Daunte Culpepper to take over for McCown (1 Viewer)

[Pocket Joker]

NFL Network reports that Raiders QB Josh McCown has a fractured index finger on his throwing hand and is expected to be sidelined for at least a couple of weeks. Daunte Culpepper is expected to take McCown's place in the Raiders' starting lineup.

Got to love this! Culpepper is my QB3 (don't laugh - I've always loved this guy).

 

[swirvenirvin]

damnit i was just getting ready to cut him and pick up some scrub RB's now I have to go through and re-order everything

 

[Stealthycat]

Impact on Jerry Porter ? Impact on Curry ?

 

[Pocket Joker]

Impact on Jerry Porter ? Impact on Curry ?

I think this keeps Curry where he is. I believe he had a slight hammy pull at the end of the day - but I don't think it was serious.I don't think Porter has much value regardless.

 

[sprtbuf]

Impact on Jerry Porter ? Impact on Curry ?

I think this keeps Curry where he is. I believe he had a slight hammy pull at the end of the day - but I don't think it was serious.I don't think Porter has much value regardless.

Was there ever any link to the hammy thing? It was also said the missed plays was due to hydration issues.

 

[LawFitz]

I don't think Porter has much value regardless.

I dunno, remember the last time he faced Chump Bailey?

 

[twitch]

No more McCown? too bad. I was so looking forward to the Raiders losing all their games this year. Culpepper gives this team an actual chance to win.

 

[TheWick]

Thank goodness...saves my ### in the subscriber contest.

 

[Pocket Joker]

I don't think Porter has much value regardless.

I dunno, remember the last time he faced Chump Bailey?

When's the last time he recorded a stat? 2005? I'm just don't see Porter as a threat to Curry's production. He's been averaging well over ~100 yards a game over his last 5 regular season games, and good for ~10 catches in each. Definitely a WR2/3.

 

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

So can anyone offer some insight into any differences in how the Raiders' offense ran with Culpepper as QB? I understand it was only preseason, but such items as which receivers he favored, did he dump off to his backs like McCown, etc.... would be helpful.

 

[a_rackowski]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble.

I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

 

[3C's]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble. I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

 

[zamboni]

So can anyone offer some insight into any differences in how the Raiders' offense ran with Culpepper as QB? I understand it was only preseason, but such items as which receivers he favored, did he dump off to his backs like McCown, etc.... would be helpful.

I would imagine that Kiffin wouldn't want to switch his offense all that much on the fly. As for favored receivers, I think Curry would still be the primary option since he's, well, just better than Porter. I don't see Miller at TE making much of an impact, at least just yet.

 

[Autumn Wind]

I think this benefits Porter, who didn't get that many looks from McCown last week. I think CPepp would be more likely to take chances downfield.

 

[MOAT]

This bumps the Denver D up in my opinion. C-Pep is a turnover machine. I'd lower my expectations for Curry and Porter for this week.

 

[zamboni]

I think this benefits Porter, who didn't get that many looks from McCown last week. I think CPepp would be more likely to take chances downfield.

Perhaps, but wouldn't Kiffin send Curry downfield as well? Not all of his catches are going to be of the 5-7 yard variety.

 

[Pocket Joker]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble. I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I strongly disagree with this statement, and Culpepper is much more of a TD threat than McCown. C-Pep's arm also will stretch the field and should only add to Curry's season #s.

 

[Autumn Wind]

I think this benefits Porter, who didn't get that many looks from McCown last week. I think CPepp would be more likely to take chances downfield.

Perhaps, but wouldn't Kiffin send Curry downfield as well? Not all of his catches are going to be of the 5-7 yard variety.

True, but it seemed (based on only one week, admittedly) that McCown had honed in on Curry. Perhaps Daunte might not do that.

 

[Gopher State]

As an owner of the Denver Defense this is great news:

Pepper has always been one to fumble, and INT's are a way of life when you play against Champ at home.

 

[CalBear]

As an owner of the Denver Defense this is great newsepper has always been one to fumble, and INT's are a way of life when you play against Champ at home.

McCown had 3 fumbles and 2 INTs last week, so it's not like this would be an upgrade for the Denver D.

