 82 2.8 27.3 0 17 4 13.8 0 0 0 39 Alfonso Smith ARI RB 22 7.3 82 3.7 27.3 0 17 5 22.7 0 0 0 41 Montee Ball DEN RB 25 8.3 80 3.2 26.7 1 11 4 16.0 0 0 0 42 Rashard Mendenhall ARI RB 13 6.5 79 6.1 39.5 0 22 3 23.1 1 0 0 42 Ray Rice BAL RB 27 9.0 79 2.9 26.3 1 15 4 14.8 0 0 0 44 Mike Gillislee MIA RB 28 7.0 78 2.8 19.5 0 10 5 17.9 0 0 0 44 Shonn Greene TEN RB 16 5.3 78 4.9 26.0 1 19T 6 37.5 0 0 0 44 Jewel Hampton SF RB 27 13.5 78 2.9 39.0 1 15 4 14.8 0 0 0 47 Ronnie Hillman DEN RB 22 7.3 77 3.5 25.7 0 16 3 13.6 0 0 2 47 Kerwynn Williams IND RB 23 7.7 77 3.3 25.7 0 27 4 17.4 1 0 0 49 Andre Brown NYG RB 19 6.3 76 4.0 25.3 0 11 5 26.3 0 0 0

The way my computer displays this, it made a pretty design. Then I tried to make sense of it, got a migraine and threw up. I think your point was that Michael is the leading rusher in the NFL this preseason? Next time please just say that. I have to go lay down.

 

[Mr E]

Do you think he Michael will be a starter in 2 or 3 years? Got him in my keeper league rd 18, I plan to keep him every year going forward.

 

[EBF]

Do you think he Michael will be a starter in 2 or 3 years? Got him in my keeper league rd 18, I plan to keep him every year going forward.

Yes, I think so. I think he has more dynasty value than a lot of current starters. He's an ascending player whose value will only keep rising until he gets his shot.

 

[JustinHawkins]

For sure. His trade value is close to being a starter now. I just made this trade this week in fact.

I gave up: Bell & Michael

I got: Miller, Randle, Bryce Brown

Clearly Michael was a big part of what the other owner wanted. I think he has a great shot starting as early as next year.

 

[FantasyMan]

For sure. His trade value is close to being a starter now. I just made this trade this week in fact.

I gave up: Bell & Michael

I got: Miller, Randle, Bryce Brown Fleeced

Clearly Michael was a big part of what the other owner wanted. I think he has a great shot starting as early as next year.

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[Sabertooth]

I have an auction coming up. This is a short roster league where we get to keep two players for 3 years max. I am drafting Michael and I think I'll get him for league min. I am keeping Lynch and Charles this season so he has double value for me. Hoping to get him at league minimum $2.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

from strictly a coaching point of view I don't know how you keep this guy off the field...I think he has shown that he can be a difference maker and he deserves significant snaps....if he can help me win, he is going to play....so I think he sees more action than you think....this is great for the coaching staff because it is clear motivation for Lynch....any sign of him slowing down and the kid is in.....plus you can give the kid a few series a game to keep Lynch fresh for the playoffs.....SEA with that defense and the talent they have will be winning a lot of games this year....I can see this kid being a part of clock killing time while Lynch puts on a ball cap and has some Skittles....why have Lynch in there taking a beating when your up by 20...

with all due respect to Lynch and what he has done....he may not be the best RB on this team right now.....your past only gets you so far in the NFL

 

[Sabertooth]

Stinkin Ref, I get that and thought the same thing when Randall Cobb was drafted. He was so good so fast that he just made you think.....hmmm. But the general consensus was that his situation would limit his productivity. I mean he was behind 3 pro bowlers in Driver, Jennings, and Jordy. James Jones was the fourth guy and they had a receiving TE. Just too many mouths to feed. And I wonder, but what if he's better than not only Jordy or Jones, but better than Jennings too? And he appears to have ascended despite all those mouths to feed.

Point being, talent will rise and while Lynch is very good, he is not Adrian Peterson good. There is room for a truly gifted back to jump in and take over. It's happened before. Sometimes a guy comes in who will simply not be denied. Great problem to have for the coaches.

 

[TheFanatic]

He's $7 million next year and $9 million in 15. He doesn't see that $9 million no matter what. He might be able to re-negotiate, but that usually requires either a big pay cut, which I bet he takes the out and tries to get signed elsewhere, or more money from the team, but spread out in a more cap friendly way. I don't see the Seahawks doing that with as many young studs they have to sign in the next two years and Lynch being 28 right now.

