Creating a "Toilet Bowl" (1 Viewer)

[lbouchard]

Hello All,

My league is creating a so-called "Toilet Bowl" for next season. Basically, the 4 worst teams (12 team league) will compete in a playoff for an extra first round rookie pick. We've already determined how to set up. However, there is some debate over what pick should be at stake. Some say make it pick 1.13. Others say that the 1.13 won't help out bad teams as much, so we should split the draft down the middle and give the winner the 1.07, therefore pushing the top 6 teams (who all make the playoffs) back one spot. What say you Shark Poolers?

 

[Saint]

We're pretty cut and dry in our keeper league. My league strives for parity so we do two things. We seed the playoff winners reverse order of their finish, so for example if you win the championship, you pick last. If you're runner-up you pick second to last. For our Nancy Bowl, similar to the Toilet Bowl, your finish dictates your draft position. So if you win the Nancy bowl you have the first pick of the draft. We did this to keep teams from tanking in the final weeks. It seems to have worked for us.

 

[kutta]

We're pretty cut and dry in our keeper league. My league strives for parity so we do two things. We seed the playoff winners reverse order of their finish, so for example if you win the championship, you pick last. If you're runner-up you pick second to last. For our Nancy Bowl, similar to the Toilet Bowl, your finish dictates your draft position. So if you win the Nancy bowl you have the first pick of the draft. We did this to keep teams from tanking in the final weeks. It seems to have worked for us.

We do something very similar to this. Except we have a drawing with weighted odds based upon finish. The winner of the toilet bowl gets the first pick in the draft and everyone else is slotted based upon the drawing. And really, it's not the first pick, it's the first pick of picks, so we allow everyone to pick where they want to draft when their name is drawn.

 

[dickey moe]

We're pretty cut and dry in our keeper league. My league strives for parity so we do two things. We seed the playoff winners reverse order of their finish, so for example if you win the championship, you pick last. If you're runner-up you pick second to last. For our Nancy Bowl, similar to the Toilet Bowl, your finish dictates your draft position. So if you win the Nancy bowl you have the first pick of the draft. We did this to keep teams from tanking in the final weeks. It seems to have worked for us.

Same here. I've seen others in here deride this arrangement, but I really do think it works best.

 

[spider321]

We're pretty cut and dry in our keeper league. My league strives for parity so we do two things. We seed the playoff winners reverse order of their finish, so for example if you win the championship, you pick last. If you're runner-up you pick second to last. For our Nancy Bowl, similar to the Toilet Bowl, your finish dictates your draft position. So if you win the Nancy bowl you have the first pick of the draft. We did this to keep teams from tanking in the final weeks. It seems to have worked for us.

Same here. I've seen others in here deride this arrangement, but I really do think it works best.

My league does this as well. Top 6 teams play for the $, while the bottom 6 play for the highest rookie draft picks. Seems to work well for everyone.

 

[jesseasi]

We have 6 teams in our Toilet Bowl. The 6 teams are slotted based on their regular season results. The worst team is seated #1 (#1 draft position) and the best team to not make the playoffs is seated 6 (#6 draft spot). The #1 and #2 seeds get a first round bye.

The Winner of our Toilet Bowl can improve their draft position by 2 spots. So if you are the 6th seed - you could move up to 4 by winning. The team in the #1 draft spot needs to either win or hope that the #4, #5, or #6 team wins to keep their spot at #1.

This formula has worked for us and serves the purposes of:

1. Worst teams get higher picks.

2. Teams don't tank.

3. Teams not in the playoffs still have something to play for and have a rooting interest in.

 

[Silver & Black]

My league is an auction league. Our "toilet bowl" winner is the team with the worst record and/or least points. That team has to pay for the food (hero and wings) and beer at the next year's draft.

 

[unckeyherb]

We're pretty cut and dry in our keeper league. My league strives for parity so we do two things. We seed the playoff winners reverse order of their finish, so for example if you win the championship, you pick last. If you're runner-up you pick second to last. For our Nancy Bowl, similar to the Toilet Bowl, your finish dictates your draft position. So if you win the Nancy bowl you have the first pick of the draft. We did this to keep teams from tanking in the final weeks. It seems to have worked for us.

Same here. I've seen others in here deride this arrangement, but I really do think it works best.

My league does this as well. Top 6 teams play for the $, while the bottom 6 play for the highest rookie draft picks. Seems to work well for everyone.

+1

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think the toilet bowl winner should get an extra pick, pick 13 usually between the first n second round.

