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Criminal Justice and Sexual Assault (1 Viewer)

I have often wondered if making the penalty smaller for such an offense, but increasing the enforcement of it would have a much better effect on reducing the number of times this happens. I think we both agree that the perv in the bar pretty much walks away scot free every time. It is seldom taken to the police because women think why go through the trouble. 

Well what if it became something that got ticketed in bars across america on a nightly basis. Not charged as a sex crime and then bringing registries in, lawyers, etc. I mean what if we treated it like speeding in a construction zone. I am not bringing this up to minimize it. I am not arguing it is a minor crime. I am just wondering if it became something that was actually often punished, would that do more to curb the behavior.  

Not something I am dug in on, just throwing something out as an idea. I have no idea what % of people fight speeding tickets. Whatever that % is though I would think it would be a lot lower if it was a public forum that people would be having to defend themselves against groping.

Women are obviously repulsed and offended and hurt and all sorts of other feelings when they get grabbed at a bar. They also dont want to have their life turned upside down because of it by reporting it and risking testifying, etc. Well what if their only involvement was giving a statement to an officer that it happened and then a ticket was issued? Would they be more likely to do that? Would it help? Just an idea. 
Without the cop as a witness how would they identify the guy?  Citizens arrest?  Steal his wallet?  If he tries to leave what are the limits on physically restraining him?  If he wins the court case are those that held him or beat him up now responsible for their actions? I would think they would be open to, at the very least, civil lawsuits.

Who acts as a witness if the accuser doesn’t have to show up to court?  It obviously can’t be the police officer if the officer wasn’t there.  Do we go to a Judge Dredd system where the officer that takes the report is also the judge?  Just wrap it all up in 30 minutes, bang the gavel, and send everybody on their way?

I find it hard to believe that DAs everywhere are secretly pro-rapist.  That they like to let sex assaulters off easy because they sympathize with the secret society of sex assaulters.  These are just often hard cases to prosecute and win.

I don’t have a good solution, but I know ditching due process to make it easier for prosecutors to convict is a very bad one.  Criminal acts deserve criminal prosecution and criminal prosecution requires due process.

 
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Without the cop as a witness how would they identify the guy?  Citizens arrest?  Steal his wallet?  If he tries to leave what are the limits on physically restraining him?  If he wins the court case are those that held him or beat him up now responsible for their actions? I would think they would be open to, at the very least, civil lawsuits.

Who acts as a witness if the accuser doesn’t have to show up to court?  It obviously can’t be the police officer if the officer wasn’t there.  Do we go to a Judge Dredd system where the officer that takes the report is also the judge?  Just wrap it all up in 30 minutes, bang the gavel, and send everybody on their way?

I find it hard to believe that DAs everywhere are secretly pro-rapist.  That they like to let sex assaulters off easy because they sympathize with the secret society of sex assaulters.  These are just often hard cases to prosecute and win.

I don’t have a good solution, but I know ditching due process to make it easier for prosecutors to convict is a very bad one.
Convict them of a non criminal ticket? I dont think the prosecutor would be involved. There is already precedent for witnesses not having to show up in court for speeding tickets. 

 
Convict them of a non criminal ticket? I dont think the prosecutor would be involved. There is already precedent for witnesses not having to show up in court for speeding tickets. 
The officer has to show up in court.  They’re the witness.  Even then they generally need more evidence than just their opinion.  They have to document the speed and show they are experts in the manner it was documented.

How is sexual assault a non-criminal act anyway?

 
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The officer has to show up.  They’re the witness.  Even then they generally need more evidence than just their opinion.  They have to document the speed and show they are experts in the manner it was documented.

How is sexual assault a non-criminal act anyway?
In some states the officer doesn't have to show up. They can write down their side of it so can the driver. Sexual assault is not a non-criminal act. We are discussing the possibility of making grabbing somebody's butt at a bar a non criminal act. In reality now you could make a common sense argument that it already is a non criminal act since almost nobody gets prosecuted for it. 

