Christine Michael (2 Viewers)

[FreeBaGeL]

I get it, but it's about talent at the end of the day, Carolina can spend all the caysh on RBs and OLine, but if the talent isn't there,
then there is your chasm between the value of Carolina RBs vs Seattle RBs.

Seattle drafted a WR in the first round this year ?

Whoops, 2nd round. I meant to say "with their first pick".

Also, I'm not sure what exactly you were referring to in your first post. For Carolina, the talent certainly was there, hence them routinely putting up well over 5ypc year after year with several seasons approaching or exceeding 20 touchdowns from their running backs. If anything, the Carolina running game was even better than Seattle's with few signs of slowing down and fewer signs of trying to change things (whereas Seattle seems to be spending their resources elsewhere on offense now). Then, suddenly, it just kind of stopped. The same way it did for the Jets, the same way it did for the mid-2000's Seahawks, and the same way it did for the Chiefs in the Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson era.

All of these teams were just as much the fantasy mecca for RBs as Seattle is now. These things change fast.

 

[Casting Couch]

I get it, but it's about talent at the end of the day, Carolina can spend all the caysh on RBs and OLine, but if the talent isn't there,
then there is your chasm between the value of Carolina RBs vs Seattle RBs.

Seattle drafted a WR in the first round this year ?

Whoops, 2nd round. I meant to say "with their first pick".

Also, I'm not sure what exactly you were referring to in your first post. For Carolina, the talent certainly was there, hence them routinely putting up well over 5ypc year after year with several seasons approaching or exceeding 20 touchdowns from their running backs. If anything, the Carolina running game was even better than Seattle's with few signs of slowing down and fewer signs of trying to change things (whereas Seattle seems to be spending their resources elsewhere on offense now). Then, suddenly, it just kind of stopped. The same way it did for the Jets, the same way it did for the mid-2000's Seahawks, and the same way it did for the Chiefs in the Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson era.

All of these teams were just as much the fantasy mecca for RBs as Seattle is now. These things change fast.

I understand, but the difference between those teams and the current Seattle Seashawks, is Seattle

has a recipe that won a Super Bowl, and have built a young team around this formula. This is the main reason I don't see RBs being devalued anytime soon in Seattle.

 

[EBF]

Seattle has a good front office. I think they'll be a good team for the foreseeable future regardless of what happens with their RB situation. They are playing the game at a higher level than most of the other 31 franchises. Don't think that has ever been true of Carolina. That would be a key difference for me.

 

[Steed]

Are we sure seattle's online has been that good? Russell okung seems like he misses more games than he plays, they whiffed on James carpenter too. The center out of Oregon is a quality player, but i feel marshawn has earned a lot of his yards.

 

[Biabreakable]

The Seahawks used their 1st round pick in 2013 and their 3rd round pick in 2013 to trade for Percy Harvin. So a 1st round+ investment at WR.

In 2014 they used 2nd round pick on Richardson and 4th round pick on Norwood. They also burned a 4th round pick on Harper (who they cut) in 2013.

To me that shows an investment at the WR position and as Wilson continues to develop, I do see the run pass distribution shifting more towards the pass as they gain more trust in Wilson.

2012 974 plays 405 pass attempts 536 rushing attempts

2013 973 plays 420 pass attempts 509 rushing attempts

I see this somewhat similarly to how Big Bens career started with the Steelers who were very run heavy in his early years.

The Seahawks did draft OT Justin Britt in the 2nd round and OT Garrett Scott in the 6th round.

Part of the reason I am down on Michael from last season is because he was not able to earn much playing time. If he is as talented as some see, and based on measurables, then why was he unable to earn more of a role in the offense? Especially with Harvin out most of the season, it seemed like they might want a player like Michael to provide a similar spark on offense. But they didn't do that with him. So why not?

In college he had Luke Joeckel and Jake Matthews with quality QBs Tannehill and Manziel. He only led the Aggies in rushing attempts in his freshman season with 166ra 15 receptions to Cyrus Grays 159ra 28 receptions.

