Christine Michael (2 Viewers)

[Grigs Allmoon]

I thought Michael was 3rd on the depth chart and Turbin ahead of him? Why aren't they talking about Turbin being in a RBBC or taking 1st team reps? I seem to remember that being a big argument against Michael very recently that he couldn't beat him out.

Because the veteran was given the nod as the backup until the former rookie developed.The former rookie is developing and if that continues he will pass the less talented veteran on the depth chart.

I'm guessing you couldn't tell there was a bit of sarcasm in that post of mine.

Sorry, I checked out of this thread when it was obvious the Turbin crowd wouldn't get it. I have no idea who is/was pro Michael and who is/was not.Michael may or may not develop, but how the Turbin crowd could not see this possibility made me want to reach through my computer screen and smack them.

There is no "Turbin crowd." There's definitely a "Michael crowd," and a crowd of "ehh we'll see how things shake out" types. But I have yet to see anyone going all in on Turbin anywhere.

I'm not going all in, but I really like Turbin, as well. I think he'll be around for several years. Whether he ever gets a true shot is another story...

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This will be a situation to monitor closely heading into this season, but more so next year.

Regardless I think many are getting super excited about Michael and they have a misguided mentality with him. I think many feel that if he was the feature back he would duplicate the numbers put up by Lynch. I think that is a big mistake. Many are not giving Lynch enough credit for who or what he has done. Lynch is an elite NFL running back and one that was taken with the 12 pick in the 2007 draft. He is an awesome 3 down RB that has great vision which makes him a perfect fit in Seattle's scheme. He also has proved to be extremely durable and can take the abuse of constant hits and has consistently ran through would be tacklers. He is also a great receiving back and has been the heart of Seattle's offense the last 3 years. As of today he is one of the top RB's in the game. Lynch could have been asked to do even more and catch more passes but Seattle opted to not throw him as many balls. What Lynch has done though over the last 3 years is unreal considering he has played on a team that has relied on him and been the main part of what defenses were trying to stop.

Even if Lynch is gone I don't think you can just plug Michael into RB 1 status as many on here are wishing/hoping. Michael has never had more than 166 carries in a season ever. He could not stay healthy in college. He also is a poor blocker and receiving threat. I get that he had some awesome measurable and he is looking good in june, but this hype train is getting out of control.

All Lynch has done the last 3 years is rush the ball 901 times, for 4051 yards and 35 tds. He also has added 87 receptions for 724 yards and 4 td's.

If you take Lynch's 3 year average per season it looks like this:

300 rush attempts

1350 rush yards

12 tds

29 receptions

241 receiving yards

1 receiving td.

Totals 1591 yards and 13 td's for a 3 year average and only 1 missed game.

Be Careful Seattle fans what you wish for. You may not know how good you had it until it is gone.

 

[Ed McCutcheon]

Writing is on the wall: This is the best time to 'sell high' on C-Mike in dynasty and 'buy low' on Marshawn in redraft.

Agree on the latter, but I'm not following you on the former. What sort of offers will the Michael crowd get? What they paid for him last year?

Run a search in the trade thread -- you might be surprised. Assuming the typical late rookie 1st last year acquisition cost, there's a great chance at strong ROI on him in the current market.

Just to mention it, I drafted Michael at 1.12 in a 14 team dynasty rookie draft last year. I also plan to hold onto him for now, but have not gotten any offers at all either.

 

[Neofight]

This will be a situation to monitor closely heading into this season, but more so next year.

Regardless I think many are getting super excited about Michael and they have a misguided mentality with him. I think many feel that if he was the feature back he would duplicate the numbers put up by Lynch. I think that is a big mistake. Many are not giving Lynch enough credit for who or what he has done. Lynch is an elite NFL running back and one that was taken with the 12 pick in the 2007 draft. He is an awesome 3 down RB that has great vision which makes him a perfect fit in Seattle's scheme. He also has proved to be extremely durable and can take the abuse of constant hits and has consistently ran through would be tacklers. He is also a great receiving back and has been the heart of Seattle's offense the last 3 years. As of today he is one of the top RB's in the game. Lynch could have been asked to do even more and catch more passes but Seattle opted to not throw him as many balls. What Lynch has done though over the last 3 years is unreal considering he has played on a team that has relied on him and been the main part of what defenses were trying to stop.

Even if Lynch is gone I don't think you can just plug Michael into RB 1 status as many on here are wishing/hoping. Michael has never had more than 166 carries in a season ever. He could not stay healthy in college. He also is a poor blocker and receiving threat. I get that he had some awesome measurable and he is looking good in june, but this hype train is getting out of control.

All Lynch has done the last 3 years is rush the ball 901 times, for 4051 yards and 35 tds. He also has added 87 receptions for 724 yards and 4 td's.

If you take Lynch's 3 year average per season it looks like this:

300 rush attempts

1350 rush yards

12 tds

29 receptions

241 receiving yards

1 receiving td.

Totals 1591 yards and 13 td's for a 3 year average and only 1 missed game.

Be Careful Seattle fans what you wish for. You may not know how good you had it until it is gone.

All of this is undeniable and why those who expected to see more of Michael in his rookie season were unrealistic in their expectations (or in their assessment of what him sitting meant for his future in Seattle).

All of this is also undeniably in the past. The question(s) now becomes how much longer Lynch can continue at that rate and how long he can hold off the competition. Sadly, Beast Mode won't last forever.

 

[Steed]

Lynch's contract runs through 2015. Looks like he has a $2M signing bonus in 2015. He'll be 29 this time next year. What are the chances this is his last year in Seattle?

My guess is that CM gets more carries so that he takes over as the lead back in 2015 and Lynch is given the "thanks for the memories, good luck wherever you land".

I think this is the likely scenario. 100% chance Lynch is either gone in 2015 or restructures. I'd put the changes at around 70% he's gone, 30% he restructures and sticks around.

If he only has 1 year left like he will heading into 2015, they can't restructure without adding years ie give him an extension. Complicating matters further, okung's contract is up the same year as lynch's. They're gonna have to dole out big money to their franchise qb and his blindside protector.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

This will be a situation to monitor closely heading into this season, but more so next year.

Regardless I think many are getting super excited about Michael and they have a misguided mentality with him. I think many feel that if he was the feature back he would duplicate the numbers put up by Lynch. I think that is a big mistake. Many are not giving Lynch enough credit for who or what he has done. Lynch is an elite NFL running back and one that was taken with the 12 pick in the 2007 draft. He is an awesome 3 down RB that has great vision which makes him a perfect fit in Seattle's scheme. He also has proved to be extremely durable and can take the abuse of constant hits and has consistently ran through would be tacklers. He is also a great receiving back and has been the heart of Seattle's offense the last 3 years. As of today he is one of the top RB's in the game. Lynch could have been asked to do even more and catch more passes but Seattle opted to not throw him as many balls. What Lynch has done though over the last 3 years is unreal considering he has played on a team that has relied on him and been the main part of what defenses were trying to stop.

Even if Lynch is gone I don't think you can just plug Michael into RB 1 status as many on here are wishing/hoping. Michael has never had more than 166 carries in a season ever. He could not stay healthy in college. He also is a poor blocker and receiving threat. I get that he had some awesome measurable and he is looking good in june, but this hype train is getting out of control.

