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Coach of the Year (1 Viewer)
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
1. Bill Belichick - In my opinion, the best coaching job of his career in 2008.
2. Tony Sparano - 1-15 to 11-5 ?
3. Mike Smith - another brilliant turnaround in the ATL.
2. Tony Sparano - 1-15 to 11-5 ?
3. Mike Smith - another brilliant turnaround in the ATL.
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Phurfur
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What do you think it is?
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Mike Smith would be my choice. Took Atlanta to the playoffs with a rookie QB, rookie starting tackle (Sam Baker) in what has been a very difficult division. And to consider the black cloud that hung over the franchise a year ago, that is quite impressive. Belichick has done a very good job, as has Harbaugh, Sparano, Fisher, and Coughlin.
SR388
Footballguy
All good posting. I have a very hard time saying who should get this year, but I thought Jeff Fisher was in the lead until he decided to go for it instead of kicking the FG.
The Man with the Plan
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Bill Parcells
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yes. Sparano would be 2nd on my list, behind the obvious choice: Mike Smith.
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doubletrouble
Footballguy
I can't argue w/ any of those 2....
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
Have you not noticed the creative aspects he added to the offense this year?
slayer666
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ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Sparano, Smith, Harbaugh. Those are your choices.
The Pats lost Brady but they still had Moss, Welker, and lucked into a capable backup QB. I am not impressed that they were able to salvage the season after his injury.
The Pats lost Brady but they still had Moss, Welker, and lucked into a capable backup QB. I am not impressed that they were able to salvage the season after his injury.
I think its Mike Smith and quite frankly, I don't really understand an argument for anyone else. The Falcons were left for dead by many going into this year, many questioned Smith's hiring wondering just who he was. Well, he's the guy who's leading his team to the playoffs with a rookie QB in arguably the toughest division in the NFL(all teams are above .500) and has an outside shot at getting a bye.
Nobody else has done anything close to that much.
Tony Sparano? Nice turnaround, but Miami hasn't made playoffs yet(and may not) and they have had an easier road than Atlanta.
Bill Belichick? Good work this year, but again, this team went 16-0 last year and may miss the playoffs this year. They've been dealt a rough hand this year, and have played it well, but coach of the year is really a stretch.
Jeff Fisher? Kinda the Rodney Dangerfield of coaches, but the problem is Smith did such a great job that I can't see picking Fisher over him(though I have Fisher 2nd) 6th seed to 1st seed is a nice improvement though.
Nobody else has done anything close to that much.
Tony Sparano? Nice turnaround, but Miami hasn't made playoffs yet(and may not) and they have had an easier road than Atlanta.
Bill Belichick? Good work this year, but again, this team went 16-0 last year and may miss the playoffs this year. They've been dealt a rough hand this year, and have played it well, but coach of the year is really a stretch.
Jeff Fisher? Kinda the Rodney Dangerfield of coaches, but the problem is Smith did such a great job that I can't see picking Fisher over him(though I have Fisher 2nd) 6th seed to 1st seed is a nice improvement though.
I'd go with Smith and Fisher co-coach of the year but, Fisher can't not get it IMO. No one thought the Titans were a great team some even had them not making the playoffs-instead they could be 14-2 and have one of the better W-L records of all time. How many 14-2 teams have there been? How many 14-2 teams have NOT gone on to win the Supe? This is a regular season award. He has the best team in the regular season(not debatable, W-L proves it).One other point, these two not only handled but thrived after dealing with two of the biggest jerks in NFL(Pacman and Vick). That is not easy in today's NFL.
-baller
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uh.....they won 16 games and went to the superbowl last year in large part due to his coaching ---- that's now going to be a knock against him?they didn't just lose their all world mvp qb, and they didn't 'luck' into any replacement.name me one single team in the league who could've withstood half their losses and still done what they have.haha....they just picked up 2 dudes off the street who were playing half the snaps a couple days later.most of the time I hear fans crying because they lost david harris, or whoever, for 3 games.pats lost half their roster and just stomped a playoff team last week, so to knock them for possibly not making the playoffs w/only 11 wins is a crock of ****.edit: waitaminute....this thread is for runner up to belichick --- he's great, but not even beli can be runner up to himself.
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Titans are 13-2 with their backup QB leading them
Ozymandias
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I read a few days ago that the Pats had about 46 starters during the season, which was 2nd or 3rd highest. The records of the teams were roughly inversely related to the number of starters they have had during the season. The more starters, the worse the record. There was one glaring exception, and that was the Patriots. Belicchick did an outstanding coaching job. He brought Cassel along slowly (someone who had not started a game since high school), and had him play within his capabilities. Cassel will sign for megabucks next year, and he will owe it to Belichick. I don't like the guy, but he can coach.
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-baller
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that's great.did their whole offense revolve around vince young?did they lose lendale white?chris johnson?were they starting a running back off their practice squad?did they sign delthea o'neal to start in place of harper or finnegan?were they scrounging offensive linemen cut by other teams to fill in for their lost starters?did they lose two of their defensive mvp's?did they lose back ups to those players?did they sign guys off the street to start for them 2 days later?