2010

Gray 200 5.7 34 receptions

Michael 126 5 13 receptions

Johnson 79

Tannehill 51

2011

Gray 198 5.3 31 receptions

Michael 149 6 8 receptions

Ben Malena 68 3.9 10 receptions

2012

Manziel 201

Ben Malena 138 5.9 18 receptions

Michael 88 4.7 8 receptions

Trey Williams 65 5.8 12 receptions

2009 12 166 13.8ra/gm
2010 8 126 15.85ra/gm
2011 9 149 16.55ra/gm
2012 11 88 8ra/gm
He has never earned a bell cow role although he looks capable of it in short bursts. Other RB were used more frequently in the passing game than he was. So that makes me question if other RB will be able to out compete Michael in this area with the Seahawks like other RB did in college.

I feel like a lot is assumed based on small sample size (visual evidence) and combine numbers, which are excellent.

 

[EBF]

Part of the reason I am down on Michael from last season is because he was not able to earn much playing time. If he is as talented as some see, and based on measurables, then why was he unable to earn more of a role in the offense? Especially with Harvin out most of the season, it seemed like they might want a player like Michael to provide a similar spark on offense. But they didn't do that with him. So why not?

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you really asking this on page 36 of this thread? The point has probably been raised and discussed dozens of times. Regardless of how you feel about his prospects, there has already been A LOT of talk about this and it's probably not necessary to rehash it all again.

In college he had Luke Joeckel and Jake Matthews with quality QBs Tannehill and Manziel. He only led the Aggies in rushing attempts in his freshman season with 166ra 15 receptions to Cyrus Grays 159ra 28 receptions.

2010

Gray 200 5.7 34 receptions

Michael 126 5 13 receptions

Johnson 79

Tannehill 51

2011

Gray 198 5.3 31 receptions

Michael 149 6 8 receptions

Ben Malena 68 3.9 10 receptions

It comes down to how you want to interpret the stats. Nothing you said is wrong, but I'd argue that your interpretation of the stats might be a little deceptive. I don't think that's intentional on your part. I just think you've missed some of the details.

Let's look at that 2010 season for example. Michael finished the season with 126 carries. Gray finished the season with 200 carries. On the surface, it sounds like Gray was the preferred back. In reality, it only looks that way because Michael got hurt in the 8th game of the season and Gray accumulated a staggering 122 carries in the five games that Michael missed. If you look at the games when both backs were available, Michael had 126 carries compared with 78 for Gray.

On the heels of that impressive 2010, Gray seemed to legitimately be the preferred back at the start of the 2011 season. Then he had a couple quiet games in weeks two and three. Michael blew up for 230 yards the next week and ended up logging more carries from that point onward until he was injured again. Gray still played a lot, but the split was slanted in Michael's favor about 55/45 once Michael had his breakout game.

I don't have much of an answer for what happened in 2012. He went from being a key player on the team his first three seasons to being a bit player. Maybe he wasn't all the way back from the ACL. Maybe he wasn't working hard enough to learn the playbook. Maybe it was some off-field knucklehead stuff. Of the four years he had in college, that's the most troubling. It's also a bit of an outlier when you look at his entire body of work.

In general, I'd say the story of his college career is that of a guy who clearly had a lot of talent, but also had a lot of trouble staying healthy. It's not like he was a bad player there though. Solid YPC. Excellent freshman season. Apart from that senior year, most of the production issues are just a reflection of durability woes. When healthy, he produced at a good level. Durability is the biggest legitimate knock on him. Whether it's bad luck or real injury-proneness remains to be seen. The hope is that he can pull a Curtis Martin or Frank Gore and turn that into a positive at this level.

 

[Biabreakable]

Part of the reason I am down on Michael from last season is because he was not able to earn much playing time. If he is as talented as some see, and based on measurables, then why was he unable to earn more of a role in the offense? Especially with Harvin out most of the season, it seemed like they might want a player like Michael to provide a similar spark on offense. But they didn't do that with him. So why not?

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you really asking this on page 36 of this thread? The point has probably been raised and discussed dozens of times. Regardless of how you feel about his prospects, there has already been A LOT of talk about this and it's probably not necessary to rehash it all again.

I have been participating in this thread since it began and no I do not think it has ever really been addressed properly. I have brought it up before.