All Lynch has done the last 3 years is rush the ball 901 times, for 4051 yards and 35 tds. He also has added 87 receptions for 724 yards and 4 td's.

If you take Lynch's 3 year average per season it looks like this:

300 rush attempts

1350 rush yards

12 tds

29 receptions

241 receiving yards

1 receiving td.

Totals 1591 yards and 13 td's for a 3 year average and only 1 missed game.

Be Careful Seattle fans what you wish for. You may not know how good you had it until it is gone.

All of this is undeniable and why those who expected to see more of Michael in his rookie season were unrealistic in their expectations (or in their assessment of what him sitting meant for his future in Seattle).All of this is also undeniably in the past. The question(s) now becomes how much longer Lynch can continue at that rate and how long he can hold off the competition. Sadly, Beast Mode won't last forever.

You missed the questions about Michael himself in there. Even if you're 100% sold on him as a running talent, we have no idea if he can hold up under a featured workload and whether he develops enough as a blocker and receiver to fully fill Lynch's shoes as a three down RB and thus a FF RB1.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

This will be a situation to monitor closely heading into this season, but more so next year.

Regardless I think many are getting super excited about Michael and they have a misguided mentality with him. I think many feel that if he was the feature back he would duplicate the numbers put up by Lynch. I think that is a big mistake. Many are not giving Lynch enough credit for who or what he has done. Lynch is an elite NFL running back and one that was taken with the 12 pick in the 2007 draft. He is an awesome 3 down RB that has great vision which makes him a perfect fit in Seattle's scheme. He also has proved to be extremely durable and can take the abuse of constant hits and has consistently ran through would be tacklers. He is also a great receiving back and has been the heart of Seattle's offense the last 3 years. As of today he is one of the top RB's in the game. Lynch could have been asked to do even more and catch more passes but Seattle opted to not throw him as many balls. What Lynch has done though over the last 3 years is unreal considering he has played on a team that has relied on him and been the main part of what defenses were trying to stop.

Even if Lynch is gone I don't think you can just plug Michael into RB 1 status as many on here are wishing/hoping. Michael has never had more than 166 carries in a season ever. He could not stay healthy in college. He also is a poor blocker and receiving threat. I get that he had some awesome measurable and he is looking good in june, but this hype train is getting out of control.

All Lynch has done the last 3 years is rush the ball 901 times, for 4051 yards and 35 tds. He also has added 87 receptions for 724 yards and 4 td's.

If you take Lynch's 3 year average per season it looks like this:

300 rush attempts

1350 rush yards

12 tds

29 receptions

241 receiving yards

1 receiving td.

Totals 1591 yards and 13 td's for a 3 year average and only 1 missed game.

Be Careful Seattle fans what you wish for. You may not know how good you had it until it is gone.

I'm not one that's extremely high on Michael, but I think that if he were inserted into the exact same situation (IE not 4 years later after the line has crumbled like Stewart in Carolina) and was able to stay healthy he could potentially exceed, not just match, the production of Lynch. And not just by a little bit.

 

[gianmarco]

I thought Michael was 3rd on the depth chart and Turbin ahead of him? Why aren't they talking about Turbin being in a RBBC or taking 1st team reps? I seem to remember that being a big argument against Michael very recently that he couldn't beat him out.

Because the veteran was given the nod as the backup until the former rookie developed.The former rookie is developing and if that continues he will pass the less talented veteran on the depth chart.

I'm guessing you couldn't tell there was a bit of sarcasm in that post of mine.

Sorry, I checked out of this thread when it was obvious the Turbin crowd wouldn't get it. I have no idea who is/was pro Michael and who is/was not.Michael may or may not develop, but how the Turbin crowd could not see this possibility made me want to reach through my computer screen and smack them.

There is no "Turbin crowd." There's definitely a "Michael crowd," and a crowd of "ehh we'll see how things shake out" types. But I have yet to see anyone going all in on Turbin anywhere.

Actually, there was plenty of "If Michael is so good, why can't he even beat out Turbin? Why is he inactive for most of the season if he's so good while Turbin is the backup? If Lynch goes down, it's going to be Turbin that has the duties, not Michael, as he's the one that's listed as RB2 and has been active for every game".

Well, Lynch is out at this point and it's Michael that's running with the 1's. So whatever happened to that argument from all the "anti-Michael" folks? They may not have been a "Turbin crowd", but they certainly used him to point out that Michael isn't as good as anyone thinks based on the fact that he's listed behind him. In only a few months, with nothing else changed, how's that viewpoint looking now?

 

[Ed McCutcheon]

I loves me some Christine Michael in FFB, too. But the fact remains that this is June. There is a VERY long list of players who reported in shape, looked fantastic, etc. in June, who have flopped come September. The fact that Robert Turbin is not reported to be getting first team reps right now may simply mean that the team wants to see how Michael responds at this early stage. The bottom line is that it could mean nothing, it could mean everything, it could mean something in between.

I would LOVE for Michael to get into a RBBC this coming season. My only "real" RB on my roster right now is Trent Richardson, so I'm desperately seeking another RB sooner than later. But until Michael gets more than OTA "first team reps" we simply can not assume anything. This is a good first step on a long journey to seeing Christine Michael eventually supplant Marshawn Lynch as the starting RB in Seattle. If we, as Christine Michael owners, are lucky that is. I am personally not getting overly excited about these reports. And I am not writing off Robert Turbin yet either. Although I do see him as more of a reserve or situational player for Seattle.

 

[Neofight]

This will be a situation to monitor closely heading into this season, but more so next year.

Regardless I think many are getting super excited about Michael and they have a misguided mentality with him. I think many feel that if he was the feature back he would duplicate the numbers put up by Lynch. I think that is a big mistake. Many are not giving Lynch enough credit for who or what he has done. Lynch is an elite NFL running back and one that was taken with the 12 pick in the 2007 draft. He is an awesome 3 down RB that has great vision which makes him a perfect fit in Seattle's scheme. He also has proved to be extremely durable and can take the abuse of constant hits and has consistently ran through would be tacklers. He is also a great receiving back and has been the heart of Seattle's offense the last 3 years. As of today he is one of the top RB's in the game. Lynch could have been asked to do even more and catch more passes but Seattle opted to not throw him as many balls. What Lynch has done though over the last 3 years is unreal considering he has played on a team that has relied on him and been the main part of what defenses were trying to stop.

Even if Lynch is gone I don't think you can just plug Michael into RB 1 status as many on here are wishing/hoping. Michael has never had more than 166 carries in a season ever. He could not stay healthy in college. He also is a poor blocker and receiving threat. I get that he had some awesome measurable and he is looking good in june, but this hype train is getting out of control.

All Lynch has done the last 3 years is rush the ball 901 times, for 4051 yards and 35 tds. He also has added 87 receptions for 724 yards and 4 td's.

If you take Lynch's 3 year average per season it looks like this:

300 rush attempts

1350 rush yards

12 tds

29 receptions

241 receiving yards

1 receiving td.

Totals 1591 yards and 13 td's for a 3 year average and only 1 missed game.

Be Careful Seattle fans what you wish for. You may not know how good you had it until it is gone.