BUT, before they can let Lynch go or risk offering him a massive pay cut for 2015, they have to see what Michael can do in regular season games. Not sure that will happen this year barring an injury to Lynch. But next year, they are going to have to give TB some significant carries to make sure they can do without Lynch.

I agree with everything you're saying, but he turned 27 a few months ago.

Damn. I knew that. As a Michael owner, it;s wishful thinking that Lynch is older and older!

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Maybe it's me and just not understanding the contract or maybe its ROTO that has the contract info wrong, but I keep hearing about how Lynch has guaranteed money after 2014 and I just don't see it ... in the info posted http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/sea/

3/4/2012: Signed a four-year, $31 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed, including a $6 milling signing bonus and all of Lynch's first- and second-year base salaries. Another $1 million is available through incentives in the final two years based on 1,500-yard rushing seasons. 2013: $7 million, 2014: $5 million (+ $500,000 in per-game roster bonuses), 2015: $5.5 million (+ $2 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2016: Free Agent

Isn't that saying that only his first two years are guaranteed? And as he signed it in 2012, wouldn't those first two years be 2013 and 2014? Meaning he has no money guaranteed in 2015, right?

Now, you add in the likely suspension, if he ever goes to court and I am loving Michael as a Dynasty RB in 2014, not just 2015

He doesn't really have guaranteed money, but he does have some dead cap space based on the prorated signing bonus of $1.5 million. If they cut Lynch in 2014, the Seahawks would save $5.5 million in cap space in 2014 and $7.5 million in 2015. It would however result in dead cap of $3 million ($1.5 million each year).

If there isn't a major drop off from Lynch to Michael, then cutting Lynch is certainly a possibility (if he is unwilling to re-negotiate). As a comparison, Michael's cap hits would be $766,000, $920,000 and $1,073,000 in the next three years . The Seahawks are going to have some tough choices in the next couple of years with a lot of their rookie contracts expiring around the same time (e.g Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner, Earl Thomas KJ Wright, Golden Tate).

 

[Casting Couch]

I like Michael and I own him, but he looked absolutely horrible last night.

 

[JustinHawkins]

For sure. His trade value is close to being a starter now. I just made this trade this week in fact.

I gave up: Bell & Michael

I got: Miller, Randle, Bryce Brown Fleeced

Clearly Michael was a big part of what the other owner wanted. I think he has a great shot starting as early as next year.

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That is your opinion, and not a very astute one. L. Miller is the best player in this deal, easily. And Randle won't be behind Cruz and Nicks forever. I'm betting Nicks is gone next year (hopefully to the Panthers) and Randle steps right in his role.

 

[Pots]

For sure. His trade value is close to being a starter now. I just made this trade this week in fact.

I gave up: Bell & Michael

I got: Miller, Randle, Bryce Brown Fleeced

Clearly Michael was a big part of what the other owner wanted. I think he has a great shot starting as early as next year.

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That is your opinion, and not a very astute one. L. Miller is the best player in this deal, easily. And Randle won't be behind Cruz and Nicks forever. I'm betting Nicks is gone next year (hopefully to the Panthers) and Randle steps right in his role.

I believe you're in the minority on those thoughts. I agree with FantasyMan

 

[JackReacher]

For sure. His trade value is close to being a starter now. I just made this trade this week in fact.

I gave up: Bell & Michael

I got: Miller, Randle, Bryce Brown Fleeced

Clearly Michael was a big part of what the other owner wanted. I think he has a great shot starting as early as next year.

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That is your opinion, and not a very astute one. L. Miller is the best player in this deal, easily. And Randle won't be behind Cruz and Nicks forever. I'm betting Nicks is gone next year (hopefully to the Panthers) and Randle steps right in his role.

JH - you seem to be a nice guy, but please stop sharing every move your teams make. Thanks

 

[ImTheScientist]

For sure. His trade value is close to being a starter now. I just made this trade this week in fact.

I gave up: Bell & Michael

I got: Miller, Randle, Bryce Brown Fleeced

Clearly Michael was a big part of what the other owner wanted. I think he has a great shot starting as early as next year.

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[JayJay328]

Where is this guys ADP in rookie drafts and dynasty start ups right now?

 

[Otis]

lol at comparing Lynch and Chester Taylor

 

[tsarc888]

I like Michael and I own him, but he looked absolutely horrible last night.

was he running behind the Seahawks 2nd and 3rd string O-lines? Part of the allure of Micheal is the situation and OL. I admit, I did not see the game, but I'm not sure many conclusions can be drawn from anything in the 4th preseason game.

