Delhomme to browns? (1 Viewer)

[Loopdog]

$7 Million dollars for Delhomme? Oh my God, was he laughing when he signed the contract?

 

[nxmehta]

$7 Million dollars for Delhomme? Oh my God, was he laughing when he signed the contract?

$7 million is something I could *maybe* tolerate over three seasons for Delhomme, but that amount just for this year is certifiably crazy. This means, combined with the money from Carolina, Jake Delhomme is making $19 million this year alone. Chew on that folks.Seriously, did Holmgren check his stat line from last year? 2000 yards, 55% completion, 8 TDs 18 INTs. Attention Mike Holmgren: this isn't 2004.

Also, while we're afraid to pay Derek Anderson a $2 million bonus (which was the right decision), we're happily handing Jake over 3x that amount?

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I find this move VERY questionable, but I don't know - I guess you just have to trust Holmgren for now. I won't judge it until after I see what they do at the draft. I tend to think it increases the odds that they go QB early...

Bringing in a vet to hold down the fort and mentor a rookie while you ease him into the lineup would make sense, and to my knowledge they haven't revealed the total value of the contract and what he'll be making in 2011 (?) - So I kind of wonder if it could be a tiny bit of posturing for the draft by front-loading the deal to pay him "starter money" this year and acting like he's their guy.

I'm probably being overly optimistic though, I'm sure.

 

[Cassius]

Not sure why CLE fans are so upset.

Do you have a couple of days free?

Point taken.

I for one think Brady is better than Jake. Silly me.

While I'm not a Brady Quinn enthusiast, Jake is horrible.......and Wallace is nothing to be excited about. The only thing that made Jake look serviceable was Steve Smith. What offensive firepower does Cleveland have again?

What made Jake very good (he used to be far better than "serviceable") was his smart decision making and ability to take care of the ball. There's a chance whatever just happened to him in CAR was mental. Maybe a change of scenery fixes something. That said, $7 million a year is insane. Who the hell did CLE think they were bidding against?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.

I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

In terms of the money, are we really still surprised at the amounts? Everytime I see someone sign and surf the post someone is always surprised at how much they're getting paid.

Let's just agree that all these guys are getting paid too much money. You accept that fact and then you can just sit back and analyze the football end of it because there isn't a way you can justify why a guy can make that much money.

I see an upgrade at QB for the Browns over the past several seasons.

 

[daveR]

I see an upgrade at QB for the Browns over the past several seasons.

Maybe. I saw Quinn progressing, during the season last year, for the first time. He started looking more comfortable and less mechanical.Or maybe I was seeing things. I dunno...

 

[BoltBacker]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense. I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

 

[Avery]

What made Jake very good (he used to be far better than "serviceable") was his smart decision making and ability to take care of the ball. There's a chance whatever just happened to him in CAR was mental. Maybe a change of scenery fixes something.

That said, $7 million a year is insane. Who the hell did CLE think they were bidding against?

I live in N.C. and watched most of his games over the past couple of years. His arm is gone.He got picked off a ton last year not only for bad decision making but he can't throw NFL QB throws any more.

His deep out, Hell, his shallow out, is a slow throw that's easy for the defense to jump the route. He (barely) survived the last year or two by living off of throwing jump ball balloons and ducks and letting Smith fight for the ball.

After that ridiculous Panthers contract I couldn't imagine another team would pay him for what he once was and not what he now is.

Way to go Cleveland.

 

[Christo]

Like all of the Browns moves this offseason except this one God I wonder how much $$$ we're forking over for this guy. I'm sure he's being paid to start.I'm afraid to ask CAR homers to chime in on this...

Adam_Schefter For those wondering about Brady Quinn's future in Cleveland, consider: Browns paying Jake Delhomme starter money -- $7 million this season.

Unbelievable! What in the world is Holmgren thinking?

