Danish McDonalds Workers Earn $20 An Hour - Big Mac Costs... (1 Viewer)

[TxBuckeye]

At a certain point the benefit of having McDonalds make your meal will be outweighed by the fact that you can make the same thing (only better likely) at home for a lot less.

I think you vastly over-estimate the likelyhood of people who feast on McDonald's actually getting up off their asses to make anything on their own.

 

[tom22406]

Minimum wage for thee but not for me!

The Freedom Socialist Party wants the minimum wage to be $20 an hour. However, they don't feel compelled to compensate their own workers with that kind of cash.

The party is looking for a web developer, and posted a job listing on Craigslist a week ago and Indeed.com yesterday, and it's been raising eyebrows on social media.

Although the average annual salary of a web developer in the U.S. is around $62,500, the Freedom Socialist Party only wants to pay $13 an hour, which would be $26,000 a year. Except that the party won't hire someone full-time, so their next web developer's total compensation won't even be that modest chunk of change.

Just another case of liberal hypocrisy.

I was just coming in to post this.Classic stuff

 

[KarmaPolice]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

 

[Ilov80s]

Thanks TDorBust for getting htis thread beack towards the tracks

Christo and cstu were -ing it

Again the crux of this system is easy access to online schooling where you can even get your elementary school education degree online. The requirement is for every employer to have a study room and 1 PC/10 Employees for education only. This would eliminate the whole feeling of low income kids seeing no reason to finish school. This would make them realizing by just getting a GED your income will go up $5200 a year.

What kind on online schooling gets you an "elementary degree" or "middle school degree"? You can pass those grades just by showing up 50% of the time.

 

[The Big Guy]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

 

[KarmaPolice]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

look, I am not in agreement with the $20/hr thing.

I just find it sad how dissmissive people in here are of others who might work these jobs. there are a multitude of reasons for somebody to work there, but of course most here fall back to their poor decisions and lack of ambition in life. a bit of empathy goes a long way.

 

[msudaisy26]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

Then shouldn't there be a cap on everything then? Yet gas prices continue to go up, health care etc. So how can you cap someone's earning potential at their job/career, but have the prices continue to rise?

 

[The Big Guy]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

Then shouldn't there be a cap on everything then? Yet gas prices continue to go up, health care etc. So how can you cap someone's earning potential at their job/career, but have the prices continue to rise?

One thing has nothing to do with the other. Every place that I have worked at has had an hourly rate range for every position with a min and max pay rate. The price of gasoline has nothing to do with anything. To that point, gas prices have been coming down, do we lower salaries accordingly?

 

[msudaisy26]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

Then shouldn't there be a cap on everything then? Yet gas prices continue to go up, health care etc. So how can you cap someone's earning potential at their job/career, but have the prices continue to rise?

One thing has nothing to do with the other. Every place that I have worked at has had an hourly rate range for every position with a min and max pay rate. The price of gasoline has nothing to do with anything. To that point, gas prices have been coming down, do we lower salaries accordingly?

I disagree. I think they have a lot to do with each other. I don't know the stats off hand, but I believe that gas is still higher now, then it was the last time we had a raise in the minimum wage. I apologize if I am off on that.

 

[Cyclones]

At my company, we pay our production level employees for production. For example, a big piece of our business is processing healthcare claims in a data entry environment. We pay our folks by the piece. Average rate is usually targeted at around $12 per hour, but our best keyers are usually in the mid $20s per hour. Why can't other companies do this? It weeds out the non productive workers and rewards those who are dedicated enough to put in 8 solid hours.

When we take over work that is insourced, we typically see a 25-40% reduction in staff by paying people this way. I don't see any reason other industries can't do the same thing. Instead of paying folks by the hour, pay them by how fast they can complete their task. You'd see alot less slacking. You walk into one of our production units, and nobody is shooting the #### or lolly gagging. They work their tails off because every item they complete is $$.

 

[StrikeS2k]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

look, I am not in agreement with the $20/hr thing.

I just find it sad how dissmissive people in here are of others who might work these jobs. there are a multitude of reasons for somebody to work there, but of course most here fall back to their poor decisions and lack of ambition in life. a bit of empathy goes a long way.

So what are these reasons, ranked by percentage of causation, and why can't the people constrained by those reasons work to get out of those reasons? In other words, why can't people making $ 7.25 an hour work to improve their skill set to get out of that wage class?

 

[parasaurolophus]

At my company, we pay our production level employees for production. For example, a big piece of our business is processing healthcare claims in a data entry environment. We pay our folks by the piece. Average rate is usually targeted at around $12 per hour, but our best keyers are usually in the mid $20s per hour. Why can't other companies do this? It weeds out the non productive workers and rewards those who are dedicated enough to put in 8 solid hours.

