Christine Michael (2 Viewers)

[slackjawedyokel]

Everyone lampoons him 2 days ago, but now suddenly everyone is all over the "talent". You guys crack me up...

everyone?

Feel free to get the exact percentage in your spare time and report back.

Had him rostered in 6 of 7 leagues. Picked him up in the 7th league this morning with the news. In other words, not "everyone".

 

[cstu]

The running talent was always there. Same as the knuckheadness and lack of opportunity. He has shown improved pass pro and his situation has improved drastically. It's not that out of place to be a buyer of Christine Michael right now. It's also not a bad idea to cash in.

You welcome for the clarity. lolol

 

[Pipes]

It's obvious who missed out on him in this thread.

It's just as obvious who scooped him up.

 

[Thunderlips]

I think something to remember is that the seahawks are in win now mode. If by they see no scenario in which they might play michael, ship him and give the roster spot to someone they might play

Why are they in "win now" anymore than any other team would/should be? Most of the key components of their team are just entering their prime........

how are they going to pay everyone?

Tweaking and Finagling my Man......

If Michael was anything to write home about though and they are in dire straits in regarding to paying their players......I don't think they'd have been giving Lynch the money he got.

 

[SpruceGoose]

Why would he be a better pickup then say, Dion Lewis or Javorious Allen? Just trying to get a bead on why people think Michael is worth a spot now before seeing how the first two backs in Dallas (McFadden and Randle) fare.

I've seen Michael here in Seattle and I believe in his talent, but how is this better than, say, Lewis who will see the field on passing downs as an ongoing part in a dynamic offense, or Allen who as an injury handcuff to the RB1 on the team has the ability to outshine any other back in reserve?

I've seen Michael play here in Seattle and think he is a great talent and deserves more than he was getting behing Lynch and Turbin. But don't see him getting that shot immediately in Dallas with three backs ahead of him on the roster.

I dont think anyone is arguing that.

We dont know...they all could be great this year.

I think the argument is for people who like to pretend there is no chance for Michael to take over in Dallas.

That just sounds like sour grapes.

There is no reason for someone to leave him on the wire...a good ww RB is gold in fantasy...so you have to take that small chance.

Most of us are dropping our handcuffs, or last WR.

 

[Thunderlips]

I think something to remember is that the seahawks are in win now mode. If by they see no scenario in which they might play michael, ship him and give the roster spot to someone they might play

Why are they in "win now" anymore than any other team would/should be? Most of the key components of their team are just entering their prime........

All the excuses being made here are hilarious.

Face it: the Seahawks think he sucks.

At minimum they think he's a project, at most they think he sucks. Look at their roster though, just about all the starters have established roles they fill. The only exceptions I can think of are Lockette and Matthews. Michael was not where they wanted him to be developmentally and did not fill the role of a backup in a run first offense.

I see it like the Carlos Hyde situation. I think he's going to have problems this year and it stems from him being on the type of offense where they run first and have a weak passing attack. Put him somewhere with a balanced attack and I'd love him. They can't all be world beaters like Lynch and Gore

A project at 25 in his 3rd year in league? I could only find two examples of RB's who broke out at that age - BJGE in 2010 and James Allen in 2000 - and neither were traded going into their 3rd year.

Yeah....it's not like he's a rookie.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

The CMike haters are funny

Haters gonna hate... playing against you if he finally breaks out!

 

[pghrob]

Most waiver wire gems that win leagues happen due to injuries and middle-of-the-season situation changes. This year's happened before the season. Congrats to those quick enough to grab him.

I drafted Gurely (6.10) and Mason (12.10) this year, with Mason as the stop gap waiting for Gurley. I am rolling the dice and dropped Mason for Michael. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

[karmarooster]

I think something to remember is that the seahawks are in win now mode. If by they see no scenario in which they might play michael, ship him and give the roster spot to someone they might play

Why are they in "win now" anymore than any other team would/should be? Most of the key components of their team are just entering their prime........

All the excuses being made here are hilarious.