What I do see is a player who did not really progress in their college career based on the stats and was not used as often as other RB in the passing game. Then very limited action as a rookie in the NFL. It makes me worry that he may always be an underachiever for whatever reason. His college stats do not really stand up to most of the highly regarded RB prospects very well.

 

[cstu]

Part of the reason I am down on Michael from last season is because he was not able to earn much playing time. If he is as talented as some see, and based on measurables, then why was he unable to earn more of a role in the offense? Especially with Harvin out most of the season, it seemed like they might want a player like Michael to provide a similar spark on offense. But they didn't do that with him. So why not?

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you really asking this on page 36 of this thread? The point has probably been raised and discussed dozens of times. Regardless of how you feel about his prospects, there has already been A LOT of talk about this and it's probably not necessary to rehash it all again.

I have been participating in this thread since it began and no I do not think it has ever really been addressed properly. I have brought it up before.

What I do see is a player who did not really progress in their college career based on the stats and was not used as often as other RB in the passing game. Then very limited action as a rookie in the NFL. It makes me worry that he may always be an underachiever for whatever reason. His college stats do not really stand up to most of the highly regarded RB prospects very well.

What I've harped on from the beginning is his character and durability. Character seems like less of an issue now but it's still unknown whether he can stay healthy with 300 carries when he's never done it before. There's no doubt in my mind that he has the talent to be a stud RB in the Seahawks offense but he's a roll of the dice IMO.

 

[tdmills]

Part of the reason I am down on Michael from last season is because he was not able to earn much playing time. If he is as talented as some see, and based on measurables, then why was he unable to earn more of a role in the offense? Especially with Harvin out most of the season, it seemed like they might want a player like Michael to provide a similar spark on offense. But they didn't do that with him. So why not?

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you really asking this on page 36 of this thread? The point has probably been raised and discussed dozens of times. Regardless of how you feel about his prospects, there has already been A LOT of talk about this and it's probably not necessary to rehash it all again.

In college he had Luke Joeckel and Jake Matthews with quality QBs Tannehill and Manziel. He only led the Aggies in rushing attempts in his freshman season with 166ra 15 receptions to Cyrus Grays 159ra 28 receptions.

2010

Gray 200 5.7 34 receptions

Michael 126 5 13 receptions

Johnson 79

Tannehill 51

2011

Gray 198 5.3 31 receptions

Michael 149 6 8 receptions

Ben Malena 68 3.9 10 receptions

It comes down to how you want to interpret the stats. Nothing you said is wrong, but I'd argue that your interpretation of the stats might be a little deceptive. I don't think that's intentional on your part. I just think you've missed some of the details.

Let's look at that 2010 season for example. Michael finished the season with 126 carries. Gray finished the season with 200 carries. On the surface, it sounds like Gray was the preferred back. In reality, it only looks that way because Michael got hurt in the 8th game of the season and Gray accumulated a staggering 122 carries in the five games that Michael missed. If you look at the games when both backs were available, Michael had 126 carries compared with 78 for Gray.

On the heels of that impressive 2010, Gray seemed to legitimately be the preferred back at the start of the 2011 season. Then he had a couple quiet games in weeks two and three. Michael blew up for 230 yards the next week and ended up logging more carries from that point onward until he was injured again. Gray still played a lot, but the split was slanted in Michael's favor about 55/45 once Michael had his breakout game.

I don't have much of an answer for what happened in 2012. He went from being a key player on the team his first three seasons to being a bit player. Maybe he wasn't all the way back from the ACL. Maybe he wasn't working hard enough to learn the playbook. Maybe it was some off-field knucklehead stuff. Of the four years he had in college, that's the most troubling. It's also a bit of an outlier when you look at his entire body of work.

In general, I'd say the story of his college career is that of a guy who clearly had a lot of talent, but also had a lot of trouble staying healthy. It's not like he was a bad player there though. Solid YPC. Excellent freshman season. Apart from that senior year, most of the production issues are just a reflection of durability woes. When healthy, he produced at a good level. Durability is the biggest legitimate knock on him. Whether it's bad luck or real injury-proneness remains to be seen. The hope is that he can pull a Curtis Martin or Frank Gore and turn that into a positive at this level.

But he produced basically the same as Cyrus Gray, why is that anything to write home about?

