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CJ Prosise - RB - Notre Dame (2 Viewers)

I like his upside potential if Rawls gets hurts or has a sophomore slump.  I like him better than the other 2nd tier RB for that reason.

 
Seahawks have given third-round pick C.J. Prosise reps with the wide receivers at rookie camp.
It's not because Prosise is converting back to his early-college position, but more a testament to his versatility. Coach Pete Carroll said Prosise "looked totally comfortable" at wideout and has "tremendous range in ability." Prosise averaged 6.6 yards per carry in his final year at Notre Dame and is ready to make a pass-catching impact in the NFL. He'll have a role right off the bat.

 
 
Source: Aaron Levine on Twitter
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Between his fumbles, vision, and the fact he sounds as if he's horrible in Pass protection, I just don't any real upside at the RB position now or long term. I do think he can be a gadget player kick returner special teams ect. I wouldn't spend anything close to a 2.1-2.5 however.

 
az_prof said:
Just watched his game vs Clemson to contrast with Henry, whose game against Clemson I also watched.  And I saw no wiggle or vision, just an upright speedster, and he looked far worse than Henry.  
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ND line was overwhelmed most of the game. I thought Prosise play was fine under the circumstances.  If Prosise can consistently make the right decisions, I think his athletic prowess will allow him to overtake  Rawls. Not an unbiased opinion as I've drafted Prosise  twice already.

 
John Boyle of the Seahawks' website expects rookie C.J. Prosise to have a "significant role" as Seattle's third-down running back.
Boyle has pegged Prosise for the old Fred Jackson role, especially when the Seahawks are in up-tempo offense. Jackson handled 299 snaps and 64 touches last season. Prosise is 13 years younger than Jackson and obviously better suited for a larger workload. In fantasy leagues, Prosise's floor should be an RB4 with low-level flex value. And we wouldn't rule out the possibility he challenges still-injured Thomas Rawls (ankle) for the Seahawks' starting job.

 
 
Source: seahawks.com 
Jun 7 - 8:19 PM
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Seahawks third-round RB C.J. Prosise missed "most" of the offseason program with a hip issue.
Coach Pete Carroll said the team is anxious to see more of Prosise, but confirmed they have a "big plan" for him. "He is a very natural football player, he is a tremendous athlete, he catches the ball well, he runs good routes, he does a lot of really cool things and we know he is an explosive runner," Carroll said. "We are really excited about it, but we are going to need to have to have a really good camp for him." Prosise has the inside track to third-down duties.

 
 
Source: Seattle Times 
Jun 28 - 4:25 PM
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C.J. Prosise will miss the next 7-10 days of training camp with a hamstring strain.
Coach Pete Carroll called it a "first-degree" strain -- the mildest kind -- but any lost time for Prosise is a missed opportunity in a highly competitive backfield. With Thomas Rawls (ankle) still on active/PUP, more reps will go to a reportedly more-mature Christine Michael in addition to rookies Alex Collins and Zac Brooks. Collins could end up carrying a heavy load in preseason games.

 
 
Source: Liz Mathews on Twitter 
Aug 1 - 3:56 PM
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Speaking Tuesday, Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said C.J. Prosise (hamstring) is falling behind.
"He's missed a ton, there's no other way to put it," Carroll said. Prosise will miss the Seahawks' preseason opener. Prosise is ticketed for third-down duties, but they could come up for grabs if he misses much more time in a backfield that isn't short on bodies. Working in Prosise's favor is that, at least on paper, he's by far the most natural fit for Fred Jackson's 2015 role.

 
 
Source: Liz Mathews on Twitter 
Aug 9 - 5:13 PM
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KJR Seattle's Curtis Crabtree believes third-rounder C.J. Prosise's health -- or lack thereof -- has put him in danger of falling out of the Seahawks' backfield rotation.
In a roster breakdown, Crabtree listed Prosise as on the "bubble," but it doesn't seem to be as grave as that. Prosise simply hasn't been able to stay healthy since he was picked 90th overall in April, battling a hip flexor in the spring and now missing two weeks with a hamstring injury. Prosise returned to practice the past two days, but he again required an ice pack on the hammy Tuesday. Christine Michael and Alex Collins have passed Prosise on the depth chart.