All of this is undeniable and why those who expected to see more of Michael in his rookie season were unrealistic in their expectations (or in their assessment of what him sitting meant for his future in Seattle).All of this is also undeniably in the past. The question(s) now becomes how much longer Lynch can continue at that rate and how long he can hold off the competition. Sadly, Beast Mode won't last forever.

You missed the questions about Michael himself in there. Even if you're 100% sold on him as a running talent, we have no idea if he can hold up under a featured workload and whether he develops enough as a blocker and receiver to fully fill Lynch's shoes as a three down RB and thus a FF RB1.

I didn't miss it. I was merely commenting on his view on Lynch and stated the obvious. No one knows who is going to hold up to a consistent pounding in the NFL until they have the opportunity and do it. This seems fairly obvious as well.

Yes, I didn't comment on the blocking. Left some red meat for you there.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Bevell: "We are going to be running back by committee. We really like what Christine Michael is doing right now."

Looks like that tweet came from an ESPN NFL reporter who covers the Seahawks. Guy has 12k followers, so probably isn't just some clown: Terry Blount ‏@TerryBlountESPN 1h Bevell on Christine Michael: "He's somebody we're really excited about. He has breakaway speed and power behind his pads." Terry Blount ‏@TerryBlountESPN 49m Bevell: "We are going to be running back by committee. We really like what Christine Michael is doing right now." Hype train about to hit the warp drive.

Haha or Michael will get some carries and be active this year. Not that he will be the man. If he gets between 50-100 carries, is that going to change much?

If he looked good on those carries, it certainly would. It could lead to the team not bringing Lymch back in 2015 knowing they can rely on Michael and it would surely skyrocket his fantasy value through the roof.How would it not be a good thing?

ETA: well, I guess it wouldn't be a good thing if he didn't impress with those carries or he was constantly banged up on limited carries - but at least the Michael crowd would see what they have finally at least.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Can anyone point me to an elite runner that didn't eventually block well enough to get on the field as a team's lead back? Seems so lazy and cliched to me -- not sure it's EVER happened.

 

[humpback]

I loves me some Christine Michael in FFB, too. But the fact remains that this is June. There is a VERY long list of players who reported in shape, looked fantastic, etc. in June, who have flopped come September. The fact that Robert Turbin is not reported to be getting first team reps right now may simply mean that the team wants to see how Michael responds at this early stage. The bottom line is that it could mean nothing, it could mean everything, it could mean something in between.

I would LOVE for Michael to get into a RBBC this coming season. My only "real" RB on my roster right now is Trent Richardson, so I'm desperately seeking another RB sooner than later. But until Michael gets more than OTA "first team reps" we simply can not assume anything. This is a good first step on a long journey to seeing Christine Michael eventually supplant Marshawn Lynch as the starting RB in Seattle. If we, as Christine Michael owners, are lucky that is. I am personally not getting overly excited about these reports. And I am not writing off Robert Turbin yet either. Although I do see him as more of a reserve or situational player for Seattle.

How dare you remain rational!

 

[cr8f]

I thought Michael was 3rd on the depth chart and Turbin ahead of him? Why aren't they talking about Turbin being in a RBBC or taking 1st team reps? I seem to remember that being a big argument against Michael very recently that he couldn't beat him out.

Because the veteran was given the nod as the backup until the former rookie developed.The former rookie is developing and if that continues he will pass the less talented veteran on the depth chart.

I'm guessing you couldn't tell there was a bit of sarcasm in that post of mine.

Sorry, I checked out of this thread when it was obvious the Turbin crowd wouldn't get it. I have no idea who is/was pro Michael and who is/was not.Michael may or may not develop, but how the Turbin crowd could not see this possibility made me want to reach through my computer screen and smack them.

There is no "Turbin crowd." There's definitely a "Michael crowd," and a crowd of "ehh we'll see how things shake out" types. But I have yet to see anyone going all in on Turbin anywhere.

Actually, there was plenty of "If Michael is so good, why can't he even beat out Turbin? Why is he inactive for most of the season if he's so good while Turbin is the backup? If Lynch goes down, it's going to be Turbin that has the duties, not Michael, as he's the one that's listed as RB2 and has been active for every game".

Well, Lynch is out at this point and it's Michael that's running with the 1's. So whatever happened to that argument from all the "anti-Michael" folks? They may not have been a "Turbin crowd", but they certainly used him to point out that Michael isn't as good as anyone thinks based on the fact that he's listed behind him. In only a few months, with nothing else changed, how's that viewpoint looking now?

That was true last year(being inactive in games), but it is June so time will tell. Football is a long way away and if you don't have him it'll probably cost too much to land him now in dynasty. I doubt I'd trade him.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Can anyone point me to an elite runner that didn't eventually block well enough to get on the field as a team's lead back? Seems so lazy and cliched to me -- not sure it's EVER happened.

Plenty of RBs have had their FF value depressed through lack of use in the passing game, moreso as PPR scoring has become more prevalent. Whether due to crappy blocking, poor receiving, scheme, insert reason here. In PPR it's really hard for a RB to be a consistent RB1 if his involvement in the passing game is limited.

 

[LususV]

Writing is on the wall: This is the best time to 'sell high' on C-Mike in dynasty and 'buy low' on Marshawn in redraft.

Agree on the latter, but I'm not following you on the former. What sort of offers will the Michael crowd get? What they paid for him last year?

Run a search in the trade thread -- you might be surprised. Assuming the typical late rookie 1st last year acquisition cost, there's a great chance at strong ROI on him in the current market.

Just to mention it, I drafted Michael at 1.12 in a 14 team dynasty rookie draft last year. I also plan to hold onto him for now, but have not gotten any offers at all either.

No one even asking about availability?

He went 6.10 in my 14 team startup last year (team A)

Right after the startup:

Team A trades Christine Michael + 2014 2nd

for Montee Ball + 2014 1st + 2014 3rd

After Stacy's breakout in November:

Same team A trades Zac Stacy for Christine Michael straight up.

This April:

Team A trades Joe Flacco+Christine Michael+3.06

for Jay Cutler+1.11+1.14

That's one (admittedly high-trade) league.

After acquiring Lynch I asked about Michael and was told he's untouchable.

 

[Phenix]

This is how desperate Rotoworld is to belabor their point that they think Michael will be a stud. They had to re post it to share their point on Turbin.

After vowing to employ a "running back by committee" this season, Seahawks OC Darrell Bevell explained that second-year RB Christine Michael has improved at the "details" of his position.
Michael was active for just 4-of-16 games as a rookie because his pass blocking was inferior to Robert Turbin's. It sounds like the Seahawks have gained more trust in Michael's pass-game potential. "We are really excited now, what he's done," Bevell stated. Expect C-Mike to be active for every 2014 game. At very least, Bevell's words confirm Seattle regards Michael more highly than Turbin.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

FWIW, I took Michael at RB17 in two startups in the last couple weeks.

 

[bumpman]

I thought Michael was 3rd on the depth chart and Turbin ahead of him? Why aren't they talking about Turbin being in a RBBC or taking 1st team reps? I seem to remember that being a big argument against Michael very recently that he couldn't beat him out.

Because the veteran was given the nod as the backup until the former rookie developed.The former rookie is developing and if that continues he will pass the less talented veteran on the depth chart.

I'm guessing you couldn't tell there was a bit of sarcasm in that post of mine.