That Cleveland didn't have a NFL calibre QB on its roster when he joined the team?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense. I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? I'm saying Cleveland is better at QB than they were last year. Players can benefit from a change in scenery even at 35 years of age, look at Kurt Warner to Arizona and Brett Farve to Minnesota. Delhomme isn't in their class but your statement of not being convinced because of the age of the person is unfounded. Delhomme may not benefit from the change of scenery but there are QB's that have been older than him that have done just fine doing the same thing.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I think S. Wallace is not a very good QB. But other than what Delhomme has done in the past what makes him a better option than Wallace this up coming season? Right now cleveland has nothing more than back up QB's on their roster. It will be interesting to see who Holmgren is planning on molding into his starter for the future. Right now the QB situation in Clevland is the worst in the league tied with Oakland.

 

[BassNBrew]

HA! HA!

 

[thevidon]

People in the Carolinas are laughing it up right now. Delhomme has been astoundingly bad for the past couple seasons. The fact that they want him to start, much less want to pay him starter money is mind boggling.

 

[Moniker]

People in the Carolinas are laughing it up right now. Delhomme has been astoundingly bad for the past couple seasons. The fact that they want him to start, much less want to pay him starter money is mind boggling.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Delhomme was only "astoundingly bad" last season.

 

[Random]

HA! HA!

:finger:

 

[Steelfan7]

Like all of the Browns moves this offseason except this one God I wonder how much $$$ we're forking over for this guy. I'm sure he's being paid to start.I'm afraid to ask CAR homers to chime in on this...

Adam_Schefter For those wondering about Brady Quinn's future in Cleveland, consider: Browns paying Jake Delhomme starter money -- $7 million this season.

Unbelievable! What in the world is Holmgren thinking?

That Cleveland didn't have a NFL calibre QB on its roster when he joined the team?

They still don't.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Just a horrible move by a horrible franchise. For those of you who thought Holmgren would turn things around, you thought wrong.

Why?

 

[Steelfan7]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense. I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? I'm saying Cleveland is better at QB than they were last year. Players can benefit from a change in scenery even at 35 years of age, look at Kurt Warner to Arizona and Brett Farve to Minnesota. Delhomme isn't in their class but your statement of not being convinced because of the age of the person is unfounded. Delhomme may not benefit from the change of scenery but there are QB's that have been older than him that have done just fine doing the same thing.

Delhomme is terrible at this stage of his career. His arm is shot and I can't wait until December to see the quails he will be throwing when the weather gets bad. Browns had a press conference today and The Walrus said that Jake is a proven qb and he only had one bad year.

 

[Steelfan7]

Just a horrible move by a horrible franchise. For those of you who thought Holmgren would turn things around, you thought wrong.

Why?

Why are they horrible or why it is a horrible move? Or Both?

 

[Christo]

Just a horrible move by a horrible franchise. For those of you who thought Holmgren would turn things around, you thought wrong.

Why?

Yeah, I don't understand this. I'd think Holmgren has done enough in the league to warrant allowing him to actually see the opening day kickoff before burying him.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Just a horrible move by a horrible franchise. For those of you who thought Holmgren would turn things around, you thought wrong.

Why?

Yeah, I don't understand this. I'd think Holmgren has done enough in the league to warrant allowing him to actually see the opening day kickoff before burying him.

Yeah, but you and I are obviously not on the same level of thinking as BTB. There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. There is no doubt that the Browns overpaid for Delhomme but for those thinking he isn't an upgrade over what the Browns had last year I'm not sure what to say.

 

[omally]

He's not an upgrade over what you had last year--he's worse. When the Panthers cut Delhomme a few weeks ago, most intelligent people probably figured that was the end of his NFL career and he would never play another down. I am shocked that an NFL team is bringing him in to be a starter.

I'm not shocked that another team has signed him. Jake is a great leader and not every game he played last year was horrible. He stated after being released that he tried too hard not to mistakes last season, and that caused him not to be himself which is a gunslinger. Maybe that is true. Jake was a good quarterback and a great leader for the Panthers for a long time, and maybe he can get some of that mojo back in a new setting. If he does start for the Browns next season I hope he does well (except for when he plays the Panthers).

