timschochet
Footballguy
Yep. It’s been discussed before; all black artists simply disappeared. Even Stevie Wonder. Thin Lizzy might be the only exception I can think of, and I think their lead singer was from Dublin.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter timschochet
- Start date
jwb
Footballguy
Wasn't old enough when it came out to know if it got any radio play, but like others here have said, zero P-funk on 80's and 90's Classic Rock radio. The only black guy you'd hear on classic rock radio was Hendrix.
Last edited by a moderator:
simey
Footballguy
Maggot Brain is a fun funky album. George Clinton & Parliament Funkadelic (that is how it is billed) is/are playing in a nightclub parking lot here in town on Friday night. I'm not sure why the show is being performed in the parking lot instead of inside, but tickets are $32 and $55.
Last edited by a moderator:
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
timschochet
Footballguy
Nope. They got plenty of radio play in the early 70s, but once AOR started the riot went on without them.
zamboni
Footballguy
I've heard "Dance To The Music" and "Everyday People" from time to time on local AOR stations over the years, but not frequently.
Also have heard War and The Chambers Brothers on such stations, and more recently, Living Colour, but it's not an extensive list of black artists you'll hear on plain vanilla (pun unintentional) classic rock.
Last edited by a moderator:
timschochet
Footballguy
The Byrds- Mr. Tambourine Man (1965)
Mr. Tambourine Man
Feel A Whole Lot Better
Spanish Harlem Incident
You Won’t Have to Cry
Here Without You
The Bells of Rhymney
All I Really Want to Do
Its No Use
I Knew I’d Want You
Don’t Doubt Yourself Babe
Chimes of Freedom
We’ll Meet Again
The Byrds made Los Angeles the center of the folk rock universe, mainly due to Roger McGuinn’s jingly jangly 12 string Rickenbacker, great harmony vocals by David Crosby, and a couple of legendary songwriters named Bob Dylan and Pete Seeger. The band covers Dylan 4 times on this album: the title song, “Spanish Harlem Incident”, “All I Really Want to Do”, and the classic “Chimes of Freedom”, probably the definitive version. Gene Clark adds some filler along with the excellent rock song “Feel A Whole Lot Better” which Tom Petty, ever a Byrds fanatic, would cover exactly (and I mean exactly) 25 years later.
But it’s probably Pete Seeger’s “The Bells of Rhymny” which best represents the band at their height of folky goodness.
Mr. Tambourine Man
Feel A Whole Lot Better
Spanish Harlem Incident
You Won’t Have to Cry
Here Without You
The Bells of Rhymney
All I Really Want to Do
Its No Use
I Knew I’d Want You
Don’t Doubt Yourself Babe
Chimes of Freedom
We’ll Meet Again
The Byrds made Los Angeles the center of the folk rock universe, mainly due to Roger McGuinn’s jingly jangly 12 string Rickenbacker, great harmony vocals by David Crosby, and a couple of legendary songwriters named Bob Dylan and Pete Seeger. The band covers Dylan 4 times on this album: the title song, “Spanish Harlem Incident”, “All I Really Want to Do”, and the classic “Chimes of Freedom”, probably the definitive version. Gene Clark adds some filler along with the excellent rock song “Feel A Whole Lot Better” which Tom Petty, ever a Byrds fanatic, would cover exactly (and I mean exactly) 25 years later.
But it’s probably Pete Seeger’s “The Bells of Rhymny” which best represents the band at their height of folky goodness.
timschochet
Footballguy
Bump. No love for the Byrds?
jwb
Footballguy
I get their importance to the time, but they never did much for me. Eight Miles High is an ok song, but they occupied a weird spot sound-wise: too "rock" to be considered folk, too soft to be considered rock, and I wouldn't call them soft rock either... CSN / CSNY did it much better (but of course, without the Byrds, CSNY doesn't exist).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I like the Parsons' era Byrds better - but there are some really nice songs here and really love McGuinn's jangly guitar sound.
I did not realize "Feel A Whole Lot Better" was a Gene Clark song - always sounded like McGuinn to me - and agree the Petty cover is really good (and that made me think it was a McGuinn song even more since their vocals are nearly identical).
McGuinn and Petty did a duet together on a 90s McGuinn record and it's funny how much they sound like each other: King of the Hill
I did not realize "Feel A Whole Lot Better" was a Gene Clark song - always sounded like McGuinn to me - and agree the Petty cover is really good (and that made me think it was a McGuinn song even more since their vocals are nearly identical).
McGuinn and Petty did a duet together on a 90s McGuinn record and it's funny how much they sound like each other: King of the Hill
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
Stoneys
MudCat
I really like the Byrds as my Dad got me listening to them. Roger McGuinn and Chris Hillman are touring on the 50th Anniversary of "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" album with Marty Stuart and his Fabulous Superlatives backing them up. My Dad and I are going to the show here in Pittsburgh.