Sorry, I checked out of this thread when it was obvious the Turbin crowd wouldn't get it. I have no idea who is/was pro Michael and who is/was not.Michael may or may not develop, but how the Turbin crowd could not see this possibility made me want to reach through my computer screen and smack them.

There is no "Turbin crowd." There's definitely a "Michael crowd," and a crowd of "ehh we'll see how things shake out" types. But I have yet to see anyone going all in on Turbin anywhere.

Actually, there was plenty of "If Michael is so good, why can't he even beat out Turbin? Why is he inactive for most of the season if he's so good while Turbin is the backup? If Lynch goes down, it's going to be Turbin that has the duties, not Michael, as he's the one that's listed as RB2 and has been active for every game".

Well, Lynch is out at this point and it's Michael that's running with the 1's. So whatever happened to that argument from all the "anti-Michael" folks? They may not have been a "Turbin crowd", but they certainly used him to point out that Michael isn't as good as anyone thinks based on the fact that he's listed behind him. In only a few months, with nothing else changed, how's that viewpoint looking now?

To be fair, most of those comments happened before Turbin not only failed to capitalize on any of his carries, but also looked like a bumbling fool on special teams late in the season. The self-induced fumble is particularly bad.

http://cover32.com/seahawks/2013/12/23/game-balls-robert-turbin-hate-mail-edition/

 

[maxwelledison]

This will be a situation to monitor closely heading into this season, but more so next year.

Regardless I think many are getting super excited about Michael and they have a misguided mentality with him. I think many feel that if he was the feature back he would duplicate the numbers put up by Lynch. I think that is a big mistake. Many are not giving Lynch enough credit for who or what he has done. Lynch is an elite NFL running back and one that was taken with the 12 pick in the 2007 draft. He is an awesome 3 down RB that has great vision which makes him a perfect fit in Seattle's scheme. He also has proved to be extremely durable and can take the abuse of constant hits and has consistently ran through would be tacklers. He is also a great receiving back and has been the heart of Seattle's offense the last 3 years. As of today he is one of the top RB's in the game. Lynch could have been asked to do even more and catch more passes but Seattle opted to not throw him as many balls. What Lynch has done though over the last 3 years is unreal considering he has played on a team that has relied on him and been the main part of what defenses were trying to stop.

Even if Lynch is gone I don't think you can just plug Michael into RB 1 status as many on here are wishing/hoping. Michael has never had more than 166 carries in a season ever. He could not stay healthy in college. He also is a poor blocker and receiving threat. I get that he had some awesome measurable and he is looking good in june, but this hype train is getting out of control.

All Lynch has done the last 3 years is rush the ball 901 times, for 4051 yards and 35 tds. He also has added 87 receptions for 724 yards and 4 td's.

If you take Lynch's 3 year average per season it looks like this:

300 rush attempts

1350 rush yards

12 tds

29 receptions

241 receiving yards

1 receiving td.

Totals 1591 yards and 13 td's for a 3 year average and only 1 missed game.

Be Careful Seattle fans what you wish for. You may not know how good you had it until it is gone.

I'm a CM guy but this is a great post. It would be unwise to forget how good Lynch is and to assume this is strictly a plug and play situation.

 

[EBF]

Lynch wasn't touted as this world-beater after a year or two on the Bills. I agree that he was always very good. The draft slot and the Seattle years are proof of that. No doubt he has benefited from the new surroundings though. A lot of these same people defending him as an irreplaceable stud would've said he's just a guy during the Buffalo years. I think Michael may be a more explosive pure runner. He certainly has a more freaky fast-twitch. However, Lynch has proven extremely durable and that's probably the #1 legitimate issue with Michael. Thing is, if he becomes the starter and has 4-5 good games then already his value will be exponentially higher than it is today. At that point if you're freaked out about the durability issues then you can send him on his way for a tidy profit.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah those are Lynch numbers minus 1000 carries. If you look at how Lynch was/is trending you are not going to get that same production from him. He "was" a great RB but they all fall off a cliff at some point and he's real close to that point. If Seattle's smart they are going to limit his carries this year, get Michael some much needed experience, save Lynch for the playoffs, and then let him walk after the year is up. Some bad team will pick him up and he will suck because he's going to be done just like Steven Jackson in Atlanta.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Aging is a funny thing... some guys are done at 29 and others make it to 32/33 (hi, Fred Jackson!). Paying "one or two more years" prices at 28 is a good bet on average if you're dealing with a good back and he's not already injured.

Happy to pick up Lynch for this off-season in a couple leagues, especially where I already own Michael. Stranger things have happened than seeing Lynch stick around after this year. It's absolutely possible Michael has to wait and/or that he picks up an injury this year that makes Seattle leery about letting him go.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Yeah those are Lynch numbers minus 1000 carries. If you look at how Lynch was/is trending you are not going to get that same production from him. He "was" a great RB but they all fall off a cliff at some point and he's real close to that point. If Seattle's smart they are going to limit his carries this year, get Michael some much needed experience, save Lynch for the playoffs, and then let him walk after the year is up. Some bad team will pick him up and he will suck because he's going to be done just like Steven Jackson in Atlanta.

Marshawn Lynch just turned 28 last month. He could easily have 2 - 3 strong years left in him. The preferred outcome for Seattle is probably that Lynch renegotiates his deal after this year and sticks around a while. He's a big part of that team in more ways than just what he does running the ball.

 

[maxwelledison]

Lynch wasn't touted as this world-beater after a year or two on the Bills. I agree that he was always very good. The draft slot and the Seattle years are proof of that. No doubt he has benefited from the new surroundings though. A lot of these same people defending him as an irreplaceable stud would've said he's just a guy during the Buffalo years. I think Michael may be a more explosive pure runner. He certainly has a more freaky fast-twitch. However, Lynch has proven extremely durable and that's probably the #1 legitimate issue with Michael. Thing is, if he becomes the starter and has 4-5 good games then already his value will be exponentially higher than it is today. At that point if you're freaked out about the durability issues then you can send him on his way for a tidy profit.

Extremists aside, I don't think anyone is saying Lynch is ADP or any other transcendent talent. However, at some point production is production; I think it's fair to say that he is closer to special than he is to (merely) very good.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah those are Lynch numbers minus 1000 carries. If you look at how Lynch was/is trending you are not going to get that same production from him. He "was" a great RB but they all fall off a cliff at some point and he's real close to that point. If Seattle's smart they are going to limit his carries this year, get Michael some much needed experience, save Lynch for the playoffs, and then let him walk after the year is up. Some bad team will pick him up and he will suck because he's going to be done just like Steven Jackson in Atlanta.

Marshawn Lynch just turned 28 last month. He could easily have 2 - 3 strong years left in him. The preferred outcome for Seattle is probably that Lynch renegotiates his deal after this year and sticks around a while. He's a big part of that team in more ways than just what he does running the ball.

Can you give me some examples of 29 year old RB's that have like 1250+ carries over the last 4 years of their career that had exceptional seasons after that? That's what's going to be staring Seattle and Lynch owners in the face this time next year.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Can you give me some examples of 29 year old RB's that have like 1250+ carries over the last 4 years of their career that had exceptional seasons after that? That's what's going to be staring Seattle and Lynch owners in the face this time next year.

