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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (4 Viewers)

I'm not sure if they started getting exposure right away in 1991 or a little later.  I first heard it when I was in high school.  It seemed like the airwaves had been jammed with hairbands and hip hop at the time and I was getting tired of both.  I had heard a little early grunge before this but it didn't really resonate the way that Nirvana's sound did.  It was like a breath of fresh air that carried me though my formative years in high school.  

A bunch of my friends and I bought tickets for Lollapalooza '94 in Philly in the summer right after our senior years in high school and Nirvana was the band I was most looking forward to.  Unfortunately, things went downhill for the band after we bought the tickets and they pulled out before the show.  Not long after was Kurt Cobain's suicide 3 days before my 18th birthday. 

The Philly show gained some notoriety from Courtney Love coming out and singing a couple of songs in remembrance of Cobain before the final set (Smashing Pumpkins).  I remember it clearly because I had gotten separated from my friends and just kept working my way towards the stage.  I was right on the rail for both.

 
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Bull Dozier said:
Nirvana was playing punk, while Pearl jam was more inspired by classic rock. I'm no fan of punk, but I think that would explain PJs more melodic music (and maybe more relavence to this thread).
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Interesting take. We'll discuss more than one punk album coming up later on, but it's probably no surprise that my tastes in punk rock run towards the more accessible, melodic songs. (In fact, that's the way I am with regard to ALL genres of music.)

 
Lehigh98 said:
I'm not sure if they started getting exposure right away in 1991 or a little later.  I first heard it when I was in high school.  It seemed like the airwaves had been jammed with hairbands and hip hop at the time and I was getting tired of both.  I had heard a little early grunge before this but it didn't really resonate the way that Nirvana's sound did.  It was like a breath of fresh air that carried me though my formative years in high school.  

A bunch of my friends and I bought tickets for Lollapalooza '94 in the summer right after our senior years in high school and Nirvana was the band I was most looking forward to.  Unfortunately, things went downhill for the band after we bought the tickets and they pulled out before the show.  Not long after was Kurt Cobain's suicide 3 days before my 18th birthday.  
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Looking back at that time period, I always think of that movie Rock Star with Mark Wahlberg.  It's not a very good movie, pretty awful in fact, but what stays in my memory is that he's in a hair band, yet by the end of the movie he's singing grunge in a coffee house, having "found himself."

 
wikkidpissah said:
Yeah, "Undercover of the Night" was the last Stones track that got an  "Awwww, yeeAH" from me & that was 35 yrs ago.
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Even so, he's the one timeless figure of rock and roll. Would not surprise me if he survives every artist we will review in this thread. At age 102 he'll be on stage, cigarette dangling out of his mouth, playing old guitar licks.  I was about to add that he'll look like death warmed over, but that's the way he's looked for about 4 decades now anyhow. 

 
wikkidpissah said:
Yeah, "Undercover of the Night" was the last Stones track that got an  "Awwww, yeeAH" from me & that was 35 yrs ago.
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The Stones have had the occasional catchy song and their blues album a few years ago was fun but they've been the World's Greatest Rolling Stones Tribute Band for decades now.

 
Mrs. Eephus was six months pregnant when we saw Nirvana perform in late Oct 1991.  We sat in the balcony of the Warfield Theater in light of her delicate condition but she still got some pretty good kicks from our unborn daughter.

 
timschochet said:
Nirvana- Nevermind (1991)

Over time my feelings have softened. A turning point for me was finally watching the MTV Unplugged show on video, and their performance of "The Man Who Sold the World", always one of my favorite Bowie songs. And I began to appreciate some of grunge music...a little. I'll never be a huge fan. But damn this album sure did affect a whole lot of people, and all kinds of rock "experts" think highly of it, so here it is.
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Always thought it was funny that the 'kids' who so Nirvana on that Unplugged show said 'What a great Nirvana song! What album of theirs is it on??' most not realizing for a while that it just a cover.

 
Where Did You Sleep Last Night is one of the finest covers of a traditional song you'll ever hear. Nirvana was magic, Mudhoney better.   

 
Mark Arm stuffs records for Sub Pop still, after coming down from a heroin addiction. Sort of sad, but it's great the label has picked him up in a way few companies would.  

 
And Andrew Wood was finest when Mother Love Bone cut Chloe Dancer. Just an awesome tune.  

Chloe dance the table in the French Quarter...

 
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Ilov80s said:
He is one of the most rare exceptions where he has managed to stay cool.
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I dunno. I guess I gave up on the "better to burn out than fade away" thing a long time ago.  Kurt Cobain putting a shotgun in his mouth is just sad & pathetic to me - not something to mythologize. 

I'm both glad and think it's cool that:

I got to see Ray Charles in his 60s. 

Can still listen to Willie Nelson put out good music in his freaking 80s.

Ditto for Tony Bennett, except he's in his 90s isn't he?

George Clinton is STILL gettin' down just for the funk of it.

Paul McCartney, at 75, still bringing it.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I dunno. I guess I gave up on the "better to burn out than fade away" thing a long time ago.  Kurt Cobain putting a shotgun in his mouth is just sad & pathetic to me - not something to mythologize. 