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doubletrouble
Footballguy
you must be a Pats fan.....
-OZ-
Footballguy
So those guys who started 2 days later didn't get a lot of benefit from the coaching staff.
did their whole offense revolve around vince young?
did they lose lendale white?
chris johnson?
were they starting a running back off their practice squad?
did they sign delthea o'neal to start in place of harper or finnegan?
were they scrounging offensive linemen cut by other teams to fill in for their lost starters?
did they lose two of their defensive mvp's?
did they lose back ups to those players?
did they sign guys off the street to start for them 2 days later?
North
Footballguy
Totally agree, everything done in Miami is due to one man, and it's not Sparano.My vote would either go to Mike Smith or John Harbaugh. To do what both of these coaches did with rookie QB's is impressive.
Vicktimized
Footballguy
Belichick did a fine job (as always), but couple things -- he still has Moss and Welker, and more importantly NE has defeated only three winning teams this season by my count -- two within their division, and Denver (who may well finish 8-8 in one of the worst divisions in football).
I'm not trying to necessarily down what Belichick did, but I think what Mike Smith did against one of the best divisions in football (beating all three of his division opponents once) and after the Petrino mess certainly bears noting. Not far behind is Sparano, who also faced an easy schedule like the Pats (virtually the same), but took over the worst team in football a season ago as opposed to an undefeated unit.
I'm not trying to necessarily down what Belichick did, but I think what Mike Smith did against one of the best divisions in football (beating all three of his division opponents once) and after the Petrino mess certainly bears noting. Not far behind is Sparano, who also faced an easy schedule like the Pats (virtually the same), but took over the worst team in football a season ago as opposed to an undefeated unit.
baller-I'm actually a pats fan but cover the Titans and in 09 the Cowboys.It's just not happenning with BB.I'll answer your Qs just for fun but no coach has ever won coach of the year for losing 5 more games than he did the previous year. In the NFL world that's a ton of games. I understand 16-0 and then 11-5 is still a good record but it starts with that 5 game swing. The first Q you ask yourself is how did coach A improve his team? is it obvious in the results? From there(as others have brought up) it might not be fair but BB set the standard high last year. He's an awesome coach that'll win it again. He can't win it every year, don't sweat it.
depends who you talk to.
This is a complex Q. The Pats have old players at RB and set themself up some. Some is bad luck sure. I'm not a Maroney fan when playing for BB. I'm convinced he doesn't like him and Maroney will do well elsewhere. I don't think he'll ever do real well for the Pats. Completely a gut thing. Titans split time between their RBs and kept em' healthy. That's worked for several teams this year but, just not the older Pats RBs.
I don't really get this Q as a Titans question so just let me point out they did start Tyrone Poole after signing him days before. He didn't play well and ST player Chris Carr played CB. Fisher doesn't keep ineffective starters in and keeps switching til he finds one that works. I wish more NFL coaches did that and didn't just double-team a WR or switch to zone or somesuch which is pretty much conceding that your CB isn't good enough.
no they have the best OL in football, maybe tied for best with the Gmen
a team could only have one MVP but they lost pro bowl talents Haynesworth(2 games) and Vandenbosch recently. Vandenbosch barely played this year. He'd start and be sitting before the 1st Q was done so don't go by the G or GS columns on some sites. They lost their starting CB Nick Harper and his backup too.
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Poole was pretty close to that"As bad as the Pats" I don't know. I'd probably give the edge to the Pats in this. I do think though every NFL team has been thru some issues. The Titans have depth-maybe better depth than the Pats- so it hasn't been obvious to everyone all the different injuries they've had. Fisher gets some credit for depth players being ready to play. Did you or anyone really think Kerry Collins would lead a team to a 14-2 or 13-3 record? Do you remember how you thought of Kerry in the summer? Who gets credit for these accomplishments if not Fisher?We could probably do those Qs with just about every team and surprise some with the answers. Depth really hides alot.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Do you give the award to teams with great personnel mgt decisions this year like Miami and Atlanta, or do you give it to coaches that have overcome near catastrophic injuries like Shanahan, Dungy or Belichick?
gonzobill5
Footballguy
none of the above. you give it to the guy who reignited a tired old team with good ole fashioned smash mouth football. Harbaugh all the way! Convinced me with the way he beat the Cowboys after that heartbreaking loss to pittsburgh.
I don't get why everyone has gone from loving to hating Vince Young so quick and he+Kerry are an afterthought. Does no one remember how popular Vince was? and all the supposed hope he brought to the Titans?Benching Young (IMO) is the coaching move of the year. Maybe the wildcat set could be argued but....Also I think the NFL word(fans, coaches, GMs, execs) silently applauded Fisher for how he dealt with Pacman in 08.
If(just suppose please) you could only pick one-Smith coach of the year, Ryan rookie of the year, which would it be?
Serenity Now
Footballguy
Yeah, the Pats could miss the playoffs this year, even with a record of (potentially) 11-5. If they do, they'll be the first 11-5 team to miss the playoffs in NFL history, or so I've heard.
