DAILY Broncos Training Camp Report (1 Viewer)

[Cecil Lammey]

Jarvis Moss looked like he was in considerable pain. I will have more in my report.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Depth Chart released today:

Broncos Offense

WR 14 Brandon Stokley 12 Domenik Hixon 87 David Kircus 11 Quincy Morgan

LT 78 Matt Lepsis 74 Ryan Harris 63 Cliff Washburn

LG 50 Ben Hamilton 62 Chris Myers 68 Emmanuel Akah

C 66 Tom Nalen 67 Greg Eslinger 65 Mark Fenton

RG 77 Chris Kuper 70 Montrae Holland 72 Kevin McAlmont

RT 64 Erik Pears 75 Adam Meadows 69 Jacob Rogers

TE 89 Daniel Graham 82 Stephen Alexander 81 Nate Jackson 85 Chad Mustard

49 Teyo Johnson

WR 84 Javon Walker 86 Brian Clark 13 David Terrell 17 Glenn Martinez

16 Marquay McDaniel

QB 6 Jay Cutler 8 Patrick Ramsey 4 Darrell Hackney 5 Preston Parsons

RB 20 Travis Henry 37 Cecil Sapp 30 Mike Bell 23 Andre Hall

35 Selvin Young

FB 39 Kyle Johnson 34 Troy Fleming 26 Paul Smith

Broncos Defense

LE 60 John Engelberger 96 Tim Crowder 76 Kenard Lang 90 Kenny Peterson

LT 95 Sam Adams 73 Jimmy Kennedy 63 Amon Gordon 93 Antwon Burton

RT 61 Gerard Warren 79 Marcus Thomas 99 Alvin McKinley 97 Demetrin Veal

68 Steven Harris

RE 91 Ebenezer Ekuban 94 Jarvis Moss 92 Elvis Dumervil

WLB 52 Ian Gold 51 Wesly Mallard 56 Warrick Holdman

MLB 55 D.J. Williams 54 D.D. Lewis 59 Cameron Vaughn

SLB 53 Louis Green 58 Nate Webster 57 T.J. Hollowell

LCB 24 Champ Bailey 41 Karl Paymah 28 Jeff Shoate 36 Bill Alford

RCB 32 Dré Bly 22 Domonique Foxworth 46 Kevin House

SS 25 Nick Ferguson 40 Curome Cox 38 Steve Cargile 43 Roderick Rogers

FS 47 John Lynch 21 Hamza Abdullah 31 Quentin Harris

Broncos Specialists

P 10 Todd Sauerbrun 3 Paul Ernster

K 1 Jason Elam 2 Brandon Pace

KO 10 Todd Sauerbrun 3 Paul Ernster 2 Brandon Pace

PR 12 Domenik Hixon 87 David Kircus 17 Glenn Martinez 16 Marquay McDaniel

28 Jeff Shoate

KR 11 Quincy Morgan 12 Domenik Hixon 23 Andre Hall 86 Brian Clark

30 Mike Bell

PC 83 Mike Leach 62 Chris Myers 77 Chris Kuper

KC 83 Mike Leach 77 Chris Kuper 62 Chris Myers

H 10 Todd Sauerbrun 3 Paul Ernster 6 Jay Cutler 8 Patrick Ramsey

Rookie and first-year players underlined

Note: Injured players are not listed

 

[BusMan]

First depth chart of training camp has been released. From The Denver Post:

The Broncos released their first depth chart of training camp today. Here's a look at how the team lines up two-deep:

Offense

WR: Brandon Stokley, Domenik Hixon

LT: Matt Lepsis, Ryan Harris

LG: Ben Hamilton, Chris Myers

C: Tom Nalen, Greg Eslinger

RG: Chris Kuper, Montrae Holland

RT: Erik Pears, Adam Meadows

TE: Daniel Graham, Stephen Alexander

WR: Javon Walker, Brian Clark

QB: Jay Cutler, Patrick Ramsey

RB: Travis Henry, Cecil Sapp

FB: Kyle Johnson, Troy Fleming

Defense

LE: John Engleberger, Tim Crowder

LT: Sam Adams, Jimmy Kennedy

RT: Gerard Warren, Marcus Thomas

RE: Ebenezer Ekuban, Jarvis Moss

WLB: Ian Gold, Wesly Mallard

MLB: D.J. Williams, D.D. Lewis

SLB: Louis Green, Nate Webster

LCB: Champ Bailey, Karl Paymah

RCB: Dre' Bly, Domonique Foxworth

SS: Nick Ferguson, Curome Cox

FS: John Lynch, Hamza Abdulllah

Special teams

P: Todd Sauerbrun, Paul Ernster

K: Jason Elam, Brandon Pace

KO: Todd Sauerbrun, Paul Ernster

PR: Domenik Hixon, David Kircus

KR: Quincy Morgan, Domenik Hixon

PC: Mike Leach, Chris Kuper

H: Todd Sauerbrun, Paul Ernster

 