LaDainian Tomlinson
Shaun Alexander
Emmitt Smith
Eric Dickerson
Edgerrin James
Curtis Martin
Eddie George
Jerome Bettis

Couple of these guys were low-efficiency high-volume only after age 28, but the guys who meet your criteria are basically a who's who of RBs who played into advanced age.

 

[karmarooster]

Yeah those are Lynch numbers minus 1000 carries. If you look at how Lynch was/is trending you are not going to get that same production from him. He "was" a great RB but they all fall off a cliff at some point and he's real close to that point. If Seattle's smart they are going to limit his carries this year, get Michael some much needed experience, save Lynch for the playoffs, and then let him walk after the year is up. Some bad team will pick him up and he will suck because he's going to be done just like Steven Jackson in Atlanta.

Marshawn Lynch just turned 28 last month. He could easily have 2 - 3 strong years left in him. The preferred outcome for Seattle is probably that Lynch renegotiates his deal after this year and sticks around a while. He's a big part of that team in more ways than just what he does running the ball.

Can you give me some examples of 29 year old RB's that have like 1250+ carries over the last 4 years of their career that had exceptional seasons after that? That's what's going to be staring Seattle and Lynch owners in the face this time next year.

Playing Devil's advocate here, but Frank Gore. 4 seasons in a row of 1,000+ yards rushing, then got old and hurt in 2010... before coming back with 3 straight 1,100 yard seasons, around age 28-29-30.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Yeah those are Lynch numbers minus 1000 carries. If you look at how Lynch was/is trending you are not going to get that same production from him. He "was" a great RB but they all fall off a cliff at some point and he's real close to that point. If Seattle's smart they are going to limit his carries this year, get Michael some much needed experience, save Lynch for the playoffs, and then let him walk after the year is up. Some bad team will pick him up and he will suck because he's going to be done just like Steven Jackson in Atlanta.

Marshawn Lynch just turned 28 last month. He could easily have 2 - 3 strong years left in him. The preferred outcome for Seattle is probably that Lynch renegotiates his deal after this year and sticks around a while. He's a big part of that team in more ways than just what he does running the ball.

Can you give me some examples of 29 year old RB's that have like 1250+ carries over the last 4 years of their career that had exceptional seasons after that? That's what's going to be staring Seattle and Lynch owners in the face this time next year.

On my phone, so you'll have to look it up yourself. Drinen's website is a pretty good place to start for good historical player comps. There are a ton of great players out there that had effective seasons at RB at 29 years old.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Aging is a funny thing... some guys are done at 29 and others make it to 32/33 (hi, Fred Jackson!). Paying "one or two more years" prices at 28 is a good bet on average if you're dealing with a good back and he's not already injured.

Happy to pick up Lynch for this off-season in a couple leagues, especially where I already own Michael. Stranger things have happened than seeing Lynch stick around after this year. It's absolutely possible Michael has to wait and/or that he picks up an injury this year that makes Seattle leery about letting him go.

The problem is that, while "one or two more years" prices will be available in fantasy they likely won't in real life. Without being in Seattle Lynch's value would take an immediate, huge hit.

 

[ex-ghost]

Listening to local Seattle radio this morning. They said that Lynch told teammates that if they won the Super Bowl he might retire. If anyone were to do that, it would be Marshawn. Strange dude.

 

[Milkman]

Can you give me some examples of 29 year old RB's that have like 1250+ carries over the last 4 years of their career that had exceptional seasons after that? That's what's going to be staring Seattle and Lynch owners in the face this time next year.

LaDainian Tomlinson
Shaun Alexander
Emmitt Smith
Eric Dickerson
Edgerrin James
Curtis Martin
Eddie George
Jerome Bettis

Couple of these guys were low-efficiency high-volume only after age 28, but the guys who meet your criteria are basically a who's who of RBs who played into advanced age.

You mention this in your comment but LT averaged 3.8 yards per attempt. Do you think he gets 292 carries with Christine Michael sitting behind him? The fact is he wasn't the same LT after all those carries. Same with Eddie George, Shawn Alexander, and Edgerrin James.

Looks like Emmit Smith, Eric Dickerson, Curtis Martin, and Jerome Bettis. 4 dude's in 50 years or something crazy like that. Yeah I think I'd sell Lynch now if owned him. No way he's in Seattle next year.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Can you give me some examples of 29 year old RB's that have like 1250+ carries over the last 4 years of their career that had exceptional seasons after that? That's what's going to be staring Seattle and Lynch owners in the face this time next year.

LaDainian Tomlinson
Shaun Alexander
Emmitt Smith
Eric Dickerson
Edgerrin James
Curtis Martin
Eddie George
Jerome Bettis

Couple of these guys were low-efficiency high-volume only after age 28, but the guys who meet your criteria are basically a who's who of RBs who played into advanced age.

You mention this in your comment but LT averaged 3.8 yards per attempt. Do you think he gets 292 carries with Christine Michael sitting behind him? The fact is he wasn't the same LT after all those carries. Same with Eddie George, Shawn Alexander, and Edgerrin James.

Looks like Emmit Smith, Eric Dickerson, Curtis Martin, and Jerome Bettis. 4 dude's in 50 years or something crazy like that. Yeah I think I'd sell Lynch now if owned him. No way he's in Seattle next year.

Thomas Jones had his best seasons at age 30 and 31

 

[Shutout]

No dog in this fight but I generally look at individual scenarios and also compare them to how peers are viewed to get a better picture of what "reality" is.

A guy like Adrian Peterson had a hell of a workload and will always and forever get a pass. Ok, fine.

A list of notable (and mostly hof'ers) were productive with the criteria someone asked for. The other side of that coin is that there are many, many, many who have conversely went the route of "got old quick" and is the road much more travelled.

Ray rice and Arian Foster were both studs with workloads as heavy as lynch the last few years and, even at being younger at the time, fell hard, fell fast, and their ff value plummeted.

Lynch is in that same boat, reasonably, I think. So I tend to agree with the folks that are concerned because if there are five scenarios here, four of them are negative to extreme negative.

The contract alone pretty much dictates that this time next year we will be talking about a 29 year old running back with high miles and probably a new team. Mono longer a focal point in a known system and clearly at the tail end (and possibly with a young player drafted).

 

[spider321]

Thomas Jones had his best seasons at age 30 and 31

...and the other 99.9% of rb's had their best seasons before they were 29/30.

 

[Eminence]

I see no harm drafting Michael late and hoping Lynch misses a game or two. But it's clear that the consensus is that this kid has talent. He's 1 more year developed, Lynch is one year older, and the Coach has said he's going to give Michael more carries this year.

If he goes into late-late rounds, I'll snag him before I snag my first Kicker (possibly Defense). If Lynch misses a game, instant production. The Seahawks are such a dominant team to the point where they probably can sustain a two-back attack. In fact, it might be in the interest of keeping Marshawn Lynch healthy to try and make this two Running Back thing work in Seattle.

Lynch is obviously the guy but the door has been cracked open for Christine Michael, a guy who I think is immensely talented and if he's working out with the players on Seattle; the dude is probably more ripped than his college days. You've got to love what Seattle is doing, with Pete Carroll they're going to be a perennial playoff team. Even if that Defense struggles, Russell Wilson is more than competent enough to slug it out.