A few things I don't agree with the Pro-Michael's crowd on:

1) College production

Christine Michael in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 529 attempts for 2791 yards 5.3 34 TDs, 44 receptions for 323 yards 7.3 1 TD

Cyrus Gray in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 623 attempts for 3298 yards 5.2 30 TDs, 103 receptions for 776 yards 7.5 6 TD

 

[tdmills]

You don't think exceeding Lynch's numbers by more than a little bit isn't being extremely high on Michael?

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more the last 3 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

-How many RBs in the NFL have rushed for 1200 yards or more and had at least 11 rushing TDs the last 2 seasons? Answer: Only Marshawn Lynch

Do you still think that Christine Michael isn't just going to match producing at the highest/most consistent level in the NFL....but exceed it?

Lynch has done a great job of staying healthy on a team with that likes to run a lot, has a great run-blocking line to run behind, and has a lot of scoring opportunities.

Lynch is a good running back in a great situation. I think we've seen enough of him when not in a great situation to know that he's not the kind of elite back that can dominate anywhere. If Michael is that guy, as many expect, then I'd expect him to do better when placed into an equally great situation.

Lynch's YPC has been solid but unspectacular in his time in Seattle. Couple that with a lot of attempts on a team with a good line and you've got your rushing yards. Lynch also has the most rush attempts from inside the 5 yard line of any running back in the last 3 years. Couple that with an average conversion percentage (exactly equal to that of Benjarvis Green-Ellis) and you have your TDs.

That's not meant to diminish Lynch. I believe he's a very good running back. However he's not some elite untouchable force who's production can't be replicated by a guy that many believe to be elite (and more of a game-breaker) if that other guy is placed into a similarly great situation. Of course, the problem with counting on that from Michael is not only that he has to be as elite as people think he can be, but he also needs to do it before Seattle turns into less of a great situation. As we've seen a lot recently, these great situations often don't last and I think there is a legitimate fear that we'll see somewhat of a repeat of Carolina, where a guy like Stewart spent so much time on the bench that by the time he was given the starting role the team had morphed from the best place for a fantasy running back to play to one of the worst.

It's far from a lock to think that the Seattle offense won't be a blackhole for fantasy players in a mere two years. We've seen it recently with other run-first teams like the Jets and Panthers that went from being the ideal place for a fantasy RB to land to a fantasy wasteland very quickly.

This disagrees with your statements and likely means they should go to poor situation or sub par at the least...23rd in run blocking.

In 2012, they were the 15th best run blocking OL or basically average

Lynch doesn't get near the credit in here.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Part of the reason I am down on Michael from last season is because he was not able to earn much playing time. If he is as talented as some see, and based on measurables, then why was he unable to earn more of a role in the offense? Especially with Harvin out most of the season, it seemed like they might want a player like Michael to provide a similar spark on offense. But they didn't do that with him. So why not?

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you really asking this on page 36 of this thread? The point has probably been raised and discussed dozens of times. Regardless of how you feel about his prospects, there has already been A LOT of talk about this and it's probably not necessary to rehash it all again.

In college he had Luke Joeckel and Jake Matthews with quality QBs Tannehill and Manziel. He only led the Aggies in rushing attempts in his freshman season with 166ra 15 receptions to Cyrus Grays 159ra 28 receptions.

2010

Gray 200 5.7 34 receptions

Michael 126 5 13 receptions

Johnson 79

Tannehill 51

2011

Gray 198 5.3 31 receptions

Michael 149 6 8 receptions

Ben Malena 68 3.9 10 receptions

It comes down to how you want to interpret the stats. Nothing you said is wrong, but I'd argue that your interpretation of the stats might be a little deceptive. I don't think that's intentional on your part. I just think you've missed some of the details.

Let's look at that 2010 season for example. Michael finished the season with 126 carries. Gray finished the season with 200 carries. On the surface, it sounds like Gray was the preferred back. In reality, it only looks that way because Michael got hurt in the 8th game of the season and Gray accumulated a staggering 122 carries in the five games that Michael missed. If you look at the games when both backs were available, Michael had 126 carries compared with 78 for Gray.