[BusMan]

Woah...simultaneous awesomeness....thanks, Cecil.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Woah...simultaneous awesomeness....thanks, Cecil.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I love me some Andre Hall. From the daily reports it sure sounds like Henry, Sapp and Hall have made the team with Bell and Young fighting for a roster spot.

Me too from what I've been reading. Where do you guys think Hall and Young stand from a Dynasty standpoint? Granted, Denver is always shuffling the RB deck every year, but it almost seems that Hall might be being "groomed" into a bigger future role. Maybe I'm I particularly love the "showed terrific burst through the hole and left John Lynch grasping at air on a TD run" quote.

Young has made a few good runs, but I would not look for him to do much in dynasty leagues. He has the best chance for success here, maybe he'll come through with a great second half to camp. It will be interesting to see if the Broncos keep him on their PS.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Cecil, I'm seeing a lot of notes about the D-Line pretty much dominating the O-Line in rushing drills. Are we looking at a really strong D-Line, a struggling O-Line, or something in between? This is really starting to make me feel queasy.

I think it's somewhere in between. The DLine needs to stay healthy, but they are certainly improved from last season. The right side of the OLine needs work. They are not consistently pushing the line. The cutback runs are there, but sometimes they are not and the OLine is not going to bull anyone.Certainly something to watch in preseason.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Brandon Marshall not on depth chart?

 

[BusMan]

Brandon Marshall not on depth chart?

PUP folks aren't on the depth chart.

 

[BusMan]

Brandon Marshall not on depth chart?

PUP folks aren't on the depth chart.

Note: Injured players are not listed

 

[LBH]

thanks for the updates

 

[rascal]

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mason/

The first sign of good news regarding Jarvis Moss’ left-knee MRI examination came when onlookers at Broncos practice first received a glimpse of him at the afternoon practice — standing upright, with only a wrapped bandage covering his knee.

As it turned out, not only was the MRI on Moss’ left knee negative, but the first-round pick left open the door for actually participating in Tuesday morning’s practice — something that would be a staggering sight to anyone who witnessed Moss’ tumble to the ground and heard his anguished yells halfway through Monday morning’s practices.

“Everything checked out,” Moss said. “It kind of scared me for a minute. I felt like it was something real serious, but I’m fine. I’m going to go rehab tonight, and hopefully I’m ready to go in the morning.”

Moss was nevertheless uncertain about his status until the MRI took place.

“I didn’t know,” he said. “I was just waiting for the results to come back. But right now I’m fine, and hopefully I’ll feel better in the morning.”

The injury itself was typical for someone at his position.

“It felt like my cleat got stuck in the ground,” Moss said. “I did a spin move and my cleat was stuck, and I twisted it and didn’t know what was going on. I’ll be in the training room all night, and hopefully I’ll be ready to go in the morning.”

 

[Chaka]

So Cecil my questiont iis after watching Henry live, in practice atleast, how would you rate him for this year?

Bloom and I were discussing this yesterday. I think that Henry will be a top 6 back in 2007. Now, he must stay healthy and hold on to the ball - but he can be a top back in this offense.

That's really what I'm thinking right now too. I can't see taking him out of the top 5. I just see him being HUGE this year.

No. Henry is bad. Don't draft him.

 

[Penguin]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

 

[SSOG]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

Sure, why not? He's long been a Shanahan favorite, and if he's really looking better than Bell and Hall in camp, that's all that matters.

 

[Bri]

rehash receiving thoughts on Graham vs Scheffler please

 

[LBH]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

I hope so. Ive got Sapp and Hixon in a deep dynasty league

 

[rascal]

Scheffler was apparently removed from the PUP as he was seen practicing on the field today (everything but contact drills).

No word on Marshall.