Last edited by a moderator:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Love this album. It's just such a fun and easy listen. I am glad it made on the list even if it is kind of outside of the realm of many FBGers typical tunes. Hopefully someone checked it out for the first time.
Kind of Blue is to straight forward to be compared to James Joyce. I get that steam of consciousness idea but it's really more like Sun Also Rises. It's not hard to follow or make sense of, it just doesn't have a plot in the traditional sense. They meander through whatever corner bar or side of the Pyrenees it prefers at the time. The Joyce stuff is more more like Ornette Coleman or other avant-garde jazz that branched off with him. The schooled literary types will love it and most others will think it's absolutely nonsense.
zamboni
Footballguy
King of the Hill is a quality lesser known song.Dr. Octopus said:
I actually liked Petty's 1985 rendition of So You Want To Be A Rock and Roll Star better than the original.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed. Same with the rest of the band - it's not often that Mike Campbell smiles.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Love The Byrds. I still pull out my old LPs and play them. I think my favorite song is My back Pages. I know they did a lot of Dylan covers including this one. To be honest I like their covers of Dylan songs than Dylans versions. I know heresy.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Nah, there are some amazing Dylan covers. My dad always says Dylan was the best songwriter because literally any artist of any genre can take somethig of his and make it their own. Easily the most covered artist. Conversely, he said The Beach Boys were probably the least because who the hell can do those harmonies?
simey
Footballguy
I think Mr. Tambourine Man is a good album, although it isn't my favorite by The Byrds. The song "Mr. Tambourine Man" makes me think of the Cheers episode where Frasier had hypnotized Lilith to undress when she hears the word tambourine. A patron in the bar played the song on the jukebox to see her start taking off her clothes. That scene has been cut out of reruns on Hulu, DVD box, etc. I guess it was cut out due to copyright reasons.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Yep Dylan was a hell of a song writer. I agree with your dad. However there is one song that no one can do as good as Dylan and that is A hard rain is gonna fall. My favorite Dylan song of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0o_0b5abwA
Last edited by a moderator:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh yeah, that's one powerful song and performance. Such a song of it's time too and yet somehow is also timeless. I wonder, are we still waiting for that rain to fall?
Staple Sisters have a really nice gospel cover. It works incredibly well as a gospel song.
rustycolts
Footballguy
I saw Dylan and Clapton in concert in Nuremberg Germany. It was in the stadium you see in the old news clips where they blow up the swatsika that was mounted above the stadium. Clapton and Dylan jammed together at the end for about 30 minutes for an encore. It was awesome.
rustycolts
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Ballad Of Easy Rider is actually my favorite Byrds tune. Originally written and performed by McGuinn solo for the movie soundtrack.
Last edited by a moderator:
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
The Byrds have a....complicated....legacy.
They didn't get lionized as a "great" band until the '70s, and I believe that's mainly because Boomer darlings Crosby and Parsons were members at various points. Crosby, of course, was part of CSN&
sometimes)Y. Parsons died when that was a romantic thing to Rolling Stone. They got ret-conned into something more than they were - a great singles band.
Remember now - this was in a time when "self-contained" was what made the uber-groups according to all of the hip rock critics. Go look up how many Byrds actually played an instrument besides tambourine on this record. Not to mention all of the covers (horrors!).
The Byrds made fine records, but so did Paul Revere & The Raiders and The Rascals - and both of those bands would annihilate the Byrds live.
That said, their influence was all over the '70s and beyond. Someone mentioned Petty, but also the power pop groups of the '70s owe a lot to their sound. REM, of course, but with a gazillion more pretentions. And a ton of indie bands the last 25 years.
Gene Clarke was their secret weapon and I agree with all of you who say "Feel A Whole Lot Better" is the best song on this record.
They didn't get lionized as a "great" band until the '70s, and I believe that's mainly because Boomer darlings Crosby and Parsons were members at various points. Crosby, of course, was part of CSN&
sometimes)Y. Parsons died when that was a romantic thing to Rolling Stone. They got ret-conned into something more than they were - a great singles band.Remember now - this was in a time when "self-contained" was what made the uber-groups according to all of the hip rock critics. Go look up how many Byrds actually played an instrument besides tambourine on this record. Not to mention all of the covers (horrors!).
The Byrds made fine records, but so did Paul Revere & The Raiders and The Rascals - and both of those bands would annihilate the Byrds live.
That said, their influence was all over the '70s and beyond. Someone mentioned Petty, but also the power pop groups of the '70s owe a lot to their sound. REM, of course, but with a gazillion more pretentions. And a ton of indie bands the last 25 years.
