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You missed the point.I will take TO and Witten over Plax and Shockey every day of the week.Right, because the Cowboys would never make it to the playoffs without him.A trip to the playoffs?I think Dallas now knows what selling your soul to the devil really gets you.
Yeah, right! TO has been nothing but consistent in his determination to garner as much of the media spotlight as he possibly can. Well he's got it, for both the good & the bad.The chance of this incident being swept under the rug & not talked about after this week is about .01%
You really think so? Honestly it seems that Jerry Jones has been drinking the same kool-aid that Irvin drinks while relentlessly defending TO. The only thing remotely close to a criticism that I've heard Jerry Jones say since signing TO was during training camp when he was missing practices. Fight with WR coach? Jones said he was gonna fine the WR coach. Napping during meetings? No problemo. As long as previous Super Bowl Cowboys like Irvin/Deion keep whispering in Jones's ear that TO is the same difference-maker on the field that they were, he will be fine with it.
and it was in the beginning, wtf how can you be frustrated after one possession? must've been some serious trash talk, and TO's not bright enough to talk back, so he responded physically.what a ####### i think goodell will suspend him, he's been trying to be a little tougher than tagliabue. and what better than to suspend him in a huge game for him.
Personally I have never liked the little punks that talk a bunch of trash and can't back it up so I would call DeAngelo the ##### and I believe TO made him his ##### in the game.
One player, Stevens wasn't kneeing him, his legs were dangling as he was jerked around. That fine was essentially because of his reputation. His leg lifted and therefore he "must have" been trying to knee, because he's Jerramy Stevens. Same thing with TO, his rep will garner a bigger fine than others.Edit: Clayton just talked about it and mentioned a 15K fine at least as his prediction, never mentioned a suspension. He did say it would alleviate a little of Hall's fine since he was reacting to the spit.
Update, Slick: Owens has admitted to this.I think that two turds are saying the same thing, you can apply the double-negative principle. It happened.
Oh, well, I wouldn't trust anything T.O. says either!
Voice of reason here. Since when has Jerry Jones been pressured into anything? If the league only fines TO I just can't see how Jerry Jones is going sit him. No way. JJ is his own man.And if Sean Taylor only gets fined I can't see how you can suspend TO. Great, Goodall is new and all, but there is precedent and that counts for something. You can't just ignore prior judgements because it's TO - that is creating separate rules for separate players. Plus TO apologized immediately after the game.
OK, so it's not OK to spit, but it is OK to fight someone? I guess TJ and Ditka are employing the same train of thought that an 11-year-old would have: HE STARTED IT!!!!!!!Everyone involved here is an idiot: Hall, T.O., Jackson, Ditka.
What would you do if someone spit in your face?
Unfortunately, I might react in a way that would lower me to his level. That wouldn't make it right, though. Did DeAngelo just walk away? If he did, good for him. I didn't see that particular incident, but I did see Hall acting like a punk a few other times. Maybe that was why, I don't know.
No, TO accused Jeff Garthia of that.
No, you're not the only one. There are a lot of good, smart people who applaud spitting in another man's face.
Applauding it would be over-reacting, too. Nice try.
So, what do you think is an appropriate reaction, then? I think, especially given TO's extensive history as a mind-numbing ingrate, it's a no-brainer to call him out for a disgusting, classless, sissy act like this.
You get his drift though, right?Don't forget, like it or not, NFL players are in the public spotlight & are role models for lots of kids.Spitting in someones face is not the image NFL wants the players to project.
In other words, you don't have an answer to the question. Thanks for participating.An appropriate reaction would be to sit back and chuckle at the histrionics here.
"Think of the children?" We're talking about a sport where we applaud players absolutely smashing and demolishing each other. He's an idiot for spitting on another player. It means he lost control. Same with Sean Taylor. But it's not the big deal people are making it out to be. Intentionally injuring someone is a big deal.
I'm with ya, fatness. I've found this whole thread very solid unintentional hilarity.
TO is an idiot for many reasons. This is just another ordeal in a long line of stupidity that shadows TO wherever he goes. And, as a Cowboy fan, having never supported the move to bring him to Dallas in the first place, I hope he gets his just due. Problem is, for whatever motives people have, there are plenty of TO supporters out there who find nothing wrong in his pattern of behavior, which is an interesting reflection on them more than anything.
Again, I'm curious to hear what you apologists for TO actually think about the latest incident. Do you support spitting in another man's face? Do you think it's not a big deal? What's unintentionally hilarious about calling out an ingrate for doing ingrate-types of behaviors?