 

[Acme CEO]

Cecil, I'm seeing a lot of notes about the D-Line pretty much dominating the O-Line in rushing drills. Are we looking at a really strong D-Line, a struggling O-Line, or something in between? This is really starting to make me feel queasy.

I think it's somewhere in between. The DLine needs to stay healthy, but they are certainly improved from last season. The right side of the OLine needs work. They are not consistently pushing the line. The cutback runs are there, but sometimes they are not and the OLine is not going to bull anyone.Certainly something to watch in preseason.

I'd temper my expectations of Henry being a top 5 back until we see something different from the O line.

 

[Sea Leopard of Death]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

Sure. What makes Mike Bell or others more likely, exactly? And what have you seen from Sapp to make you think otherwise?

 

[Penguin]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

Sure. What makes Mike Bell or others more likely, exactly? And what have you seen from Sapp to make you think otherwise?

To be honest, I have never seen Sapp in action. I've been reading about him each pre-season for four or five years now and it seems that he barely makes the roster in the end. I could be wrong but that's been my impression the past few years. What originally sparked my intreset in him was back in his rookie year someone refered to him as a "Human Bowling Bowl" that couldn't be stopped at the goal line. I wish I could remember who that was.

 

[BRONG]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

Sure. What makes Mike Bell or others more likely, exactly? And what have you seen from Sapp to make you think otherwise?

To be honest, I have never seen Sapp in action. I've been reading about him each pre-season for four or five years now and it seems that he barely makes the roster in the end. I could be wrong but that's been my impression the past few years. What originally sparked my intreset in him was back in his rookie year someone refered to him as a "Human Bowling Bowl" that couldn't be stopped at the goal line. I wish I could remember who that was.

If you're reading these updates closely it's pretty clear he has been impressive. I'm not sure where you're getting that he barely made the team each year...the first year, maybe. Someone will clarify.Obviously, I'm biased (went to Colorado State where he was a beast), but if you could have seen him by now, I think your opinion would change. Mine? Great late handcuff, Cecil the Diesel. And FWIW, he had one of the best runs inside the 10 I have ever seen...up the gut, carrying people. I'll try to find the video. One thing he relishes is contact, Lammey has been saying as much over and over.

 

[Gottabesweet]

I only own Sapp and Young, I don't own Henry or Hall or Bell

Hoping I can at least get RB 2 or 3 out of those late late pick ups.

 

[SSOG]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

Sure. What makes Mike Bell or others more likely, exactly? And what have you seen from Sapp to make you think otherwise?

To be honest, I have never seen Sapp in action. I've been reading about him each pre-season for four or five years now and it seems that he barely makes the roster in the end. I could be wrong but that's been my impression the past few years. What originally sparked my intreset in him was back in his rookie year someone refered to him as a "Human Bowling Bowl" that couldn't be stopped at the goal line. I wish I could remember who that was.

It's been a while since Sapp has barely made the roster. He was actually the #1 fullback last season (as well as the #3 RB) before injuries derailed his season. Like I said, he's a Shanahan favorite, a Mike Anderson/Reuben Droughns clone- big, strong, consistent, and a very willing and able blocker. Part of the reason why he was the #1 fullback last year is the same reason why Shanny moved Marine Mike to fullback- he wanted his best players on the field, which is really saying something since the #2 Fullback (Kyle Johnson) is certainly no slouch himself.

 

[Penguin]

Does anyone really believe that Cecil Sapp will finish pre-season as the #2 RB ahead of M.Bell & A.Hall?

Sure. What makes Mike Bell or others more likely, exactly? And what have you seen from Sapp to make you think otherwise?

To be honest, I have never seen Sapp in action. I've been reading about him each pre-season for four or five years now and it seems that he barely makes the roster in the end. I could be wrong but that's been my impression the past few years. What originally sparked my intreset in him was back in his rookie year someone refered to him as a "Human Bowling Bowl" that couldn't be stopped at the goal line. I wish I could remember who that was.

It's been a while since Sapp has barely made the roster. He was actually the #1 fullback last season (as well as the #3 RB) before injuries derailed his season. Like I said, he's a Shanahan favorite, a Mike Anderson/Reuben Droughns clone- big, strong, consistent, and a very willing and able blocker. Part of the reason why he was the #1 fullback last year is the same reason why Shanny moved Marine Mike to fullback- he wanted his best players on the field, which is really saying something since the #2 Fullback (Kyle Johnson) is certainly no slouch himself.