 

[BassNBrew]

He's not an upgrade over what you had last year--he's worse. When the Panthers cut Delhomme a few weeks ago, most intelligent people probably figured that was the end of his NFL career and he would never play another down. I am shocked that an NFL team is bringing him in to be a starter.

I'm not shocked that another team has signed him. Jake is a great leader and not every game he played last year was horrible. He stated after being released that he tried too hard not to mistakes last season, and that caused him not to be himself which is a gunslinger. Maybe that is true. Jake was a good quarterback and a great leader for the Panthers for a long time, and maybe he can get some of that mojo back in a new setting. If he does start for the Browns next season I hope he does well (except for when he plays the Panthers).

If that was trying too hard not to make mistakes, he might hit 30 INTs if he doestn't try. Let's not forget that he was sack 23 times and fumble 6 times to go with the 18 INTs in 321 attempts. Moore had better numbers across the board with Gross missing a good bit of that time.I like the guy, but he's toast. This guy is one tipped ball away from a total meltdown.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Unbelievable! What in the world is Holmgren thinking?

"I'm Mike Holmgren. I've got the Midas Touch when it comes to quarterbacks. Watch me work my magic yet again."

 

[Steelfan7]

He's not an upgrade over what you had last year--he's worse. When the Panthers cut Delhomme a few weeks ago, most intelligent people probably figured that was the end of his NFL career and he would never play another down. I am shocked that an NFL team is bringing him in to be a starter.

I'm not shocked that another team has signed him. Jake is a great leader and not every game he played last year was horrible. He stated after being released that he tried too hard not to mistakes last season, and that caused him not to be himself which is a gunslinger. Maybe that is true. Jake was a good quarterback and a great leader for the Panthers for a long time, and maybe he can get some of that mojo back in a new setting. If he does start for the Browns next season I hope he does well (except for when he plays the Panthers).

If that was trying too hard not to make mistakes, he might hit 30 INTs if he doestn't try. Let's not forget that he was sack 23 times and fumble 6 times to go with the 18 INTs in 321 attempts. Moore had better numbers across the board with Gross missing a good bit of that time.I like the guy, but he's toast. This guy is one tipped ball away from a total meltdown.

It's pretty obvious to everyone except the browns or their die hard fans that the tank is empty on Jake. The guy had over a 2-1 TD-Int ratio. Only 8 tds to 18 ints and only completed 55% his passes with the league's best ground game supporting him while throwing to Steve Smith. His elbow is shot and he's finished. He's got a gunslinger mentality and his arm can't cover that check anymore.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

He's not an upgrade over what you had last year--he's worse. When the Panthers cut Delhomme a few weeks ago, most intelligent people probably figured that was the end of his NFL career and he would never play another down. I am shocked that an NFL team is bringing him in to be a starter.

I'm not shocked that another team has signed him. Jake is a great leader and not every game he played last year was horrible. He stated after being released that he tried too hard not to mistakes last season, and that caused him not to be himself which is a gunslinger. Maybe that is true. Jake was a good quarterback and a great leader for the Panthers for a long time, and maybe he can get some of that mojo back in a new setting. If he does start for the Browns next season I hope he does well (except for when he plays the Panthers).

If that was trying too hard not to make mistakes, he might hit 30 INTs if he doestn't try. Let's not forget that he was sack 23 times and fumble 6 times to go with the 18 INTs in 321 attempts. Moore had better numbers across the board with Gross missing a good bit of that time.I like the guy, but he's toast. This guy is one tipped ball away from a total meltdown.

It's pretty obvious to everyone except the browns or their die hard fans that the tank is empty on Jake. The guy had over a 2-1 TD-Int ratio. Only 8 tds to 18 ints and only completed 55% his passes with the league's best ground game supporting him while throwing to Steve Smith. His elbow is shot and he's finished. He's got a gunslinger mentality and his arm can't cover that check anymore.