On the heels of that impressive 2010, Gray seemed to legitimately be the preferred back at the start of the 2011 season. Then he had a couple quiet games in weeks two and three. Michael blew up for 230 yards the next week and ended up logging more carries from that point onward until he was injured again. Gray still played a lot, but the split was slanted in Michael's favor about 55/45 once Michael had his breakout game.

I don't have much of an answer for what happened in 2012. He went from being a key player on the team his first three seasons to being a bit player. Maybe he wasn't all the way back from the ACL. Maybe he wasn't working hard enough to learn the playbook. Maybe it was some off-field knucklehead stuff. Of the four years he had in college, that's the most troubling. It's also a bit of an outlier when you look at his entire body of work.

In general, I'd say the story of his college career is that of a guy who clearly had a lot of talent, but also had a lot of trouble staying healthy. It's not like he was a bad player there though. Solid YPC. Excellent freshman season. Apart from that senior year, most of the production issues are just a reflection of durability woes. When healthy, he produced at a good level. Durability is the biggest legitimate knock on him. Whether it's bad luck or real injury-proneness remains to be seen. The hope is that he can pull a Curtis Martin or Frank Gore and turn that into a positive at this level.

But he produced basically the same as Cyrus Gray, why is that anything to write home about?

A few things I don't agree with the Pro-Michael's crowd on:

1) College production

Christine Michael in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 529 attempts for 2791 yards 5.3 34 TDs, 44 receptions for 323 yards 7.3 1 TD

Cyrus Gray in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 623 attempts for 3298 yards 5.2 30 TDs, 103 receptions for 776 yards 7.5 6 TD

This sort of "logic" is how you get to Slippery Rock as National Champions.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Part of the reason I am down on Michael from last season is because he was not able to earn much playing time. If he is as talented as some see, and based on measurables, then why was he unable to earn more of a role in the offense? Especially with Harvin out most of the season, it seemed like they might want a player like Michael to provide a similar spark on offense. But they didn't do that with him. So why not?

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you really asking this on page 36 of this thread? The point has probably been raised and discussed dozens of times. Regardless of how you feel about his prospects, there has already been A LOT of talk about this and it's probably not necessary to rehash it all again.

I have been participating in this thread since it began and no I do not think it has ever really been addressed properly. I have brought it up before.

What I do see is a player who did not really progress in their college career based on the stats and was not used as often as other RB in the passing game. Then very limited action as a rookie in the NFL. It makes me worry that he may always be an underachiever for whatever reason. His college stats do not really stand up to most of the highly regarded RB prospects very well.

Don't you get it. It's all part of the Seahawks master plan to keep Michael fresh for the 2015 season. Everyone knows head coaches are always planning two seasons in advance. They knew he was the best RB on the roster, but did not want him to get hurt and jeopardize their season two years down the road. And to make even more sure, they didn't even make him active ensuring he didn't blow his knees out trying to squeeze into his football pants or get a concussion trying to put a helmet on.

 

[humpback]

There are many things that determine how good the "situation" is for a RB. I agree that their O-line often gets too much credit (it really hasn't been very good), but the other factors still make it a great situation for a RB. They have a dominating defense so they rarely fall way behind taking away the run. They have a coaching staff who loves to run the ball- Seattle led the NFL in run/pass ratio each of the last two seasons. They play most of their games on turf, including half on one of the best surfaces in the league, in a venue which gives them a huge home field advantage. Probably most importantly for fantasy, they are one of the very few teams who don't utilize some form of a RBBC -Lynch rarely came off the field, leading the team in carries, TDs, receptions and receiving yards by a RB each of the last 3 years. All things considered, I think right now it's as close to the "perfect storm" for a RB as you can get.

That being said, things can and do change quickly. Coaches leave for other job opportunities, quit, get fired, or retire. Players get injured and suspended, lose effectiveness, retire or leave via free agency. There's also the question of, how much of the lopsided workload given to Lynch was due to philosophy vs. how much was due to Lynch being very good (or at least better than the alternatives)? We're already hearing whispers of RBBC there- how is that going to play out in the future?