 

[Phenix]

I see no harm drafting Michael late and hoping Lynch misses a game or two. But it's clear that the consensus is that this kid has talent. He's 1 more year developed, Lynch is one year older, and the Coach has said he's going to give Michael more carries this year.

If he goes into late-late rounds, I'll snag him before I snag my first Kicker (possibly Defense). If Lynch misses a game, instant production. The Seahawks are such a dominant team to the point where they probably can sustain a two-back attack. In fact, it might be in the interest of keeping Marshawn Lynch healthy to try and make this two Running Back thing work in Seattle.

Lynch is obviously the guy but the door has been cracked open for Christine Michael, a guy who I think is immensely talented and if he's working out with the players on Seattle; the dude is probably more ripped than his college days. You've got to love what Seattle is doing, with Pete Carroll they're going to be a perennial playoff team. Even if that Defense struggles, Russell Wilson is more than competent enough to slug it out.

You see nothing wrong with that?

 

[Eminence]

I see no harm drafting Michael late and hoping Lynch misses a game or two. But it's clear that the consensus is that this kid has talent. He's 1 more year developed, Lynch is one year older, and the Coach has said he's going to give Michael more carries this year.

If he goes into late-late rounds, I'll snag him before I snag my first Kicker (possibly Defense). If Lynch misses a game, instant production. The Seahawks are such a dominant team to the point where they probably can sustain a two-back attack. In fact, it might be in the interest of keeping Marshawn Lynch healthy to try and make this two Running Back thing work in Seattle.

Lynch is obviously the guy but the door has been cracked open for Christine Michael, a guy who I think is immensely talented and if he's working out with the players on Seattle; the dude is probably more ripped than his college days. You've got to love what Seattle is doing, with Pete Carroll they're going to be a perennial playoff team. Even if that Defense struggles, Russell Wilson is more than competent enough to slug it out.

You see nothing wrong with that?

It's a joke, of course. But players get hurt, especially at the Running Back position. Just saying, I would love to draft Christine Michael before the guy who drafts Marshawn Lynch does.

 

[Phenix]

I see no harm drafting Michael late and hoping Lynch misses a game or two. But it's clear that the consensus is that this kid has talent. He's 1 more year developed, Lynch is one year older, and the Coach has said he's going to give Michael more carries this year.

If he goes into late-late rounds, I'll snag him before I snag my first Kicker (possibly Defense). If Lynch misses a game, instant production. The Seahawks are such a dominant team to the point where they probably can sustain a two-back attack. In fact, it might be in the interest of keeping Marshawn Lynch healthy to try and make this two Running Back thing work in Seattle.

Lynch is obviously the guy but the door has been cracked open for Christine Michael, a guy who I think is immensely talented and if he's working out with the players on Seattle; the dude is probably more ripped than his college days. You've got to love what Seattle is doing, with Pete Carroll they're going to be a perennial playoff team. Even if that Defense struggles, Russell Wilson is more than competent enough to slug it out.

You see nothing wrong with that?

It's a joke, of course. But players get hurt, especially at the Running Back position. Just saying, I would love to draft Christine Michael before the guy who drafts Marshawn Lynch does.

I would hate to see how much bad karma you bring yourself in the injury department. Rule number one is never wish a injury on a player, bad mojo all over that.

 

[Eminence]

I see no harm drafting Michael late and hoping Lynch misses a game or two. But it's clear that the consensus is that this kid has talent. He's 1 more year developed, Lynch is one year older, and the Coach has said he's going to give Michael more carries this year.

If he goes into late-late rounds, I'll snag him before I snag my first Kicker (possibly Defense). If Lynch misses a game, instant production. The Seahawks are such a dominant team to the point where they probably can sustain a two-back attack. In fact, it might be in the interest of keeping Marshawn Lynch healthy to try and make this two Running Back thing work in Seattle.

Lynch is obviously the guy but the door has been cracked open for Christine Michael, a guy who I think is immensely talented and if he's working out with the players on Seattle; the dude is probably more ripped than his college days. You've got to love what Seattle is doing, with Pete Carroll they're going to be a perennial playoff team. Even if that Defense struggles, Russell Wilson is more than competent enough to slug it out.

You see nothing wrong with that?

It's a joke, of course. But players get hurt, especially at the Running Back position. Just saying, I would love to draft Christine Michael before the guy who drafts Marshawn Lynch does.

I would hate to see how much bad karma you bring yourself in the injury department. Rule number one is never wish a injury on a player, bad mojo all over that.

Hey man, the guy is a thug. Maybe I meant he could get suspended?

 

[cstu]

I see no harm drafting Michael late and hoping Lynch misses a game or two. But it's clear that the consensus is that this kid has talent. He's 1 more year developed, Lynch is one year older, and the Coach has said he's going to give Michael more carries this year.

If he goes into late-late rounds, I'll snag him before I snag my first Kicker (possibly Defense). If Lynch misses a game, instant production. The Seahawks are such a dominant team to the point where they probably can sustain a two-back attack. In fact, it might be in the interest of keeping Marshawn Lynch healthy to try and make this two Running Back thing work in Seattle.

Lynch is obviously the guy but the door has been cracked open for Christine Michael, a guy who I think is immensely talented and if he's working out with the players on Seattle; the dude is probably more ripped than his college days. You've got to love what Seattle is doing, with Pete Carroll they're going to be a perennial playoff team. Even if that Defense struggles, Russell Wilson is more than competent enough to slug it out.

You see nothing wrong with that?

It's a joke, of course. But players get hurt, especially at the Running Back position. Just saying, I would love to draft Christine Michael before the guy who drafts Marshawn Lynch does.

I would hate to see how much bad karma you bring yourself in the injury department. Rule number one is never wish a injury on a player, bad mojo all over that.

Hey man, the guy is a thug. Maybe I meant he could get suspended?

Lynch or Michael?

 

[LususV]

No dog in this fight but I generally look at individual scenarios and also compare them to how peers are viewed to get a better picture of what "reality" is.

A guy like Adrian Peterson had a hell of a workload and will always and forever get a pass. Ok, fine.

A list of notable (and mostly hof'ers) were productive with the criteria someone asked for. The other side of that coin is that there are many, many, many who have conversely went the route of "got old quick" and is the road much more travelled.

Ray rice and Arian Foster were both studs with workloads as heavy as lynch the last few years and, even at being younger at the time, fell hard, fell fast, and their ff value plummeted.

Lynch is in that same boat, reasonably, I think. So I tend to agree with the folks that are concerned because if there are five scenarios here, four of them are negative to extreme negative.

The contract alone pretty much dictates that this time next year we will be talking about a 29 year old running back with high miles and probably a new team. Mono longer a focal point in a known system and clearly at the tail end (and possibly with a young player drafted).

Foster was productive when he played last year. Hasn't hit the wall unless he keeps getting hurt.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

I see no harm drafting Michael late and hoping Lynch misses a game or two. But it's clear that the consensus is that this kid has talent. He's 1 more year developed, Lynch is one year older, and the Coach has said he's going to give Michael more carries this year.

If he goes into late-late rounds, I'll snag him before I snag my first Kicker (possibly Defense). If Lynch misses a game, instant production. The Seahawks are such a dominant team to the point where they probably can sustain a two-back attack. In fact, it might be in the interest of keeping Marshawn Lynch healthy to try and make this two Running Back thing work in Seattle.