 

[Mortimer Ichabod]

I like Michael and I own him, but he looked absolutely horrible last night.

was he running behind the Seahawks 2nd and 3rd string O-lines? Part of the allure of Micheal is the situation and OL. I admit, I did not see the game, but I'm not sure many conclusions can be drawn from anything in the 4th preseason game.

The line play was horrid. The Turbinator faired even worse.

 

[Ray_T]

Do you think he Michael will be a starter in 2 or 3 years? Got him in my keeper league rd 18, I plan to keep him every year going forward.

Yes, I think so. I think he has more dynasty value than a lot of current starters. He's an ascending player whose value will only keep rising until he gets his shot.

I agree. Lynch is a great player, but he has hard miles on the odometer.

He runs over people and through people.

Players with his running style tend to burn out a year or two earlier than other RB's. I expect by the age of 29 he will be on his last legs. (most burn out around 30 or 31)

 

[biju]

I like Michael and I own him, but he looked absolutely horrible last night.

was he running behind the Seahawks 2nd and 3rd string O-lines? Part of the allure of Micheal is the situation and OL. I admit, I did not see the game, but I'm not sure many conclusions can be drawn from anything in the 4th preseason game.

The line play was horrid. The Turbinator faired even worse.

Yeah, the Raiders were selling out on the run to stop it and left the quick outs wide open. I'm not terribly concerned about the running game in Seattle. As a side note, James Carpenter was back in action with the 2s and 3s and absolutely dominated. If only he could remain healthy...

 

[Hooper31]

It's true that he didn't have anywhere to run last night late in the game. However, on more than one occasion he came to a dead stop in the backfield with the thought of bouncing runs to the outside instead of just plowing forward getting whatever he could and attempting to hit a narrow hole hard.

 

[cstu]

It's true that he didn't have anywhere to run last night late in the game. However, on more than one occasion he came to a dead stop in the backfield with the thought of bouncing runs to the outside instead of just plowing forward getting whatever he could and attempting to hit a narrow hole hard.

1st carry (0) - his blocking broke down on the left side but had good blocking on the right. Instead of cutting to the right he inexplicably stutter steps and cut left right into a defender.

2nd carry (-1) - exact same play, cut left into a defender instead of cutting to the right that is blocked.

3rd carry (-3) - nowhere to go, not on him

4th carry (9) - nice play, makes a sharp cut and makes a guy miss

5th carry (2) - follows his FB into a pile, nowhere to go

6th carry (1) - again nowhere to go

7th carry (-1) - strangely cuts right into the defender

8th carry (0) - doesn't wait his blocks to set up and takes it outside, cuts back but it's too late. There was a big hole on the inside if he had been more patient

9th carry (6) - uses his speed to go outside for a nice gain

10th carry (3) - straight up the middle for a decent gain

11th carry (1) - dive up the middle for a yard

12th carry (0) - once gain is slow to see the cutback to the right, cuts back but too late and runs right into pile

13th carry (-2) - FB completely misses his block, no fault of Michael's

 

[biju]

It's true that he didn't have anywhere to run last night late in the game. However, on more than one occasion he came to a dead stop in the backfield with the thought of bouncing runs to the outside instead of just plowing forward getting whatever he could and attempting to hit a narrow hole hard.

1st carry (0) - his blocking broke down on the left side but had good blocking on the right. Instead of cutting to the right he inexplicably stutter steps and cut left right into a defender.

2nd carry (-1) - exact same play, cut left into a defender instead of cutting to the right that is blocked.

3rd carry (-3) - nowhere to go, not on him

4th carry (9) - nice play, makes a sharp cut and makes a guy miss

5th carry (2) - follows his FB into a pile, nowhere to go

6th carry (1) - again nowhere to go

7th carry (-1) - strangely cuts right into the defender

8th carry (0) - doesn't wait his blocks to set up and takes it outside, cuts back but it's too late. There was a big hole on the inside if he had been more patient

9th carry (6) - uses his speed to go outside for a nice gain

10th carry (3) - straight up the middle for a decent gain

11th carry (1) - dive up the middle for a yard

12th carry (0) - once gain is slow to see the cutback to the right, cuts back but too late and runs right into pile

13th carry (-2) - FB completely misses his block, no fault of Michael's

I agree with your overall assessment and just want to add a comment to his 5th and 11th carries: they were 3rd and 1 scenarios so I actually don't think the design of the play is to get a whole lot more. The 12th carry was a 2nd and 1 which he didn't convert.

I'll need to re-watch the 7th carry as I don't remember the play.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I love the breakdown cstu, but I do think we have to be careful about how we evaluate a few of those plays. It may seem like he cut back strangely on some plays but it's very possible that those plays were designed specifically to do that against the blocking going in the other direction and that the defense either read it and made a great play or someone messed up their blocking assignment.