I think it's a bit risky to assume Seattle is going to be a plug and play RB mecca indefinitely. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

 

[Casting Couch]

A few things I don't agree with the Pro-Michael's crowd on:

1) College production

Christine Michael in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 529 attempts for 2791 yards 5.3 34 TDs, 44 receptions for 323 yards 7.3 1 TD

Cyrus Gray in his 4 years at Texas A&M: 623 attempts for 3298 yards 5.2 30 TDs, 103 receptions for 776 yards 7.5 6 TD

I am a fan of Christine Michael, but I think the hype is way way over the top.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Sometimes I think people in the dynasty community have such an adverse reaction to message board hype that it blinds them, whether they are right or not.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Sometimes I think people in the dynasty community have such an adverse reaction to message board hype that it blinds them, whether they are right or not.

I think you're right. It is true that message boards perpetuate groupthink and sometimes cause an over-correction in perceived value of players. Though that is often true, there are instances where players are ultimately every bit deserving of the hype.

Conservative owners tend to minimize moves for players garnering a lot of attention, while aggressive owners take big shots and ultimately over-value some players. In Michael's case, I still don't think he is OVER valued. Yet.

 

[ghostguy123]

Is Michael really all that overvalued right now? Where would he go if he were in rookie drafts? I would take him as the 2nd RB, but after some of the WRs and Ebron (in 1.5 PPR for TE), but I put him right at a mid 1st this year.

Is that really all that crazy? I mean in SOME instances he is going for more, but you can say that about any player. Every player fetches too much in a trade at least a few times in the offseason.

I mean, yeah, he is overhyped in this thread because, well, it's a MICHAEL thread.

 

[ghostguy123]

I do think it's fairly safe to say he won't be a healthy scratch 13 times this year.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I do think it's fairly safe to say he won't be a healthy scratch 13 times this year.

 

[Shanahanigans]

I do think it's fairly safe to say he won't be a healthy scratch 13 times this year.

It was 16 games if you count the playoffs.

 

[ghostguy123]

I do think it's fairly safe to say he won't be a healthy scratch 13 times this year.

It was 16 games if you count the playoffs.

I thought it was 13 total, my bad.

 

[Steed]

@AlexMiglio: Christine Michael's draft stock just got a rocket fuel boost. MT @Jeff_Mans Marshawn Lynch involved in a nightclub brawl Sunday night in SF

 

[Ray Finkle]

Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN

When Christine Michael gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs.

Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN

Have said B4..Strength coach at A&M, who trained both Michael and A.Peterson, told me Christine's athletic explosiveness is on par with A.P.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Does Lynch still have that DUI pending also, or did he avoid the league hammer on that one?

 

[Tool]

Looks like he went after Colonel Mustard in the library with a candlestick...

Seattle Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch was detained by security Sunday night after he, rap star Mistah F.A.B. and their entourages were involved in a fight at a San Francisco nightclub. Sources at the club stated that Lynch, F.A.B. and their crew stormed the backstage guard, went onstage and assaulted DJ Mustard during a performance allegedly because of comments Mustard previously had made on a New York City radio show. Although no arrests were made, Lynch and his crew were escorted out of the club by security.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Does Lynch still have that DUI pending also, or did he avoid the league hammer on that one?

Had been wondering about that too but since nothing had been done in 2 years I figured he avoided the hammer.

Newest incident doesn't sound like much will come of it.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

DJ mustard? all the cool names are taken

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Legal issue resolved on DUI, but unclear if NFL has moved on yet. First glance this latest story doesn't seem like much without police charges or quality video -- a lot like MJD bar fight story. But Lynch seems to be dancing on the edge for sure.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN

When Christine Michael gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs.

Louis Riddick @LRiddickESPN

Have said B4..Strength coach at A&M, who trained both Michael and A.Peterson, told me Christine's athletic explosiveness is on par with A.P.

Yeah? Same thing was said last offseason. I bought it. But it wasn't enough to get him on the field...

 

[EBF]

Doesn't seem like the sort of thing that will result in a suspension. You can't smoke a joint in the NFL, but you can beat up whoever you want.

I would say this sort of thing will encourage Carroll to move away from Marshawn when given the chance, but I really don't think that's how Carroll thinks. He has always struck me as a pragmatic guy. Likely doesn't care if a player is a boy scout or not so long as the player performs.