I'm both glad and think it's cool that:

I got to see Ray Charles in his 60s. 

Can still listen to Willie Nelson put out good music in his freaking 80s.

Ditto for Tony Bennett, except he's in his 90s isn't he?

George Clinton is STILL gettin' down just for the funk of it.

Paul McCartney, at 75, still bringing it.
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Frances Bean Cobain is 25 and should have first hand memories of her dad

 
You guys ever see the movie Creed? It's kind of a spin-forward of the Rocky franchise.

Anyway, Apollo Creed's out-of-wedlock son is trying to talk Rocky into training him and Rocky tells the young man that people die in the ring - just like Adonis' father did. Adonis goes on about how his father did exactly what he wanted to do (& thus died before knowing about Adonis). And Rocky responds "I think he'd rather be here talking to you".

That's kind of how I feel about some of the musicians we're talking about. It doesn't matter that they are past their peaks, it's that they are still here and giving joy. Dying young doesn't make them heroes.

When's the last time Aretha Franklin had a hit? Listen to/watch this tribute she (in her 70s) did for Carole King a few years ago at the Kennedy Center. 

 
Was a Senior in HS when Nevermind came out - I like Pearl Jam a little better because Nirvana put out some craptastic songs but SLTS is the singular song that takes me back to my youth and high school days.  I felt like I had never heard anything like it.  Blew me away.  

 
Uruk-Hai said:
You guys ever see the movie Creed? It's kind of a spin-forward of the Rocky franchise.

Anyway, Apollo Creed's out-of-wedlock son is trying to talk Rocky into training him and Rocky tells the young man that people die in the ring - just like Adonis' father did. Adonis goes on about how his father did exactly what he wanted to do (& thus died before knowing about Adonis). And Rocky responds "I think he'd rather be here talking to you".

That's kind of how I feel about some of the musicians we're talking about. It doesn't matter that they are past their peaks, it's that they are still here and giving joy. Dying young doesn't make them heroes.

When's the last time Aretha Franklin had a hit? Listen to/watch this tribute she (in her 70s) did for Carole King a few years ago at the Kennedy Center. 
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Had a friend that started a group called "Future Suicide Heroes." He was from Weselyan. No kidding.  He hated the thought.   

 
I prefer Soundgarden and Pearl Jam over Nirvana but SLTS is the song that started me on the "Seattle Sound". From the opening chords the first time I heard it I knew something great was coming.

 
Never heard anything as sonically heavy before Nirvana or since. There’s this groove to their music that is just primal. I actually haven’t listened to them much in a while. Time to change that. Incesticide is a great album.

Kicks soooo much ###.

 
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so the guy who defended roman polanski starts a thread about an album with a naked kid on the cover yeah no thanks take that to the bank brohans

 
timschochet said:
Looking back at that time period, I always think of that movie Rock Star with Mark Wahlberg.  It's not a very good movie, pretty awful in fact, but what stays in my memory is that he's in a hair band, yet by the end of the movie he's singing grunge in a coffee house, having "found himself."
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Love the Steel Dragon songs from that movie.  

 
I hold this truth to be self evident, Screaming Trees were the best band to come out of the early 90s Seattle scene

 
Prefer In Utero, but still enjoy this album. The second half of Nevermind is a better listen for me, I’m past burned out on Teen Spirit and Come as you are.  In Bloom and Lithium are still good listens, but Drain You, Lounge Act, and On a Plain tend to be the songs I look forward to most now. 

 
Sullie said:
Exactly.  ACDC and Van Halen (to me) bridged the gap between Zeppelin to that point and Def Leppard, Crue, Ozzy picked it up from there but I agree, when you got crap like White Lion, Poison, those Nelson sisters, etc. that was the train went off the track.  GNR was like auto-correct for rock music, they deleted the hair and sissy outfits, replaced stale, repetitive music with excellent, well played, loud, in your face music and pretty much lead the charge to wipe out the #### show that metal had turned into.
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Graduating HS in '86, I was the typical heavy metal kid.   I lived metal.  However, as you pointed out, the hair bands got ridiculous and something had to come along to get bands back to the music and less on the hair and outfits.   GnR was the first punch and grunge was the knock out blow.   And, the good bands, such as Maiden, Metallica, Ozzy, Priest, VH made it through as they should have.  

Oddly, I find myself liking some hair band songs again these days.  WhiteLion, Warrent, Poison have a few songs that I like more today than I did in the late 80s.   Maybe it's because I don't watch the videos and I don't see the ridiculous costumes?   Maybe it's because I listen to hair bands in small doses?   

Appetite is one of my top 5 albums.  It is raw and full of energy.  It is a fun album to listen to when driving and excellent for workouts.    I still listen to the whole album frequently.   I love Night train and brownstone   

Teen Spirit was a great song and an awakening but I just don't like more than two or three Nirvana songs at a time.   Cobain was not much of a guitar player but I don't know anyone that did as much with so little.  His song crafting was simple but genius.   Never mind was a great album but I rarely play it.  