I don't get what Holmgren saw in his video analysis of Jake that made it appear he could ever be successful again as an NFL starter. It is mind boggling.

 

[omally]

His elbow is shot and he's finished. He's got a gunslinger mentality and his arm can't cover that check anymore.

His arm strength became stronger after his surgery. What seemed to be different this past year is he was inaccurate in his throws.

 

[Steelfan7]

His elbow is shot and he's finished. He's got a gunslinger mentality and his arm can't cover that check anymore.

His arm strength became stronger after his surgery. What seemed to be different this past year is he was inaccurate in his throws.

Not in the games I watched. He couldn't throw an out pattern to save his life. Just wait until he tries and throws in bad weather in Clev, Pitt and Cincy.

 

[meanjoegreen]

His elbow is shot and he's finished. He's got a gunslinger mentality and his arm can't cover that check anymore.

His arm strength became stronger after his surgery. What seemed to be different this past year is he was inaccurate in his throws.

Not in the games I watched. He couldn't throw an out pattern to save his life. Just wait until he tries and throws in bad weather in Clev, Pitt and Cincy.

You must have not watched many games. I've seen every Panther game, and Delhomme definitely had more juice in his arm post tommy john surgery, but his accuracy was off a lot last season.

 

[Steelfan7]

His elbow is shot and he's finished. He's got a gunslinger mentality and his arm can't cover that check anymore.

His arm strength became stronger after his surgery. What seemed to be different this past year is he was inaccurate in his throws.

Not in the games I watched. He couldn't throw an out pattern to save his life. Just wait until he tries and throws in bad weather in Clev, Pitt and Cincy.

You must have not watched many games. I've seen every Panther game, and Delhomme definitely had more juice in his arm post tommy john surgery, but his accuracy was off a lot last season.

I watched every Panthers game last yr due to owning D-Will and J-Stew. If his arm strength improved than that does not say much for his arm strength before the surgery because his throws to me had no zip and were all over the place on top of very poor decision making. Not a very good combo for a qb especially one making the coin Jake made last yr and this yr.

 

[BoltBacker]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.

I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense.

I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? I'm saying Cleveland is better at QB than they were last year. Players can benefit from a change in scenery even at 35 years of age, look at Kurt Warner to Arizona and Brett Farve to Minnesota. Delhomme isn't in their class but your statement of not being convinced because of the age of the person is unfounded. Delhomme may not benefit from the change of scenery but there are QB's that have been older than him that have done just fine doing the same thing.

I'm disagreeing with the first bolded.I'm agreeing with the second bolded.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.

I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense.

I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

The Browns' Oline isn't too bad actually - In fact, they really weren't too far off from Carolina's last year:- CLE gave up 30 sacks and 61 QB hits

- CAR gave up 33 sacks and 62 QB hits

- CLE's oline generated 2,087 yards rushing with a 4.2 avg

- CAR's oline generated 2,498 yards rushing with a 4.8 avg and MUCH better RBs

I don't see anything there to suggest that Delhomme will be getting a lot more pressure than he did in Carolina...

 

[simey]

I watched every Panthers game last yr due to owning D-Will and J-Stew. If his arm strength improved than that does not say much for his arm strength before the surgery because his throws to me had no zip and were all over the place on top of very poor decision making.

Plenty of Jake's throws had zip on them last year, and he overthrew way more than he underthrew the ball. His throws being all over the place is inaccuracy as others have said. Sometimes it seemed he had a blindfold on and was just chucking it up in the air. Most of Jake's mistakes last year were his fault, but there were some breakdowns in the OL, and the WRs messed up on their routes more than usual last year, and the play calling was suspect in several games. Jake is such an emotional player, I think his mistakes did get into his head and hurt him. If he starts at Cleveland, I hope he does well. He is the best leader the Panthers have ever had, and he used to be great in the 2 minute drill. It would be nice for him to end his career on a better note. No matter what, he is still getting a nice chunk of change.