Face it: the Seahawks think he sucks.

At minimum they think he's a project, at most they think he sucks. Look at their roster though, just about all the starters have established roles they fill. The only exceptions I can think of are Lockette and Matthews. Michael was not where they wanted him to be developmentally and did not fill the role of a backup in a run first offense.

I see it like the Carlos Hyde situation. I think he's going to have problems this year and it stems from him being on the type of offense where they run first and have a weak passing attack. Put him somewhere with a balanced attack and I'd love him. They can't all be world beaters like Lynch and Gore

RBs don't really make "projects" in the same way that QBs or WRs will get better with 3 years of NFL seasoning. Either you can run, or you can't. Things like pass pro and route running can be learned, but running is the most instinctive skill for an NFL back. Michael has shown he can run since preseason as a rookie, he just hasn't gotten many reps in regular season behind Lynch and Turbin. Still big risks about him fitting in with the team (appears to be kind of a punk) but this is Dallas-how-bout-dem-cowboys.

Not sure when this will pay dividends, but I would bet Michael will have a window as a top 10 RB at some point this year. Probably not right away.... but...

 

[cstu]

He is actually 24...turns 25 in Nov...but who cares about facts...carry on with the hate/bs

Using 24 brings up Erric Pegram in 1993, Garrison Hearst in 1995, and Peyton Hillis in 2010.

Hillis is looking like the best comp since he was traded to the Browns when he was only 3 months younger than Michael. The only downside for the comp is that Hillis was traded in March and had an entire offseason with the Browns.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Thinking of dropping Reggie Bush for him as RB5.

Thinking of dropping Sproles for him as my RB5 (non-PPR).

Considering its probably my last bench spot, tough call as I dont expect Michael to do much the first couple games and I may drop him anyway due to wanting one of the hot early WW guys.

 

[beef]

Sell sell sell! Can't believe I might actually get something for Michael now!

 

[zftcg]

One of the most overhyped underperforming guys ever in fantasy football.

Not so fast. Ladarius Green will not give up his title without a fight.

 

[SameSongNDance]

His situation no doubt improves a bit but he's far from a must add. Better OL, less competent competition but still likely 3rd on the depth chart. He's a decent lottery ticket, I just don't understand why opinions of him are so polarizing.

 

[bulger2holt]

Has anybody made you guys any offers for Michael yet?

 

[EBF]

He is actually 24...turns 25 in Nov...but who cares about facts...carry on with the hate/bs

Using 24 brings up Erric Pegram in 1993, Garrison Hearst in 1995, and Peyton Hillis in 2010.

Hillis is looking like the best comp since he was traded to the Browns when he was only 3 months younger than Michael. The only downside for the comp is that Hillis was traded in March and had an entire offseason with the Browns.

The last RB traded away by the Seahawks after two years turned out to be pretty good:

http://www.nfl.com/player/ahmangreen/2500887/profile

 

[EBF]

Has anybody made you guys any offers for Michael yet?

I was offered a 2016 2nd rounder in a 12 team league. Was going to pass, but the other guy revoked it after a couple hours.

 

[JFS171]

Conditional 7th was the price, meaning it could revert to absolutely nothing. That's not exactly a bag of gold for the guy.

I know he's a helluva athlete, but we've seen great athletes never turn into great football players. Guess we'll see...

Interesting lottery ticket, but you have to wonder why Seattle punted in favor of an UDFA and a 34-YO when they could control Michael for another 2 years with Lynch approaching the end of the line.

 

[ourmanflint]

From Rotoworld:

According to ESPN Dallas' Todd Archer, the Cowboys' trade for Christian Michael is "more about insurance and depth."
For good reason, the Cowboys don't have much faith in underwear/cologne bandit Joseph Randle or oft-injured Darren McFadden. They want depth in the backfield, and Michael has a lot of talent even if deficiencies elsewhere in his game have limited C-Mike's playing time dating back to Texas A&M. Archer writes Michael is unlikely to become "the guy" at running back. "The Cowboys have planned to go with a committee, perhaps headed by Randle and split up with McFadden and (Lance) Dunbar," Archer wrote. "Now they can add Michael to the list." Sep 6 - 3:04 PM
Source: ESPN Dallas

Link

 

[Freelove]

One of the most overhyped underperforming guys ever in fantasy football.