 

[Phenix]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

 

[EBF]

Jonathan Stewart's explosiveness is better than Adrian Peterson's. Doesn't make him the better running back. That stuff is really important, but there are other variables like having elusiveness and vision. However, that's not what the strength coach is talking about. He's only talking about explosiveness. It seems pretty clear from looking at their height/weight and their combine results that Michael is indeed on par with Peterson in terms of explosiveness.

 

[ghostguy123]

I wish rotoworld would shut up. Trying to trade for the guy, and they are artificially blowing up his value.

Pretty soon he WILL be at that point where the cost doesn't allow much room for a big reward even if he does perform.

 

[Milkman]

I was not with EBF on Michaels value early this summer but now I wouldn't trade him for two late 1st rounders.

 

[Phenix]

Jonathan Stewart's explosiveness is better than Adrian Peterson's. Doesn't make him the better running back. That stuff is really important, but there are other variables like having elusiveness and vision. However, that's not what the strength coach is talking about. He's only talking about explosiveness. It seems pretty clear from looking at their height/weight and their combine results that Michael is indeed on par with Peterson in terms of explosiveness.

Now maybe some can see where this hype is getting out of hand.

He should not be mentioned in the same breath as ADP regardless of what the comparison is. ADP, a first ballot HOF and a 2K season and Michael, didn't dress most of last season.

He couldnt beat out a guy named Turbin. But because the OC is building up his players and Rotoworld is breaking their neck trying to pump this guy, he is the next best thing? On top of that he still has a stud of studs in front of him.

Scrubs manage to dress during the season but Michael is so great he cant and now he is the 8th world wonder?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Doesn't seem like the sort of thing that will result in a suspension. You can't smoke a joint in the NFL, but you can beat up whoever you want.

LOL so true

 

[bumpman]

http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/09/marshawn-lynch-did-not-jump-in-at-nightclub-fight-according-to-rap-star-witness/

This Marshawn Lynch thing looks like a nothingburger.

 

[Phenix]

Jonathan Stewart's explosiveness is better than Adrian Peterson's. Doesn't make him the better running back. That stuff is really important, but there are other variables like having elusiveness and vision. However, that's not what the strength coach is talking about. He's only talking about explosiveness. It seems pretty clear from looking at their height/weight and their combine results that Michael is indeed on par with Peterson in terms of explosiveness.

Now maybe some can see where this hype is getting out of hand.

He should not be mentioned in the same breath as ADP regardless of what the comparison is. ADP, a first ballot HOF and a 2K season and Michael, didn't dress most of last season.

He couldnt beat out a guy named Turbin. But because the OC is building up his players and Rotoworld is breaking their neck trying to pump this guy, he is the next best thing? On top of that he still has a stud of studs in front of him.

Scrubs manage to dress during the season but Michael is so great he cant and now he is the 8th world wonder?

Where do you rank Michael? RB30? RB50? RB15? You seem to bash the hyperbole with your own hyperbole, so rather than trying to sort out the hyperbole, I figure a rank from you would help with understanding the view of someone who doesn't buy the positive hyperbole.

lol...a 4 hyperbole, run on sentence...how's that for some hyperbole

Somewhere around RB35

 

[ghostguy123]

Somewhere around RB35

Just curious, who is your RB 34?

 

[cstu]

http://www.tmz.com/2014/06/09/marshawn-lynch-did-not-jump-in-at-nightclub-fight-according-to-rap-star-witness/

This Marshawn Lynch thing looks like a nothingburger.

Should've have punched him for that Rack City song.

 

[Tool]

Somewhere around RB35

Just curious, who is your RB 34?

Happy Gilmore.

 

[Hooper31]

I think the same thing every time I see this thread. Fantasy football is like a mix of crack and heroin. People are so hard up for more information they're just lost. They will keep repeating the same thing over and over. Sort of a sad state of affairs. You all have my sympathies.

 

[Biabreakable]

I thought you covered this pretty well last June Hooper31 in this post-

Michael was drafted as a replacement for Washington. Washington was let go as a cap causality. Its not a crowded backfield. They had a hole in the roster and were going to draft a RB at some point in the draft. They only had Lynch, Turbin, and Robinson under contract at the time of the draft. They weren't planning on headed to OTAs and training camp with three RBs on the roster.