 
 
Source: KJR Seattle
Aug 16 - 10:20 PM
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Seahawks RB C.J. Prosise is expected to see time in Thursday's preseason game.
The third-round rookie missed Seattle's first two exhibition games. Prosise had been ticketed for third-down duties, but has since been passed up by a resurgent Christine Michael. Prosise isn't on the re-draft radar for Week 1.

 
 
Source: Liz Mathews on Twitter 
Aug 23 - 3:46 PM
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C.J. Prosise rushed four times for 23 yards in his preseason debut Thursday night.
Although he didn't quite stuff the stat sheet, this was a big step forward for Prosise after an injury-plagued spring and beginning to camp. He worked as the Seahawks' first-team third-down back behind Christine Michael, and also mixed in on some second-and-long plays. Neither Michael nor Thomas Rawls is adept in the passing game, so Prosise could have a Week 1 role. Prosise should be owned in all Dynasty leagues and belongs on re-draft watch lists.

 
 
 
Aug 26 - 12:39 AM
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Picked this guy up at the end of my dynasty/keeper league draft as a potential stash away.

Especially after missing some valuable camp time, he's got Rawls and Michael ahead of him and also and also have to fight off Collins?

It'll probably have to take another injury to Rawls for him to get meaningful playing time, but what do people now think of his re-draft and dynasty prospects?

 
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zamboni said:
Picked this guy up at the end of my dynasty/keeper league draft as a potential stash away.

Especially after missing some valuable camp time, he's got Rawls and Michael ahead of him and also and also have to fight off Collins?

It'll probably have to take another injury to Rawls for him to get meaningful playing time, but what do people now think of his re-draft and dynasty prospects?
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I think you got a potential steal getting him at the end of your draft. Rawls presents a formidable road block to Prosise getting starter's carries for the foreseeable future, and CMike is finally living up to some of the hype lauded upon him, but Prosise could step in quickly to a third-down role, giving him some PPR value, and he has the look of someone who could potentially develop into an every-down back.  Also, Rawls' violent running style could expose him to continued injury.  Finally, Rawls and CMike each have had some off-field issues in the past, and while they appear to have matured, it is a factor to keep in mind.

I am less excited about Prosise in redraft leagues, of course, but even then he has at least some likely PPR value.

I don't see Collins as a significant threat to Prosise's value at this point. Collins could get some short-yardage and goal-line work behind Rawls, but he is not in Prosise's class as a receiver, certainly, nor does he have the same type of potential as Prosise.  That is not meant as a slight to Collins, as he could find a role in the offense if Rawls is sidelined, just a different role from Prosise.  

 
zamboni said:
Picked this guy up at the end of my dynasty/keeper league draft as a potential stash away.

Especially after missing some valuable camp time, he's got Rawls and Michael ahead of him and also and also have to fight off Collins?

It'll probably have to take another injury to Rawls for him to get meaningful playing time, but what do people now think of his re-draft and dynasty prospects?
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Hard to say. Worth stashing and seeing what happens.

 
Took him at 15.01 in a 12-team PPR. 

One reason was I heard SEA loves the empty set, and Prosise could see a lot of WR snaps in that formation. 

 
I like this kid. A nice dynasty stash and deeper PPR redraft benches.

Could be factor much later in the season. He is very talented, has great hands and I love the way he glides. Fantastic agility.

 
Also has some good size at 6'1" 220. Not much experience at the RB position so he's got a lot to learn in terms of the ins and outs of the position. But if he can learn the position well, with his measurables and ability, he's got some real potential.

 
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What do you guys think of Prosise as an end of the bench spec pick up with Rawls out for a while?

Thinking of dropping Jonathan Grimes or Tyler Ervin (potential handcuff to my Miller) for him. 

 
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Phoenix212 said:
What do you guys think of Prosise as an end of the bench spec pick up with Rawls out for a while?

Thinking of dropping Jonathan Grimes or Tyler Ervin (potential handcuff to my Miller) for him. 
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I fear Christine Michael will need to fumble a bunch of times, get hurt or miss a team meeting or two for Prosise to gain relevance. Wait... maybe as a 3rd down back no matter what. I like his talent so I guess as a bench spec, what the heck.