IMO giving the winner of the toilet bowl the #1 pick can unjustly punish the worst team in the league into getting say the 5th pick. Not good IMO

 

[GregR]

As to what extra pick you give them, really a matter of preference for your league members. Me personally if they are already getting the 1.1, I'd think the 1.13 is enough of an extra, but I can't say the 1.7 would be "wrong" and the 1.13 would be "right".

As for some of the other comments, my league also combines regular season finish with the consolation bracket results. The bottom 6 are in the bracket and we give each team 2 "points" (not fantasy points) for their seeding. So the worst team is 6th seed and gets 12 points, the best gets 2.

Then you get more points based on the playoff result. Bracket winner gets 8, followed by 6, 4, 2, 1, and 0. Add the two together and the team with the most points gets the 1st pick. Tiebreak is regular season finish. The season worst team can't pick worse than 4th. I believe the #1 seed can't pick better than 3rd or so. So you can swing your pick 3-4 spots at least.

 

[unckeyherb]

IMO giving the winner of the toilet bowl the #1 pick can unjustly punish the worst team in the league into getting say the 5th pick. Not good IMO

I have it set up to pick worst to first from a combination of standings and playoffs from the previous year. The bottom 6 teams pick 1-6 in order of worst to first. The 6 playoff teams pick worst to first (so the league champ picks 12). The winner of the turd bowl simply jumps into the number one spot for the first round. So if the team that finished fourth worst wins the turd bowl he gets the first pick (while everyone else shifts down). Everything goes back to normal in the second round. So regarding your point above the worst team in the league would, at worst, get the #2 pick (unless he/she won the turd bowl).

 

[lbouchard]

As for some of the other comments, my league also combines regular season finish with the consolation bracket results. The bottom 6 are in the bracket and we give each team 2 "points" (not fantasy points) for their seeding. So the worst team is 6th seed and gets 12 points, the best gets 2.Then you get more points based on the playoff result. Bracket winner gets 8, followed by 6, 4, 2, 1, and 0. Add the two together and the team with the most points gets the 1st pick. Tiebreak is regular season finish. The season worst team can't pick worse than 4th. I believe the #1 seed can't pick better than 3rd or so. So you can swing your pick 3-4 spots at least.

I think this is what I'm going to do. Thanks. I don't want an unweighted Toilet Bowl, as some others have said they have, because I think that rewards the best of the worst too much while not giving help to the actual worst team

 

[jabarony]

As for some of the other comments, my league also combines regular season finish with the consolation bracket results. The bottom 6 are in the bracket and we give each team 2 "points" (not fantasy points) for their seeding. So the worst team is 6th seed and gets 12 points, the best gets 2.Then you get more points based on the playoff result. Bracket winner gets 8, followed by 6, 4, 2, 1, and 0. Add the two together and the team with the most points gets the 1st pick. Tiebreak is regular season finish. The season worst team can't pick worse than 4th. I believe the #1 seed can't pick better than 3rd or so. So you can swing your pick 3-4 spots at least.

I think this is what I'm going to do. Thanks. I don't want an unweighted Toilet Bowl, as some others have said they have, because I think that rewards the best of the worst too much while not giving help to the actual worst team

Not sure this is what you are looking for, but we do it where the 6 toilet bowl teams play for 100 bucks, but the results have nothing to do with draft order. For the draft we do it NBA lottery style where the worst team (reg season) gets 6 cards and the best team gets 1 card and we draw for all 6 spots. It does prevent tanking for sure. And it's an extra excuse to hit the bar for a night to hold the draft lottery.

 

[spider321]

I think this is what I'm going to do. Thanks. I don't want an unweighted Toilet Bowl, as some others have said they have, because I think that rewards the best of the worst too much while not giving help to the actual worst team

You'd be surprised how often the top rookie draft picks are NOT as good as the later rookie picks. Reggie Bush, Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtee, Ted Ginn, Laurence Maroney...just to name a few.

 

[VonRomig]

In my dynasty league the winner of the toilet bowl gets the next season free, at the expense of the commish.

 

[Ilov80s]

A few years ago our redraft league did something similar. The teams that miss the playoffs have their own playoff. The winner can then choose their draft spot the next year

 

[packseasontix]

I think this is what I'm going to do. Thanks. I don't want an unweighted Toilet Bowl, as some others have said they have, because I think that rewards the best of the worst too much while not giving help to the actual worst team

You'd be surprised how often the top rookie draft picks are NOT as good as the later rookie picks. Reggie Bush, Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtee, Ted Ginn, Laurence Maroney...just to name a few.