Lynch is obviously the guy but the door has been cracked open for Christine Michael, a guy who I think is immensely talented and if he's working out with the players on Seattle; the dude is probably more ripped than his college days. You've got to love what Seattle is doing, with Pete Carroll they're going to be a perennial playoff team. Even if that Defense struggles, Russell Wilson is more than competent enough to slug it out.

You see nothing wrong with that?

The only thing I see wrong is that he refers to drafting a first kicker, which implies the inevitability of drafting a second kicker as well.

 

[miqws]

Go to take away #2, some more flag football highlights if you follow the link.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000356362/article/eight-takeaways-from-thursdays-otas

 

[tdmills]

This will be a situation to monitor closely heading into this season, but more so next year.

Regardless I think many are getting super excited about Michael and they have a misguided mentality with him. I think many feel that if he was the feature back he would duplicate the numbers put up by Lynch. I think that is a big mistake. Many are not giving Lynch enough credit for who or what he has done. Lynch is an elite NFL running back and one that was taken with the 12 pick in the 2007 draft. He is an awesome 3 down RB that has great vision which makes him a perfect fit in Seattle's scheme. He also has proved to be extremely durable and can take the abuse of constant hits and has consistently ran through would be tacklers. He is also a great receiving back and has been the heart of Seattle's offense the last 3 years. As of today he is one of the top RB's in the game. Lynch could have been asked to do even more and catch more passes but Seattle opted to not throw him as many balls. What Lynch has done though over the last 3 years is unreal considering he has played on a team that has relied on him and been the main part of what defenses were trying to stop.

Even if Lynch is gone I don't think you can just plug Michael into RB 1 status as many on here are wishing/hoping. Michael has never had more than 166 carries in a season ever. He could not stay healthy in college. He also is a poor blocker and receiving threat. I get that he had some awesome measurable and he is looking good in june, but this hype train is getting out of control.

All Lynch has done the last 3 years is rush the ball 901 times, for 4051 yards and 35 tds. He also has added 87 receptions for 724 yards and 4 td's.

If you take Lynch's 3 year average per season it looks like this:

300 rush attempts

1350 rush yards

12 tds

29 receptions

241 receiving yards

1 receiving td.

Totals 1591 yards and 13 td's for a 3 year average and only 1 missed game.

Be Careful Seattle fans what you wish for. You may not know how good you had it until it is gone.

I'm not one that's extremely high on Michael, but I think that if he were inserted into the exact same situation (IE not 4 years later after the line has crumbled like Stewart in Carolina) and was able to stay healthy he could potentially exceed, not just match, the production of Lynch. And not just by a little bit.

You don't think exceeding Lynch's numbers by more than a little bit isn't being extremely high on Michael?

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more the last 3 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more and had at least 11 rushing TDs the last 2 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

Do you still think that Christine Michael isn't just going to match producing at the highest/most consistent level in the NFL....but exceed it?

A few things I don't agree with the Pro-Michael's crowd on:

1) College production

-Often I hear that he produced great at times in college and I just don't agree. Lets just look at his teammate for his first 3 years in college as a comparison. Cyrus Gray played at Texas A&M at RB during the same time, except Michael's senior season.

Christine Michael in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 529 attempts for 2791 yards 5.3 34 TDs, 44 receptions for 323 yards 7.3 1 TD

Cyrus Gray in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 623 attempts for 3298 yards 5.2 30 TDs, 103 receptions for 776 yards 7.5 6 TD

If Michael produced good/great at times, then why isn't Gray getting hyped for producing arguably the same/better numbers?

-For those wondering Gray was a 6th round NFL pick by the Chiefs with 16 career rushing attempts in the NFL at this point.

2) Christine Michael's awesome 2013 NFL preseason.

-I've heard EBF bring up this point often, so I decided to research it recently.

2013 NFL Preseason rushing leaders:

Khiry Robinson 49 attempts for 228 yards 4.7 0 TD

Jordan Todman 29 attempts for 223 yards 7.7 2 TD

Joseph Randle 55 attempts for 215 yards 3.9 1 TD

Christine Michael 40 attempts for 201 yards 5 1 TD

Cierre Wood 35 attempts for 191 yards 5.5 0 TD

Do Michael's numbers stand out from the rest? Why is his preseason so much better than others on this list? He is the highest drafted RB from this list, so he should be expected to put up better numbers than the rest of the group vs 2nd/3rd/4th stringers...but he didn't.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Hidden behind the foggy data, there is just a mysterious sense that Michael is a star. Sometimes historical data and situation are unyielding when pinpointing value... yet with Michael I still feel like he has "it". I cannot prove "it" to anyone in an intelligent way, so I'll just throw it out there that sometimes it's a gut call. Michael will be a star. How can anyone quantify the magic that Adrian Peterson has without the numbers? Admittedly the hype over Michael is escalating... but it's with good reason.

Data will prove it once we read that chapter... until then, it's Lynch.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

You don't think exceeding Lynch's numbers by more than a little bit isn't being extremely high on Michael?

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more the last 3 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more and had at least 11 rushing TDs the last 2 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

Do you still think that Christine Michael isn't just going to match producing at the highest/most consistent level in the NFL....but exceed it?

Lynch has done a great job of staying healthy on a team with that likes to run a lot, has a great run-blocking line to run behind, and has a lot of scoring opportunities.

Lynch is a good running back in a great situation. I think we've seen enough of him when not in a great situation to know that he's not the kind of elite back that can dominate anywhere. If Michael is that guy, as many expect, then I'd expect him to do better when placed into an equally great situation.

Lynch's YPC has been solid but unspectacular in his time in Seattle. Couple that with a lot of attempts on a team with a good line and you've got your rushing yards. Lynch also has the most rush attempts from inside the 5 yard line of any running back in the last 3 years. Couple that with an average conversion percentage (exactly equal to that of Benjarvis Green-Ellis) and you have your TDs.

That's not meant to diminish Lynch. I believe he's a very good running back. However he's not some elite untouchable force who's production can't be replicated by a guy that many believe to be elite (and more of a game-breaker) if that other guy is placed into a similarly great situation. Of course, the problem with counting on that from Michael is not only that he has to be as elite as people think he can be, but he also needs to do it before Seattle turns into less of a great situation. As we've seen a lot recently, these great situations often don't last and I think there is a legitimate fear that we'll see somewhat of a repeat of Carolina, where a guy like Stewart spent so much time on the bench that by the time he was given the starting role the team had morphed from the best place for a fantasy running back to play to one of the worst.

It's far from a lock to think that the Seattle offense won't be a blackhole for fantasy players in a mere two years. We've seen it recently with other run-first teams like the Jets and Panthers that went from being the ideal place for a fantasy RB to land to a fantasy wasteland very quickly.

 

[Casting Couch]

You don't think exceeding Lynch's numbers by more than a little bit isn't being extremely high on Michael?

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more the last 3 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more and had at least 11 rushing TDs the last 2 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

Do you still think that Christine Michael isn't just going to match producing at the highest/most consistent level in the NFL....but exceed it?

Lynch has done a great job of staying healthy on a team with that likes to run a lot, has a great run-blocking line to run behind, and has a lot of scoring opportunities.