 
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Okay just went back and watched some of his film. He's a natural runner. I'm sold. Just needs an opportunity. I'd stash him if I had room.

 
A role player that's capable of more to me is more valuable than a two down back who isn't good at anything but his job.

I've said it before I see Prosise as a similar player to David Johnson, he's seen as a raw pass catching back but he's a balanced back who has shown he's capable of everything. Granted DJ had a million miles in college but overall opinions of him were pretty dismissive. There's a lot of potential value there.

 
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Last week Michael saw his lowest snap percentage (52%) on the season. Prosise played on 43% of the snaps, a bump up for the 25% he saw the previous week. Michael was utilized 12 times (also a season low), Prosise 8 times.

Prosise definitely passes the eye test  and optimally this backfield should be a Rawls/Prosise timeshare IMO. Regardless, I think this guy needs to be grabbed with the upside that Rawls doesn't come back near full health.

 
SameSongNDance said:
Last week Michael saw his lowest snap percentage (52%) on the season. Prosise played on 43% of the snaps, a bump up for the 25% he saw the previous week. Michael was utilized 12 times (also a season low), Prosise 8 times.

Prosise definitely passes the eye test  and optimally this backfield should be a Rawls/Prosise timeshare IMO. Regardless, I think this guy needs to be grabbed with the upside that Rawls doesn't come back near full health.
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For context the Seahawks were also behind in the score which means they wanted to use their receiving RB specialist more.

Perhaps there will be a changing of the guard moving forward but I would think they still plan to play good defense and play with a lead, which could mean more playing time for Michael/Rawls as long as they can keep a lead.

While he had a good game receiving, keep in mind they were playing against the Saints and they still lost the game.

 
Biabreakable said:
For context the Seahawks were also behind in the score which means they wanted to use their receiving RB specialist more.

Perhaps there will be a changing of the guard moving forward but I would think they still plan to play good defense and play with a lead, which could mean more playing time for Michael/Rawls as long as they can keep a lead.

While he had a good game receiving, keep in mind they were playing against the Saints and they still lost the game.
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Good points. I'd be interested to see the Spiller usage (or the combined Spiller/Prosise) usage in game where SEA was trailing prior to this week.

 
RenegadeRoy said:
Good points. I'd be interested to see the Spiller usage (or the combined Spiller/Prosise) usage in game where SEA was trailing prior to this week.
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That might be worth looking into.

Based of Carrols comments it does seem like they have been wanting to change their offense somewhat to have a RB who is more of a receiving threat than Lynch, Michael or Rawls have been (not that Lynch was bad as a receiver).. Prosise seems the most likely fit for that role. They may be doing this in part because of the Cardinals success with David Johnson, a copy cat league, they want to add more of a receiving threat element to their offense.

So tabbing up the snap counts for Spiller and Prosise might paint a clearer picture as far as what the play time distribution could be moving forward if someone wanted to put that data together.

I think if a RB such as Prosise does earn a more significant target share of the passing game than what Seattle has used in the past, that this hurts the receivers somewhat. In an indirect way I think this hurts Lockett in particular, as Prosise might get some of those constraint play looks that otherwise may have been or be plays for Lockett.

 
It's been interesting to hear the hype here on local talk radio. The issue isn't whether or not Prosise has talent in their eyes, but rather that they're not certain that he can stand up to a full workload as the featured back. I think that both coaches and the fans are pretty fed up with Michael's lack of productivity, his failure to create any forward DRIVE when he's running and his lack of vision. If the Hawks could turn to Prosise and trust that he could stand up to the rigors of the full-time role, I think that they'd be doing that right now. And if he gets checked out by the doctors, and they don't think that Prosise is going to break down? Watch out.

The primary mitigating factor here is Rawls. If Rawls is able to come back this week or next, Prosise isn't getting the lions' share of carries even if his health allows. The team is fairly conservative when it comes to rushing guys back from injuries, though, so I think that we could see a heavy dose of Prosise spelling Rawls in the coming weeks.