These questions that you asked here...

Without the cop as a witness how would they identify the guy?  Citizens arrest?  Steal his wallet?  If he tries to leave what are the limits on physically restraining him?  If he wins the court case are those that held him or beat him up now responsible for their actions?
Are all still questions you can ask for the way it is now. They aren't new obstacles. 

 
In some states the officer doesn't have to show up. They can write down their side of it so can the driver. Sexual assault is not a non-criminal act. We are discussing the possibility of making grabbing somebody's butt at a bar a non criminal act. In reality now you could make a common sense argument that it already is a non criminal act since almost nobody gets prosecuted for it. 

These questions that you asked here...

Are all still questions you can ask for the way it is now. They aren't new obstacles. 
And a big reason why nothing happens.  Aren’t you trying to solve for that?

 
The officer has to show up in court.  They’re the witness.  Even then they generally need more evidence than just their opinion.  They have to document the speed and show they are experts in the manner it was documented.

How is sexual assault a non-criminal act anyway?
Do you know a woman who’s been groped in public?

Do you know a woman who’s requested that the DA press charges against someone for groping her in public?

Do you know a woman whose case has led to a conviction for groping her in public?

 
"Doing the Lord's work" is my euphemism for doing the crappy, thankless work that a lot of people just skip over, but is really the difference between doing a job and doing a job the right way. Nobody ever gets credit for doing the Lord's work. You don't get a raise or a promotion for doing the Lord's work. Maybe, it makes it easier to sleep when your head hits the pillow, but not necessarily. It's the kind of work that only a benevolent god on a cloud with a tally board of good and bad deeds would notice. 

This thread makes me angry and sad. I remember sitting in an ashram listening to some maharishi speak, and him saying that this was basically the human condition: angry or sad. He said he'd rather be angry, because, at least then, you could evince change. Sad people tend to remain sad. I'll admit I am more sad than angry. Henry seems more angry. Henry is doing the Lord's work.

People seem complicated. My life is complicated. I support changing the way we view sexual assault. But, even if I agree with most of what is posted and shared on this board, I have a lot of other things that require more of my energy and attention. If someone wants my tacit support, they are going to have to make it easy for me to give it. I have given this issue a lot of introspection, have opened my mind and have considered things in a way I may have never thought to consider. That's something. But the real work of evincing change has to come from angry people that make real practical change simple for good, sad people to support.

keep doing the Lord's work.

 
"Doing the Lord's work" is my euphemism for doing the crappy, thankless work that a lot of people just skip over, but is really the difference between doing a job and doing a job the right way. Nobody ever gets credit for doing the Lord's work. You don't get a raise or a promotion for doing the Lord's work. Maybe, it makes it easier to sleep when your head hits the pillow, but not necessarily. It's the kind of work that only a benevolent god on a cloud with a tally board of good and bad deeds would notice. 

This thread makes me angry and sad. I remember sitting in an ashram listening to some maharishi speak, and him saying that this was basically the human condition: angry or sad. He said he'd rather be angry, because, at least then, you could evince change. Sad people tend to remain sad. I'll admit I am more sad than angry. Henry seems more angry. Henry is doing the Lord's work.

People seem complicated. My life is complicated. I support changing the way we view sexual assault. But, even if I agree with most of what is posted and shared on this board, I have a lot of other things that require more of my energy and attention. If someone wants my tacit support, they are going to have to make it easy for me to give it. I have given this issue a lot of introspection, have opened my mind and have considered things in a way I may have never thought to consider. That's something. But the real work of evincing change has to come from angry people that make real practical change simple for good, sad people to support.

keep doing the Lord's work.
That’s very kind of you to say.  I don’t believe in a Lord, and if I’m wrong I find it unlikely he’ll think I spent my time here doing his work.  Unless he’s a real jerk. 