So that means 1.4 is more valuable than 1.1? Are you in any of my leagues trade ya right now.Also if your that worried about someone tanking than either kick them out or get a life. I see no reason to put more on the toilet bowl than either money or possibly 1.13, the worst team needs the 1.1 either for the player or the trade value. Seems like your rewarding the team that just missed the playoffs with the 1.01Try creating a benefit to winning the toilet bowl like renaming a divison, picking the draft location, or getting to put in a waiver wire selection the week after the super bowl.All these things a very small and don't really effect league dynamics or competitiveness. I am only referring to dynasty leagues or large keeper leagues.In the end by giving the worst team in the league 1.06 or 1.08 or almost solidifying their place in the basement for a lot longer period.For redraft you could allow the winner of the toilet bowl to pick their draft location and then everyone else is in reverse order of Finnish. I think redraft has the most wiggle room with rules as it doesn't effect things as much. Yes 1.01 in redraft wins more than 1.10 but the talent drop. Off isn't the same as it is in a rookie only draft.

 

[spider321]

So that means 1.4 is more valuable than 1.1? Are you in any of my leagues trade ya right now.Also if your that worried about someone tanking than either kick them out or get a life.

Ok, you don't like my league's system. No need to be a d*** about it, bud.

 

[socrates]

The "reward" we give the Winner of our Toilet Bowl is the satisfaction his was not the worst team, and, unlike the loser, the winner does not have to deliver a speech at the following draft from perched atop a toilet while accepting a traveling toilet bowl lid trophy which the loser is required to prominently display in his home for the next year.

 

[DropKick]

Hello All,My league is creating a so-called "Toilet Bowl" for next season. Basically, the 4 worst teams (12 team league) will compete in a playoff for an extra first round rookie pick. We've already determined how to set up. However, there is some debate over what pick should be at stake. Some say make it pick 1.13. Others say that the 1.13 won't help out bad teams as much, so we should split the draft down the middle and give the winner the 1.07, therefore pushing the top 6 teams (who all make the playoffs) back one spot. What say you Shark Poolers?

We use the toilet bowl to extend the season for teams missing the play-offs. It's a little extra fun for everyone and a little extra cash (and a token trophy) for the winner. It is completely unnecessary to award an extra draft choice.We draft worst to first and don't base draft order on anything else. Like the NFL, we use the same order every round - so teams picking early already have an early second round choice. We also start the waiver wire priority based on the draft order. This provides the "weaker" teams three quality opportunities to improve their team (for example: the 1.1, 2.1, first waiver option).

 

[Instinctive]

OP - this seems like clearly a dynasty post - should probably indicate such in the OP.

I have done this before, and I'm ok with the "pick between end of the first and start of the 2nd rounds" strategy. I hate the giving of the #1 pick to the winner, because then often you have the 4th worst team get the best pick...how's that promote parity?

 

[Pictus Cat]

We have the non-playoff teams compete for 1st pick by total points during the playoffs. The rest move down one. The bottom half have their own division the next year too.

 

[DropKick]

We have the non-playoff teams compete for 1st pick by total points during the playoffs. The rest move down one. The bottom half have their own division the next year too.

I don't think I like this...

 

[Pictus Cat]

We have the non-playoff teams compete for 1st pick by total points during the playoffs. The rest move down one. The bottom half have their own division the next year too.

I don't think I like this...

It works for us. The divisions are each fun and the worst division tends to remain the same for a reason. I've never been, but I hear its nice.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Assuming a 12 team league... with 3 week playoffs... 3 divisions, we have:

Week 1 of playoffs:

Top 6 teams are in the championship playoffs. Top 2 teams have a bye week. 3 division winners, 2 wildcard record based and the 6th playoff spot is a points wildcard for the team left that had the most points to date. (so good teams with bad HTH can still squeak in the playoffs and everyone always tries to get their best lineups in because total points do matter)

Next 4 teams: Those play in the consolation bracket for the 1st pick overall the next year. Top 1-4 seed from here.

Bottom 2 teams: They suck, they don't get anything, they are in the toilet bowl. The 'Loser' of it is the Toilet Bowl 'winner'. Stick 'em with buying something for the next year's draft.. or wear some crazy 'I suck' hat at the next draft or whatever humilation fits your league. 5th and 6th overall come from here.