You would probably consider me a T.O. "supporter," but I don't think that's accurate. I think a lot of people "support" T.O. because of how the media overreacts to every little thing he does. I think he is unfairly bashed for some of the stuff. I'm not excusing his spitting in Hall's face or saying he shouldn't be bashed for it. He should. It was terrible.I'm just saying that he has been villified by the media for a lot of other things that he shouldn't have because going that route is an easy and lazy way to attract viewers. The hype that the media tries to sell - either negative or positive - is much more disturbing to me than anything T.O. has ever done. It seems every week we are subjected to so and so is the greatest ever or the worst of all time. There's no middle of the road. It's all hype and controversy and drama - whether any exists or not. T.O. is a big part of that.
I think you could pick apart individual instances (falling asleep, arguing with a coach, etc.) and accurately say that each little thing wouldn't get magnified if it were someone else. I agree with that.What you miss, though, is the gestalt--the big picture. I think this is the reason why the media and fans are fascinated with TO. It's because he has this long line of being a stupid punk, and you'd think any normal person would "get it" one day and try to change his behavior and stop being that stupid punk.
Did TO date your sister or something? Appears you've got some serious hate going on here.People aren't always nice. They do mean things and act like idiots ALL the time.
My point had nothing to do with the NFL glorifying violence and whether or not it is an appropriate image for kids. That is really a reflection on human beings & our society in general. It is probably worthy of a discussion in the Tail-Gate, but not here.Back on point.
I think a lot of people are overlooking this point. Goodall has been very tough on guys. They're making it pretty clear that they're not going to put up with a lot of crap anymore.
Take a breath, step back from the keyboard and think about what fatness said. Let's get some reason in this discussion.
Of course they don't. They don't want taunting to go on during games, either. Both those offenses get penalized, Neither results in suspensions. That's the size of the problem. I think some of the reactions in the thread are out of scale to the problem. I don't see where moral outrage fits either spitting or taunting.I do see where intentionally trying to injure another player, though, is one example of what is harmful enough to require suspension and qualifies for expressions of moral outrage.
Oh, yes. And please enlighten us all on the breath of fresh logic you can offer all of us here.
The woogie is pretty gross. But its not criminal. Cou*BENGALS*gh!He didn't smash into a family's car driving drunk, resulting in deaths, and then get caught driving drunk 2x afterward Cou*LITTLE*gh!TO's just a little kwazy.Amusing. But basically harmless in Dallas.This is football, so Ill really don't care that he spat in DeAngelo's face. Its not tennis.
Its not like he waited for Hall after the game and ran over him with a car.
It wasn't politically correct, but these people bleed on each other, sweat on each other, snot on each other alot the time. I could care less if everyone on both teams were hocking up a storm before each snap. But in the end I think they would realizze that it was easier to succeed when they didn't.I like to see fire in players, even if they are on the edge of being kwazy.........PS TO will never be a player of LT2s stature
. But he aint no James Thrash either
What does spitting in a man's face have anything to do with football?Bright crowd today.All you nansy-pansies should go back to tennis and golf. sheesh. Hello - THIS IS FOOTBALL!
FYI - You've ruined what could have been a good discussion.Thanks.What does spitting in a man's face have anything to do with football?Bright crowd today.All you nansy-pansies should go back to tennis and golf. sheesh. Hello - THIS IS FOOTBALL!
Oh, sorry if I ruined your TO lovefest this morning. I know how admired he is by a few of you.FYI - You've ruined what could have been a good discussion.Thanks.What does spitting in a man's face have anything to do with football?Bright crowd today.All you nansy-pansies should go back to tennis and golf. sheesh. Hello - THIS IS FOOTBALL!
last post - just had to add...Oh, sorry if I ruined your TO lovefest this morning. I know how admired he is by a few of you.FYI - You've ruined what could have been a good discussion.Thanks.What does spitting in a man's face have anything to do with football?Bright crowd today.All you nansy-pansies should go back to tennis and golf. sheesh. Hello - THIS IS FOOTBALL!
Smilie's a poor substitute for a substantive contribution. But, I'm sure it's much of the same "I love TO no matter what" nonsense, so it's for the better.last post - just had to add...Oh, sorry if I ruined your TO lovefest this morning. I know how admired he is by a few of you.FYI - You've ruined what could have been a good discussion.Thanks.What does spitting in a man's face have anything to do with football?Bright crowd today.All you nansy-pansies should go back to tennis and golf. sheesh. Hello - THIS IS FOOTBALL!
