ghostguy123
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With some of the deals and the things I hear people say about Tre mason, he is getting close to being that next one
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Zyphros
Footballguy
I can't find another owner who is bullish on Mason in the league I own him. People just don't seem to want him, contrary to the trade thread it seems I'm in the only league who doesn't have a fan of his. As for Michael, I still think there is nothing to do but hold if you are a current owner. Market value just isn't what you would be willing to give him up for. There is no reason to sell unless you feel after these past 2 years that he is nothing but another hyped up bench player. It simply isn't worth it to sell now at an all time low. I still like his talent and I'll be patient til the end, whether that be in 7 months, or 7 years, til he reaches that 30yr old age marker.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The thing is that even if these negotiations fall apart - it seems that they will at least keep Lynch at the $8.5MM contract he has for next year (Considering they are willing to pay him more).I am a Lynch, Turbin, Michael owner as well. I am okay with Lynch in Seattle a couple more years. That gives me possibly another 2 years of RB1 play with little injury risk due to owning the handcuffs. That said, like you, I would love to see Lynch somewhere else and split the 1 RB1 into potentially 2 RB1s.as a Lynch, Turbin, Michael owner I hope he's starting elsewhere next season.
Can't really lose though. Both situations are good
Next what? Michael?!
Tre's got games already where he's generated more fantasy production than CM's career. Anyone considering Michael anywhere near Tre's value at this point ought to have their FF license revoked.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Michael is definitely a hold right now (or a buy).
As for Mason, it's only Feb 3rd. The hype machine hasn't kicked into full speed ahead yet. Wasn't it a couple years ago David Wilson went from something like a 5th round startup to a 2nd round startup in a month or two of absolutely nothing happening in the offseason? Just hype hype hype and he skyrocketed. Same with Lamar Miller that offseason.
I am getting a sense Mason is about to go through something similar, though not as drastic.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
the next guy who spikes in value in the offseason and becomes an instant value sell for me.
I just dont own him at all though
And no sense comparing Mason's situation to Stacy's, either. Stacy emerged as the best available short-term stopgap, but Mason was drafted in that range where it's clear the Rams were hoping he'd ascend to become a feature back. He beat out the committee over the course of the season, and in about half a season's worth of touches managed nearly 1000 yfs and 5 TD's. He's the lead back moving forward, with no real competition, a great offensive line, and a QB situation that can't conceivably get worse.
He's a better RB than Michael straight up even if the Seahawks cut ever other RB on the roster in the offseason.
Mason should be regarded as fringe top 5 among RB's for dynasty purposes.
Michael...should probably be behind Turbin on people's boards, still.
He's a better RB than Michael straight up even if the Seahawks cut ever other RB on the roster in the offseason.
Mason should be regarded as fringe top 5 among RB's for dynasty purposes.
Michael...should probably be behind Turbin on people's boards, still.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Let the hype machine commence.
This is what I am talking about. I see his value doubling over the next few months based off nothing but talk, in which case he would become an insta-sell for me.
Hey, maybe he is actually going to be really good (though I don't think he has much stud potential), but even if he does become good so what? Chances are the haul he will fetch at peak hype will be just as good. Then if Mason falters, you obviously made out bigtime.
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Don't agree with that. The hype is building but it's no first round hype and that's his potential. To say his peak hype this off season has reached his career zenith is as false to me as as labeling it as an absolute that Michaels value last season had reached his career high point. Mason's hype is on par or less than guys like Ray Rice and McCoy entering their second seasons after similar production as Mason and their values increased.
But don't get me wrong. You often express the strategy of selling high on any RB. I think that's good strategy and if it was followed religiously you'd come out ahead more often than not. I just don't agree with some of your examples or agree with your contention that some of these players have maxed their value but do agree with the general principle of selling high on any RB.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Mason hasnt peaked yet this offseason. Not yet.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bazinga! said:Do we know for a fact they are willing to pay him more? That is a rumor the press put out, but I don't think we have heard any decision makers in Seattle actually say that. I am not saying they won't keep him, just that this situation is fluid and could go any direction at this point.Dr. Octopus said:The thing is that even if these negotiations fall apart - it seems that they will at least keep Lynch at the $8.5MM contract he has for next year (Considering they are willing to pay him more).Bazinga! said:I am a Lynch, Turbin, Michael owner as well. I am okay with Lynch in Seattle a couple more years. That gives me possibly another 2 years of RB1 play with little injury risk due to owning the handcuffs. That said, like you, I would love to see Lynch somewhere else and split the 1 RB1 into potentially 2 RB1s.Sabertooth said:
Can't really lose though. Both situations are good
Sure, I'm basing it on this report. What else would I be basing it on? These guys have sources where they get their information. This doesn't seem made up.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If they truly offered that, why hasnt he jumped at it yet?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sure you can make any assumption that you want.
All reports have indicated that they want to bring him back and since he's the lifeblood of that offense it's reasonable to believe that they will bring him back. He is under contract for next season (that is a fact). My GUESS is that if they can't work out a long term deal they will bring him back under the one year left on his contract.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
because they may be negotiating other details of the contract and also there was a game on Sunday called "the Super Bowl" that may have put a few other things on the back burner for now.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Do you really think Dan Quinn just decided to become HC of the Falcons on Monday morning?
Things happen in the background that have no bearing on the game. I'm sure there were internal discussions, at least, about what the team will do with key player contracts during this offseason, even leading into the Super Bowl. By no means am I saying a $20M contract was presented to Lynch at any time last week, but I'm sure there's some fire to this smoke.