Lynch is a good running back in a great situation. I think we've seen enough of him when not in a great situation to know that he's not the kind of elite back that can dominate anywhere. If Michael is that guy, as many expect, then I'd expect him to do better when placed into an equally great situation.

Lynch's YPC has been solid but unspectacular in his time in Seattle. Couple that with a lot of attempts on a team with a good line and you've got your rushing yards. Lynch also has the most rush attempts from inside the 5 yard line of any running back in the last 3 years. Couple that with an average conversion percentage (exactly equal to that of Benjarvis Green-Ellis) and you have your TDs.

That's not meant to diminish Lynch. I believe he's a very good running back. However he's not some elite untouchable force who's production can't be replicated by a guy that many believe to be elite (and more of a game-breaker) if that other guy is placed into a similarly great situation. Of course, the problem with counting on that from Michael is not only that he has to be as elite as people think he can be, but he also needs to do it before Seattle turns into less of a great situation. As we've seen a lot recently, these great situations often don't last and I think there is a legitimate fear that we'll see somewhat of a repeat of Carolina, where a guy like Stewart spent so much time on the bench that by the time he was given the starting role the team had morphed from the best place for a fantasy running back to play to one of the worst.

It's far from a lock to think that the Seattle offense won't be a blackhole for fantasy players in a mere two years. We've seen it recently with other run-first teams like the Jets and Panthers that went from being the ideal place for a fantasy RB to land to a fantasy wasteland very quickly.

Seattle has completely dominated the NFL with the philsophy of run early, run often, and it's highly unlikely we will see this change anytime soon.

Carolina morphing from one of the best running teams to one of the worst cannot be compared to thie current Seattle team.

This team is built to run, and it won the SB on the back of Lynch. , I'm not saying you can plug an play anyone into the position, but I am saying that

this situation doesn't resemble Carolina in the least. And the RBs running the ball for SEA will be fantasy gold for the foreseeable future.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

You don't think exceeding Lynch's numbers by more than a little bit isn't being extremely high on Michael?

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more the last 3 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more and had at least 11 rushing TDs the last 2 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

Do you still think that Christine Michael isn't just going to match producing at the highest/most consistent level in the NFL....but exceed it?

Lynch has done a great job of staying healthy on a team with that likes to run a lot, has a great run-blocking line to run behind, and has a lot of scoring opportunities.

Lynch is a good running back in a great situation. I think we've seen enough of him when not in a great situation to know that he's not the kind of elite back that can dominate anywhere. If Michael is that guy, as many expect, then I'd expect him to do better when placed into an equally great situation.

Lynch's YPC has been solid but unspectacular in his time in Seattle. Couple that with a lot of attempts on a team with a good line and you've got your rushing yards. Lynch also has the most rush attempts from inside the 5 yard line of any running back in the last 3 years. Couple that with an average conversion percentage (exactly equal to that of Benjarvis Green-Ellis) and you have your TDs.

That's not meant to diminish Lynch. I believe he's a very good running back. However he's not some elite untouchable force who's production can't be replicated by a guy that many believe to be elite (and more of a game-breaker) if that other guy is placed into a similarly great situation. Of course, the problem with counting on that from Michael is not only that he has to be as elite as people think he can be, but he also needs to do it before Seattle turns into less of a great situation. As we've seen a lot recently, these great situations often don't last and I think there is a legitimate fear that we'll see somewhat of a repeat of Carolina, where a guy like Stewart spent so much time on the bench that by the time he was given the starting role the team had morphed from the best place for a fantasy running back to play to one of the worst.

It's far from a lock to think that the Seattle offense won't be a blackhole for fantasy players in a mere two years. We've seen it recently with other run-first teams like the Jets and Panthers that went from being the ideal place for a fantasy RB to land to a fantasy wasteland very quickly.

Seattle has completely dominated the NFL with the philsophy of run early, run often, and it's highly unlikely we will see this change anytime soon.

Carolina morphing from one of the best running teams to one of the worst cannot be compared to thie current Seattle team.

This team is built to run, and it won the SB on the back of Lynch. , I'm not saying you can plug an play anyone into the position, but I am saying that

this situation doesn't resemble Carolina in the least. And the RBs running the ball for SEA will be fantasy gold for the foreseeable future.

And Carolina wasn't built to run, investing half its cap in running backs and most of the rest in its offensive line?

ETA: Seattle, by the way, has a hot young QB, just gave away a ton for an elite young WR, and drafted another WR in the first round this year.

 

[Casting Couch]

You don't think exceeding Lynch's numbers by more than a little bit isn't being extremely high on Michael?

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more the last 3 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more and had at least 11 rushing TDs the last 2 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

Do you still think that Christine Michael isn't just going to match producing at the highest/most consistent level in the NFL....but exceed it?

Lynch has done a great job of staying healthy on a team with that likes to run a lot, has a great run-blocking line to run behind, and has a lot of scoring opportunities.

Lynch is a good running back in a great situation. I think we've seen enough of him when not in a great situation to know that he's not the kind of elite back that can dominate anywhere. If Michael is that guy, as many expect, then I'd expect him to do better when placed into an equally great situation.

Lynch's YPC has been solid but unspectacular in his time in Seattle. Couple that with a lot of attempts on a team with a good line and you've got your rushing yards. Lynch also has the most rush attempts from inside the 5 yard line of any running back in the last 3 years. Couple that with an average conversion percentage (exactly equal to that of Benjarvis Green-Ellis) and you have your TDs.

That's not meant to diminish Lynch. I believe he's a very good running back. However he's not some elite untouchable force who's production can't be replicated by a guy that many believe to be elite (and more of a game-breaker) if that other guy is placed into a similarly great situation. Of course, the problem with counting on that from Michael is not only that he has to be as elite as people think he can be, but he also needs to do it before Seattle turns into less of a great situation. As we've seen a lot recently, these great situations often don't last and I think there is a legitimate fear that we'll see somewhat of a repeat of Carolina, where a guy like Stewart spent so much time on the bench that by the time he was given the starting role the team had morphed from the best place for a fantasy running back to play to one of the worst.

It's far from a lock to think that the Seattle offense won't be a blackhole for fantasy players in a mere two years. We've seen it recently with other run-first teams like the Jets and Panthers that went from being the ideal place for a fantasy RB to land to a fantasy wasteland very quickly.

Seattle has completely dominated the NFL with the philsophy of run early, run often, and it's highly unlikely we will see this change anytime soon.

Carolina morphing from one of the best running teams to one of the worst cannot be compared to thie current Seattle team.

This team is built to run, and it won the SB on the back of Lynch. , I'm not saying you can plug an play anyone into the position, but I am saying that

this situation doesn't resemble Carolina in the least. And the RBs running the ball for SEA will be fantasy gold for the foreseeable future.

And Carolina wasn't built to run, investing half its cap in running backs and most of the rest in its offensive line?

ETA: Seattle, by the way, has a hot young QB, just gave away a ton for an elite young WR, and drafted another WR in the first round this year.

I get it, but it's about talent at the end of the day, Carolina can spend all the caysh on RBs and OLine, but if the talent isn't there,

then there is your chasm between the value of Carolina RBs vs Seattle RBs.

Seattle drafted a WR in the first round this year ?