 
That’s very kind of you to say.  I don’t believe in a Lord, and if I’m wrong I find it unlikely he’ll think I spent my time here doing his work.  Unless he’s a real jerk. 
Belief isn't a prequisite for finding utility in a mental construct. And he is kind of a jerk. But, she's also the source of universal unconditional love, so that's nice.

 
Despite encouragement to do so, I just can't comment on a lot of this right now.  It's too close and raw.  

But I'm encouraged by this thread and wanted to say so.  I"m much closer to the Henry Ford "y'all don't actually care" camp than the Pollyanna "the thread proves we do" camp, but still...this discussion has given me some optimism when I see people like BassnBrew, para-can'tremembertherest, irishidiot, others who are engaging in positive discussion.  To be clear, I don't mean because I don't think highly of them or expect positive discussion from them, but because I'd fear that as more conservative posters they might be reluctant to engage here.  It's a surprisingly positive and open discussion.  Thanks for that, guys.

 
It ain’t just Feinstein. 

There was an article recently discussing why white women don’t en masse vote against sexual violence or misogyny.  Basically “we’re still so much higher on the totem pole than so many other people, it could be worse.”
Of course it is just not Feinstein.  But gaining empathy and impacting minds and attitudes would be a lot more effective without the racial rhetoric which you included on the end.  That is exactly why I went off on Tim.  Mistreatment of women isn't just an issue of the evil white man, it is an issue for Asians, Arabs, Hispanics, and Africans.  Focus on cases like you have posted in here where there broad agreement about injustice.  Of course I am s piece of trash of human being for suggesting such, so there is that.  

 
The defense for white men's treatment (read groping or worse) of women:

"Other men are doing it too!!!"

At a loss for words

 
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The defense for white men's treatment (read groping or worse) of women:

"Other men are doing it too!!!"

At a loss for words
Nice mischaracterization of my point.  I have only clicked on a few of the links, but these stories all ain't white males.  This is not a racial issue and I am not defending anyone's treatment of women.   I really don't want to side tracked the discussion with the stinky bait you are throwing out.  

 
Of course it is just not Feinstein.  But gaining empathy and impacting minds and attitudes would be a lot more effective without the racial rhetoric which you included on the end.  That is exactly why I went off on Tim.  Mistreatment of women isn't just an issue of the evil white man, it is an issue for Asians, Arabs, Hispanics, and Africans.  Focus on cases like you have posted in here where there broad agreement about injustice.  Of course I am s piece of trash of human being for suggesting such, so there is that.  
No one called you or anyone else on this board a piece of human trash.  If you’d like to come down off the cross, perhaps we can use the wood to build you something nice. 

 
Nice mischaracterization of my point.  I have only clicked on a few of the links, but these stories all ain't white males.  This is not a racial issue and I am not defending anyone's treatment of women.   I really don't want to side tracked the discussion with the stinky bait you are throwing out.  
It is an issue with a great deal of a racial tinge to it. I’m sorry that’s not immediately obvious, but it is a long a storied history of feminism’s betrayal of women of color and the fractured state of women’s rights activism as a result. Women are 51% of this country and if they voted as a bloc there isn’t much they couldn’t do. But there’s a series of reasons for the break in feminism and they’re well documented. It’s not a cry that this is all about racism, but it’s a part of this overarching story. 

 
It is an issue with a great deal of a racial tinge to it. I’m sorry that’s not immediately obvious, but it is a long a storied history of feminism’s betrayal of women of color and the fractured state of women’s rights activism as a result. Women are 51% of this country and if they voted as a bloc there isn’t much they couldn’t do. But there’s a series of reasons for the break in feminism and they’re well documented. It’s not a cry that this is all about racism, but it’s a part of this overarching story. 
In this thread alone we have seen that at least one court, and a female attorney pleading matters in front of it blamed "Latinaness" in part for justification for victimization.  I wonder how that judge and that attorney would address a matter involving an Asian woman, particularly if she, too, had enhancements.

