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Classic Album Discussion Thread: The Kinks-Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Pt. 1 (3 Viewers)

KickinT said:
Heart is one of the few American Bands considered classic rock. Petty, Aerosmith, then it starts to tail off as far as popularity. 
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Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Band (although their best member is a Canuck), Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Eagles, Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, Boston, Van Halen, Bob Segar....?

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Band (although their best member is a Canuck), Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Eagles, Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, Boston, Van Halen, Bob Segar....?
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Yeah I was a little hasty with that comment and I’m sure you could come up with more.  The Eagles and Bruce were wildly popular, and I forgot Jimi Hendrix! That’s bad. 😔 The Pickens are still slim when Americans are compared to the Brits and the rest of the world. 

 
timschochet said:
Heart- Little Queen (1977)

Barracuda

Love Alive

Sylvan Song

Dream of the Archer

Kick It Out

Little Queen

Treat Me Well 

Say Hello

Cry to Me

Go On Cry

Heart’s second effort was possibly even better than Dreamboat Annie. Nancy Wilson  continued her slavish love of acoustic Led Zeppelin with her guitar work on “Love Alive”, “Dream of the Archer” and “Treat Me Well”, also featuring Nancy on vocals. Meanwhile Ann Wilson established herself as one of rock’s  best vocalists ever on classics like “Barracuda” and “Kick It Out”. As good as any hard rock album from the late 70s. 
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No, gotta go with Dreamboat Annie over this one.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Creedence Clearwater Revival, The Band (although their best member is a Canuck), Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, Eagles, Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, Boston, Van Halen, Bob Segar....?
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 Which one are you thinking of - all Canucks except for one American (Levon Helm).

 
timschochet said:
Love Alive

Kick It Out

Heart’s second effort was possibly even better than Dreamboat Annie. Nancy Wilson  continued her slavish love of acoustic Led Zeppelin with her guitar work on “Love Alive”, “Dream of the Archer” and “Treat Me Well”, also featuring Nancy on vocals. Meanwhile Ann Wilson established herself as one of rock’s  best vocalists ever on classics like “Barracuda” and “Kick It Out”. As good as any hard rock album from the late 70s. 
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Love Alive absolutely kicks ###! And I love Kick It Out.

My wife is a huge Heart fan. For her birthday a few years ago, I bought a VIP package at Red Rocks. We got a buffet with drinks and food. We got to tour their tour buses and visit with various members of the band. And then we got a photo op with Ann and Nancy followed by a picture opportunity holding their guitars with the Red Rocks mountains in the background.

And THEN... we had 3rd row center seats for the concert. Cheap Trick opened, then Joan Jett, and finally Heart.

Was an amazing concert, and my first and only time at Red Rocks.

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Tom Skerritt said:
Love Alive absolutely kicks ###! And I love Kick It Out.

My wife is a huge Heart fan. For her birthday a few years ago, I bought a VIP package at Red Rocks. We got a buffet with drinks and food. We got to tour their tour buses and visit with various members of the band. And then we got a photo op with Ann and Nancy followed by a picture opportunity holding their guitars with the Red Rocks mountains in the background.

And THEN... we had 3rd row center seats for the concert. Cheap Trick opened, then Joan Jett, and finally Heart.

Was an amazing concert, and my first and only time at Red Rocks.

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That sounds incredible. 

 
timschochet said:
Simon & Garfunkel- Bridge Over Troubled Water (1970)

Bridge Over Troubled Water

El Condor Pasa (If I Could) 

Cecilia

Keep the Customer Satisfied

So Long, Frank Lloyd Wright

The Boxer

Baby Driver

The Only Living Boy In New York

Why Don’t You Write Me

Bye Bye Love 

Song for the Asking

Obviously moving in a very different direction from Master of Puppets...

Granted, this final studio album by the famed duo has some filler (as all of their previous albums did) but in “Bridge” and “The Boxer” it also features two of the greatest pop classics of the 20th century, with “Cecilia”, “El Condor Pasa”, and “Song for the Asking” not too far behind. But my favorite song on the record is “The Only Living Boy In New York”. A great way to go out. 
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Alison Kraus & Shawn Colvin Cover

Came across this,  Kraus has such a great voice.

 
timschochet said:
Tom Skerritt said:
Love Alive absolutely kicks ###! And I love Kick It Out.

My wife is a huge Heart fan. For her birthday a few years ago, I bought a VIP package at Red Rocks. We got a buffet with drinks and food. We got to tour their tour buses and visit with various members of the band. And then we got a photo op with Ann and Nancy followed by a picture opportunity holding their guitars with the Red Rocks mountains in the background.

