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Yea, I don't think I'd move him for a late 1st in this draft. Kinda depends on who drops though.
Didn't you drop this schtick about week 3 or 4 in season? I would take many of these backs in a good situation over Michael and I'm not talking Gurley and Gordon... I'm talking Ameer, Coleman, Yeldon, Duke Johnson... and in the right round, right team David Johnson and David Cobb. I feel like a dog chasing his tail but if you can get an early 3rd/late 2nd take it and run.
Depends on the league. I own him two places.
He's not going to get a chance to play until he's at least 26 and it might not be until he's a free agent at age 27.
Exactly. You don't even have to take the risk of using that pick, you can trade it for immediate return at RB right now if you want, and ditch the gamble that Michael ever becomes relevant.
I disagree he'll be to old in a year to two but I don't necessarily disagree on not taking a first for him, like I said in one league I would accept that offer in seconds and if I did not own the rest of the Seattle backfield I would in that league as well if it was a decent first. I would trade him him in any format regardless of my roster for a high first, but I don't think anyone is offering that anytime soon.
What's the difference? Turning down a 1st isn't any different than paying a 1st. Just sayin.
The difference is that Michael's current owners may feel they have to recoup what they have invested in him, as far as price originally paid (in many cases a 1st) plus what the dead roster space may have cost them in missed opportunities. That may make them irrationally reluctant to sell.
Right and this is the conundrum CM presents his owners at this point. If you've invested heavily in him, you have seen his value decrease year after year. Eventually you reach a point where it's just better to go down with the ship. Recapping what you I itially invested in him is pretty much a pipe dream at this point. Most logical FFers are not going to give up a 1st for him. Most CM owners are still valuing him as such.
No, the disconnect is and has been for a while that this who drafted him refuse to acknowledge that maybe their view of his talent was overstated.
There is always that possibility, but the only real "arguments" supporting that conclusion at this point are weak due to their indirect nature.
Every year he fails to beat out Turbin as the 2nd RB in Sea seems to be a growing problem.
Only if you think Turbin being a better COP option than Michael makes him a better talent, and the likely lead back should Lynch fall out of the picture.
Right, but CM has been crowned an ubber talent by many. An ubber talent should be able to beat out a COP back, regardless of the role. I really don't see how you can convince yourself he is an ubber talent that Sea just loves hiding as the 3rd guy on their roster. Maybe he still has a ton of talent. Regardless, this should be making you think twice about it.
I'm no economist, but "sunken cost" (i.e. what you paid for a player) has no bearing on what you should do with that player going forward. In other words, it doesn't matter what Michael's trade value was 12 or 18 months ago. The only thing to ask yourself if you're a Michael owner right now is, "Is he worth more than what I can get for him in a trade?" I'm guessing that the answer is a strong "yes" for me. Recouping his initial investment is hardly a "pipe dream" given that his rookie draft ADP was late 1st/early 2nd and he'll easily fetch that in a trade with half a good season any time in the next three years.
Good sign for what? They plan to ride Marshawn for another season. Barring injury this will be another "hold" season for Michael owners.Pleasantly surprised the Seahawks did not draft a RB. Has to be a good sign.
Better than Seattle drafting a decent RB and wondering if Michael will fall to #4 or off the roster.Chaka said:Good sign for what? They plan to ride Marshawn for another season. Barring injury this will be another "hold" season for Michael owners.Pleasantly surprised the Seahawks did not draft a RB. Has to be a good sign.
You are both right. I drafted him based on where he was picked and where he landed. I trust Carroll as an RB talent evaluator. He picked him right behind Lacy and Bell. I acknowledge Carroll's view of his talent might have been off. I also acknowledge my view of Carroll may have been off.
That's the rub. By the time he may be free from the shackles that SEA has placed on him he'll be a 27 year old RB with no track record in the league (unless Lynch misses a significant chunk of time which of course is possible). Who is going to offer him starter's money at that point and hand him a starting job? Seems fairly unlikely at best.cstu said:
That's fine, this is my last year for him n DTS, next year will be a problem.Chaka said:Good sign for what? They plan to ride Marshawn for another season. Barring injury this will be another "hold" season for Michael owners.Pleasantly surprised the Seahawks did not draft a RB. Has to be a good sign.
Depends on what happens the next few years. If he can finally unseat Turbin and looks great on 100 touches in a backup role in 2015 and 2016, then he'll get a chance somewhere. The NFL doesn't start pushing the panic button at 26 the way that overzealous dynasty owners do.
Yes, he would need to unseat Turbin (will he?) and look impressive and then I agree that some team may make an agreesive push to add him as a starting back.
If that happens, it tells you a lot about what SEA really thinks of him. Dallas was a team that went into SEA and beat them last year. They aren't going to do Dallas any favors.
Keep sending out feelers -- some people might be getting impatient. I basically got him as a throw in to even things out in a big deal for Mike Evans on an orphan rebuild that I took over.
Turbin is not the problem. Lynch is the obstacle. Until he's gone, this thread is ZZZzzzz.
More like by then he will be a free agent and sign as a starter elsewhere.
It is not like this type of situation hasn't happen before. KC Chiefs had a similar running back pecking order until Priest got injured and Blaylock went to the Jets.
He will sign that low-end starter, high-end back-up contract in March and his fans will come to tell us all what a great day it is. Some of us will happily sell him to the highest bidder. In May the same team will draft some other running back in the 2nd/3rd round. CM fans will tell us the rookie is too something..slow...small..etc. Come fall they will split carries no more than 55-45 either way and both will marginally startable or at best difficult to tell who is the guy for that week. CM fans will say the coaching staff is at fault as to why he is getting Just Another Guy treatment. The following off-season the same team will bring in a 3rd guy just to further muddle the picture. At that point, I will find this post and make some snaky one line comment and say nothing else on the subject.
