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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (3 Viewers)

wikkidpissah said:
I'll never forget the first time i heard a song i was involved in the recording of on the radio. It was Orleans "Let There Be Music". Now, i had heard it every take & track & beat of it 417 times as it was being put together, but the car radio made it a whole nuther. Turn it up!
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No album discussion would be complete without Orleans and this classic artwork cover.

http://thefw.com/orleans-waking-dreaming/

 
Gr00vus said:
Sublime is a zillion times better than about half of the stuff brought up in this thread so far. Sublime has nothing to do with "classic" rock though. This has really just become Tim's thread to talk about artists and albums he likes (or thinks are important in some way). Should probably change the thread title accordingly.
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The thread title refers to classic albums, not classic rock. I have already chosen several albums that aren’t classic rock. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Obviously I can't speak to how things were in the 50s or 70s, but I think the monoculture was very strong in the 90s and didn't really begin to break up until the 2000s. I could easily list dozens and dozens of bands/artists and songs that were cross generationally popular/famous. Mambo No. 5, Who Let the Dogs Out, Britney and Christina, MC Hammer, Nirvana, the Latin invasion, 2Pac vs Biggie, that Goo Goo Dolls song form the Nick Cage movie, Hootie and so on. 
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I mean, I guess people remember "Electric Avenue" if you want to pick wedding reception songs. You are way overestimating what was huge in your world with what the world at large was aware of.

Lol at Mr & Mrs Greenblatt in Peoria knowing about 2Pac vs Biggie and the friggin' Goo Goo Dolls.

It's been fragmenting since - at least - the MASH finale and Thriller. 

 
This doesn't have anything to do with the discussion at hand, but SXM still has Tom Petty's Buried Treasure shows archived. Great mix of blues, rock, country, soul, and pretty much everything else Petty liked - DJ'd by Tom himself. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I am about to argue with you about a point I maybe made that you then translated which probably means I am insane. But here we are. There was a particular strain of late 90s rock which had a lot of reggae and rap influence. It mostly was awful (Limp Bizkit for example). However, Sublime was actually very good. Extra credit is deserved for being one of the few bands to actually do this style well. It was a cultural moment. Their self titled album spent over 2 years on the Billboard charts and they had 3 songs from it that were rock radio staples and still are today. STP and Sublime had classic albums in the sense that they made rock albums that were extra great for their time and are still great today. 
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I like sublime. I mean sometimes I just wanna have fun listening to music and tunes like smoke two joints.....

STP rules.....

Best grunge band is Alice in chains.....by far

 
The Jimi Hendrix Experience- Are You Experienced

Purple Haze

Manic Depression

Hey Joe

Love or Confusion

May This Be Love

I Don’t Live Today

The Wind Cries Mary

Fire

Third Stone From the Sun

Foxey Lady

Are You Experienced? 

Stone Free

51st Anniversary

Highway Chili

Can You See Me

Remember 

Red House

Greatest rock guitar player ever? Not sure but at least he has an argument. And he’s an underrated blues guy too- listen to the amazing licks on “Red House”. 

Mix those guitar skills with an expressive singing style (especially on ballads like “The Wind Cries Mary”) an impressive band, and most of all one great song after another and you get perhaps the greatest debut in rock history and certainly one of the best albums of all time. 

 
timschochet said:
The Jimi Hendrix Experience- Are You Experienced
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Jimi Hendrix wasn't a guitar player. He was an honest-to-god wizard. Nobody's playing the same instrument, even now. No one will tell you that more than guitar players. It's not a contest. More transcendent than even the Beatles, the only possible comparison in 20th C music is Bird Parker turning chords into melodies and even that doesn't speak to the sonic alchemy in Hendrix's magic axe.

 
I am much more enamored with Jimi as a guitar player than a singer/songwriter - much like Clapton. But Jimi’s playing is so transcendent that you just have to listen to the axe wizardry and put everything else aside.

 
zamboni said:
I am much more enamored with Jimi as a guitar player than a singer/songwriter - much like Clapton. But Jimi’s playing is so transcendent that you just have to listen to the axe wizardry and put everything else aside.
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Axis: Bold As Love is as tight a bit and wide an array of songwriting as you'll find from a 60s solo artist and Manic, Fire & Foxey from this'n stand among Rock's 1st & best singlefying. Totally underrated singer, too. Again first & best black artist for singing in front of the beat. Other than that, i'm not impressed....

 
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Jimi is one of the very, very few who stepped into another dimension and managed to bring you with him. The best debut I can think of, for sure.

 
Apple Jack said:
Jimi is one of the very, very few who stepped into another dimension and managed to bring you with him. The best debut I can think of, for sure.
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That's a good way to put it.   Jimi made interesting music that will always stand the test of time. His music is not able to be reproduced by anyone.   The songs can be covered and even covered well but there will always be that Jimi magic missing.  