And THEN... we had 3rd row center seats for the concert. Cheap Trick opened, then Joan Jett, and finally Heart.

Was an amazing concert, and my first and only time at Red Rocks.

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That sounds incredible. 
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A bit of trivia surrounding this concert, and the particular form of Heart at the time...

The bassist was (and still may be) Dan Rothchild, son of legendary Doors producer Paul Rothchild.

 
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I agree that Dreamboat Annie is the far superior record, but Little Queen is pretty solid.  Ann's final vocal at the end of Dream of the Archer is :tebow: :tebow:

 
Peter Gabriel- So (1986)

Red Rain

Sledgehammer

Don’t Give Up

That Voice Again

Mercy Street

Big Time 

We Do What We’re Told (Milgram’s  37)

In Your Eyes

This Is the Picture (Excellent Birds) 

Prior to this album, Peter Gabriel had a dedicated cult fan status as a result of his progressive rock work in Genesis and his solo material, but he wasn’t regarded as a rock superstar. So changed all that; it made him a household name. 

Synthesizer based, influenced by Brazilian and African music, Gabriel created pop hit after pop hit that sounded like nothing else being released  at the time. 

 
timschochet said:
Peter Gabriel- So (1986)

Red Rain

Sledgehammer

Don’t Give Up

That Voice Again

Mercy Street

Big Time 

We Do What We’re Told (Milgram’s  37)

In Your Eyes

This Is the Picture (Excellent Birds) 

Prior to this album, Peter Gabriel had a dedicated cult fan status as a result of his progressive rock work in Genesis and his solo material, but he wasn’t regarded as a rock superstar. So changed all that; it made him a household name. 

Synthesizer based, influenced by Brazilian and African music, Gabriel created pop hit after pop hit that sounded like nothing else being released  at the time. 
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Peter Gabriel is just the indispensable man for me in music and this is his greatest work, if not his best album (which would be Plays Live, where the tinkering of his first four solo albums come together under a single gr00ve). I had the great pleasure to see Genesis' first American show, not having any idea who they were, and marveled at the guy with the inverted mohawk wearing capes & wigs & masks & daisyheads and pushing imaginary lawnmowers and such and conveying what i so wanted rock to convey - something larger & edgier than "oo, i want her" "yay, i have her" and "ow, i lost her".

Followed the perfectly wonderful "Selling England" and the perfectly awful "Lamb" and Gabriel moved on to a series of interesting but uneven solo records which all came together under an umbrella of tone with his longtime touring band of the Levin/Marotta rhythm section and, of greatest importance, guitarist David Rhodes, who took the plinkeydink out of it and gave it drive. Most noteworthy was Biko, which helped change the world as much as any song i know.

Then the videos. I had just seen a movie called Mon Oncle D'Amerique, which was a series of vignettes illustrating theories in the new field of evolutionary psychology (it amazes me how little we've heeded the overwhelming animalism within us still) which caught my deepest attention and has been the focus of my outlook ever since, so i was more than ready for what i still consider to be the best video of all time, Shock the Monkey. Not only did it marry evo-psych theory with "oo, i want her" "yay, i have her" and "ow, i lost her", but it's just damn good film-making (the great song/great vid combo is damn near as good as it gets as art forms go), and set the tone for the "what's goin on in me guts, me gulliver?!" songs which became Gabriel's speciality.

Couple years later, the radio comes blasting with this brimming New Wave distillation of upturned, downchurned funk, the TV goes blasting with the most adventurous video ever, and the lyric about what a triumphant mess we are when we want summadat celebrating the marvelous fools we all are. Damn near perfect, Sledgehammer - one of the most affecting & effective vids ever made. Then the album - the depth, the variety, the urgency, the immediacy - and i'm overwhelmed. Just wanted to put it in my boombox and hold it over my head outside every window in Reno.

And So's most plaintive tune would and does play a great role in my life. My Mary was very much an Anne Sexton-type figure so, when she got sick & died, Gabriel's Mercy Street tribute to the poet echoed the struggles of my beloved's "awful rowing toward God" and even used her name:

Dreaming of the tenderness

The tremble in the hips

Of kissing Mary's lips

Dreaming of mercy......

I don't think i would have survived early widowerhood without such a textured & intimate way to reach out to her memory. Then with Us and Up and his marvelous tours, Gabriel showed fans aging along with him that turbulent thoughts need not make for turbulent lives and, by so doing, has become my musical MVP. And So was the harmonic convergence of an amazing career.

 
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Nice write up WP. 