Gene Clarke was their secret weapon and I agree with all of you who say "Feel A Whole Lot Better" is the best song on this record.
rustycolts
Footballguy
So you guys that are more into music than I am I have a question. I listened to a new band the other day(or new to me anyway) called Dead South. I really really liked them. What kind of music would they be considered?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I hate genre labels because there are more exceptions than rules, but I guess a programmer nowadays would call them "roots"
rustycolts
Footballguy
LoL Paul Revere and the Raiders Spirit of 67 was the first album I ever bought.The Byrds have a....complicated....legacy.
They didn't get lionized as a "great" band until the '70s, and I believe that's mainly because Boomer darlings Crosby and Parsons were members at various points. Crosby, of course, was part of CSN&
Remember now - this was in a time when "self-contained" was what made the uber-groups according to all of the hip rock critics. Go look up how many Byrds actually played an instrument besides tambourine on this record. Not to mention all of the covers (horrors!).
The Byrds made fine records, but so did Paul Revere & The Raiders and The Rascals - and both of those bands would annihilate the Byrds live.
That said, their influence was all over the '70s and beyond. Someone mentioned Petty, but also the power pop groups of the '70s owe a lot to their sound. REM, of course, but with a gazillion more pretentions. And a ton of indie bands the last 25 years.
Gene Clarke was their secret weapon and I agree with all of you who say "Feel A Whole Lot Better" is the best song on this record.
timschochet
Footballguy
Def Leppard- Pyromania (1983)
Rock Rock (Till You Drop)
Photograph
Stagefright
Too Late for Love
Die Hard the Hunter
Foolin’
Rock of Ages
Comin’ Under Fire
Action Not Words
Billy’s Got a Gun
Arguably the best of the 80s “hair bands”, these Brits were largely successful due to their producer Mutt Lange, and their ability to combine pop hooks with metal guitar licks. Subsequent albums would sell even better than this one, particularly the mega selling Hysteria, but this is the one that introduced them to the world and made them superstars, thanks to some really great rock and roll like “Photograph” and “Rock of Ages.”
Rock Rock (Till You Drop)
Photograph
Stagefright
Too Late for Love
Die Hard the Hunter
Foolin’
Rock of Ages
Comin’ Under Fire
Action Not Words
Billy’s Got a Gun
Arguably the best of the 80s “hair bands”, these Brits were largely successful due to their producer Mutt Lange, and their ability to combine pop hooks with metal guitar licks. Subsequent albums would sell even better than this one, particularly the mega selling Hysteria, but this is the one that introduced them to the world and made them superstars, thanks to some really great rock and roll like “Photograph” and “Rock of Ages.”
Parrothead
Footballguy
need a one-armed drummer smiley 
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Good album. Better than the overproduced popfest that was Hysteria. They could rock pretty good early on and this album was a good example. The prior album, High n' Dry, is arguably better.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I wore this cassette out and still know every word to every song. As a previous poster said, the early hair metal which included albums like Pyro was awesome and was a great time for music. But, Pyro was the peak and end of Leppard for me. High n Dry was fantastic too but didn't have all the hooks of Pyro. I hated Hysteria from the first listen. It is awful. Bands should change and grow but they don't have to sell out. Hysteria is probably the biggest sell out ever.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I hate the term "sell out," as I cannot fault a band for finding a way to make more money while still doing what you love, but Hysteria was a bit too glossy for me. Even at the time, when I was 14 and knee deep in that kind of music, half of the hits didn't appeal to me. I always liked Rocket and Animal, and Gods of War is a nice deep cut. On the flip side, I hope I never hear Pour Some Sugar On Me again...ever.
For my money, Foolin' might be the best song the band ever did.
simey
Footballguy
I saw somewhat of The Byrds live in 1985. Gene Clark threw together a band to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of the The Byrds. They played at a club called The Attic in Greenville. The band consisted of Gene Clark, Michael Clarke, John York, Rick Roberts, Rick Danko, and Blondie Chaplin. I just remember having a good time.
timschochet
Footballguy
You guys that hate Hysteria, you should know that I almost chose it because of how many records it sold. I was astonished at how high it was on a list of best selling albums of the 80s, above a lot of huge acts.
In fact, in terms of record sales Def Leppard is one of the top bands ever, above a long list of legendary performers that you would probably guess before you arrived at them. These guys have made, over the years, a lot of green.
In fact, in terms of record sales Def Leppard is one of the top bands ever, above a long list of legendary performers that you would probably guess before you arrived at them. These guys have made, over the years, a lot of green.
simey
Footballguy
It was definitely big in high school when it came out. My mom use to yell to my brother to turn it down. I can't decide what my favorite song on it is.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
After listening to it a lot today, it’s got everything that pre-Peppers Beatles albums had. People are catching Zs on this one.
Similar threads