Not so fast. Ladarius Green will not give up his title without a fight.

Green: 857 posts since 2012. 40/658/3 for his career.

Michael: 3700 posts since 2013. 52/254/0 for his career.

The fight may not be over, but that round goes decisively to CM.

 

[We Tigers]

Can't pass block, but could do some filthy things as a two-down banger behind that line. Plus, it's fun to scramble for guys in these last four days before the season starts, when almost nothing interesting will happen.

Stopped reading right there.

there are legit reason for concern, but so many of the haters just post garbage reasons

I'm not a hater and scooped him up this morning, but he hasn't displayed the ability to do it well at an NFL level. He never even got close to beating Turbin for that role in relief of Lynch.

 

[Omniscient Deity]

Has anybody made you guys any offers for Michael yet?

I was offered a 2016 2nd rounder in a 12 team league. Was going to pass, but the other guy revoked it after a couple hours.

I assume that's roughly his price right now, that or a similar stash rb with upside/talent.

 

[Thunderlips]

Kind of reminds me of the Percy Harvin hype as he came into and left SEA.

 

[cstu]

He is actually 24...turns 25 in Nov...but who cares about facts...carry on with the hate/bs

Using 24 brings up Erric Pegram in 1993, Garrison Hearst in 1995, and Peyton Hillis in 2010.

Hillis is looking like the best comp since he was traded to the Browns when he was only 3 months younger than Michael. The only downside for the comp is that Hillis was traded in March and had an entire offseason with the Browns.

The last RB traded away by the Seahawks after two years turned out to be pretty good:

http://www.nfl.com/player/ahmangreen/2500887/profile

and he was 24?....ya missed one ctsu

23 (a year and 3 months younger than Michael) and the trade was made in April, but it's a good comp.

 

[joffer]

he's not on the ww in any of my leagues.

find worse leagues

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Thinking of dropping Reggie Bush for him as RB5.

Thinking of dropping Sproles for him as my RB5 (non-PPR).

Considering its probably my last bench spot, tough call as I dont expect Michael to do much the first couple games and I may drop him anyway due to wanting one of the hot early WW guys.

I have Sproles too. Dropped Bush instead of Sproles and nabbed Michael.

 

[Sabertooth]

Michael would smash behind Dallas's OL.

hope you are right.

 

[oddsbodkins]

Needed a reason to drop my backup QB (Flacco). CM is now my RB5.

 

[SteelBallin]

this is bad for randle and dmc owners but really people think upside is RB1 for michael?? i'm not buying it. even if he would find a way to supplant randle and dmc as the #1 back this year (not guaranteed at all), the cowboys aren't all of a sudden going to ignore randle and dmc. at best he might have RB2 potential. also i think randle and dmc would both get their chance to be the lead back first. so we are talking about 2 guys having to fail or get hurt in order for this to happen. also considering the fact that he doesn't know the playbook at all it could be midway through the season before he's trusted for more than a few snaps. i still like the other 2 dallas running backs more but at this point i really want nothing to do with this crapshoot

 

[Mister CIA]

I think something to remember is that the seahawks are in win now mode. If by they see no scenario in which they might play michael, ship him and give the roster spot to someone they might play

Why are they in "win now" anymore than any other team would/should be? Most of the key components of their team are just entering their prime........

All the excuses being made here are hilarious.

Face it: the Seahawks think he sucks.

Remind me, what did this same organization give up for Percy Harvin, and how much money did they pay him?

Sincerely, Golden Tate.

 

[Duffy]

This trade seems eerily similar to the trade that saw 3rd round pick Ahman Green go from Seattle to Green Bay in 2000. Seattle traded him and a 5th for Fred Vinson and a 6th, and I believe Green was entering his third season. At the time he was burried behind pro-bowl running back Ricky Watters, but what he was able to do in Green Bay was special (having Favre and Sharpe didn't hurt either).

