Dak had a great fantasy season, proving to be an excellent value.
In real football, not so much.
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In real football, not so much.
dickey moe
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dickey moe
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Joe Summer
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"Good night, Jason. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely fire you Tuesday morning."
It wasn't nearly as bad as you make it seem, far better than Rivers and Brady, the two guys you suggested they go out and sign.
It's easy to say "he stinks, just get someone better". It's much more difficult to actually do so.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
This is true
The Cowboys are between a rock and a hard place with Dak right now.
Hes not worth what he will be asking for but if he walks, who’s going to play QB? Good starting QBs don’t grow on trees
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I giggled, but a more apt comparison for Jerry would be the man with six fingers...or the king....or a rodent of unusual size.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Undoubtedly. It takes a village. The number of dropped passes for instance was staggering the final few weeks. But Dak had some horrid games throwing. I can't imagine tying up $40M a year for that level of performance.
Yep. I don't think most people actually stop and think about it to be honest. Who would you rather have? I'm going to ignore the Rivers and Brady recommendations, I think that was off the cuff because I can't imagine anyone watching them play this year actually thinking there's any chance that they would be an upgrade. It's a pretty short list, and very likely that none of them are available.
I mean, would you rather have Jared Goff? I wouldn't, but he comes with a $36 mil cap hit next year. Matt Ryan or Big Ben? $33.5 mil. Cousins? $31 mil. It's just the price of doing business in today's NFL.
Amused to Death
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fruity pebbles
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Amused to Death
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Older sure (would be entering his age 31 season) buy had only missed 6 games over his first 8 years.
And a worse QB with more baggage, hard pass from me.
I'm not completely against the idea of letting Dak go (depends on what the final numbers are), but I think people just need to be realistic about what that would mean- it would be pretty unlikely that the next QB puts up an equal or better season than he just had.
IMO the argument should be that they would be better served paying less at QB so they can improve the team in other areas. I don't think that's a super strong argument either, but better than "there are a bunch of guys available who wouldn't be a downgrade".
babydemon90
Footballguy
As a HC? No. Can easily see him latching on in some capacity though somewhere.modogg said:
babydemon90
Footballguy
maybe Romo can unretire like Witten....
Look at Dak’s play against good teams. Compare the surrounding talent. The Cowboys have multiple pro bowl lineman, Zeke, and Amari. The inability to win big games against good teams squarely lies on Dak’s shoulders. He doesn’t stink, but he’s not elite, either. Put Brady on Dallas, they win 11 games. I’ll concede Rivers looks pretty cooked, but they still go 8-8 with Rivers at the helm.
But this idea that JJ should commit in excess of 30 million a year to a mediocre QB when you can find 15 guys who could win 8 games with this team is crazy to me.
You could find many QBs that could go 8-8 with this surrounding talent for half of what Dak wants.
Brady just threw a pick six and lost to the friggin Dolphins at home, and you think they win 3 more games with him this year? Sorry, that's just delusional. Who did he beat this year? He wasn't any better than Dak when they played, and he was at home facing a much worse pass defense. They may not win 5 games with Rivers (which is what he won). His passes looked like punts.
It's far too simplistic to think of it this way. Yes, obviously 8-8 is underachieving, but you're giving way too much of the blame to Dak for that. Heck, if they had Forbath kicking all year they may have won another game or two just with that change. A better coach would be worth another game or two as well IMO.
So, if your expectation is to win 8 games, then by all means bring in a cheap retread QB and knock yourself out. Obviously that isn't the goal though, and you're conveniently leaving out that they've won more than that each of the last 3 years. Dak gives them a much better chance at being a contender than these washed up noodle arms you're talking about.
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I don’t know what to say other than I disagree with nearly everything you posted. If you think Dak is good and is the best option going forward, than I can’t change your mind. There is simply no way that team, as currently constituted, wins anything of consequence. I stand by that Brady is better than Dak. Put Dak on NE and they win 8 games. Rivers, perhaps, is a legit point. He looks cooked.
Id happy wager that the Cowboys never get to, let alone win a Super Bowl with Dak at the helm. When they overpay him and committee to several more years of mediocrity, I can’t say I’ll be surprised.
Dak most certainly is not alone to blame. Garrett is awful and Jerry is delusional if he keeps him, but the bottom line remains Dak, despite litany of pro bowlers lining up next to him, is nothing more than an average NFL QB.