Teams like Denver and/or San Diego and the Arizona Cardinals will be in the playoffs. They are not better teams. They just play in weaker divisions.
Oh, and I'd give the award to either Sparano or Smith, with BB in the mix somewhere.
Teams like Denver and/or San Diego and the Arizona Cardinals will be in the playoffs. They are not better teams. They just play in weaker divisions.
Oh, and I'd give the award to either Sparano or Smith, with BB in the mix somewhere.
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SeniorVBDStudent
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Atlanta > Baltimore because Baltimore had an elite defense to build before Harbaugh arrived.
Benching VY is no different than benching Tavaris Jackson (the right decision, but doesn't equate to coach of the year).
-baller
Footballguy
maroney is old now....??
stick w/your titans, plz.the titans haven't had half the personnel loss that the pats have, and you know it.I'm not knockin' fisher at all --- he did a great job, and is very possibly the runner up.yeah, I remember what I thought of kerry collins last summer, and I also remember what I thought of vince young.the pats didn't automatically improve by losing brady.....what did you think of cassell last summer?if you want to insist that belichick should only get it by improving off 16 wins, I'm laughing at you.by the way, on a similar note to the parcells/sparano thing, how much of baltimore's resurgent offense do we attribute to harbaugh, and how much credit does cameron get?
-baller
Footballguy
nah, I think there was one 20 years ago, maybe.
I have to disagree with this. Tavaris Jackson never had the same stigma associated with him that Vince Young had and was certainly never considered the savior of an organization the way that Vince Young was just a couple of years ago. This is a very different move. The right decision, for sure and a no brainer looking back...absolutely. But no different than benching TJ? Not a chance.
-baller
Footballguy
I forgot this one....those 2 guys were seau and colvin, so they were still coached up from last year.AHA!awesome coach AND long lasting.bottom line is belichick has cobbled together a roster of leftovers and castoffs, players anybody could have picked up off the street, and is looking at a possible 11 win playoff berth.So those guys who started 2 days later didn't get a lot of benefit from the coaching staff.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The 85 Broncos went 11-5 and missed the playoffs . . . but 5 teams from each conference made the playoffs then. The Pats would be the first 11-5 team to miss the playoffs in the current 6 playoff teams per confernce format.
now you're just being wise "posting maroney is old?" pretending Jordan, Faulk and Morris aren't on the roster. It hardly adds to the discussion.As for Cassel, he was supposedly a special backup. I actually lost some for him when he stunk initially. He's back to being considerred a special backup maybe even starter IMO.I am TELLING you that BB will not win for losing 5 more games than last year. Laugh all you want, just get back to me when he doesn't win. Again-he set the high standard last year and "can't win every year".maroney is old now....??
sorry I disagree. Maybe if you were Childress' son and believed all his hype of Tavaris then it'd be similar but, this is a guy that some thought should have gone #1, was ROY, led his team to the playoffs and....he got benched.
Ruffrodys05
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Ok baller, I get your love of Belichick. The guy has been a fantastic coach for years (for however many reasons, actual or shady,) but I do not agree that he is the NFL's 2008 COY.Right now I am not sure who I would vote for, but it would not be Belichick. Your "two guys off the street who played 2 days later so he's a great coach" schtick doesn't hold any water. Both guys were former Pats who were cut by Belichick for a reason, which is why no other team picked them up. They were the perfect additions for only the Pats, as those players already knew most, if not all, of the Pats playbook. Did Belichick get value from these 2 players? You bet, but only the Pats could. To me this was a no brainer for Belichick once he was forced into the position of having to adress his needs following injuries.
When does the NFL announce this award? After week 17?
My current favorites, in no particular order, are:
Jeff Fisher - amazing job this year, for many reasons
Mike Smith - just as stunning a performance
Sporano - not sure he could have done it without Parcells putting the team together, but even still, he has done a fantastic job
Andy Ried (just kidding, he has been atrocious this year)
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-baller
Footballguy
good point.as an aside, what's really hilarious about all this, and maybe only a pats fan can appreciate, is that there was a time when people were wondering wtf brady was, then a few years later belichick isn't all that great because he's riding brady's back.so, brady goes down and now the story is he's lucky to have moss and welker.moss and welker....?that's right, another 'wtf is this' player, and washed up cancer, randy moss.but what really makes me literally lol sitting at my computer, is that we have now reached the point in this very thread where people are knocking belichick because he's lucky enough to have MATT CASSELL!L O L
Has Belichick beaten a 'good' team this year?
-baller
Footballguy
no, because by beating them he automatically puts them in the ####ty team category.
Phurfur
Footballguy
Since we are making foolish statements I will add Wade Phillips.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
Belichick has done a solid job as always but "Coach Of The Year" is really a stretch.Fisher has put his team on top with Kerry Collins at QB. Atlanta and Miami have had the most amazing turnarounds in years.I still remember before the season that the Pats had the easiest schedule in years.
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