When we take over work that is insourced, we typically see a 25-40% reduction in staff by paying people this way. I don't see any reason other industries can't do the same thing. Instead of paying folks by the hour, pay them by how fast they can complete their task. You'd see alot less slacking. You walk into one of our production units, and nobody is shooting the #### or lolly gagging. They work their tails off because every item they complete is $$.

I have to imagine it doesnt translate that well into some industries. I used to pay my painters that way. They were paid by the job. I would estimate the house at a certain number of hours based on formulas. 100 sq ft of siding/hr, 20 ft of soffit per hour, 30 feet of fascia/hr, 1hr/window. etc etc. If they finished the house in 70 hours they still got paid for 100 if that is what the estimate was. Some of the crews got so good at it they would always ask for the address of the next house in advance so they could develop their strategy. Some guys were better at windows, some guys better at siding. Guys started buying their own brushes so they could have two brushes going on the same job if the trim was a different color.

I dont know how you would motivate a fast food worker this way unless customers were at a constant level.

 

[Tom Servo]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

look, I am not in agreement with the $20/hr thing.

I just find it sad how dissmissive people in here are of others who might work these jobs. there are a multitude of reasons for somebody to work there, but of course most here fall back to their poor decisions and lack of ambition in life. a bit of empathy goes a long way.

Or the fact that they have no skills which translates into low pay. You know, the obvious.

 

[The Big Guy]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

look, I am not in agreement with the $20/hr thing.I just find it sad how dissmissive people in here are of others who might work these jobs. there are a multitude of reasons for somebody to work there, but of course most here fall back to their poor decisions and lack of ambition in life. a bit of empathy goes a long way.

Or the fact that they have no skills which translates into low pay. You know, the obvious.

And with some time at a job, skills can be developed and put into play, earning said low wage earner a raise and/or promotion into a new role more befitting their increased skill set. Shift workers turn into shift supervisors that way and so on, increasing your pay and taking you out of the entry level spot. This is how it has always been, however somehow today people expect things handed to them rather than going for it themselves. I have done it and know that it is easily done with wanting to do it.

 

[fatness]

Fast food prices here are not based on costs, it is mostly demand driven and the current prices have huge profit margins in them. When value meals cost $2.99 several years ago, a rise in minimum wages would of had a big impact on prices. Prices have risen 100% in the last decade, far outpacing inflation. You can now go to a chinese buffet for about the same cost as a Big Mac value meal. A minimum wage increase would probably have a bigger impact on profit margins than price increases.

Which is the reason people are so upset about this.

 

[msommer]

In the whole 'I made something of myself so why can't they' dismissal I believe there are a number of factors that I believe are being overlooked:

1) The organizations are generally hierarchial, and there are a lot more indians needed than chiefs hence, not all can become chiefs.

2) For an 'indian' it may be hard to raise a family on one income, thus eliminating the option of further education once you are in a minimum wage job. With a higher minimum wage that restriction may fall away, and that may open up the opportunity for others to join the job market (since not occupying two positions any more).

3) If 100 is the average IQ it goes without saying (but apparently it has to be said) that there are many of below average IQ. I'm not sure at what percentile it starts to lock people into minimum wage jobs but itis likely there is a drop off point. If that's too non PC then think of it as learning disabilities. If you have a learning disability you'll likely gravitate towards the job where you have to learn the least.

4) Similarly, ambition is likely distributed along a bell curve as well. So you are going to have people tending to lower ambitions.

Now the question is then, why should these people be destitute if the socoieconomic cost of assisting them (through a higher minimum wage) is limited (Which I believe MT showed in the Seattle $15/hr thread)?

 

[Cjw_55106]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

 

[msommer]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

Personally I don't live in the US

 

[Cjw_55106]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

Personally I don't live in the US

Fair enough, but many people feel the same way you do. The bottom line is, some love to tell other people what they should be doing, but do nothing about the perceived problem themselves.

 

[humpback]

As a general commentary, what is most disturbing about this thread is the utter callousness by so many toward a huge segment of our population. Seriously, you are pathetic, self absorbed drains upon what good is left in our society at large.

Totally agree. One of my main complaints about this board. "I got mine...F everyone else". (And of course they got theirs because they are either smarter or work much harder than the dregs)

So people are pathetic, self-absorbed drains because they don't necessarily agree that people should get what they want just because they want it?Got it

that was harsh, but these threads do bring to the frontline the seeming lack of empathy for people who work lower level jobs. there are a lot of reasons that somebody might find themselves in that situation, but that gets brushed aside with the usual dismissive comments.