 
I am more of an admirer of Hendrix than a fan.  His greatness and influence are undeniable, but I have never owned an album by him or gone out of my way to hear him.  The stuff I hear here and there is always good, but it's just not stuff I gravitate towards.  Certainly the most influential rock guitarist ever. 

 
tim, keep doing what you're doing here.  Keep throwing the occasional breaking pitch like Sublime and Foreigner.  When you come back with albums like Are You Experienced?  the greatness of the top-tier albums stand out even more. 

My feelings on Jimi are similar to what is expressed here.  Clearly a virtuoso, more admirer than fan.  And thankful, so thankful, for Are You Experienced? because of everyone who listened to that album and inspired them to pick up a guitar, or already played and wanted to get better.    

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
tim, keep doing what you're doing here.  Keep throwing the occasional breaking pitch like Sublime and Foreigner.  When you come back with albums like Are You Experienced?  the greatness of the top-tier albums stand out even more.     
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This is my favorite thread by far in the last few months.   And who cares if some albums are disliked by some posters.  Opposing views make discussions interesting.  

 
Absolutely phenomenal album here.  Perhaps my judgement is clouded due to the fact that Jimi released so few albums and this one was really the core of my Jimi exposure.  I love 51st Anniversary, but I don't think it was on the original release.

 
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I think Are You Experienced is a great album. Jimi hated his voice, but I thought it was fine, and his guitar singing made up for whatever he thought his vocals lacked. My favorite song on the album is "The Wind Cries Mary." 

 
That sublime was great.  No more complaints.

i agree that Hendrix as a creative force and straight conduit to another realm overrides his songwriting, but he definitely could write a nice tune and just flat out blew apart the musical landscape.  This album really is a powerhouse.  I would have to go back and re-listen to a couple of those, but for the most part reading the track listing there isn’t a loser in the bunch.

 
With all the (rightful) attention on Jimi's guitar playing, I think his vocals get short shrift.  I absolutely love his voice and his delivery of a song.

Also, he was sexy AF.

 
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Getz/Gilberto (1964)

The Girl from Impanena

Doralice

Para Machuchar Meu Coracao

Desafinado

Corcovado

So Danco Samba

O Grande Amor

Vivo Sonhando

This record introduced the western world to the soft Bossa Nova jazz of Brazil’s greatest songwriter, Carlos Antonio Jobim. And much of what makes the album magical was accidental: Joao Gilberto’s wife Astrud was used on a practice recording simply to keep time; she was not a singer. Getz found her so enchanting that he kept her vocals on the record and history was made. 

This is one of the most soothing, relaxing records I can think of. 

 
Since bebop, the point of jazz has been to reach, to extend music's parameters and explore. But the vital motive of jazz is to swing. If it does not swing, it is not jazz, something the modernists often forget. Thankfully, Latin & AfroCuban rhythms have been a wonderful way to keep jazz swinging while we figure out how next to explore with it and this sweet sweet record was at the forefront of that. As Jobim would later write, "it's the end of all strain/it's the joy in your heart."

 
wikkidpissah said:
Since bebop, the point of jazz has been to reach, to extend music's parameters and explore.
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Ever read Sometimes A Great Notion by Kesey? There's a long passage about bebop and how much Kesey hates it. 

Just spitballing. It's interesting, that's all. What makes bebop so different, such a departure, wikkid?  

 
rockaction said:
Ever read Sometimes A Great Notion by Kesey? There's a long passage about bebop and how much Kesey hates it. 

Just spitballing. It's interesting, that's all. What makes bebop so different, such a departure, wikkid?  
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I can’t speak with the expertise of Wikkid, but personally I like a little melody in my music, a little accessibility. This album has all that, and I enjoy listening to it. Kind of Blue, which we explored earlier, is a masterpiece, but I don’t enjoy it. 

Some analogies: this album is The Great Gatsby; Kind of Blue is Ulysses by James Joyce. This album is a Van Gogh; Kind of Blue is Jackson Pollack. 

 
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timschochet said:
I can’t speak with the expertise of Willis, but personally I like a little melody in my music, a little accessibility. This album has all that, and I enjoy listening to it. Kind of Blue, which we explored earlier, is a masterpiece, but I don’t enjoy it. 

Some analogies: this album is The Great Gatsby; Kind of Blue is Ulysses by James Joyce. This album is a Van Gogh; Kind of Blue is Jackson Pollack. 
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Whatchoo talking 'bout, Willis? 

Nah, just kidding. I get what you're saying with the analogies. To me, bop is in the abstract of musical forms as far as enjoyment goes. I see it, but can't get into it. Bebop. Hardbop. All the bops. If the American form of music is jazz, as was pointed out upthread, it's quite possible that the anti-democratic bop is why it was lost. Maybe Kesey was onto something with his little digression in the book. Then again, I like some harder to get into jazz musicians, so maybe it's just me.   