While it is certainly not the goal, you could find many QBs who could win 8 games with that talent. No matter how anyone spins it, Dak stink in the big games and is not elite. Strictly pedestrian. The splits in games against the Redskins and Giants and other average to below average completion as compared to good teams tell you all you need to know.
matuski
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He misses those throws every game.
Early in the year against bad teams he would make good throws to hide/overcome the bad ones. That didn't happen down the stretch against better teams.
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PennStater77
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Be shocking if they are working out an extension with Garrett. Meeting a guy twice to fire him seems odd.
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Doubt that very much. He might offer him some sort of newly created position within the organization to keep him. My guess is Head Clapper for a few million a year!
Ditkaless Wonders
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Do you think he will insist on being the highest paid Q.B. in the league until, of course, the next one, or will he accept something close, but not salary cap crippling, understanding that being the starter for Dallas has collateral value.
I don't think he's the "best" option going forward, I think that would be stumbling onto the next Peyton Manning in the 2nd round of the draft, but that doesn't seem too realistic does it?
Everything is relative- do I think Dak is elite? As I've said, no, far from it. However, compared to the rest of the QB's in the NFL, he is better than average (most). Compared to the alternative options that are realistic, I can't think of any that are better (we don't even know if Rivers and Brady would be options, and I don't think either is even if they were).
You can stand by your stance on Brady obviously, but you haven't backed it up with anything other than simply saying so. You didn't address that he just got embarrassed at home against the lowly Phins in a very important game. You didn't address that he played poorly and lost to virtually every good team they played this year. You didn't address that he will be 43 years old next year, so even if you somehow think he'd be better for next year he obviously isn't the long term answer. Finally, you didn't address that he almost certainly won't even be an option for them, so it's all moot.
The fact that you now agree that I have a point with Rivers tells me that you're basing this mostly on emotion, which is understandable but not a good way to make decisions. If you can step back and look at everything as objectively as possible, he's better than you are giving him credit for in here, and there simply aren't that many better options available. I wish there were, but it is what it is.
Cowboysfan8
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I really don’t know man
Its been reported I believe that he’s asked for 40 mil per. But who knows if that’s true or not?
I would like to think that he would take a little less money because like you said he will make a lot of money just being the QB of the Cowboys. But that’s easy for me to say.....it’s not my money
Ditkaless Wonders
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I figure endorsements and post play employment opportunities are worth a ton. I don't know what Meredith made, nor Romo nor Aikman, but being associated with the Cowboys seems to be a launching pad into a post playing career that seems like it must be lucrative.I really don’t know man
Its been reported I believe that he’s asked for 40 mil per. But who knows if that’s true or not?
I would like to think that he would take a little less money because like you said he will make a lot of money just being the QB of the Cowboys. But that’s easy for me to say.....it’s not my money
Cowboysfan8
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Brady had a bad game and a down season, but he remains better than Dak, even at 43. As I stated earlier, you put Brady with Dallas, there is ZERO chance they win just 8 games. It is my opinion, of course, and we will never know. Brady played with a depleted o line and, aside from Edelman, a cast of also ran skill position players. Put Brady with the Cowboys, they win the NFC east easily.I don't think he's the "best" option going forward, I think that would be stumbling onto the next Peyton Manning in the 2nd round of the draft, but that doesn't seem too realistic does it?
Everything is relative- do I think Dak is elite? As I've said, no, far from it. However, compared to the rest of the QB's in the NFL, he is better than average (most). Compared to the alternative options that are realistic, I can't think of any that are better (we don't even know if Rivers and Brady would be options, and I don't think either is even if they were).
You can stand by your stance on Brady obviously, but you haven't backed it up with anything other than simply saying so. You didn't address that he just got embarrassed at home against the lowly Phins in a very important game. You didn't address that he played poorly and lost to virtually every good team they played this year. You didn't address that he will be 43 years old next year, so even if you somehow think he'd be better for next year he obviously isn't the long term answer. Finally, you didn't address that he almost certainly won't even be an option for them, so it's all moot.
The fact that you now agree that I have a point with Rivers tells me that you're basing this mostly on emotion, which is understandable but not a good way to make decisions. If you can step back and look at everything as objectively as possible, he's better than you are giving him credit for in here, and there simply aren't that many better options available. I wish there were, but it is what it is.