 
Not to diminish the seriousness of the topic but that is a fantastic reference in the context of this discussion.  :thumbup:
You would know. Before you were Tom Haggan you were Boo Radley.   https://www.google.com/search?q=boo+radley+pictures&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifmd-3zpLeAhWJ3YMKHTxTD3wQsAR6BAgAEAE&biw=1280&bih=938#imgrc=FsspD3cbIkdrmM:&spf=1539955817629

Of course in that story the young lady, Mayella Ewell, made up the story against the defendant, Tom Robinson, though it is clear she had a lifetime of abuse from her father.  Tom, as I recall, was quite respectful of womanhood.

 
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No one called you or anyone else on this board a piece of human trash.  If you’d like to come down off the cross, perhaps we can use the wood to build you something nice. 
There were a couple of removed posts during the mass banning, but the still remaining are 'vile', 'heartless', 'beyond any semblance of humanity'.   Sorry, if you disagree with my characterization which admittably a bit of an exaggeration, but the jist is not that far off. 

 
There were a couple of removed posts during the mass banning, but the still remaining are 'vile', 'heartless', 'beyond any semblance of humanity'.   Sorry, if you disagree with my characterization which admittably a bit of an exaggeration, but the jist is not that far off. 
I didn’t do it, it didn’t happen in this thread, and I truly don’t care.  If you’d like to discuss that issue start a thread. 

 
It is an issue with a great deal of a racial tinge to it. I’m sorry that’s not immediately obvious, but it is a long a storied history of feminism’s betrayal of women of color and the fractured state of women’s rights activism as a result. Women are 51% of this country and if they voted as a bloc there isn’t much they couldn’t do. But there’s a series of reasons for the break in feminism and they’re well documented. It’s not a cry that this is all about racism, but it’s a part of this overarching story. 
It should not be.  Basing feminism on left-wing values which tends to be overly focused on racial issues and bashing the white male, turns off a large percentage of conservatice and even some moderate women.  The only way feminism is going to appeal to a broader base is to drop all the partisan baggage and focus on the real injustices of women going on. 

BTW...This comment of yours was reasonable, your others were jerky.  

 
It should not be.  Basing feminism on left-wing values which tends to be overly focused on racial issues and bashing the white male, turns off a large percentage of conservatice and even some moderate women.  The only way feminism is going to appeal to a broader base is to drop all the partisan baggage and focus on the real injustices of women going on. 

BTW...This comment of yours was reasonable, your others were jerky.  
Nothing in my comment indicates that feminism is or should be based on left wing values, and left wing values, while they do intend to address racial discrimination, do not have to focus inordinately on racial issues nor bash white males. 

 
Nothing in my comment indicates that feminism is or should be based on left wing values, and left wing values, while they do intend to address racial discrimination, do not have to focus inordinately on racial issues nor bash white males. 
I am saying what feminism is and why that model is faulty if the true goal is to advance better treatment of women.   

 
@jon_mx

I encourage you to read this article - it's a fairly decent take on what I'm talking about.

Basically, the current "feminism" movement was born out of what originally was the suffragette movement - women's right to vote.  Which doesn't sound like a big shocker to everyone.

What's not usually discussed is the fact that in the attempt to give (white) women the right to vote first, the suffragette movement intentionally and heavily smeared the campaign for the 15th Amendment, pushing that women (again, white women) deserved the right to vote before black people - which was not only going to stop black men from voting, but also black women.  Black women viewed this (rightly in my opinion) as a betrayal.