Here's a thought, too, with a lead from the host of a late night talk show (NSFW): 

Act Won (Things Fall Apart)

 
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rockaction said:
Whatchoo talking 'bout, Willis? 

Nah, just kidding. I get what you're saying with the analogies. To me, bop is in the abstract of musical forms as far as enjoyment goes. I see it, but can't get into it. Bebop. Hardbop. All the bops. If the American form of music is jazz, as was pointed out upthread, it's quite possible that the anti-democratic bop is why it was lost. Maybe Kesey was onto something with his little digression in the book. Then again, I like some harder to get into jazz musicians, so maybe it's just me.   

Here's a thought, too, with a lead from the host of a late night talk show (NSFW): 

https://youtu.be/Ahgu2iJDXFI?list=RDAhgu2iJDXFI&t=2
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Ken Burns made a very strong argument in his excellent documentary that the American form of music IS jazz. 

I’m not so sure. It seems to me that blues, country, rock, the standards of artists like Cole Porter, the Broadway showtune- all of these could rightfully be called the American form of music. 

 
rockaction said:
Ever read Sometimes A Great Notion by Kesey? There's a long passage about bebop and how much Kesey hates it. 

Just spitballing. It's interesting, that's all. What makes bebop so different, such a departure, wikkid?  
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I guess bebop began when Charlie Parker began playing with Dizzy Gillespie and Diz saw that, instead of extending the melody notes for improvisational choruses, that Bird was extending the chords when he improvised. Gillespie was a very intellectual cat and puzzled out the order-chaos-order part of that, then Thelonious Monk carried it on by putting the chaos in front of the order, then Miles & Gil Evans started trying to chart that and Trane swooped in with his Music of the Spheres and there you go - the first artistic deconstruction of a popular cultural element, i guess. Both my historical and technical understanding of music is weak, so maybe someone else can take you further, but that is my point of reference, bopwise

 
wikkidpissah said:
I guess bebop began when Charlie Parker began playing with Dizzy Gillespie and Diz saw that, instead of extending the melody notes for improvisational choruses, that Bird was extending the chords when he improvised. Gillespie was a very intellectual cat and puzzled out the order-chaos-order part of that, then Thelonious Monk carried it on by putting the chaos in front of the order, then Miles & Gil Evans started trying to chart that and Trane swooped in with his Music of the Spheres and there you go - the first artistic deconstruction of a popular cultural element, i guess. Both my historical and technical understanding of music is weak, so maybe someone else can take you further, but that is my point of reference, bopwise
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That's about tenfold better than I can do, so thanks, wikkid.  

 
timschochet said:
Ken Burns made a very strong argument in his excellent documentary that the American form of music IS jazz. 

I’m not so sure. It seems to me that blues, country, rock, the standards of artists like Cole Porter, the Broadway showtune- all of these could rightfully be called the American form of music. 
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Interesting about Ken Burns. Anything he does becomes democratic in its own way, to follow the theme I was getting at. 

I agree with you. Country is up there as the American form of music along with jazz. Any popular amalgamation of older rhythms and forms could be called the American music, though I know you love the popular. 

;)

 
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So I’ve been playing this album all morning while watching the various breaking news stories about Kavenaugh and Rosenstein. It’s the perfect background music for the absurdity that is Washington politics. 

 
Binky The Doormat said:
I prefer Todd's bossa nova album "With A Twist".  
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This inspired me to try singing one of the few crooner songs i've written, Blue Martini ,- intended to be what the guy in One For My Baby ("It's quarter to three...) was singing @ 7pm ("Blue Martini/Twist of fate/What a day it's been/Life is fleeting/Train is leaving/Cant be late for the state I'm in")  to the bossa nova beat track of my Yamaha. Worked like a charm. I'll give you a credit on my multi-minimum-selling album when it comes out.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
This inspired me to try singing one of the few crooner songs, Blue Martini ,- intended to be what the guy in One For My Baby ("It's quarter to three...) was singing @ 7pm ("Blue Martini/Twist of fate/What a day it's been/Life is fleeting/Train is leaving/Cant be late for the state I'm in") i've written to the bossa nova beat track of my Yamaha. Worked like a charm. I'll give you a credit on my multi-minimum-selling album when it comes out.
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instahit. 

 
Free- Fire and Water

Fire and Water

Oh I Wept

Remember

Heavy Load

Mr. Big

Don’t Say You Love Me

All Right Now 

Free was a very young band when they recorded this, their masterpiece: Paul Rodgers and Paul Kossoff were each only 20. Bassist Andy Fraser was 17. Yet they understood blues rock as well as any of the other great bands of the time. 

“All Right Now” has endured as an all time classic, but this record is filled with excellent songs, particulary “Oh I Wept” and “Heavy Load”. 

 
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