I'm not saying Christine Michael will have the same type of success that Green did after being traded from Seattle...but he will have similar opportunity to succeed.

Ah...I see I'm a little late to the party...loll.

 

[Tool]

Conditional 7th was the price, meaning it could revert to absolutely nothing. That's not exactly a bag of gold for the guy.

I know he's a helluva athlete, but we've seen great athletes never turn into great football players. Guess we'll see...

Interesting lottery ticket, but you have to wonder why Seattle punted in favor of an UDFA and a 34-YO when they could control Michael for another 2 years with Lynch approaching the end of the line.

Rational thought has no place in a Christine Michael thread.

 

[Amused to Death]

Conditional 7th was the price, meaning it could revert to absolutely nothing. That's not exactly a bag of gold for the guy.

I know he's a helluva athlete, but we've seen great athletes never turn into great football players. Guess we'll see...

Interesting lottery ticket, but you have to wonder why Seattle punted in favor of an UDFA and a 34-YO when they could control Michael for another 2 years with Lynch approaching the end of the line.

I haven't seen the condition yet on the 7th rd. pick but Philly's deal with Arizona for Barkley was only if he was on the roster for 6 games. Meaning Arizona basically gets a 5 week trial before committing. I wonder if the Cowboys have a similar deal.

 

[Pots]

One of the most overhyped underperforming guys ever in fantasy football.

Not so fast. Ladarius Green will not give up his title without a fight.

Bump Finley.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Why would he be a better pickup then say, Dion Lewis or Javorious Allen? Just trying to get a bead on why people think Michael is worth a spot now before seeing how the first two backs in Dallas (McFadden and Randle) fare.

I've seen Michael here in Seattle and I believe in his talent, but how is this better than, say, Lewis who will see the field on passing downs as an ongoing part in a dynamic offense, or Allen who as an injury handcuff to the RB1 on the team has the ability to outshine any other back in reserve?

I've seen Michael play here in Seattle and think he is a great talent and deserves more than he was getting behing Lynch and Turbin. But don't see him getting that shot immediately in Dallas with three backs ahead of him on the roster.

I dont think anyone is arguing that.

We dont know...they all could be great this year.

I think the argument is for people who like to pretend there is no chance for Michael to take over in Dallas.

That just sounds like sour grapes.

There is no reason for someone to leave him on the wire...a good ww RB is gold in fantasy...so you have to take that small chance.

Most of us are dropping our handcuffs, or last WR.

Thanks for the answer, Goose -- we're aligned, Michael has a different chance now that he's on a different roster.

I am just trying to tease out what people think Michael's upside is worth vs people they are dropping from their rosters or existing FAs on the wire.

For me, it is possible Michael shines in Dallas as the inside the ten/short yardage/hammer back, but his upside getting fantasy starter relevant numbers really depends on two out of the three of Randle, McFadden, and Dunbar being ineffective behind that same great line.

I'm wondering why he presents a better flier than someone who may see similarly limited but potentially more consistent playing time (my example was Dion Lewis, sure there are others) or someone who might benefit much more clearly in an injury situation (my example was Allen, I am sure there are others).

 

[Pipes]

It's obvious who missed out on him in this thread.

It's just as obvious who scooped him up.

Not really...I owned him in all leagues...waited patiently while the haters hated

Lol at haters. Guess I'm a hater cause I don't have a raging hardon for an overhyped RB who doesn't look anything special to me. No I didn't miss out on him...didn't even try. Good luck to you and everyone else who has him maybe he will work out. Just trying to bring some realty back to this thread.

 

[Ridgelake]

A few things to remember:

Dallas goes nowhere without Romo. The ability to pass protect is paramount to that organization. I cannot say that I've seen Michael in that role. But I have heard that he's not the best at it. The big reason that McFadden is so well regarded there and is likely at least the 3rd down back, is that he is good in pass pro. Better than Randle. For Michael to see the field, he WILL have to demonstrate good pass pro.