 

[Steelnation]

Raiders homers please chime in here

I personally think that Stuffedpepper is a huge upgrade for the Oakland O

He has the ability to get the ball down field to two guys in Curry and Porter, that have the potential to explode

The injury to McCown may be a blessing in disguise for Oakland

 

[Autumn Wind]

Raiders homers please chime in here

I personally think that Stuffedpepper is a huge upgrade for the Oakland O

He has the ability to get the ball down field to two guys in Curry and Porter, that have the potential to explode

The injury to McCown may be a blessing in disguise for Oakland

I think it all depends on just how much of the playbook he's familiarized himself with. That seems to be the main reason McCown got the starting job in the first place.

 

[a_rackowski]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble. I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

 

[Chaka]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble. I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

Why not? McKown has always been a mobile QB and he's younger than Daunte, didn't suffer a catastrophic knee injury and he doesn't weigh 240+ lbs.At best it's a push.

 

[3C's]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble.

I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

link

 

[Pocket Joker]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble.

I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

link

Some random article from a website nobody has ever heard of definitely proves this point. Great work.

 

[3C's]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble.

I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

link

Some random article from a website nobody has ever heard of definitely proves this point. Great work.

Maybe you should try a little harder. It links to an ESPN Insider article, which obviously I can't post since it requires a subscription. I have one and have read it. If you have one, feel free to read it.

 

[Chaka]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble.

I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

link

Some random article from a website nobody has ever heard of definitely proves this point. Great work.

Your right, I would much rather listen to random people nobody has ever heard of on an internet message board who provides zero supporting evidence for his statements.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

I had Ronnie Brown last year and I recall that while Culpepper was in, he threw to Ronnie a lot - when Culpepper went down and Harrington took over, it seemed that Brown's number of receptions went down with it.

Ni

 

[massraider]

We don't have enough of a sample size of either of these QBs on this team, or this offense, to make a strong recommendation.

You want a guess? OK.

Culpepper will be more likely to chuck it down the field.

I think the Raiders offense, until further notice, will be looking short-to-long.

I think they will get Porter more involved this week.

He may have a better game, but if Pepp starts I think he'll throw for significantly less yards. DET and OAK couldn't stop anyone last week, and with Denver's speed on D, I think running the ball at them makes a lot of sense.

Curry is still the #1 option, but the Raiders will spread it out quite a bit. Jordan, Griffith, Zach Miller, Porter and Mike Williams will all have plays designed to go to them most weeks. I hope the Raiders add Johnnie Lee Higgins' name to this list.

 

[cubbie5150]

I had Ronnie Brown last year and I recall that while Culpepper was in, he threw to Ronnie a lot - when Culpepper went down and Harrington took over, it seemed that Brown's number of receptions went down with it. Ni

Hard to imagine Jordan would get any more targets than he got week 1 w/ McCown @ the helm......

 

[kaso]

I hope the Raiders add Johnnie Lee Higgins' name to this list.

They absolutely need to get this guy involved in the game!

 

[Pocket Joker]

I hope the Raiders add Johnnie Lee Higgins' name to this list.

They absolutely need to get this guy involved in the game!

I agree. I think he would be great in the slot, stretching things out. Going to be a much better year!

 

[Chaka]

Are your leagues so deep that John Lee Higgins is actually on the radar?

 

[3C's]

Are your leagues so deep that John Lee Higgins is actually on the radar?

 

[Chaka]

Are your leagues so deep that John Lee Higgins is actually on the radar?

Next question: Have you ever kissed a girl?

 

[3C's]

Are your leagues so deep that John Lee Higgins is actually on the radar?

Next question: Have you ever kissed a girl?

On the lips?!

 

[flranger]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble. I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

Culpepper isn't close to McCown in scrambling. McCown was fast enough last year to even play WR in Detroit. Think CPepp could play WR?

 

[Pocket Joker]

Id venture to assume that scrambling QBs dump off to the RBs at a far lesser rate than QBs who dont scramble.

I wouldnt expect much of a difference in the Receptions from the RB position. Culpepper is healthy again - I think just like the Titans and last years Falcons, the RBs in Oakland will see a significant jump in production because of his scrambling ability.

McCown at this point in their careers is a better scrambler than Culpepper.

I dont agree with that statement at all.

Culpepper isn't close to McCown in scrambling. McCown was fast enough last year to even play WR in Detroit. Think CPepp could play WR?

Maybe he should try that out. He sure as hell can't play QB.

 

[DerwoodG]

Official Game Stats: J. McCown 30/40 313 2 2 Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on September 10th, 2007 – Kiffin reaffirmed McCown's status as a starter and said in terms of decision-making, he ran the offense as if the coaches had a joystick in terms of where he was putting the ball against the Tampa 2 zone defense.flranger:

Culpepper isn't close to McCown in scrambling. McCown was fast enough last year to even play WR in Detroit. Think CPepp could play WR?