The vast majority is why we are so dismissive of people who work these entry level jobs as a living. To be honest, I don't care what poor decisions that they have made in their lives that got them to this point. I made poor decisions and am working a career path much lower then I was headed for early in my high school career. I am not crying for me, I am doing all that I can to better myself and get promoted so I can redeem myself. The lifetime fry cook with no asperations needs to understand that there is a ceiling to his position, no matter how long he works it.

Then shouldn't there be a cap on everything then? Yet gas prices continue to go up, health care etc. So how can you cap someone's earning potential at their job/career, but have the prices continue to rise?

I don't think he's suggesting we impose an actual cap, just saying that people should realize that you probably aren't going to go far if you are a career fry cook.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

 

[Cjw_55106]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

Apparently you don't.

Do you tell everyone that is in favor of military action that they are hypocrites if they do not enlist?

 

[Green and Gold]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

The market. If you overpay everyone, you will need to up your prices to the point where you aren't competitive. If there was a floor of $20 for everyone, you wouldn't need to worry about that.

 

[msommer]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

Personally I don't live in the US

Fair enough, but many people feel the same way you do. The bottom line is, some love to tell other people what they should be doing, but do nothing about the perceived problem themselves.

In line with my earlier comments not all are entrepreneurs either

 

[KarmaPolice]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

 

[Cjw_55106]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

Thats kind of my point. These owners took the chance with their own money, desire and knowledge and dont need the rest of us telling them what is fair or right. It isnt up to them to save the world.

 

[KarmaPolice]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

Thats kind of my point. These owners took the chance with their own money, desire and knowledge and dont need the rest of us telling them what is fair or right. It isnt up to them to save the world.

I get that. my problem with these threads is more about people automatically assuming people with these jobs are unmotivated bums. I am not arguing that fast food workers need make $ x/hr.

 

[StrikeS2k]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

Thats kind of my point. These owners took the chance with their own money, desire and knowledge and dont need the rest of us telling them what is fair or right. It isnt up to them to save the world.

I get that. my problem with these threads is more about people automatically assuming people with these jobs are unmotivated bums. I am not arguing that fast food workers need make $ x/hr.

For me, the fact that you ignored my specific questions to you on this point in post #261 hurt your cause......

 

[KarmaPolice]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

Thats kind of my point. These owners took the chance with their own money, desire and knowledge and dont need the rest of us telling them what is fair or right. It isnt up to them to save the world.

I get that. my problem with these threads is more about people automatically assuming people with these jobs are unmotivated bums. I am not arguing that fast food workers need make $ x/hr.

For me, the fact that you ignored my specific questions to you on this point in post #261 hurt your cause......

I just assumed you knew how silly that question was. breakdown of % of reasons people are in a fast food job? come on.also, why is everybody there making minimum wage in your scenario?

 

[Cjw_55106]

I have many family members that have worked in fast food for years. I know for a fact that most of them are good workers.

 

[StrikeS2k]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

Thats kind of my point. These owners took the chance with their own money, desire and knowledge and dont need the rest of us telling them what is fair or right. It isnt up to them to save the world.

I get that. my problem with these threads is more about people automatically assuming people with these jobs are unmotivated bums. I am not arguing that fast food workers need make $ x/hr.

For me, the fact that you ignored my specific questions to you on this point in post #261 hurt your cause......

I just assumed you knew how silly that question was. breakdown of % of reasons people are in a fast food job? come on.also, why is everybody there making minimum wage in your scenario?

Whatever, low wages. I mean, that's what we're talking about right? Whether they make $7.25 or 8.50 doesn't really matter. It's a very low, barely livable wage. And if you can't give specific percentages do what you can. I'm asking you to justify your stance beyond just vague, broad statements. What is keeping these people in these jobs? Why are they there in the first place? I'm trying to find a reason to care instead of just wondering why these people haven't done anything to improve their position in life. It seems they don't care that much about their skill set. They just want a handout. If they don't care that much why should I?

 

[KarmaPolice]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

Thats kind of my point. These owners took the chance with their own money, desire and knowledge and dont need the rest of us telling them what is fair or right. It isnt up to them to save the world.

I get that. my problem with these threads is more about people automatically assuming people with these jobs are unmotivated bums. I am not arguing that fast food workers need make $ x/hr.

For me, the fact that you ignored my specific questions to you on this point in post #261 hurt your cause......

I just assumed you knew how silly that question was. breakdown of % of reasons people are in a fast food job? come on.also, why is everybody there making minimum wage in your scenario?