I think the biggest thing to remember is that Lynch is currently under a contract that would make him the fifth highest paid RB in the league - so it's at least palatable for both sides as is. It's not disrespectful to Lynch to play at that salary and the most important RB to any team in the league is only paid as the 5th highest so the team can live with that as well.
It's looking more and more like Lynch will be back next season - but there's no guarantee that he will be of course.
In my one dynasty where I don't think I'm a legit contender in 2015, I'm looking to see if I can package a guy like Doug Martin to land Michael - this "news" surely helps in that regard.
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squistion
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The crying sound you hear is The Christine Michael Fan Club.
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/4186/marshawn-lynch
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Seahawks have reached a revised contract with Marshawn Lynch, ensuring Lynch stays with the team for 2015.
[...] Robert Turbin will return as Seattle's third-down back, while talented-but-enigmatic Christine Michael's Dynasty stock will continue to twist in the wind.
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/4186/marshawn-lynch
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Seahawks have reached a revised contract with Marshawn Lynch, ensuring Lynch stays with the team for 2015.
[...] Robert Turbin will return as Seattle's third-down back, while talented-but-enigmatic Christine Michael's Dynasty stock will continue to twist in the wind.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Man, what a drag for u cm owners
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Think of all the wear and tear they are saving Michael from before they finally unleash him. Smart.
Chaka
Footballguy
It's a three year contract, I am pretty sure this year is not his time. Gonna have to hold for at least another full season.
Barring injury of course.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
i have never been a fan of michael. its not often you see a #3 rb on team that cant pass turbin on the depth chart still get hyped for 60 pages. if not for the seahawks mistake of taking him in the 2nd and the hype he has been getting in fantasy circles he wouldnt be on a fantasy roster of any kind. He has touched the ball 53 times in two years and really has no value in dynasty or redraft because he isnt even the back up and has no sign of starting or getting much playing time for a year or two if he even gets the chance. maybe this is proof that fantasy hype from websites does not equal results.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Michael has the same value as most third string backs. He's got less value than some at this point. Personally I'd rather have Terrance West or somebody like him. If Michael was a great player, he'd be on the field.
jurb26
Footballguy
Huh? Most 3rd string RBs aren't even rosters in fantasy. Michael is owned in just about every league and people owning him actually seem to think he's worth a mid/high-level rookie 1st.
Terrance West is not a 3rd string back. He's projected as sharing the starting job next year.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
it's to the point where the Seahawks would be better off dumping CM for a pick if there's a buyer.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
It is to the point where CM and CM owners would be better off if he gets traded. Not sure that is true for Seattle. What could they realistically get for him? A 4th next year or 5th this year? Why bother?
FUBAR
Footballguy
If CM's contract is no longer than Lynch's new deal and he hasn't shown that he could be the lead back if Lynch was out for any time, a 4th would probably help them more. Even if they just wanted to get a new RB, the new guy would be cheaper and contribute just as much.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Anyone still want to say he's better than Lynch and AD?
Seriously though if you are a fan you should probably buy now in dynasty. You'll probably be waiting for 2 years but the value will come back when FA hits. Also, please stop bad mouthing Turbin. Guy does everything well and it is not an insult to be behind a guy who is a jack of all trades.
Seriously though if you are a fan you should probably buy now in dynasty. You'll probably be waiting for 2 years but the value will come back when FA hits. Also, please stop bad mouthing Turbin. Guy does everything well and it is not an insult to be behind a guy who is a jack of all trades.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Seahawks are arguably better at the back at the draft than the front. Most of their secondary is made up of picks made after the 4th round.
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dickey moe
Fingerpicker
More opportunity cost lost.
buck naked
Footballguy
And let's not forget, West has actually PLAYED and had a role.
Michael will go down in the annals of FBG Message Board lore as one of the most overhyped non-factors ever.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Wait, when did anyone say that he was better than APP or Lynch????
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
massraider
Footballguy
Ha. 60 pages on this guy.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
I believe they like Turbin better as a third down back but I don't think anything is definitive in terms of which one they'd prefer if Lynch was out of the picture.
The problem for both Turbin and Michaels is I get the sense the Seahawks don't trust either of them in expanded roles. The way they went after Lynch offering more money when his only leverage was not playing was one huge sign but the other was the slew of credible people who felt Seattle would look at Rb's as high as the first round. Nothing about their actions seems to indicate they feel comfortable they have Lynch's replacment on the roster, at least not a bell cow type RB.
But I don't agree with those who say Michaels will never be anything but hype or a nonfactor. He might never fully live up to the hype, but some players just take longer than others to get their chance especially when play behind a future HOF player.
My feelings on Michaels remain unchanged. I think he's an incredible athlete but he's never been a consistent bell cow guy even in college, more of a lead part or co-part of a RBBC. When I see him run he looks like he has one speed and it's full go. That's great sometimes, but true feature backs learn some preservation running skills and not just rely on being a better athlete. When you run like Michaels does I just don't think you can have a heavy usage. So despite having the size for it I just don't think he's ever going to be 20 carry a week back, but I think at some point in time he'll be the lead part of a RBBC and be a dangerous weapon and useful fantasy player.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
So.id take overall.IMO the Hawks' almost panicked desire to keep Lynch tells me that they don't see R Wilson as a true franchise QB. They need Lynch because it is him - not Wilson - who is the emotional leader of the offense.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
Lynch is the best rushing RB in the NFL since 2010 and I don't think extending his contract has anything to do with Christine Michael or Turbin. JS and PC keep their studs around and if it is working for them then there is no reason to change until change is needed.
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/573964222121578496
https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/573964222121578496
fridayfrenzy
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Or You know, they could just want to keep the team that went to back to back super bowls together.
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