 
I was at the Saints game, I thought he looked great. You could tell Carroll put him in just because he was effective. I don't doubt that if the run game (and even the pass game) continues to struggle then Carroll will go to him.

eta - Note one big chunk of yardage came off a somewhat trick play a lateral to the backup WR on one side of the field who then threw a beauty of a pass down the complete opposite side of the field. Beautiful play but hard to pull off.

 
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RenegadeRoy said:
Good points. I'd be interested to see the Spiller usage (or the combined Spiller/Prosise) usage in game where SEA was trailing prior to this week.
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There's some nice PPR appeal here. FJax had 40 targets last year with Lynch in front of him. I could see Prosise getting quite a bit more opportunity with only CMike and Rawls in his way. I'm excited to see Prosise does going forward. 

Edit- If we add Russ being banged up into the situation, Prosise could get even more opportunites. 

 
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Biabreakable said:
For context the Seahawks were also behind in the score which means they wanted to use their receiving RB specialist more.

Perhaps there will be a changing of the guard moving forward but I would think they still plan to play good defense and play with a lead, which could mean more playing time for Michael/Rawls as long as they can keep a lead.

While he had a good game receiving, keep in mind they were playing against the Saints and they still lost the game.
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Seattle led the entire game until 12:24 left in the 4th. They were playing from the lead the first 47 minutes.

On another note, Prosise had a wrist injury for the first half of the season and the team is usually cautious when players return from injury. He was the bell cow back at ND as a senior, so I think the FO thinks he 'could' be the bellcow in the NFL, even if his current skill set fits the third down back role better. He did look a little more trim than his listed 6'1" 220lbs, but he does have pretty thick thighs/hips/lower trunk.

Team is clearly disappointed with Michael's lack of aggressiveness - stepping out of bounds at the end of runs instead of punishing the DB - and the RB coach even said essentially "we don't coach that on this team". My guess is that this game sees Michael as the starter, and Prosise is the dedicated passing down back and the 2 minute offense back. With the poor play of the OL, that might mean that 2nd and 3rd downs are almost all for Prosise. Alternatively, we could see them splitting drives for the next game as the team decides who to run with until Rawls returns in 1-2 weeks (I think Carroll said not against Buffalo).

 
zamboni said:
Nice - maybe 

Nice - maybe just found my flex in a badly needed week with so many byes.
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The fact Pete has said something about this twice is really a good sign IMO.

If he gave us a canned response yesterday, he could have just beat around the bush or been more tactful in his response today to confirm CJPs presumed 3rd down role. Instead he gives us even more info on CJPs expanded role.

Glad I scooped yesterday after I saw Pete's first response. 

I mean, don't get me wrong, we all know coaches can't be trusted. But CJPs perceived value is higher to me than it was just yesterday.

 
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hamsterdam said:
The fact Pete has said something about this twice is really a good sign IMO.

If he just gave us a canned response yesterday, he could have just beat around the bush or been more tactful in his response today to confirm CJPs presumed 3rd down role. Instead he gives us even more info on CJPs expanded role.

Glad I scooped yesterday after I saw Pete's first response. 

I mean, don't get me wrong, we all know coaches can't be trusted. But CJPs perceived value is higher to me than it was just yesterday.
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True, even if he truly stays in the 3rd down role, that still can provide some value in PPR leagues this week and beyond. Wilson doesn't seem to be airing it out much thus far this year.

 
zamboni said:
True, even if he truly stays in the 3rd down role, that still can provide some value in PPR leagues this week and beyond. Wilson doesn't seem to be airing it out much thus far this year.
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Here is another tweet from a dude to move the potential train along.

Telling comment from Carroll on C.J. Prosise...Expect to see a lot more of him Monday as an every down back.

— Jason Puckett (@JasonPuckett20) November 3, 2016

I have no idea what his relation is to the Seahawks but he has 16k Twitter followers and looks to do sports radio in Seattle.

 
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hamsterdam said:
Here is another tweet from a dude to move the potential train along.

Telling comment from Carroll on C.J. Prosise...Expect to see a lot more of him Monday as an every down back.

— Jason Puckett (@JasonPuckett20) November 3, 2016

I have no idea what his relation is to the Seahawks but he has 16k Twitter followers and looks to do sports radio in Seattle.
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