There is little doubt about his ability to run the ball. I understand that he's more of an instinctual runner. Something that fits very well with the Dallas OL and scheme. Is he a better runner or scheme fit than Randle? No way to know until we see.

The fact that he was traded for a conditional 7th rounder should tell you something. If he was, say, All Day 2.0, he'd have gone for a lot more. I jest with that comparison, but the point remains: His market value is a conditional 7th..

I am certain that Dallas sees this as a lottery ticket. Just like many FF people do. And I think that is a reasonable take. Dallas thinks he may have unusual skill and is taking a look at him. He probably won't play much until he learns the system or there are injuries. I would not count on much for awhile, if ever. But this is the definition of lottery ticket. Both to Dallas. And for FF.

Not likely to hit. But if it does......

 

[efactor]

He is actually 24...turns 25 in Nov...but who cares about facts...carry on with the hate/bs

Using 24 brings up Erric Pegram in 1993, Garrison Hearst in 1995, and Peyton Hillis in 2010.

Hillis is looking like the best comp since he was traded to the Browns when he was only 3 months younger than Michael. The only downside for the comp is that Hillis was traded in March and had an entire offseason with the Browns.

The last RB traded away by the Seahawks after two years turned out to be pretty good:

http://www.nfl.com/player/ahmangreen/2500887/profile

Thanks for the memory. I forgot how good Green was during that stretch.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think it's the blend of his youth, elite athletic attributes, the unsettled Dallas backfield, and the fearsome Dallas offensive line. I think he had a much easier path to fantasy usefulness than Buck Allen. Allen isn't even necessarily the number two back. Lorenzo looks like he's the guy once he comes back. Forsett is far more entrenched than Randle.

As for Lewis, I think he's going to be Vereen light. No upside. No thanks. He's in the wire in my 12 team Superflex and I couldn't cut mallet, Bryce brown, or rg3 for him.

 

[Tau837]

Does Dunbar really have a role now? Maybe early, while Michael learns the playbook, but I'd expect the pecking order to be Randle, McFadden, Michael, in that order early in the season. If Randle and/or McFadden plays poorly or gets hurt, Michael will get a shot. If he plays well when given that opportunity, he could be the lead RB, at least on 1st and 2nd down, down the stretch in the second half of the season.

 

[jurb26]

For CM to have redraft value he will need to be more than 3rd on the depth chart, or see an injury to the guys in front of him. Theoretically, CM is probably going to be 3rd on the chart. The team seems to be supporting that he was brought in to add depth and insurance. That's not a ringing endorsement.

The big plus is the guys in front of him are not as good as they were in Sea. Well, there is not Lynch anyway. That alone is a major plus. On top of that both guys could easily be seen as injury prone. So, envisioning a scenario where he moves up just from plan luck or injury is easy to fathom. From there of course you have that dominate Dal Oline. I'd imagine anyone will look good running behind that group. This could prove to be a blessing or a curse. If Randle and McFadden don't get dinged and give him a shot to show what he can do, it's a curse. If they go down and he gets work and looks good then it's a blessing.

 

[The Claymaker]

I like how optimistic we are as fans of players we think are good yet have never done anything to prove it. I don't care one way or another, but I think the guy making the point about bringing in 53 year old Jackson and trading this young stud for a 7th speaks volumes about how Seattle saw the situation.

Thst was a great video of him chipping an already engaged player, I definitely think he is a great blocker now.

Not like this, but not bad I guess: http://youtu.be/VgGmAnIzU9E

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Michael gets a start this season at some point.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Wonder which Dallas RB goes first if a re-draft was held today?

That's similar to my question as well. What #RB overall is CM now in a redraft standard league?

 

[ImTheScientist]

I get it from the Seahawks perspective, but this feels like Ahman Green 2.0.

Cmike didn't fit the system like they hoped (does fit what Dallas does). He also was stuck behind one of the best backs in the league. They also wanted the 4 years of control they had in Rawls who does fit the system better.