The tension escalated in the run-up to the 15th Amendment, a provision that ostensibly barred the states from denying Negro men the right to vote. Reasonable people could, of course, disagree on the merits of who should first be given the vote — women or black men. Stanton, instead, embarked on a Klan-like tirade against the amendment. She warned that white woman would be degraded if Negro men preceded them into the franchise. Admiring historians have dismissed this as an unfortunate interlude in an exemplary life. By contrast, the historian Lori Ginzberg argues persuasively that racism and elitism were enduring features of the great suffragist’s makeup and philosophy.

 
jon_mx said:
I am saying what feminism is and why that model is faulty if the true goal is to advance better treatment of women.   
And I'm saying if you need women to behave or speak more like you want them to before they're worthy of equal treatment, it's not on them.

 
I know Henry has brought up the rape kit backlog. Obviously there have been some great strides made here lately, but it is still very far behind where it needs to be. I hear this problem talked about much more often lately, but one thing I always am disappointed in is the lack of talking about the why it exists.

I know the common answer is that we dont prioritize sexual assault or that we dont care. So while this may be mostly correct, it obviously doesn't lead to improving the situation because it is simply too broad. 

If you go to the end the backlog website they do discuss the why. They give several reasons. The one that I think needs to be talked about most often is #3, at least for achieving short term better results. 
 

3. Whether the identity of the perpetrator is known
Over 70% of rapes have a known accused. Often times the accused admits to having had sex with the victim, but gives a different account of it. So it becomes somewhat easy to at least see that a very possible next step is to avoid getting the expensive rape kit processed. I can imagine people saying "We know they had sex, whats the point." It is a terribly ignorant conclusion, but it isn't illogical

This is actually an area I think you could really win people over to understanding what exactly is going on. Almost 30% of rapes are by a stranger. These rapists are far more likely to have raped previously and there is a good chance one of those victims would be somebody they knew. By testing all rape kits, you are expanding the database so that if they rape an unknown victim in the future and that kit is tested, they have a sample on file.

13% of accused rapists of cases that have been referred for prosecution and are out on bail will be arrested for committing a subsequent offense before their trial has concluded. Think of what % of unreported rapists must be repeating their crimes within a year if that % is so high. 

So first I propose spreading awareness about the rates of repeat offenders. Then I have a proposal for rape kit conducting. Whenever a woman goes to get a rape kit done, I propose that they are given matching samples. Why? I think knowing that somebody else has custody of a sample would lead to more samples being tested. 

In the end we need local governments to pony up more cash. Local politicians care about their jobs just like other politicians do. So if a woman accuses a man of raping her and the city declines to pursue the case or get the rape kit tested and then later that same man is arrested for raping another woman, there could be serious bad press for the local department that had DNA in hand and never did anything with it.  If it is discovered he is linked to 2 other previous rapes that couldn't be solved because there was no reference sample on file until he was caught in the act. Think of the news reports. The woman that accused him previously holding up a sealed sample pointing out that the city had this same sample all along and never did anything with it and how this could have prevented a rape and solved a previously unsolved crime, in addition to shedding light on her case. That would make national news. Several of those local politicians would lose their job. I mean the mayor and several alderman in my city lost their jobs because they approved a subdivision of 12 homes being built on an abandoned garbage dump site that showed no negative test results for 30 straight years from bore samples of depths ranging from 2 feet down to 25 feet. All that took was their opponents going door to door creating FUD about non existent water issues.  

This would literally cost less than 5 bucks each time a woman goes in for a test. FDA approved sample jars cost 2 bucks. Tamper seals, swabs, etc. all cheap. She doesn't need to do anything other than hang onto it. If she doesnt want it, she doesnt have to take it. I feel most women would take it if they knew that it was to help make sure it got tested. I also feel there might be fear that an accuser may spend her own money to try and somehow get the sample tested or maybe take it to a different city's police department and get it tested. 

Again, just an idea.

 
I had been avoiding the thread because I simply couldn't read the links that HF was providing in staggering volume.  I feel like I "missed" some things and the thread has shifted.  This is one of those topics where semantics escalates things quickly.  Every word has a specific meaning.  It would serve us all well if we used the appropriate terminology.  Shockingly, there are "sides" to this thing which is why I think HF started this thread in the first place.  Personally, I don't think this changes in the legislation.  It has to be societal.  It's puzzling that our society isn't all on the same side, but not all that shocking.