Ware was drafted as potential replacement for Robinson. Robinson may also become a cap causality.

If you are really interested in learning the ins and outs of the Seattle cap situation I would suggest following Davis Hsu on twitter.He knows the Seattle cap situation better than anyone else I know. He's posted many detailed analysis articles on field gulls.

IMO opinion Turbin is the guy to have if Lynch were to go down. Turbin shined in his limited role last year and I don't see any reason to think that this season will be different.

Now almost a year and 35 pages later, has the situation changed much in your opinion?

 

[tdmills]

Conductor slammed on the breaks

http://inagist.com/all/476111740619325440/

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Conductor slammed on the breaks

http://inagist.com/all/476111740619325440/

#Seahawks OC Darrell Bevell downplayed "running back by committee" comment from last week's town hall. Said he meant that about OTAs.

 

[Eminence]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

Psh, I said the same thing over a year ago...

1.10 - Christine Michael

This guy is a phenom. Everytime he runs you can see he is trying to take it to the house. Landing in Seattle was a good and a bad thing. Michael needs to develop his game a bit more but will be a perfect change-of-pace back for Lynch and Turbin. He has immense upside and has the skillset to be a premier back in this league, there's a little bit of Adrian Peterson in him.

Not a lot of upside this year but down the road he has enough talent to force a RBBC and even take over the full load.

 

[Neofight]

Conductor slammed on the breaks

http://inagist.com/all/476111740619325440/

#Seahawks OC Darrell Bevell downplayed "running back by committee" comment from last week's town hall. Said he meant that about OTAs.

PSA for the color blind: "he meant that about OTAs" was in red.

 

[Phenix]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

Psh, I said the same thing over a year ago...

1.10 - Christine Michael

This guy is a phenom. Everytime he runs you can see he is trying to take it to the house. Landing in Seattle was a good and a bad thing. Michael needs to develop his game a bit more but will be a perfect change-of-pace back for Lynch and Turbin. He has immense upside and has the skillset to be a premier back in this league, there's a little bit of Adrian Peterson in him.

Not a lot of upside this year but down the road he has enough talent to force a RBBC and even take over the full load.

Are you the same guy who bumps your own threads?

 

[Bojang0301]

I can see people's point about Rotoworld. I also understand the love for Michael even though the hype is out of hand. Turbin looks plenty capable to me and has been #2 the past two years. For Rotoworld to say he is 3rd on the pecking order is kind of asinine. If it was any other backup, say, CJ Anderson, they'll say he's competing with Hillman even though he looks pretty strongly like Denver's #2. I don't care for that kind of reporting too much to, as others have stated, jack up someone's value.

 

[Eminence]

A lot of people are going to look like suckers with the way Rotoworld is just trying to push their agenda. The post about what the OC says, then the beat writer says Lynch will still be lead back then Rotoworld tries to flip the script again.

They always put their twist on their stories to make it go the way the look in their rankings. Typical media/news outlet, save face.

They are comparing this guy to ADP when he cant even be active for some games and the very first line in their latest infatuation with this guy on Rotoworld... "The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination."

Texas A&M's strength coach, who has trained both Christine Michael and Adrian Peterson, said Michael's athletic explosiveness is on par with Peterson's.

The "hype" around Michael is not some fabrication of the imagination. His tape is drool-worthy, and the Seahawks coaches themselves are talking up getting the second-year back chances at the expense of Marshawn Lynch. Former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick tweeted Monday that when Michael "gets his chance regular season '14, provided he's healthy, he'll show he's the most gifted RB drafted in past 5 yrs."

Psh, I said the same thing over a year ago...

1.10 - Christine Michael

This guy is a phenom. Everytime he runs you can see he is trying to take it to the house. Landing in Seattle was a good and a bad thing. Michael needs to develop his game a bit more but will be a perfect change-of-pace back for Lynch and Turbin. He has immense upside and has the skillset to be a premier back in this league, there's a little bit of Adrian Peterson in him.

Not a lot of upside this year but down the road he has enough talent to force a RBBC and even take over the full load.

Are you the same guy who bumps your own threads?

Only because I'm the man. I run my own Fantasy Football website.