 

[Kosar]

Just a horrible move by a horrible franchise. For those of you who thought Holmgren would turn things around, you thought wrong.

Why?

Yeah, I don't understand this. I'd think Holmgren has done enough in the league to warrant allowing him to actually see the opening day kickoff before burying him.

Yeah, but you and I are obviously not on the same level of thinking as BTB. There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. There is no doubt that the Browns overpaid for Delhomme but for those thinking he isn't an upgrade over what the Browns had last year I'm not sure what to say.

 

[BassNBrew]

Just a horrible move by a horrible franchise. For those of you who thought Holmgren would turn things around, you thought wrong.

Why?

Yeah, I don't understand this. I'd think Holmgren has done enough in the league to warrant allowing him to actually see the opening day kickoff before burying him.

Yeah, but you and I are obviously not on the same level of thinking as BTB. There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. There is no doubt that the Browns overpaid for Delhomme but for those thinking he isn't an upgrade over what the Browns had last year I'm not sure what to say.

Not so fast. Quinn would have been a huge upgrade over Delhomme last year. Picture 2009 Derek Anderson playing after consuming a 12 pack of beer and a bag of Bojangles suaage biscuits and you would have a good idea of jake's best game.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I would take Carr over Delhomme anyday. Just my opinion of course. Houston destroyed any chance for Carr to be successful. I wouldn't be at all shocked if he won the starting job and took SF to the playoffs this season.

maybe you've never seen him play?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense. I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

So, you think the current system and coaching staff in Carolina is better for a QB then the one in Cleveland?Steve Smith is only 1 player. That matters a whole lot less in the NFL then it does in your fantasy leagues...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.

I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense.

I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? I'm saying Cleveland is better at QB than they were last year. Players can benefit from a change in scenery even at 35 years of age, look at Kurt Warner to Arizona and Brett Farve to Minnesota. Delhomme isn't in their class but your statement of not being convinced because of the age of the person is unfounded. Delhomme may not benefit from the change of scenery but there are QB's that have been older than him that have done just fine doing the same thing.

I'm disagreeing with the first bolded.I'm agreeing with the second bolded.

Thankyou for letting us know where you stand... twice

 

[Sweetness_34]

It seems like Holmgren is setting Mangini up to fail so he can get his coach after next year. No QB, no WRs, no TE, no RB ....how will they score any points?

I looked back at their first round draft history and I was amazed to see the futility despite all those top 10 picks:

1999 1 Tim Couch * QB Kentucky - Out of the league

2000 1 Courtney Brown * DE Penn State Out of the league

2001 3 Gerard Warren DT Florida - Waived again

2002 16 William Green RB Boston College [23] - Out of the league

2003 21 Jeff Faine C Notre Dame - Now with Tampa after being with Saints

2004 6 Kellen Winslow II TE Miami (Florida) [24] - traded for a 2

2005 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan - traded for a 3rd and 5th

2006 13 Kamerion Wimbley LB Florida State [25] - traded

2007 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin [26] - great pick

22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame [27] - traded

2008 — — No Pick — — [27] - traded for Quinn

2009 21 — Alex Mack C California [28] - Starter

Wow....

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

It seems like Holmgren is setting Mangini up to fail so he can get his coach after next year. No QB, no WRs, no TE, no RB ....how will they score any points?

He has upgraded every position you named but WR so far. The draft is still left as well. Delhomme, Watson, Harrison/Hillis sounds a lot better than Quinn, Royal, and Lewis.

 

[BoltBacker]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.

I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense.

I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

So what exactly are you disagreeing with? I'm saying Cleveland is better at QB than they were last year. Players can benefit from a change in scenery even at 35 years of age, look at Kurt Warner to Arizona and Brett Farve to Minnesota. Delhomme isn't in their class but your statement of not being convinced because of the age of the person is unfounded. Delhomme may not benefit from the change of scenery but there are QB's that have been older than him that have done just fine doing the same thing.