 
I know Henry has brought up the rape kit backlog. Obviously there have been some great strides made here lately, but it is still very far behind where it needs to be. I hear this problem talked about much more often lately, but one thing I always am disappointed in is the lack of talking about the why it exists.

I know the common answer is that we dont prioritize sexual assault or that we dont care. So while this may be mostly correct, it obviously doesn't lead to improving the situation because it is simply too broad. 

If you go to the end the backlog website they do discuss the why. They give several reasons. The one that I think needs to be talked about most often is #3, at least for achieving short term better results. 
 

Over 70% of rapes have a known accused. Often times the accused admits to having had sex with the victim, but gives a different account of it. So it becomes somewhat easy to at least see that a very possible next step is to avoid getting the expensive rape kit processed. I can imagine people saying "We know they had sex, whats the point." It is a terribly ignorant conclusion, but it isn't illogical

This is actually an area I think you could really win people over to understanding what exactly is going on. Almost 30% of rapes are by a stranger. These rapists are far more likely to have raped previously and there is a good chance one of those victims would be somebody they knew. By testing all rape kits, you are expanding the database so that if they rape an unknown victim in the future and that kit is tested, they have a sample on file.

13% of accused rapists of cases that have been referred for prosecution and are out on bail will be arrested for committing a subsequent offense before their trial has concluded. Think of what % of unreported rapists must be repeating their crimes within a year if that % is so high. 

So first I propose spreading awareness about the rates of repeat offenders. Then I have a proposal for rape kit conducting. Whenever a woman goes to get a rape kit done, I propose that they are given matching samples. Why? I think knowing that somebody else has custody of a sample would lead to more samples being tested. 
I feel like I'm constantly raining on this thread's parade, but in my experience (which obviously isn't with every prosecutor's office across the country) law enforcement/prosecuting agencies still will have a rape kit tested even if the issue appears to be only whether the sexual intercourse was consensual.  

 
I had been avoiding the thread because I simply couldn't read the links that HF was providing in staggering volume.  I feel like I "missed" some things and the thread has shifted.  This is one of those topics where semantics escalates things quickly.  Every word has a specific meaning.  It would serve us all well if we used the appropriate terminology.  Shockingly, there are "sides" to this thing which is why I think HF started this thread in the first place.  Personally, I don't think this changes in the legislation.  It has to be societal.  It's puzzling that our society isn't all on the same side, but not all that shocking.
It is.

 
I feel like I'm constantly raining on this thread's parade, but in my experience (which obviously isn't with every prosecutor's office across the country) law enforcement/prosecuting agencies still will have a rape kit tested even if the issue appears to be only whether the sexual intercourse was consensual.  
You're definitely not raining on my parade.  I know you're not attempting to argue that Arizona doesn't have (and hasn't had) a rape kit backlog, because you're a smart guy.  Suggesting what reasons may not be what cause the backlog is good information.

 
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Despite encouragement to do so, I just can't comment on a lot of this right now.  It's too close and raw.  

But I'm encouraged by this thread and wanted to say so.  I"m much closer to the Henry Ford "y'all don't actually care" camp than the Pollyanna "the thread proves we do" camp, but still...this discussion has given me some optimism when I see people like BassnBrew, para-can'tremembertherest, irishidiot, others who are engaging in positive discussion.  To be clear, I don't mean because I don't think highly of them or expect positive discussion from them, but because I'd fear that as more conservative posters they might be reluctant to engage here.  It's a surprisingly positive and open discussion.  Thanks for that, guys.
In theory, this shouldn't be a left-right issue.  Nobody thinks that murder or armed robbery need to be viewed through an ideological lens, and there's no reason why sexual assault should be any different. 