Whatever, low wages. I mean, that's what we're talking about right? Whether they make $7.25 or 8.50 doesn't really matter. It's a very low, barely livable wage. And if you can't give specific percentages do what you can. I'm asking you to justify your stance beyond just vague, broad statements. What is keeping these people in these jobs? Why are they there in the first place? I'm trying to find a reason to care instead of just wondering why these people haven't done anything to improve their position in life. It seems they don't care that much about their skill set. They just want a handout. If they don't care that much why should I?

I would be happy to attept to answer that when I am not on my cell phone doing this.

 

[Cjw_55106]

In defense of the low wage worker, they are showing up for work. Because of that, I cant say they "just want a handout".

 

[StrikeS2k]

In defense of the low wage worker, they are showing up for work. Because of that, I cant say they "just want a handout".

To clarify: When I say they just want a handout I'm talking about wanting min. wage bumped to $15-20 an hour. With no change in skillset they want to at least double their pay. To me, that's a handout.

 

[tommyGunZ]

If the folks that feel compelled to pay people above what the job is worth, what's stopping you from opening a business and doing just that?

This is always a silly position.

Yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I get it.

yep, it is so easy to start your own business. in your world everybody has the the extra capital, desire, knowledge, and good enough idea to start a successful business?

Thats kind of my point. These owners took the chance with their own money, desire and knowledge and dont need the rest of us telling them what is fair or right. It isnt up to them to save the world.

I get that. my problem with these threads is more about people automatically assuming people with these jobs are unmotivated bums. I am not arguing that fast food workers need make $ x/hr.

For me, the fact that you ignored my specific questions to you on this point in post #261 hurt your cause......

I just assumed you knew how silly that question was. breakdown of % of reasons people are in a fast food job? come on.also, why is everybody there making minimum wage in your scenario?

Whatever, low wages. I mean, that's what we're talking about right? Whether they make $7.25 or 8.50 doesn't really matter. It's a very low, barely livable wage. And if you can't give specific percentages do what you can. I'm asking you to justify your stance beyond just vague, broad statements. What is keeping these people in these jobs? Why are they there in the first place? I'm trying to find a reason to care instead of just wondering why these people haven't done anything to improve their position in life. It seems they don't care that much about their skill set. They just want a handout. If they don't care that much why should I?

You really are an ### clown. People who work full time at fast food places for minimum wage are "not trying to improve their position in life" and "just want a handout".

 

[tommyGunZ]

In defense of the low wage worker, they are showing up for work. Because of that, I cant say they "just want a handout".

To clarify: When I say they just want a handout I'm talking about wanting min. wage bumped to $15-20 an hour. With no change in skillset they want to at least double their pay. To me, that's a handout.

Under this ignorant definition, anyone who gets a raise without a promotion is getting a handout.

 

[StrikeS2k]

In defense of the low wage worker, they are showing up for work. Because of that, I cant say they "just want a handout".

To clarify: When I say they just want a handout I'm talking about wanting min. wage bumped to $15-20 an hour. With no change in skillset they want to at least double their pay. To me, that's a handout.

Under this ignorant definition, anyone who gets a raise without a promotion is getting a handout.

Nope. Businesses give raises to keep good employees. And even in fast food you can get a raise. It's usually more like 25 cents though, compared to the significant raises most of us probably receive. But to double everyone's pay for no reason other than being forced to do so is a handout.

 

[NCCommish]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

 

[tommyGunZ]

In defense of the low wage worker, they are showing up for work. Because of that, I cant say they "just want a handout".

To clarify: When I say they just want a handout I'm talking about wanting min. wage bumped to $15-20 an hour. With no change in skillset they want to at least double their pay. To me, that's a handout.

Under this ignorant definition, anyone who gets a raise without a promotion is getting a handout.

Nope. Businesses give raises to keep good employees. And even in fast food you can get a raise. It's usually more like 25 cents though, compared to the significant raises most of us probably receive. But to double everyone's pay for no reason other than being forced to do so is a handout.

Businesses wouldn't give anyone raises unless they were "forced" to.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

In that case let's make the minimum wage $100/hour and solve all of our problems!!!!

 

[StrikeS2k]

In defense of the low wage worker, they are showing up for work. Because of that, I cant say they "just want a handout".

To clarify: When I say they just want a handout I'm talking about wanting min. wage bumped to $15-20 an hour. With no change in skillset they want to at least double their pay. To me, that's a handout.

Under this ignorant definition, anyone who gets a raise without a promotion is getting a handout.

Don't you have a Rachel Maddow podcast to go listen to? I hear he's going off about the WTO today!!!

 

[Plorfu]

Don't you have a Rachel Maddow podcast to go listen to? I hear he's going off about the WTO today!!!