SSOG, I appreciate your input and BRONG's as well. Having never seen Sapp in action and living about 2000 miles away I never got a really an accurate read on him.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Any more camp updates coming?

 

[Tubalcane]

Yeah...where did all the updates go?

 

[Blackjacks]

Cecil, you can't quit now you got me addicted man.

 

[Bri]

rehash receiving thoughts on Graham vs Scheffler please

Also, how's Martinez look? He wasn't half bad in Detroit when he was a rook and they had a ton of injuries. Any chance he bumps someone and is last WR on roster?Did Quincy Morgan forget how to catch? How come, since it's training camp, they don't put some work into him and try and get him to be more than a return man?

 

[vichawkfan]

Cecil, you can't quit now you got me addicted man.

Cecil - where are you man?

 

[a_troll00]

I'm thinking that all training camp updates will now go to the Training Camp reports, since it's now subscriber content.

 

[Hammerage]

According to the Denver Post, running back Mike Bell has moved up to the No. 2 spot on the Broncos depth chart. Cecil Sapp is now the No. 3 back, followed by Andre Hall. Travis Henry remains the starter.

 

[a_troll00]

According to the Denver Post, running back Mike Bell has moved up to the No. 2 spot on the Broncos depth chart. Cecil Sapp is now the No. 3 back, followed by Andre Hall. Travis Henry remains the starter.

Hmm, according to this article, he's still the #3 back behind Sapp.http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6577530

*EDIT* nevermind, that article is a day old. Checking today's print.

 

[a_troll00]

According to the Denver Post, running back Mike Bell has moved up to the No. 2 spot on the Broncos depth chart. Cecil Sapp is now the No. 3 back, followed by Andre Hall. Travis Henry remains the starter.

Hmm, according to this article, he's still the #3 back behind Sapp.http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6577530

*EDIT* nevermind, that article is a day old. Checking today's print.

OK, Bell is getting time at the #2 spot. This will get interesting

 

[rascal]

I'm thinking that all training camp updates will now go to the Training Camp reports, since it's now subscriber content.

I looked but I didn't see them.Does anybody have a link?

 

[rascal]

BTW, unconfirmed reports from camp are saying that Marshall was running some routes today. Not sure at what speed or how much, but it is encouraging nonetheless.

 

[Hammerage]

I'm thinking that all training camp updates will now go to the Training Camp reports, since it's now subscriber content.

I looked but I didn't see them.Does anybody have a link?

The week two reports are on the front page under the Latest Information tab and then the next tab down Says "Must See Content" and it is the first link.

 

[rascal]

Major news flash from Dove Valley: In a matter of minutes Friday, Brandon Marshall left the PUP list and Mike Shanahan's doghouse.

Shanahan and his coaches were growing increasingly frustrated by Marshall's absence while he nursed a strained quadriceps. But that became yesterday's news when Marshall participated in his first practice.

Now the issue becomes whether Marshall can turn into the player the coaches envisioned during off-season mini-camps. Which is to say, a go-to guy who can stretch the field and make the tough catch over the middle.

If you're a fantasy leaguer, you're probably wondering about Marshall. As in, how much will his numbers go up from last season, when he caught 20 balls for two touchdowns as a rookie?

First things first, look for Marshall to reclaim the top spot on the depth chart, which has been occupied by Brandon Stokley. Once he does that, expect him to at least double his numbers from last year. If not, it would be a huge disappointment.

Assuming Marshall wins the starting job, Stokley would move to the No. 3 wideout spot, the role the Broncos projected for him after he signed as a free agent. That would leave Domenik Hixon, Brian Clark and David Kircus as the most likely candidates for the Nos. 4 and 5 spots, with Rod Smith a virtual lock to start the season on the physically-unable-to-perform list.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_6592577

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I'm thinking that all training camp updates will now go to the Training Camp reports, since it's now subscriber content.

I looked but I didn't see them.Does anybody have a link?

The updates in the forums don't have anything to do with the updates in the subscriber content.

 

[a_troll00]

I'm thinking that all training camp updates will now go to the Training Camp reports, since it's now subscriber content.

I looked but I didn't see them.Does anybody have a link?

The updates in the forums don't have anything to do with the updates in the subscriber content.

I don't think Cecil will add his updates to this thread anymore. I haven't seen his or Bloom's notes in this thread for a while, so I'm assuming they're reserved for the subscriber only reports.

 

[Prodigal19]

Brandon Marshall is back in Training camp!