I can attest to your point about “Biko” changing the world. I recently finished reading a history of Apartheid, and it argues that because Mandela was put in prison and not killed, he could not be the martyr that the anti-Apartheid movement needed. There were many such martyrs, Stephen Biko among them, but none garnered international recognition. Then the song came out and suddenly Biko was posthumously famous, far more so than when he had been alive. 

 
timschochet said:
Nice write up WP. 

I can attest to your point about “Biko” changing the world. I recently finished reading a history of Apartheid, and it argues that because Mandela was put in prison and not killed, he could not be the martyr that the anti-Apartheid movement needed. There were many such martyrs, Stephen Biko among them, but none garnered international recognition. Then the song came out and suddenly Biko was posthumously famous, far more so than when he had been alive. 
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For my $$, the greatest quatrain in all music:

You can blow out a candle
But you can't blow out a fire
Once the flames begin to catch
The wind will blow it higher

 
While not his best work - that would go to either Melt or Security - So is the most successful solo work by Peter Gabriel, one of the true musical geniuses of modern popular music.  Sledgehammer and In Your Eyes, the two most enduring hits from the record, get the most recognition, and those are damn good songs, but Red Rain and Mercy Street are the biggest gems here.  

 
timschochet said:
I wasn’t even aware that was her. Of course everybody knows the Kate Bush duet. 

Interesting that he chose two very avant-garde women. 
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I was fortunate to see him with Sting a couple of years ago in Milwaukee. He puts on an awesome show.

 
Brought in Stewart Copeland just to play the hi-hat on Red Rain. Good choice.

Saw Peter Gabriel on the Amnesty International Conspiracy Of Hope tour at the Forum back in 1986. Tons of fantastic artists on that tour (Sting, U2, Lou Reed, etc.), Biko was the showstopper. 

 
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I was bummed when Gabriel left Genesis - but it was the right thing to do for both.  My favorite Genesis album turned out to be their next one - Trick of the Tale. (not a big fan of the later work)

Loved Gabriel's stuff immediately.  Looking back, I was surprised to see that "So" was 10 years after the left ...doesn't seem that long.   

 
Great album.

Personal faves Red Rain, In Your Eyes, Hear That Voice Again, Don't Give Up  and Mercy Street

From his other albums only "Come to take you home", "Biko", "Games without Frontiers" reach those heights IMHO

 
The first concert I went to (as a teen, I had been to others, just this was one of my own choosing!) was the 1986 So Tour, at Great Woods (Now Xfinity Center) near Boston. We had like 6th row seats in the center section. We got to have him crowd surf over us during 'Lay Your Hands on Me.' :pickle:

It was one of those concerts that hurt as a 'starter' because it set the bar so high for others to reach.

The video for Don't Give Up is one of my favorites. Love the sun in the background, how they rotate as each is the main singer, and especially how it was filmed in one take.

@timschochet - can we look at Melissa Etheridge's self titled 1988 album?

 
Getzlaf15 said:
http://petergabriel.altervista.org/htm/pg1978-09-29.htm

8/29/78 at the Golden Bear on PCH in HB.

Great show... great seats....good times....,
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From a local "historian" here in HB, Chris Epting, who interviewed Peter Gabriel a couple of years ago.  This is Peter after finding out the interviewer was from HB...  

“1978. We arrived early in the day I recall,” he said softly. “Summery. Like being on holiday. We had lunch at the tip of that wonderful pier that jutted so far out into the sea.” (The End Café, I wanted to offer, but didn’t dare interrupt his flow.)

“And then we spent the day shopping. There was a place on the corner I recall named ‘Jack’s Surfboards.’”

(Just hearing Peter Gabriel say the words “Jack’s surf boards” was surreal. Where else did he visit – Sugar Shack? Raspberry Roach??)

He continued, “I made a wonderful purchase that day. I think they called it a body-board. It was like a little surfboard that you would cling to to ride the waves. But then we got in to do the sound check and the day got away from us and I was so disappointed. We all just loved that club though, the Golden Bear. It felt cozy and quite intimate. I especially loved that you could smell the sea just by putting your head out the door.

“It was one of my favorite shows in America, one of our very first (if not the first) so it was quite important to me. But all I kept thinking about was that board and how badly I wanted to be out on the water. At the end of the show back then we did an extended outro jam and I told the guys in the band to play it out a little bit longer. “I’m leaving,” I told them. They all looked at me like I was crazy but I said, “I’m going swimming and I’ll be back soon.” I don’t think the crowd had any idea. So I grabbed a towel from backstage, slipped out quietly and made my way across the road, to the water. It was a beautiful warm night. I shed all my clothes and took my board out into the sea. What an exquisite time I had out there, all alone, riding some gentle waves near the pier and just floating, staring up at the sky, knowing the band was still playing across the way. I think I may have even been able to hear them slightly. It was all blissful. Very peaceful; even spiritual on a certain level. My life was changing then. I was off on my own in many new ways, away from Genesis, testing new waters... It was a special moment in my life.