I think Dak is a known quantity at this point. Yes, I’m emotional about it, but the emotion is born of mediocre performance, not some unhinged vendetta. I like Dak as a person and he seems like a good guy. The answer to the Cowboys Super Bowl drought, he is not. I’ll take my chances and let him walk, use the money to sign Bryon Jones and Amari Cooper, and a Bridgewater type. I think that calculus gives the Cowboys a better chance to win.
Dak has a 40-24 record, 65.8% completion percentage, 97 TDs to 36 INTs, a 97 passer rating, just QB'd the #1 offense in the NFL in terms of yards, not to mention what he adds with his legs, and that's mediocre? Should be easy to name 15 guys who have been better over the last 4 years then, right?
Brady couldn't beat the Dolphins at home with a first round bye on the line for them and nothing for the Phins, it's beyond silly to say they win the NFC east easily with him. Maybe they win it, maybe they don't, but they barely won the AFC East, and that's with the best coach in NFL history and the #1 Defense in the NFL. Give Dak those advantages and the Cowboys would be SB contenders.
I hate defending him as I really don't think he's all that good, but I don't think you're being fair, he's certainly better than mediocre. If they move on we'll likely find out (the hard way).
Cowboysfan8
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Tuesday came n went, still no news
Jerry , you’re an idiot
Jerry , you’re an idiot
Brady 6 rings
Dak zero rings.
Dak is an exceptional fantasy football QB. 8-8 is undeniably mediocre.
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He really is. What could they possibly be waiting for? Are they going to learn something from these "meetings" that the last ~10 seasons didn't spell out for them?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
It’ll happen soon & they won’t miss out on anybody that was on their short list.
That’s the bottom line.
That’s the bottom line.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Rumors going around Jerry wants to trade for Vikings coach Zimmer
Another one who is so sure of something even though there's no way of knowing.
What's the upside in waiting? Nothing good can come from it, it's a total clown show.
DallasDMac
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Same argument people have over Cousins. Great stats. Horrible results. If you are happy with a talent-laden 8-8 team then so be it. But building stats against low quality teams while losing the meaningful games, well....
Football Jones
Footballguy
There's talk of simply letting Garrett finish out his contract (which ends Wednesday) out of respect. Either way, & clown show or not, it's irrelevant.
He's going to be let go. That's NOT negotiable.
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
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Cowboysfan8
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Football Jones
Footballguy
A classic example between the difference of real and fantasy football. Dak is the new Cousins. The Cowboys would be wise to walk away from the lunacy of giving him in the range of 35 million a year.
I'd argue that Dak is better, but Cousins is likely better than you're giving him credit for as well. He's playing in the playoffs this weekend, wouldn't call that "horrible results", but whatever. You guys seem to think that decent QBs just grow on trees.
Do people even read the posts before they respond? Where did I say I was "happy" with an 8-8 team? I specifically said it was a letdown, but people are giving Dak way too much of the blame for that. They've also had a better record than that in every other season he's been the QB, so it's a pretty ridiculous comment.
His contract goes for another 2 weeks for starters, but why would they need to meet with him multiple times for that anyway? It's a complete clown show. They've shown him plenty of respect by keeping him employed for so long, just let him out of the last two weeks of his contract early and move the heck on already.
Not negotiable with who lol? I still think they let him go as well, but you have no idea what's going on, none of us do.
Ghost Rider
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Agreed.
Don't get me wrong, all of the games count, but Dak was a master this year at lighting up the bad teams and playing poorly against the good ones, for the most part.
In the 6 games against the Giants (x2), Redskins (x2), Lions and Dolphins, Dak had 19 touchdowns and 3 interceptions.
In the 10 other games, Dak had 11 touchdowns and 8 interceptions.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting you are happy with an 8-8 record. As Cowboys fans, none of us are satisfied with these results. I think there is a discrepancy with how posters value Dak Prescott.
And that tells you what you need to know with regard to committing 35 million annually at the expense of other players, like Byron Jones and Amari Cooper. It’s not like Prescott is a rookie, second, or third year player. He’s a well known commodity at this point.
Im not paying 150 million plus for some approximation of Kirk Cousins.