 
SWC said:
probably but so is defending a rapist i guess that is what im getting at take that to the bank brohan 
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I could explain myself again (I’ve done so dozens of times) but it’s the wrong thread for it. Love you SWC and hope you stick around to discuss the music. 

(Oh and incidentally I hate that cover. Might be my least favorite album cover of all time.) 

 
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Shrugs said:
Heh. Singles soundtrack was so good top to bottom.
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Most people know Screaming Trees for their song on Singles.  I'm sure the soundtrack outsold all the band's other records put together.

Their final album "Dust" is their masterpiece and one of the finest records of the decade.  It was released in 1996 well after Grunge's moment.  The sound has much more in common with 70s classic rock than Grunge.  It rocks hard but it also packed with melodic hooks and Mark Lanegan's sweet vocals.

 
DocHolliday said:
Graduating HS in '86, I was the typical heavy metal kid.   I lived metal.  However, as you pointed out, the hair bands got ridiculous and something had to come along to get bands back to the music and less on the hair and outfits.   GnR was the first punch and grunge was the knock out blow.   And, the good bands, such as Maiden, Metallica, Ozzy, Priest, VH made it through as they should have.  

Oddly, I find myself liking some hair band songs again these days.  WhiteLion, Warrent, Poison have a few songs that I like more today than I did in the late 80s.   Maybe it's because I don't watch the videos and I don't see the ridiculous costumes?   Maybe it's because I listen to hair bands in small doses?   

Appetite is one of my top 5 albums.  It is raw and full of energy.  It is a fun album to listen to when driving and excellent for workouts.    I still listen to the whole album frequently.   I love Night train and brownstone   

Teen Spirit was a great song and an awakening but I just don't like more than two or three Nirvana songs at a time.   Cobain was not much of a guitar player but I don't know anyone that did as much with so little.  His song crafting was simple but genius.   Never mind was a great album but I rarely play it.  
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Graduated in '86 as well, we're effing OLD dude! :)   It's rare I find myself agreeing 100% with anyone such is the case here, I'm in agreement with 99% of what you wrote.  In fac, I listen to GNR still, I really enjoy Nevermind but I never listen to it and when I was 18-19 years old I recall months at a time when my rotation was exclusively Dokken, Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Ratt, Ozzy, Priest, VH, etc.  My only difference being I still can't stand White Lion or Poison. . . really hate Poison but Warrant I did and still do kind of like. 

I'm pretty sure, they themselves hated Cherry Pie, it's a dumb song they were forced to put on an otherwise good album and I'm pretty certain they resented it. Down boys is stupid too, never cared for that one either.  However, Uncle Tom's Cabin on the other hand, to me, is one of the most underrated songs of that time.  The first time I heard that song I thought "wow, this is excellent, wait this is the same band that does that stupid cherry pie song, really?"  I do think that song is very well done.

 
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exclusively Dokken,
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I’ve told this story before but it’s been a few years: although I know next to nothing about hair bands I did know Don Dokken in a way, briefly. My girlfriend (who is now my wife)’s good friend dated him for a while- this was around 1993 and I think he was already considered washed up. But she was a looker- her name was Marie and she thought she was in love with him. 

Anyhow one night Marie comes over to our apartment in tears- she got into a big fight with Dokken! She asked if she could spend the night wouldn’t say what it was about. Then the phone rings, I pick it up and this guy says “Hi uh this is Don, is Marie there?” So she gets on the phone with him and they have a screaming match, and she keeps saying “Yes I love you but I’m not interested in that! Why do you keep asking me? I’m not going to do that! I don’t care that you’re going on tour tomorrow  Don if you love me I’ll come over but I won’t do that, OK!”

She got off the phone and told us that Don wanted to have a threesome with Marie and some other girl tonight, and that if she wasn’t into that she didn’t really love him. My wife yelled and scolded her, but I’m afraid I might have smirked because my wife yelled at me and sent me out of the room- like it was my fault! Marie didn’t end up spending the night so I assume she went to see Don- never did learn what happened next. We lost touch with her after that. 

 
timschochet said:
I’ve told this story before but it’s been a few years: although I know next to nothing about hair bands I did know Don Dokken in a way, briefly. My girlfriend (who is now my wife)’s good friend dated him for a while- this was around 1993 and I think he was already considered washed up. But she was a looker- her name was Marie and she thought she was in love with him. 

Anyhow one night Marie comes over to our apartment in tears- she got into a big fight with Dokken! She asked if she could spend the night wouldn’t say what it was about. Then the phone rings, I pick it up and this guy says “Hi uh this is Don, is Marie there?” So she gets on the phone with him and they have a screaming match, and she keeps saying “Yes I love you but I’m not interested in that! Why do you keep asking me? I’m not going to do that! I don’t care that you’re going on tour tomorrow  Don if you love me I’ll come over but I won’t do that, OK!”

She got off the phone and told us that Don wanted to have a threesome with Marie and some other girl tonight, and that if she wasn’t into that she didn’t really love him. My wife yelled and scolded her, but I’m afraid I might have smirked because my wife yelled at me and sent me out of the room- like it was my fault! Marie didn’t end up spending the night so I assume she went to see Don- never did learn what happened next. We lost touch with her after that. 
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