I think not being patient enough to hit holes or dancing around too much are things we can see and know for sure, but without knowing the play design and blocking scheme I'm not sure we can blame Michael for cutbacks that didn't work. Not definitively anyway.

 

[cstu]

I love the breakdown cstu, but I do think we have to be careful about how we evaluate a few of those plays. It may seem like he cut back strangely on some plays but it's very possible that those plays were designed specifically to do that against the blocking going in the other direction and that the defense either read it and made a great play or someone messed up their blocking assignment.

I think not being patient enough to hit holes or dancing around too much are things we can see and know for sure, but without knowing the play design and blocking scheme I'm not sure we can blame Michael for cutbacks that didn't work. Not definitively anyway.

II'm not giving it a lot of weight since it wasn't the starting OL. What he did show was a lot of quickness so I don't have much concern with him when he has good blocking. His vision didn't seem to be the greatest but it may not matter in this offense.

 

[Topes]

I have skimmed this thread now and again this summer.

The thing that keeps jumping out at me is the repeated mentions that Lynch's salary will become burdensome in the coming years.

I just don't see it. His salary just doesn't strike me as burdensome for the team. Maybe not a bargain, but not seeing where it becomes a cost center.

I do like Michael, but I figure Lynch will have to drop off or be outshone.

 

[Pots]

I have skimmed this thread now and again this summer.

The thing that keeps jumping out at me is the repeated mentions that Lynch's salary will become burdensome in the coming years.

I just don't see it. His salary just doesn't strike me as burdensome for the team. Maybe not a bargain, but not seeing where it becomes a cost center.

I do like Michael, but I figure Lynch will have to drop off or be outshone.

The idea of Lynch's salary being burdensome is based on the assumption that by 2014 Michael will be the better RB and outperforming Lynch. That's a lot of money for your 2nd best RB who was ridden hard the last few seasons. This isn't Carolina after all.

 

[The Man With No Name]

As of August 23 the Hawks have $3,160,007 in salary cap space for 2013. That isn't much

 

[biju]

I have skimmed this thread now and again this summer.

The thing that keeps jumping out at me is the repeated mentions that Lynch's salary will become burdensome in the coming years.

I just don't see it. His salary just doesn't strike me as burdensome for the team. Maybe not a bargain, but not seeing where it becomes a cost center.

I do like Michael, but I figure Lynch will have to drop off or be outshone.

The following players will need contracts in the next two years:

- Earl Thomas

- Richard Sherman

- Russell Wilson

It's possible Seattle doesn't re-sign Sherman, but Earl Thomas' role in that defense is significant (in fact, the defense doesn't work without him) and he can't become a FA. And there's no way in hell RW doesn't stay in Seattle for the entirety of his career.

And I think they'll find a way to re-sign Sherman too.

 

[cstu]

I have skimmed this thread now and again this summer.

The thing that keeps jumping out at me is the repeated mentions that Lynch's salary will become burdensome in the coming years.

I just don't see it. His salary just doesn't strike me as burdensome for the team. Maybe not a bargain, but not seeing where it becomes a cost center.

I do like Michael, but I figure Lynch will have to drop off or be outshone.

The following players will need contracts in the next two years:

- Earl Thomas

- Richard Sherman

- Russell Wilson

It's possible Seattle doesn't re-sign Sherman, but Earl Thomas' role in that defense is significant (in fact, the defense doesn't work without him) and he can't become a FA. And there's no way in hell RW doesn't stay in Seattle for the entirety of his career.

And I think they'll find a way to re-sign Sherman too.

The key being in two years. They don't need to cut Lynch next year and they only save $4M by doing so. 2015 is a different story since he has a $9M cap number and only $1.5M left from his signing bonus.

 

[TheFanatic]

I have skimmed this thread now and again this summer.

The thing that keeps jumping out at me is the repeated mentions that Lynch's salary will become burdensome in the coming years.

I just don't see it. His salary just doesn't strike me as burdensome for the team. Maybe not a bargain, but not seeing where it becomes a cost center.

I do like Michael, but I figure Lynch will have to drop off or be outshone.

The following players will need contracts in the next two years:

- Earl Thomas

- Richard Sherman

- Russell Wilson

It's possible Seattle doesn't re-sign Sherman, but Earl Thomas' role in that defense is significant (in fact, the defense doesn't work without him) and he can't become a FA. And there's no way in hell RW doesn't stay in Seattle for the entirety of his career.

And I think they'll find a way to re-sign Sherman too.