Pocket Joker:

Maybe he should try that out. He sure as hell can't play QB.

Joker, you have no idea what you are talking about. If CPep was better for this offense, then he would have started. It just cracks me up reading all the comments from you armchair quarterbacks. None of you are at camp, none of you are NFL coaches, none of you have any idea what the Raider's playbook looks like and what kind of QB it takes to run it best. CPep will probably be OK, but I doubt Kiffin will be able to call some of the plays that McCown would be given. Bascially, we should expect to see more down the field passes, more screens, more swing passes, less rollouts and bootlegs. It might work, it might not. But honestly, after seeing last week's performance against Detroit, unless Kiffin has something special in mind for this game, stats shouldn't be great for any of the Raiders this week, unless Jordan can find some room. But hey, I could be wrong, I'm just an armchair QB myself.

 

[massraider]

Are your leagues so deep that John Lee Higgins is actually on the radar?

I think these are Raider fans that would like to see Higgins involved. That's my reason for mentioning him, anyway.

 

[kremenull]

Raiders homers please chime in here

I personally think that Stuffedpepper is a huge upgrade for the Oakland O

He has the ability to get the ball down field to two guys in Curry and Porter, that have the potential to explode

The injury to McCown may be a blessing in disguise for Oakland

I think it all depends on just how much of the playbook he's familiarized himself with. That seems to be the main reason McCown got the starting job in the first place.

I was at the Raiders home opener vs. DET. One thing that was pretty apparent to me was that McCown was very quick to lock in on the primary target, and didn't do a good job of going through his progressions. This hurt Porter's output very much in that game, and also add the fact that most of Porter's routes were further upfield than Curry's, and McCown was reluctant to pull the trigger on some opportunities where Porter had some separation. Once the bigger-armed QBs on the Raiders, C-Pep and J-Russ, are put in their to lead this team, I see a very nice uptick in store for Porter's value. It's not always the 40 yd or more deep passes that are the difference, it's also the 15-18 yard outs/ins/seams that need the extra-zip on the ball since the window is tighter on those routes. But all top-end QBs have the ability to convert on those throws. Think Jim Kelly, Elway, Favre, and Marino (who did it with great anticipation and very nice zip).

In the end, Curry will still be very involved and get many targets, but once the QB situation clears up and McCown is out of the picture, Curry and Porter will be very close to a 50/50 proposition......and both should be productive enough to play as a solid 3rd WR in fantasy. I am a believer in Lane Kiffin.

 

[Pocket Joker]

Official Game Stats: J. McCown 30/40 313 2 2 Posted by Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer on September 10th, 2007 – Kiffin reaffirmed McCown's status as a starter and said in terms of decision-making, he ran the offense as if the coaches had a joystick in terms of where he was putting the ball against the Tampa 2 zone defense.flranger:

Culpepper isn't close to McCown in scrambling. McCown was fast enough last year to even play WR in Detroit. Think CPepp could play WR?

Pocket Joker:

Maybe he should try that out. He sure as hell can't play QB.

Joker, you have no idea what you are talking about. If CPep was better for this offense, then he would have started. It just cracks me up reading all the comments from you armchair quarterbacks. None of you are at camp, none of you are NFL coaches, none of you have any idea what the Raider's playbook looks like and what kind of QB it takes to run it best. CPep will probably be OK, but I doubt Kiffin will be able to call some of the plays that McCown would be given. Bascially, we should expect to see more down the field passes, more screens, more swing passes, less rollouts and bootlegs. It might work, it might not. But honestly, after seeing last week's performance against Detroit, unless Kiffin has something special in mind for this game, stats shouldn't be great for any of the Raiders this week, unless Jordan can find some room. But hey, I could be wrong, I'm just an armchair QB myself.

I think CPep will be a nice upgrade. Hopefully, he can resurrect some of that 2004 magic again.

 

[sandlotshrink]

Do we think CPep has any of that ProBowl magic left in the tank? This is a tough start vs. Denver D so if he doesn't produce big numbers, does Kiffin re-insert McCown or does he re-insert McCown regardless of what CPep does? Just deciding if he's worth a roster spot at this point so any insider info would be appreciated.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I think with Cpep the Raiders will try to go deep a lot more as he has much better arm strength and accuracy on deep throws than McCown does.

As long as the offensive line can give him solid protection and he limits the fumbles this guy could be a solid starter for many FF teams. Better than McCown will be.