This is funny because Maddow is a lesbian with short hair.

 

[NCCommish]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

In that case let's make the minimum wage $100/hour and solve all of our problems!!!!

13 states raised the minimum wage above the federal level. They have added jobs faster than states that did not. Of course reality is no match for your brilliant argument and smilie placement.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

In that case let's make the minimum wage $100/hour and solve all of our problems!!!!

13 states raised the minimum wage above the federal level. They have added jobs faster than states that did not. Of course reality is no match for your brilliant argument and smilie placement.

I agreed with you. I'm just suggesting that if a little was helpful, let's go further!!!! We're on the same page here buddy!!!

 

[cstu]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

In that case let's make the minimum wage $100/hour and solve all of our problems!!!!

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

People wouldn't need public assistance if they were smart with that $1,150 they are taking home every month, right?

 

[NCCommish]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

In that case let's make the minimum wage $100/hour and solve all of our problems!!!!

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

People wouldn't need public assistance if they were smart with that $1,150 they are taking home every month, right?

Less people would need assistance. CBO says it would save the government billions. Personally I would change the tax code as well. No matter how much you make the first 20k in income is tax free. After that all income is taxed and most personal writeoffs go away. Expand the base and cut down on the outs means you could also charge a lesser rate and still collect more revenue.

 

[Mark Davis]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

In that case let's make the minimum wage $100/hour and solve all of our problems!!!!

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

People wouldn't need public assistance if they were smart with that $1,150 they are taking home every month, right?

Less people would need assistance. CBO says it would save the government billions. Personally I would change the tax code as well. No matter how much you make the first 20k in income is tax free. After that all income is taxed and most personal writeoffs go away. Expand the base and cut down on the outs means you could also charge a lesser rate and still collect more revenue.

I'm pretty conservative fiscally and I actually can agree with this for the most part. I agree the minimum wage should be a bit more and then indexed to inflation. We might not agree on where it should be raised to or what index, but I don't think in theory we are that far off. I think too many times in political issues today people become myopic to the my way or the highway type thinking. To me, getting rid of writeoffs and having flatter rates should be a conservative point of view.

 

[NCCommish]

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

In that case let's make the minimum wage $100/hour and solve all of our problems!!!!

Here's the thing the I got mine crowd always misses. Raising the minimum wage raises consumption. Rising consumption fuels job growth. Job growth fuels pay increases for people up the line. Raising the minimum wage helps grow the middle class. Middle class people spend more. Working poor spend more. This creates more jobs. Which means more consumption. Rinse repeat. This also reduces the number of people needing public assistance. and for all you budget cutting I don't care if you eat people that should get you tingly.

I don't know when we stopped teaching the demand side of economic theory but it's probably time we started again.

People wouldn't need public assistance if they were smart with that $1,150 they are taking home every month, right?

Less people would need assistance. CBO says it would save the government billions. Personally I would change the tax code as well. No matter how much you make the first 20k in income is tax free. After that all income is taxed and most personal writeoffs go away. Expand the base and cut down on the outs means you could also charge a lesser rate and still collect more revenue.

I'm pretty conservative fiscally and I actually can agree with this for the most part. I agree the minimum wage should be a bit more and then indexed to inflation. We might not agree on where it should be raised to or what index, but I don't think in theory we are that far off. I think too many times in political issues today people become myopic to the my way or the highway type thinking. To me, getting rid of writeoffs and having flatter rates should be a conservative point of view.

Well I like 10.10 because I think it gets us to the minimum level the wage would be if it had kept pace. The higher numbers come from the idea that usually wages increase as workers become more productive. But that hasn't really happened. In fact despite record profits and productivity wages are not really rising like they should. It is killing the middle class.

So I am not wedded to 10.10 I could be talked into something a bit lower probably. But the reality is 10.10 is really pretty doable. I have seen comparisons of raising it to 9 and raising it to 10. We get a lot more bang for our buck at 10.

 

[MaxThreshold]

In defense of the low wage worker, they are showing up for work. Because of that, I cant say they "just want a handout".

To clarify: When I say they just want a handout I'm talking about wanting min. wage bumped to $15-20 an hour. With no change in skillset they want to at least double their pay. To me, that's a handout.

Under this ignorant definition, anyone who gets a raise without a promotion is getting a handout.

Nope. Businesses give raises to keep good employees. And even in fast food you can get a raise. It's usually more like 25 cents though, compared to the significant raises most of us probably receive. But to double everyone's pay for no reason other than being forced to do so is a handout.

Businesses wouldn't give anyone raises unless they were "forced" to.

I just got a raise without asking 3 months ago. That pretty much blows away your "all business bad" ideology.