Week 2 of the playoffs:

Top 2 winners plus two bye week teams are in the championship semi-final.

Winners of the 1st round consolation bracket are playing off for the 1st round pick.

Week 3 of the playoffs:

Championship game happens.

So in the end you have 3 weeks of 'Top ticket' games and everyone plays in at least one extra game for the year. The first week of playoffs has the 'Toilet Bowl' big game. The second week has the 'Consolation 1st Round Pick' winner big game. Then it wraps up with the top prize third week with the Championship Game.

Since some people like double picks, we let the winner of the 1st pick overall choose to take 12th if they want that instead of 1st and shift everyone down accordingly. You could go so far as to ask 1st, then 2nd, then 3rd, and then 4th to opt over to 12th instead of their slot. (5th/6th don't get any choices, because they stunk)

In the end, this scenario keeps the 11 and 12 teams playing to win, working waivers, and not tanking... so they can at least work themselves into 10th overall and a shot at the top pick and avoid the ridicule of being 11th or 12th and in the toilet bowl.

Rewarding utter failure (12th overall) will open the door for teams to tank one season to hopefully benefit them the next. I would suggest to stay clear of instituting any benefits to the worst team or two in a season.

(Added: This is from a redraft league. )

 

[Instinctive]

Again - whether or not, and how, this works changes dramatically if dynasty vs redraft.

 

[WisWolvrns]

Another part of just having 11th vs 12th in a Toilet Bowl game the first week of the playoffs is those owners are pretty much done with FF by the end of such a crappy season. So the agony of failure or player injuries or starting lineup foo bars, can end swiftly with just one last game.

Since it is a redraft, the draft order of 5th or 6th isn't as much a concern compared to 1st-4th. Worst case, the 5th or 6th should at least manage 10th or better overall to avoid the toilet bowl in back to back seasons. If they don't, well, then they probably are very unlucky or not as skilled as the rest of the league.

I agree with a dynasty, all keep, just rookie draft each season, some other scenario probably is needed because a 1st overall rookie only pick is more valuable than a redraft 1st pick and the talent drop off for rookie only drafts is a lot quicker than redrafts. Another reason for dynasty rookie drafts to keep it like the NFL order each round and sans any serpentine.

 

[Instinctive]

Another part of just having 11th vs 12th in a Toilet Bowl game the first week of the playoffs is those owners are pretty much done with FF by the end of such a crappy season. So the agony of failure or player injuries or starting lineup foo bars, can end swiftly with just one last game.

Since it is a redraft, the draft order of 5th or 6th isn't as much a concern compared to 1st-4th. Worst case, the 5th or 6th should at least manage 10th or better overall to avoid the toilet bowl in back to back seasons. If they don't, well, then they probably are very unlucky or not as skilled as the rest of the league.

I agree with a dynasty, all keep, just rookie draft each season, some other scenario probably is needed because a 1st overall rookie only pick is more valuable than a redraft 1st pick and the talent drop off for rookie only drafts is a lot quicker than redrafts. Another reason for dynasty rookie drafts to keep it like the NFL order each round and sans any serpentine.

I have never been in a dynasty that doesn't do that. Only way to go.

 

[simey]

My money league is a keeper league with 10 owners. We can keep 3 players (only 1 player per position) for 3 years. The first year you have them counts as year one.

Our playoffs consist of the Super Bowl and the Toilet Bowl. 6 teams play in the Super Bowl playoffs (two have a bye in the first round), and four teams play in the toilet bowl. The four teams playing in the toilet bowl are playing for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pick in the draft for the next season. We don't do a snake draft so the team that wins the toilet bowl will have 1st pick, 11th pick, etc. The team that comes in second place in the toilet bowl will get 2nd pick, 12th pick, etc. 3rd place in the toilet bowl picks 3rd and 4th place picks 4th. The winner of the Super Bowl playoffs picks last (10th pick, 20th pick, etc.) Second place in the Super Bowl picks 9th and 3rd place picks 8th. The first, second, and third place teams in the Super Bowl playoffs all win money. The two teams in the Super Bowl playoffs that got knocked out early play for 5th or 6th pick in the draft. Obviously the team that came in 4th in the Super Bowl playoffs will pick 7th in the draft.

 

[wahlchris]

Out Toilet Bowl ##### is given a year old warm beer, gets his picture on the toilet bowl trophy (its actually a toilet seat) and they even get their own website toiletbowlb*tch.com where their humiliation can be shared with the world.