I'm disagreeing with the first bolded.I'm agreeing with the second bolded.

Thankyou for letting us know where you stand... twice

He asked "So what exactly are you disagreeing with?". I answered him.

 

[BoltBacker]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense. I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

So, you think the current system and coaching staff in Carolina is better for a QB then the one in Cleveland?Steve Smith is only 1 player. That matters a whole lot less in the NFL then it does in your fantasy leagues...

... and you think the running game in CLE is comparable to the running game in CAR? If you think the only difference between the CLE offense and the CAR offense is 1 player we'll just have to agree to disagree.To answer your question I'm not sure whether the CAR or CLE QB coaching staff is better since neither has been successful in the past few years. But let's assume the CLE coaching staff is much, much better than the coaching staff in CAR.... Jake is 35yo, how many years until we expect him to get 'coached up'?

 

[BoltBacker]

I think Jake Delhomme is definately an upgrade at QB for the next year or two over Quinn and Anderson. We may laugh at Delhomme but I've always been reasonably impressed with Delhomme's competitiveness.

I think the change of scenery will help Delhomme.

Couldn't disagree more.He goes from throwing to Steve Smith to throwing to.....? Defenses geared entirely to stop D.Williams and J.Steward are now going to be able to focus more on stopping the pass. His HC was firmly behind him for a long, long time in CAR even while Delhomme was imploding in a much, much better situation. Jake has thrown 42 INT's in his last 43 starts with a lot less pressure than he'll have in CLE to create his own offense.

I think players can benefit from a fresh start but I'm not nearly as convinced 35yo players benefit nearly as much.

The Browns' Oline isn't too bad actually - In fact, they really weren't too far off from Carolina's last year:

I agree. I think CAR runners/receivers >>> CLE runners/receivers. Maybe I'm alone in that. I don't think there's nearly as big a disparity in OL.

 

[Steelfan7]

It seems like Holmgren is setting Mangini up to fail so he can get his coach after next year. No QB, no WRs, no TE, no RB ....how will they score any points?

He has upgraded every position you named but WR so far. The draft is still left as well. Delhomme, Watson, Harrison/Hillis sounds a lot better than Quinn, Royal, and Lewis.

Wow with upgrades like that you can go ahead and purchase your Superbowl tickets in advance.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

It seems like Holmgren is setting Mangini up to fail so he can get his coach after next year. No QB, no WRs, no TE, no RB ....how will they score any points?

He has upgraded every position you named but WR so far. The draft is still left as well. Delhomme, Watson, Harrison/Hillis sounds a lot better than Quinn, Royal, and Lewis.

Wow with upgrades like that you can go ahead and purchase your Superbowl tickets in advance.

Yes, because that was exactly my point. It wasn't that he is slowly making the team better and perhaps isn't finished and that the setting up Mangini to fail statement is ignorant nonsense.

 

[Steelfan7]

It seems like Holmgren is setting Mangini up to fail so he can get his coach after next year. No QB, no WRs, no TE, no RB ....how will they score any points?

He has upgraded every position you named but WR so far. The draft is still left as well. Delhomme, Watson, Harrison/Hillis sounds a lot better than Quinn, Royal, and Lewis.

Wow with upgrades like that you can go ahead and purchase your Superbowl tickets in advance.

Yes, because that was exactly my point. It wasn't that he is slowly making the team better and perhaps isn't finished and that the setting up Mangini to fail statement is ignorant nonsense.

Mangini is gone and he knows it. Lerner just did not want to spend the money necessary on a guy like Gruden when a lockout is just about guaranteed in 2011. Gruden has a one yr can't coach clause in his tv contract as well. Gruden will be the next coach for the Browns. FYI Holmgren has not upgraded much, more like rearranging seats on the Titanic. They do have a lot of picks and will be interesting how they use them to maneuver there way up the draft. I'm sure some picks will also be swapped for picks in next years draft.