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This is the schtick I just grow tired of hearing. The ONLY reason Turbin is 2nd on the depth chart is because of pass pro. If Lynch goes down tomorrow, Michael has more carries than Turbin this season. But it's a useless argument until Lynch is out of the picture.
That is shtick but yours isn't? What he said is a fact, actually. Your statement is speculation. Maybe it's correct. Maybe it's not.
I think this may be even less likely to be true now that Seattle officially has a huge commitment to Wilson on the books.
True ... but isn't that what what these boards are all about? Us giving our opinions about what will happen with a player with analysis to support it? Just stating a ridiculously over-simplified fact over and over again that everyone on these boards knows doesn't really help us determine how to proceed. That's the "schtick" I'm talking about.
His value on the field is the same as before. Protecting Wilson is their top priority.
You may be right. Again, we'll have to wait and see. I honestly think we will get an answer to this debate this year. With the way Lynch runs, I'm shocked he hasn't had a major injury yet. If he misses a significant amount of games, we'll see who the Seahawks lean on. If he misses one or two games, I see that guy being Turbin due to his ability to pass pro. However, if Lynch misses a big stretch of the season, I can't see them going from Hall of Fame production at the runningback position to the pedestrian numbers Turbin puts up. They are going to have to bite the bullet and go with the better runner. Hopefully Michael can figure out how to pick up a damn blitz by then.
Yes, speculation is what drives conversation and makes the forums fun. I love speculation and have no problem with it. Still, calling things shtick because they don't align with your POV or speculation is not very helpful. Especially when that so called shtick is an absolutely true statement. CM not being able to move ahead of Turbin is a valid concern. He's had 2 full seasons to do so. Now we're into year 3 camp and it's still not happened. You might call this shtick but it seems more like an I convent truth if you are all in on CM. I have no idea what happens if Lynch goes down. I do think CM is the better runner. that doesn't nessecarily mean Sea will suddenly turn the RB1 duty over to him, though. Clearly there are aspects of his game they feel are holding him back. I'm not sold that's just pass protection. If they truly felt they had a special runner, they would make more of an effort to get him involved IMO.
Sorry dude I own Michael as well but they won't be biting the bullet if Lynch goes down. Turbin doesn't suck he's just not as dynamic a runner as Michael. However until CM learns how to pass protect and not put the ball on the ground, Turbin is the better overall option.
Agree with everything but the last bit. How can they get him involved more right now with Lynch there. Lynch is one of the best backs in the league and he's proven he can handle a big workload.
Well, not giving Turbin carries at a 3-1 ratio over CM the past 2 years would be a start.
I probably shouldn't have used the word "schtick" as it is a bit of an insult. I apologize to sabertooth for that. It's just the default, easy argument to go with in this situation. The thing I like about this site is that everyone typically digs deeper than the depth chart to evaluate the exact situation and how certain events will affect a future situation.
CM has clearly outperformed Turbin running the ball though right? Look at the tape. Look at the numbers and CM looks legit.
I don't disagree but it's been 52 carries in 2 season. Just 52 carries... Turbin has had over 70 in each of the past 2 seasons.
I think you're under valuing Turbin a bit. He's solid. CM has to make them put him on the field. He hasn't done that yet.
Yeah but he's dropped the ball more than that and that stat is misleading. I mean I haven't fumbled in the NFL once.
This is so weak. Do you honestly think that if Lynch goes down they are going to go with the weaker pass pro guy? No way. If Lynch was hurt for an extended period the offense would shift to a more pass-centric offense, making pass pro even more important.
Recent talk is that they are going more pass-centric anyway. Adding Graham would support that.
I'm banking on another training camp strengthening CM's pass pro. I don't think CM needs to be BETTER at pass pro than Turbin. He simply needs to be adequate to beat out Turbin in carries due to the fact that he is easily the better runner. At least that's my view on it.
I think that's the problem--he hasn't. Or at least, he hasn't proven to the coaches that he's consistent enough and that leads to bigger problems. When we talk about Turbin vs. Michael on carries I suspect the real reason he doesn't get in more often is because the defense can probably say "hey, the guy that can't pass block is in there. This is going to be a run." and then load up the box. So then let's add the next thing--Michael gets carries when the Seahawks are blowing people out so as to not injure Lynch or Turbin. Or at least, that's how he's gotten his carries so far.
If it takes a running back this many offseasons to figure out things like which hand to carry the ball in, is it reasonable to start concluding that he's never going to figure it out?
That's a silly knock on a RB. If you watch, many (if not most) runners keep the ball in one hand when they run, no matter where the contact will come from. I know because it drives me nuts.
It's pretty pointless to put people's noses in a history book after everything is known. Nine times out of ten, the same people that point all this out can be found to have been right there on the wagon with the other people who speculated highly back in the day.
Lynch is at a point in career carries where RBs typically fall off the cliff. He could buck the trend but it could come suddenly too - See Shaun Alexander.
What might help Lynch stave off time, though, is one thing that sometimes frustrates Seahawks fans — the manner in which he is used.
7 carries for 15 yards, long of 12 (6 for 3 yds and a fumble otherwise)
Sadly, 5 for 13 with no fumbles is a lot better than 7 for 12 with a fumble.
Agreed.