To use myself as an example, I'm a civil libertarian.  I very strongly support all sorts of protections afforded to defendants, including Miranda warnings, the exclusionary rule, the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard, etc.  Same for rape and other forms of sexual assault.  

I understand that some people take a much sterner string-em-up approach to crime.  I don't agree with that position philosophically, but I get it, and as long as folks are consistent about also tilting the playing field against defendants in cases of sex crimes I can at least respect that point of view.

Where I think people need to reexamine their views is when they care about judicial safeguards in most cases but start making exceptions for rape, or when they turn a blind eye to police officers murdering black people but suddenly transform into Earl Warren when a white guy is accused of sexual assault.  I think it's fair to ask why there's a difference in how they view different crimes.

 
And to clarify, the stories that HF is posting here are pretty straightforward.  Some of these are cases where a person has admitted to rape or where there's overwhelming evidence that a rape occurred, and the system just refuses to follow through with an appropriate penalty.  That's an inexcusable failure to seek justice regardless of one's stance on criminal defense law.

 
Where I think people need to reexamine their views is when they care about judicial safeguards in most cases but start making exceptions for rape, or when they turn a blind eye to police officers murdering black people but suddenly transform into Earl Warren when a white guy is accused of sexual assault.  I think it's fair to ask why there's a difference in how they view different crimes.
Want to add something, and you may disagree...not sure, but also those situations where the event is being discussed and they can't resist the urge to compare it to something else.  I don't know why, but that drives me absolutely nucking futs, especially with this topic.  Focus on the incident and address the circumstances within.  Doing otherwise just reeks of "you don't really give a #### you just want to argue" IMO.

 
I feel like I'm constantly raining on this thread's parade, but in my experience (which obviously isn't with every prosecutor's office across the country) law enforcement/prosecuting agencies still will have a rape kit tested even if the issue appears to be only whether the sexual intercourse was consensual.  
Prior to the 2017 law, it was up to the discretion of investigators in Arizona as to whether a rape kit should be tested. If the investigator did not believe a crime was committed or the identity of the accused was known, they often would not submit a kit for testing.
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The practice of many jurisdictions was to submit the kit for testing only if the offender was unknown; therefore in cases where the offender was known, but there was a question of consent, kits were not submitted.
These are from your state.

 
You're definitely not raining on my parade.  I know you're not attempting to argue that Arizona doesn't have (and hasn't had) a rape kit backlog, because you're a smart guy.  Suggesting what reasons may not be what cause the backlog is good information.
AZ is one of the states that has passed legislation recently to mandate all kits get tested. They have to be sent to the lab within 15 days. That law is like one year old. Many states do not have such laws.

 
AZ is one of the states that has passed legislation recently to mandate all kits get tested. They have to be sent to the lab within 15 days. That law is like one year old. Many states do not have such laws.
Two years ago, AZ found almost 6,500 rape kits in storage that had never been sent for testing.  That's after four years ago finding 1,800 just in Tucson.  They had - and still have - a massive backlog in Arizona. For some perspective, the state of Arizona reports less than 3,300 rapes per year in a high year.

 
(By the way, this all dovetails into Arpaio, who intentionally removed detectives from sex crimes and chose to not follow up on them, instead focusing on immigration issues.)

 
(By the way, this all dovetails into Arpaio, who intentionally removed detectives from sex crimes and chose to not follow up on them, instead focusing on immigration issues.)
Right.  His inattention to these types of cases was incredibly egregious. 

 
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You're definitely not raining on my parade.  I know you're not attempting to argue that Arizona doesn't have (and hasn't had) a rape kit backlog, because you're a smart guy.  Suggesting what reasons may not be what cause the backlog is good information.
Definitely not arguing that.  Simply saying that, in my experience, which may or may not be a statistically impactful sample size, I have seen law enforcement still test the rape kit even when the sole issue is consent. 

The DPS crime labs here are undoubtedly backlogged and I could expand on that. 

 

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