Here is what Khan from the mane had to say as I thought he summed it up pretty well"

"Brandon Marshall: I’m sure by now everyone has already learned that Marshall was out and working out today. Since that is the hot topic of the day, I’ll address it immediately. Shanahan informed us that MRI showed the injury healed save for a bunch of scar tissue. Scar tissue is painful but harmless and needs to be worked loose through using the area. Marshall has never been injured before so his understanding of playing with pain versus playing injured was limited. He had never dealt with that before. Shanahan made him go out onto the field again.

He went through all the drills and scrimmages and made some nice plays. I was surprised how not-rusty he looked. Even with all the time off, right away he looked better than the other guys we had out there save Walker. I was totally amazed at how good looked. He was very fluid and his stride looks very good. He displayed great leaping ability. He wasn’t exploding off the line like he used to, and at times he seemed a little tentative, but he knew his routes and was getting open very consistently. Toward the end of practice he was running with a bit more confidence and beat Champ Bailey of all people on a deep post pattern that Jay threw. It was amazing especially for coming back so soon. I asked him about that play during his press conference and how it helped his confidence and he kind of gave me a “that’s juts what I do” kind of answer and then said Jay threw a good ball. The target game for him is Dallas or Cleveland. Shanahan said he’ll need two weeks to get back into football shape."

 

[ruelvis]

does cecil have any thoughts regarding the bell/sapp flip flop in the depth chart?

shanahan motivational tool? did sapp loose it (fumbles, poor blocking) or did bell earn it (by playing much better)?

 

[BusMan]

Bad news re: Warrick Holdman:

Training Camp Day 13: Holdman Out Three Months

Clear skies greeted the Broncos as they took the field for their final training-camp practice, but a cloudy, unknown outlook stands in front of linebacker Warrick Holdman after he and the Broncos learned that he will be out for at least three months following the spinal-cord concussion he suffered nine days ago.

“Right now it’s a little hard to say what we are going to do,” Head Coach Mike Shanahan said. “We’re talking to his agent, we’re talking to his doctors.”

Holdman will be re-evaluated after three months, but the news was nonetheless frustrating for Holdman, considering that he hoped to have returned to the field at some point this week.

The Broncos, meanwhile, list Louis Green at the first-team strongside linebacker slot at which Holdman was platooning before his injury. With Green battling a knee injury in the early part of the week, however, much of the first-team playing time went to Nate Webster and D.D. Lewis, with the latter seeing more first-team repetitions later in the week.

 

[BusMan]

I honestly don't know what to think about this.

Broncos trying to deal Warren

By Mike Klis and Bill Williamson

Denver Post Staff Writers

Article Last Updated: 08/12/2007 11:56:59 PM MDT

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San Francisco - Broncos defensive tackle Gerard Warren did not make the trip to San Francisco on Sunday as the team attempts to trade him.

Two NFL sources confirmed Warren, who started the past two seasons for the Broncos, is on the trading block. The Broncos would pick up part of his salary, which was trimmed during the offseason. Warren, who had 51 tackles and 2 1/2 sacks last season, became expendable because he is not considered a good fit for Jim Bates' system where tackles are to primarily leverage their position and hold the point. Warren is a tackle who can penetrate the backfield.

Should Warren be traded, Jimmy Kennedy would start alongside Sam Adams at defensive tackle. Veteran Alvin McKinley and rookie Marcus Thomas would also move up the depth chart.

Warren has been bothered by a turf toe injury that hindered him last season. However, sources confirmed health was not the reason he did not make the trip.

He likely will be traded within the week for a future draft pick.

Miami and Indianapolis are among the teams who are in need of a proven defensive tackle.

Warren has been getting reps with the first team nearly all camp long. Perhaps Bates' was using it as a try out for his style of DT and Warren just didn't make the cut? Here's to hoping we get one of Miami's early round picks, and not Indy's.

 

[SSOG]

That really surprises me. I know that Warren is a poor fit for the system, but he's still the best DT on the roster (unless Sam Adams has more left in the tank than I realize). Maybe part of it is salary motivated?

The thing that surprises me the most, though, is if you're trading Warren because he's a poor fit for the scheme, then why the hell did you trade up to get Marcus Thomas?

 

[Cerwin]

Anything new on Marshall?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Hey folks, i'll be at Broncos/Cowboys joint practices the next two days, hope to get some interviews for the audible. Will post updates on my observations.