The key being in two years. They don't need to cut Lynch next year and they only save $4M by doing so. 2015 is a different story since he has a $9M cap number and only $1.5M left from his signing bonus.

But between now and 2015, the Seahawks have to see what they have in Michael. He will have to be tested. At some point Lynch will get dinged and they will keep him off the field so they can evaluate Michael.

 

[msommer]

Maybe it's me and just not understanding the contract or maybe its ROTO that has the contract info wrong, but I keep hearing about how Lynch has guaranteed money after 2014 and I just don't see it ... in the info posted http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/sea/

3/4/2012: Signed a four-year, $31 million contract. The deal contains $17 million guaranteed, including a $6 milling signing bonus and all of Lynch's first- and second-year base salaries. Another $1 million is available through incentives in the final two years based on 1,500-yard rushing seasons. 2013: $7 million, 2014: $5 million (+ $500,000 in per-game roster bonuses), 2015: $5.5 million (+ $2 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2016: Free Agent

Isn't that saying that only his first two years are guaranteed? And as he signed it in 2012, wouldn't those first two years be 2013 and 2014? Meaning he has no money guaranteed in 2015, right?

Now, you add in the likely suspension, if he ever goes to court and I am loving Michael as a Dynasty RB in 2014, not just 2015

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/marshawn-lynch/

Looks like no guaranteed money after this year. Roster bonus of 500K 2014 and 2m 2015. Cap effect of cutting after this year: 3m dead cap (but saving 5.5m salary+roster bonus in 2014)

 

[Englishteacher]

Just a value post.

12 team, 6 man keeper/dynasty league with 18 overall roster spots.

Draft was today with rookies and thrown back vets (guys left over after 72).

Got him at 1.08 after picking Lacy at 1.03.

 

[msudaisy26]

For sure. His trade value is close to being a starter now. I just made this trade this week in fact.

I gave up: Bell & Michael

I got: Miller, Randle, Bryce Brown Fleeced

Clearly Michael was a big part of what the other owner wanted. I think he has a great shot starting as early as next year.

Fixed

I actually LOL'ed that was clever and I don't think that was that bad of a trade

 

[bumpman]

Interesting Quote on Chris in the Seattle Times:

“It’s that delicate balance between his functional football playing ability and his makeup,” said
Louis Riddick, a longtime scout now working for ESPN. “You have to tie the two together so you
have someone who isn’t just going to tease you with potential and not turn that into sustainable
talent. And that’s what people were scared of with Christine.”

Riddick traveled to Texas A&M last season to watch tape of Michael and offensive tackles Luke
Joeckel and Jake Matthews. What he saw, right away, was the speed, the power, the ability to spin
away from a defender one second and break an arm tackle the next. He saw a starter given the
right situation.

“I thought he was the best running back in the draft at that time,” Riddick said.
While in Aggies land, Riddick talked with Larry Jackson, Texas A&M’s strength and conditioning
coach who also worked at Oklahoma when Adrian Peterson terrorized defenses. And what
Jackson told Riddick stunned him.

“He told me that from a functional explosiveness perspective that Christine was on the same level
as Adrian,” Riddick said. “When you’re talking about functional explosiveness — acceleration,
change of direction, force and impact on contact, breaking tackles — he said he’s the same as
Adrian. The only difference ... is that Adrian believed that he was unstoppable. He didn’t know if
Christine believed it yet.”
(When asked to verify his comments, Jackson said that’s exactly what he said.)

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2021724502_seahawks31xml.html

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Heard that Christine is missing a ton from the full game. He is in fact a dynamic player, but he is currently missing several key facets.

Thus why he is 3rd on the Seahawks chart.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Is he really the third string right now?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is he really the third string right now?

Yes, the Seahawks released their depth chart a day ago.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Is he really the third string right now?

Yes, the Seahawks released their depth chart a day ago.

any idea why? just because hes young and unproven?

 

[EBF]

Is he really the third string right now?

I wouldn't read much into it. Turbin is the veteran and the more polished contributor. I think he has some edge in the passing game for now.

Michael is a superior overall talent. I suspect they will find ways to get him involved, even if it's only 4-8 carries per game.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is he really the third string right now?

I wouldn't read much into it. Turbin is the veteran and the more polished contributor. I think he has some edge in the passing game for now.

He has some edges in the run game as well. A large one is not having the proclivity to lose big yards.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Is he really the third string right now?

Yes, the Seahawks released their depth chart a day ago.

any idea why? just because hes young and unproven?

He makes mistakes. He is kind of like a loose cannon... a very dynamic loose cannon. But the team has to be able to trust him, and right now they are a bit squeamish.