Get CMike while u can.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

To those that say it was only a conditional 7th rounder please keep in mind that no RBs were claimed on the NFL waiver wire and Michael was the only RB traded. It has more to do with the value of RBs in the NFL than it is about individual RB players.

ETA: Terrance west another RB traded.

 

[Outlaw Spades]

I think something to remember is that the seahawks are in win now mode. If by they see no scenario in which they might play michael, ship him and give the roster spot to someone they might play

Why are they in "win now" anymore than any other team would/should be? Most of the key components of their team are just entering their prime........

All the excuses being made here are hilarious.

Face it: the Seahawks think he sucks.

At minimum they think he's a project, at most they think he sucks. Look at their roster though, just about all the starters have established roles they fill. The only exceptions I can think of are Lockette and Matthews. Michael was not where they wanted him to be developmentally and did not fill the role of a backup in a run first offense.

I see it like the Carlos Hyde situation. I think he's going to have problems this year and it stems from him being on the type of offense where they run first and have a weak passing attack. Put him somewhere with a balanced attack and I'd love him. They can't all be world beaters like Lynch and Gore

A project at 25 in his 3rd year in league? I could only find two examples of RB's who broke out at that age - BJGE in 2010 and James Allen in 2000 - and neither were traded going into their 3rd year.

I need to do the research but Ahmen Green seems to fit that from memory...

 

[tjnc09]

I think something to remember is that the seahawks are in win now mode. If by they see no scenario in which they might play michael, ship him and give the roster spot to someone they might play

Why are they in "win now" anymore than any other team would/should be? Most of the key components of their team are just entering their prime........

All the excuses being made here are hilarious.

Face it: the Seahawks think he sucks.

What use is Michael to Seattle? Lynch is a top tier RB who will get the majority of their carries. Michael can be had for nothing on the FF waiver market and will be running behind one of the best OL in football. His competition is Randle (unproven) and McFadden (unhealthy).

And maybe Seattle does think he sucks, but sometimes you have to fall into a good situation. Look at Justin Forsett last year. In 2013, he had 6 carries for 31 yards. SIX! The Jaguars didn't even want him. After being in the league for five years, he basically doubled his career yardage and TDs last year because of a fluke situation he fell into behind a solid OL. He ended up being one of the top WW pickups of 2014.

He is worth a shot - most people will be dropping pennies for high reward possibility.

 

[ImTheScientist]

A project at 25 in his 3rd year in league? I could only find two examples of RB's who broke out at that age - BJGE in 2010 and James Allen in 2000 - and neither were traded going into their 3rd year.

Tons of examples of 3rd year guys or later. You are choosing to claim there are not. There was even one last year. Priest Holmes, Tiki Barber, Larry Johnson..... The list is long.

Clearly you have an agenda. It's either to win the internet today or to troll. You are losing at both.

 

[Thunderlips]

I think something to remember is that the seahawks are in win now mode. If by they see no scenario in which they might play michael, ship him and give the roster spot to someone they might play

Why are they in "win now" anymore than any other team would/should be? Most of the key components of their team are just entering their prime........

All the excuses being made here are hilarious.

Face it: the Seahawks think he sucks.

What use is Michael to Seattle? Lynch is a top tier RB who will get the majority of their carries. Michael can be had for nothing on the FF waiver market and will be running behind one of the best OL in football. His competition is Randle (unproven) and McFadden (unhealthy).

And maybe Seattle does think he sucks, but sometimes you have to fall into a good situation. Look at Justin Forsett last year. In 2013, he had 6 carries for 31 yards. SIX! The Jaguars didn't even want him. After being in the league for five years, he basically doubled his career yardage and TDs last year because of a fluke situation he fell into behind a solid OL. He ended up being one of the top WW pickups of 2014.

He is worth a shot - most people will be dropping pennies for high reward possibility.

I imagine part of that thought is that you're banking on the quality of the SEA front office. I'm not one to advocate that JAX has been apt at player analysis.