“Eventually I got out of the water, toweled off and put my clothes back on. As I headed back toward the Golden Bear I was met out in the dark on the sand by a young man holding a tape recorder. He explained to me that he’d been inside recording the show, not to sell, but just to trade with a couple of friends which I didn’t have a huge problem with. But he saw me leave and he followed me out and asked if I would do a brief interview, so we did one right there in the dark on the beach near midnight…”

With that, Gabriel seemed to snap back to present day, addressing me directly, smiling, “And so that would make you the second person, at least that I know of, to interview me from Huntington Beach.”

Sometimes when I pass by the old Golden Bear location today, I picture Peter Gabriel sneaking away with his new boogie board, stealthily crossing PCH and slipping into the midnight ocean as the band plays on…

 
Janis Joplin- Pearl (1971)

Move Over

Cry Baby

A Woman Left Lonely

Half Moon

Buried Alive In the Blues

My Baby

Me And Bobby McGee

Mercedes Benz

Trust Me 

Get It While You Can

Janis Joplin’s last effort was probably her best. It’s hard to believe that she was only 28 when she produced this blues/folk/gospel masterpiece, because her voice sounds so much older- weary and booze filled, yet wise and  oh so powerful. So many great tunes here from my favorite “A Woman Left Lonely” to “Move Over” to the classic “Mercedes Benz”. But it always seems to come back to her legendary cover of Kris Kristofferson’s “Me and Bobby McGee”- when Janis sings that freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose, you know that for her there was no greater truth. 

 
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I’ve always found Janis’s material - both solo and with Big Brother - to be hit or miss. Undoubtedly one of the most powerful female voices of all time, but the backdrop music wasn’t always crisp.

 
zamboni said:
I’ve always found Janis’s material - both solo and with Big Brother - to be hit or miss. Undoubtedly one of the most powerful female voices of all time, but the backdrop music wasn’t always crisp.
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Shes jammed w The Dead on one of my friends bootlegs (or maybe by now its found on iTunes who knows) and ot wa magic. 

 
Joplin has one of those unique love it or hate it voices. Many of my friends love her work but I'm in the latter group.

 
Mr. Mojo said:
Joplin has one of those unique love it or hate it voices. Many of my friends love her work but I'm in the latter group.
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What I love about her voice is that when I'm singing along in the car, I can just use the same voice I use to sing along to Guns n Roses.  

 
Mr. Mojo said:
Joplin has one of those unique love it or hate it voices. Many of my friends love her work but I'm in the latter group.
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Me too. I get why her work appeals to some, but it never appealed to me at all. I listen to tons of non-traditional singers, but the old "I sound like I just smoked three packs of cigarettes before grabbing the mic to sing" voice does not work for me. 

 
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timschochet said:
Janis Joplin’s last effort was probably her best. It’s hard to believe that she was only 28 when she produced this blues/folk/gospel masterpiece, because her voice sounds so much older- weary and booze filled, yet wise and  oh so powerful. So many great tunes here from my favorite “A Woman Left Lonely” to “Move Over” to the classic “Mercedes Benz”. But it always seems to come back to her legendary cover of Kris Kristofferson’s “Me and Bobby McGee”- when Janis sings that freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose, you know that for her there was no greater truth. 
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That is hard to believe. Not only did she play with the Dead, she produced this album while dead! Everyone knows the 27 club.

 
The Clash (1977)

Janie Jones

Remote Control

I’m So Bored With the U.S.A. 

White Riot

Hate & War

What’s My Name

Deny

London’s Burning

Career Oppurtunities

Cheat 

Protex Blue

Police & Thieves

48 Hours

Garageland 

Beyond all of the accolades this record has received (“best punk rock album of all time”, “best album of the 70s”, “best debut album of all time” “top ten greatest rock album”, etc.) This is just fun music to listen to. From Topper Headon’s classic drum riff that begins “Janie Jones” to “White Riot”, “Career Opportunities”, “Cheat”, there is one great tune after another. Never gets old. 

 
I would have to question the sanity of anyone who would call an album by the Clash as the best album of the 70's, a decade loaded with great and iconic records.  

As for "best punk rock album of all time," isn't that like being the best looking ugly girl? 

 
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